Superchargers

[bigsky2]

Let's talk superchargers.

So far I know of the following manufacturers/companies that have installed a supercharger on the Yaris hatchback:

- Power Enterprises (this was featured in the TEIN Yaris at SEMA 2006 .. is this a direct bolt on?)
- Blitz (xB retro-fit as per Teruyume)
- Blitz (direct bolt on in the making?)
- TRD (Toyota being very hush hush as usual, this has to be direct bolt on)
- Others?

Are there any other companies that are developing a Direct Bolt-On supercharger for the Yaris hatchback?

Teruyume - how was the install of the xB supercharger on the Yaris? What sort of modifications were required?

[hasher22]

I emailed some companies about superchargers for the 06+ yaris but they didnt get back to me and i cant find their webpages :(

[mikeukrainetz]

same, anyone I emailed about more information didnt reply. Way to sell a 4k add on....

[03Z33]

You can add to the list:

Greddy supercharger (Xa/Xb)
Greddy turbo (Xa/Xb)
ZPI turbo (Xa/Xb)
Turbo Toyotas turbo (Xb)
OEM Toyota turbo 1NZFE (non-North American Market)

Most likely many of the above kits (including the ones you mention) will physically fit the Yaris, but will require some modifications and different software/tuning.

[ChinoCharles]

I'm waiting patiently to see what the TRD s/c offers. I mean, it would be under warranty man... makes me horny just thinking about it.

Off to that "nice ass" thread... :wub:

[Nutzoids]

Don't know about Superchargers... But I know EPS has a turbo for the xA that should be able to be retro fitted.

http://www.epsturbos.com/Turbo-Kits+Toyota+Scion.product

I want a turbo or supercharger so bad for this Yaris it's ridiculous... By-the-way... got off the phone with the dealership today... My car is in and I'm going to pick it up on Saturday! FUCK YEAH!

:evil:

[spkrman]

after warranty is up... its definitely turbo time :)

[Teruyume]

Blitz S/C for 06+Yaris is out. 2006 March 30

[cdydjded]

I went to SEMA & spoke both with Blitz & the owner of the Tein Yaris. Their kits bolt right up. Only 2 mods are needed. 1) The XB has a 3 bolt throttle body & our cars have a 4 bolt throttle body. An aluminum flange will need to be fabricated to be able to bolt our TB to the inlet pipe. 2) There is some extra hardware need for the belt tensioner. THe owner of the Tein car told me it was obvious what you needed when you bolt it up. He also recomended the CamCom for fuel/ignition control.

[mikeukrainetz]

Im assuming with either system that the engine management software works for both the Xb and Yaris?
Does anyone suppose by next summer there will be enough developed for the Yaris to bring the pricing into the 2K range?

[bigsky2]

Im assuming with either system that the engine management software works for both the Xb and Yaris?
Does anyone suppose by next summer there will be enough developed for the Yaris to bring the pricing into the 2K range?

RE: Price
Hard to say mike..

Blitz is asking approximately $4200 CAD funds, which I assume is the suggested retail price.

The $2000 range would be an excellent price point, but again I'm not sure if it would reach that low as the "mod" community hasn't fully embraced the Yaris like other vehicles (e.g. Honda Fit).

[mikeukrainetz]

The odd thing is its cheap to retro fit an existing supercharger system but its the management system is the biggest problem (in my opinion). A pulley driven charger is a simple setup with only minor custom tubing (slightly more complicated with an intercooler) and brackets. Do any of those aftermarket products like AFC or greddy emanage support the Xb / Yaris platform? or can the system be adjusted via laptop?

[Katana]

A friend of mine has installed the 1NZ-FE supercharger kit on his Yaris TS.

It is not bad, but in my opinion it doesn't worth the money!

[bigsky2]

Agreed.

Like someone said earlier, $4000 dollars for a supercharger which gives you about 40-45hp gain is not that attractive in terms of $ per hp.

But I would like to drop a supercharger in place to experience that extra power in a small compact car like the Yaris :cool:

[Nutzoids]

Agreed.

Like someone said earlier, $4000 dollars for a supercharger which gives you about 40-45hp gain is not that attractive in terms of $ per hp.

But I would like to drop a supercharger in place to experience that extra power in a small compact car like the Yaris :cool:

Going from 106hp to 151hp in a car that weighs about a ton... That’s a huge gain! Now in a 3 ton truck... 40-45hp is nothing!

