2011 Yaris Hybrid?

[jjonrofl]

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/yarishybrid/2011/featuresandspecs.html

I discovered this when doing an internet search for 2011 Yaris. I wonder if this is at all legitimate...

[Yaris Hilton]

The engine horsepower, torque and RPM figures aren't quite right, so I don't know what else may be out of line. But it's an interesting idea.

[CTScott]

I'm betting no, based on this:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=471831&postcount=7

[jjonrofl]

I'm betting no, based on this:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=471831&postcount=7

huh. well it was worth a gander I guess. I'm in no way benefiting from the hybrid coming out, it just seems like a step in a good direction from Toyota.

[CTScott]

huh. well it was worth a gander I guess. I'm in no way benefiting from the hybrid coming out, it just seems like a step in a good direction from Toyota.

It would be kind of cool. Although, I personally would rather have the D4D Diesel Yaris be available here, than have the added complexity and weight associated with a hybrid.

[bkrownd]

Hybrid, meh. I want real locked 4WD with high/low ranges and manual shift transfer case. :D

[bronsin]

Hybrids are losers, at least at forseeable gas prices. You spend four or five times the money you save in gas costs for the initial purchase. Gas would have to be $10 a gallon +.

[Yaris Hilton]

I would rather have the diesel, too. But I'd rather have it without stuff like urea injection, catalysts and particle filters.

[bronsin]

My diesel was cool when the fuel was less than gas. The extra cost of the diesel option has a similiar effect as the hybrid option. When you do a bottom line analysis
the Yaris 1.5 is pretty hard to beat.

[Yaris Hilton]

Very true, and I'm happy with it. Don't want any part of a hybrid.

[STC]

When I bought my 2010 Yaris during Christmas... I asked the dealer if there was going to be any changes in the Yaris for the upcoming 2011 model?

He said there is going to be no change from the 2010 cars...

[green-phoenix]

fwiw, I found this earlier on the hybrid: Toyota Might Not Make a Yaris-Based Hybrid After All... For Now (http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/07/toyota-yaris-based-hybrid-not-yet-autocar.php) with this speculation:

"Maybe Not a Yaris Hybrid, But Something Very Similar Instead...
The story from Asahi/Reuters mentioned that the Yaris-based hybrid would use the "platform and engine" of the Yaris, but it didn't say specifically that it would be a Yaris per se. Now that automakers know that dedicated hybrids sell better than hybrid versions of regular cars (Civic hybrid vs. Prius), it wouldn't be surprising if when Toyota decides to make a hybrid Yaris it changed the appearance of the vehicle and branded it as a different model."

So as usual it's just a wait game for a real announcement from Toyota. Personally I like the idea. We do to much highway commuting to make an expensive hybrid worth it, but a little one based on the Yaris would be cool and affordable.

[Twistoffate0817]

I really hope Toyota takes the first step in trying to develop a small hybrid vehicle like the Yaris. I understand the hybrid equipment is heavy, but I am sure they can figure out a way to make it get better MPG then what th current gas Yaris gets now. I would surely check out a Yaris hybrid.

[Stove]

Hybrids are losers, at least at forseeable gas prices. You spend four or five times the money you save in gas costs for the initial purchase. Gas would have to be $10 a gallon +.

Rant starts here::biggrin:

Basing your decision about whether or not buying a Hybrid is the right thing to do by gas prices today is like saying, "I don't have cancer yet, so why quit smoking?". Don't buy into the propaganda from the gas companies and car companies that don't make hybrids.

Buying a Hybrid isn't about saving money or doing the most cost effective thing. It's about using less fuel and producing less emissions. It's about being 'Green'. In the case of the US, it's also about reducing our dependency on foreign oil (or being hip and impressing the neighbors). Being 'Green' is more expensive and it takes more work. If Green technology was the cheapest, most cost effective and easiest solution the US would be the Greenest place on earth. We don't want to work for anything.

End Rant, the soap box is available.

[bronsin]

Yeah you can look at it that way. I would LOVE an electric vehicle! Wouldnt even have to have an engine like a Prius. But Im not paying $35,000 for it. I simply cant afford $30,000 for a Prius either. Our country and the people running it are seriously deluded. They think theres enough money to do all kinds of things that "ought to" be done. But in reality we cant afford the wars we're fighting and/or Obama care. When we run into that invisible wall we're racing toward, I dont want to be aboard.