:evil:

[spkrman]

uh, thats almost 50% more power.... lol

Thats like going from 200 to 300hp, or 400 to 600... a big @$$ jump@

I'm sure yet more power can be had with a motor built for it, and more boost.

IMO, turbo.

[mikeukrainetz]

torque or HP? even in a small car like the Yaris it wont mean much if there isnt much extra torque. what are some of the 'actual' numbers? Those of you who already have these kits bolted on should post up some info.

[bigsky2]

That's what I was alluding to; the fact that a 40-50hp increase on the Yaris would be quite significant considering its bhp, and the light weight of the vehicle.

mike makes a good point, we need some torque numbers because that's what ultimately makes the car and driver feel like it's launching into warp drive when you hit the gas.

[heeroyuy01195]

Question still stands, will the electronics from any of the forced induction kits work on our Yaris's? I would imagine that they would work considering it is the same motor but there are still possibilities of a change in the electronics. Anyone retrofit the Greddy Xb turbo kit to a Yaris hb?

[bigsky2]

Question still stands, will the electronics from any of the forced induction kits work on our Yaris's? I would imagine that they would work considering it is the same motor but there are still possibilities of a change in the electronics. Anyone retrofit the Greddy Xb turbo kit to a Yaris hb?

Greddy I am not sure, but I know that Teruyume on the boards here has retrofitted the Blitz xB supercharger kit.

I've not yet heard of a turbo installed on a Yaris yet. Probably lots in Japan :iono:

[Ran Kizama]

While I would love to go boosted, I'm not sure if it would be a good idea seeing as how our engines come with a 10.5 compression. I'm not sure of the bore or stroke, but going boosted only seems like a quick way to kill the engine. Also considering that our stock ECU is tuned to where the Yaris can run this high compression on swamp-gas (87 octane), I think that with a proper ECU flash and fuel tuning, we could see substantial gains in the N/A department.

Free up the intake (ITB's FTW!) and exhaust system, then look into valve springs, maybe a custom billet cam, a reworked head and maybe a thinker metal headgasket, then get a stand alone engine management system from Haltech or AEM and you could probably see around 140-150WHP on an N/A powerplant. The hardest part would be the wiring, but any shop around you could do it. Also, with the stand alone system, you could program where your HP gains would be, the relation of throttle response and, with the reworked valve springs, even raise the redline depending on the strength of the internals.

Doing this would, of course, lower the engine life, but not as much as an S/C or Turbo. Just a second opinion for those would want it. Feel free to discuss. :smile:

[DTM_Yaris]

While I would love to go boosted, I'm not sure if it would be a good idea seeing as how our engines come with a 10.5 compression. I'm not sure of the bore or stroke, but going boosted only seems like a quick way to kill the engine. Also considering that our stock ECU is tuned to where the Yaris can run this high compression on swamp-gas (87 octane), I think that with a proper ECU flash and fuel tuning, we could see substantial gains in the N/A department.

Free up the intake (ITB's FTW!) and exhaust system, then look into valve springs, maybe a custom billet cam, a reworked head and maybe a thinker metal headgasket, then get a stand alone engine management system from Haltech or AEM and you could probably see around 140-150WHP on an N/A powerplant. The hardest part would be the wiring, but any shop around you could do it. Also, with the stand alone system, you could program where your HP gains would be, the relation of throttle response and, with the reworked valve springs, even raise the redline depending on the strength of the internals.

Doing this would, of course, lower the engine life, but not as much as an S/C or Turbo. Just a second opinion for those would want it. Feel free to discuss. :smile:

I just bought my PW Yaris this week. It will be completely apart in the comming weeks. As this car is specifically going to be used on the track.
I would be more than happy to help unravel what this little car can really do.
My only conccern is that I am not a big fan of piggyback controllers. I was curious to see if anyone like Techtom has a flash program available or maybe even freeware obdII reflashing interface.
Head work is key to our project. I'll update with pics.
Reducing the life of the engine? For sure on the stock platform. But there are plenty of ways to extend life even with a bit more horsepower. The goal is to be at 200 WHP by the spring.
I'll keep you guys updated.

[Ran Kizama]

Nice! I look forward to the info. Any pics or details on the stock internals would be greatly appreciated!

Also, for a stand alone system, check out the Haltech E6X. They're popular with a lot of budget tuners and can be found for cheap on E-Bay if you're really pinching your pennies.

http://www.haltech.com/e6x.htm

[03Z33]

Sounds great, we look forward to seeing what you can do. And Ran, I you want to know what our stock rods look like, just look at your pinky finger :laugh:

[Ran Kizama]

Sounds great, we look forward to seeing what you can do. And Ran, I you want to know what our stock rods look like, just look at your pinky finger :laugh:That's better than what my SE-R Spec V had. :laugh:

[punch]

Guys, why spend the money, save it and buy the t-sport (140hp) late 2007, and mod from that platform?

[acrbill]

Guys, why spend the money, save it and buy the t-sport (140hp) late 2007, and mod from that platform?

Gotta work with what you have already.

If you are looking for something fast I think you bought the wrong car.

Superchargers are not going to make any 4cyl car into a rocket ship. The best you can hope for is getting a properly sized s/c so that you can put a smaller pulley on it and get more boost.

Straight line speed by itself is not all its cracked up to be. Punch and I both had turbo 4cyls with close to 300 HP. Spinning the tires halfway through 3rd is fun the first 5 times you do it.

Having a car that handles well is immensely more fun IMO.

[DTM_Yaris]

Nice! I look forward to the info. Any pics or details on the stock internals would be greatly appreciated!

Also, for a stand alone system, check out the Haltech E6X. They're popular with a lot of budget tuners and can be found for cheap on E-Bay if you're really pinching your pennies.

http://www.haltech.com/e6x.htm
I've used them in the past. Very adaptable.
I will most likely use a different approach. I don't want to get into it yet but I promise to give you guys a heads up shortly.:biggrin:

[DTM_Yaris]

Guys, why spend the money, save it and buy the t-sport (140hp) late 2007, and mod from that platform?
The price of the vehicle won't be worth it for me in the long run. I bought an absolute base model specifically for the track. Very light weight plenty of time to fab parts.

What are the specs on that car anyway?
Whats the increase in power comming from?
And is it the same base engine?

[DTM_Yaris]

Gotta work with what you have already.

If you are looking for something fast I think you bought the wrong car.

Superchargers are not going to make any 4cyl car into a rocket ship. The best you can hope for is getting a properly sized s/c so that you can put a smaller pulley on it and get more boost.

Straight line speed by itself is not all its cracked up to be. Punch and I both had turbo 4cyls with close to 300 HP. Spinning the tires halfway through 3rd is fun the first 5 times you do it.

Having a car that handles well is immensely more fun IMO.
Agreed, It will be a fun track car with plenty of power at 200 WHP. That is all this car needs. With the proper management and 8 psi from forced induction it will do the job just fine.
I too have had turbo 4cyl my entire life, they are funner to drive than bulky V8's.
Man how quick those days have gone. I built my first one in 1991! LOL:biggrin:

[dngz]

yea, weight reduction, chassis reinforcements, sway bars, suspension and naturally aspirated mods are the way to go!

[Ran Kizama]

I'm wondering if I can't take the individual throttle bodies off an MR-2 or AE86 and put them on the Yaris with a custom bracket and throttle cable. :confused:

Drive-by-wire sucks.

[acrbill]

I'm wondering if I can't take the individual throttle bodies off an MR-2 or AE86 and put them on the Yaris with a custom bracket and throttle cable. :confused:

Drive-by-wire sucks.

Physically adapting ITB's wouldn't be insanely difficult, but making them work would be.

N/A mods will leave you broke and underwhelmed. With the amount of money it would take to get the car into the 16s you could buy another car that has potential to go fast.

[acrbill]

I'm wondering if I can't take the individual throttle bodies off an MR-2 or AE86 and put them on the Yaris with a custom bracket and throttle cable. :confused:

Drive-by-wire sucks.

Drive by wire sucks when it seems like it is not listening to 100% of your commands or if it is delayed. The truth is that drive by wire has the potential to snap open the throttle faster than it would if it was cable driven.

Its one of those things that could probably be flashed into the ecu.

[03Z33]

Fitting ITB's won't be a problem, Dan actually sells a premade "kit" for this:

http://www.danstoy.net/images/scion-xa-engine-small.gif

www.danstoy.net

You can either remap the ECU to accept the mechanical throttle and TPS signals or you can swap ECU's to a standalone (TEC3 on the scion above) or run the OEM Toyota AE101 or AE111 ECU's.

Keep in mind all of this won't do much for power, believe the red Scion only makes ~130 crank HP, but they did this more for the looks, sound and they are now planning to turbo the car.

If your plan is to go N/A on this engine, the easiest way to do this is to pick up a spare junk motor for under $500, then experiment with cams, and valvetrain, since that is where the biggest restriction is. You can then bump up compression and with beefier rods/bearings/pistons raise rev limiter and making some more top end. I would budget somewhere in the range of $4-$7K for the engine alone.

[Doc Zaius]

some guy on another board tried to get a lot more horsepower out of his xB, but kept it NA. its a long thread: +24hp NA (http://www.scionlife.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=67782&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0&sid=36608a843223e901244a17192eb693a4)

[acrbill]

Fitting ITB's won't be a problem, Dan actually sells a premade "kit" for this:

http://www.danstoy.net/images/scion-xa-engine-small.gif

www.danstoy.net

You can either remap the ECU to accept the mechanical throttle and TPS signals or you can swap ECU's to a standalone (TEC3 on the scion above) or run the OEM Toyota AE101 or AE111 ECU's.

Keep in mind all of this won't do much for power, believe the red Scion only makes ~130 crank HP, but they did this more for the looks, sound and they are now planning to turbo the car.

If your plan is to go N/A on this engine, the easiest way to do this is to pick up a spare junk motor for under $500, then experiment with cams, and valvetrain, since that is where the biggest restriction is. You can then bump up compression and with beefier rods/bearings/pistons raise rev limiter and making some more top end. I would budget somewhere in the range of $4-$7K for the engine alone.

remap the ecu? How in the world are you getting around the fact that you are tossing the MAF sensor out?

[03Z33]

remap the ecu? How in the world are you getting around the fact that you are tossing the MAF sensor out?

Many modern computers can operate on as few as 2 of the 5 inputs they originaly contain. Using techtom software, several tuners can "teach" the stock computer to recognize MAP sensor voltage readings instead of MAF readings. It's a simple 0-5 volt sensor and as long as the maps are correct, the effect is the same.

I'm not saying this is the optimal setup, and most times, if you're going to the trouble of all these mods, You'll likely run an aftermarket EMS setup, but it is possible and people do run their cars like this.

[acrbill]

Many modern computers can operate on as few as 2 of the 5 inputs they originaly contain. Using techtom software, several tuners can "teach" the stock computer to recognize MAP sensor voltage readings instead of MAF readings. It's a simple 0-5 volt sensor and as long as the maps are correct, the effect is the same.

I'm not saying this is the optimal setup, and most times, if you're going to the trouble of all these mods, You'll likely run an aftermarket EMS setup, but it is possible and people do run their cars like this.

How in the world is a map sensor going to work well with no intake plenum.
I know that electromotive used to make a complete aftermarket ITB and ecu setup for the Dodge Neon.

After reading that above listed link I don't think anyone is going to want to drop any money on n/a mods.

The question of the hour should be what motor can be swapped into the chassis. Hopefully some company comes up with swap mounts for the Celica motor.

[DTM_Yaris]

How in the world is a map sensor going to work well with no intake plenum.
I know that electromotive used to make a complete aftermarket ITB and ecu setup for the Dodge Neon.

After reading that above listed link I don't think anyone is going to want to drop any money on n/a mods.

The question of the hour should be what motor can be swapped into the chassis. Hopefully some company comes up with swap mounts for the Celica motor.
As long as there is a vaccum reference it will work just fine. In the old days we ran alpha n which in iself is the most primative way to control efi.
Let me add that forced induction is the best way to make some ponies and still maintain great driveability

[graywolf_14]

Ok that write up on that other site was kind of disapointing. He spend over 1k on just the work on his head and didnt get junk. Plus it seems like the money spent on these motors arnt really worth it.

[spkrman]

looks awesome, whether or not it does anything :)

the lexus they have on there... now thats a show car!

[graywolf_14]

Yeah it seems that tc or sc is the only way to get hp out of them but with a sc u loose ur mpg.

[Black Yaris]

look what I found a pic of
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/jthomas43613/Blitz.jpg

[graywolf_14]

I think unless they can get around the icu we will be limited in what we can get out of these motors.

[punch]

look what I found a pic of
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/jthomas43613/Blitz.jpg

umm a member of this site has a scion supercharger already installed, and i believe acting up!

[Black Yaris]

well this is the one built for the Vitz