Over to you!

[bst82551]

Why would they make a Yaris hybrid? They already have two versions of the prius (a four door hatchback and a four door sedan). That seems silly.

+1 on the diesel. I would LOVE to have a Yaris diesel engine with comparable (or better) mpg, more torque, and possibly more horsepower (if they can make that combination work). A diesel-powered vehicle is a lot more affordable than a hybrid if you ask me and they offer comparable mpg levels, so most of the argument for keeping hybrids around disappear.

-Brian

[Stove]

But in reality we cant afford the wars we're fighting and/or Obama care. When we run into that invisible wall we're racing toward, I dont want to be aboard.

Over to you!

I'm not sure how you found whether or not hybrids are worth the money was a political topic... The price of a Hybrid Car has nothing to do with Obama Care, The Star Wars Satellite Missile Defense System, the price of tea in China or anything in between.
To be honest, I could afford a hybrid, I just don't want to... yet. Yaris fit most of what I needed at a price I was happy with. Didn't matter who is in the White House.

As for Hybrids being "losers", I still say no. Are they cost effective compared to fuel costs? No, but that doesn't make them losers. The cost of a vehicle is just one part of it. Is a Dodge Viper cost effective? A GMC 3500 truck? Speed costs extra, the ability to haul a ton of crap costs extra, so why would one expect a car that has ultra low emissions to be a cost effective solution?
If your only looking cost to the mile, almost every car (including the Yaris) is a loser compared to a Hyundai. Yet we all bought a Yaris. While a Yaris is pretty damn cost effective, you give up quite a few things with it. Comfort, space, power, etc. Try getting 2 to 3 weeks worth of groceries, a 12 pack of paper towels and a Costco 36 pack of TP in a Yaris with 2 adults and 2 kids in the car for starters... or even with just 2 adults:eek:. The Yari stays home on shopping days, for family road trips and when we go out with friends. That aside, if Toyota releases a hybrid Yaris, I'll consider buying one after I've run the life out of my current Yaris... depending on the price:wink:.

[Yaris Hilton]

I'm not sure hybrids are "green," considering the production and disposal of those batteries containing toxic stuff like nickel, and the magnets in their motors rely on rare earth elements that come from pretty much a single source in China where their mining produces a lot of environmental disturbance and toxic effluents. If you want a hybrid, fine. But I'm not impressed by "green" sanctitude.

[advocate]

If they make a hybrid they better not base it off the Yaris platform

I don't want to see a yaris community divided among a bunch of different models.

I think it's cool that we have a polarity between the sedan and the liftback but I think that's enough differentiation as far as I'm concerned.

[Hershey]

they'll need a less expensive hybrid to compete with FOCUS hybrid and other hybrid models on the horizon . Whatever happened to the proposed stripped PRIUS that was to be less than $20 thou ? We would jump on a reasonably priced hybrid small pickup such as the TACOMA with the 1.8 ltr. or 2.4 for hauling , etc.. Liked the old CHEVY LUV , ISUZU Pup ( LUV ) , VOLKSWAGEN , MAZDA B2000 , etc..

[birdman]

I don't think the non US D4D requires urea. The diesel Mahindra truck that has been trying to make it's US debut has the urea setup. Perhaps our diesel is formulated differently and requires the urea and particle filter. I think the oil companies have control over who gets what formulation.

[Yaris Hilton]

Diesel fuel's pretty much Diesel fuel, except that the U.S. now requires a very low sulfur level. Urea injection is one way of reducing nitrogen oxides in the exhaust system. Another way is to inject extra fuel into the exhaust ahead of a catalyst, the way Volkswagen does. Other ways to control it in the engine are the use of exhaust gas recirculation and modifying injection timing, both of which can reduce fuel efficiency a lot, and obviously injecting extra fuel does. Urea injection sounds like a good solution in a lot of ways, but it requires recharging the reservoir at regular service intervals with another consumable, and vehicles intended to use it are often rigged so they won't start when the urea's run out (after a short grace period to let you get to the shop.) Particle filters require cleaning out periodically, just like air filters have to be cleaned. Neither one's really a showstopper, but I hate to see added layers of complexity. And most oil change places don't carry the urea fluid or know what to do with it, or know how to clean out Diesel particle filters, so they put you back into going to the dealer for routine service, which I hate to do.

[JetfireK]

http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/yarishybrid/2011/featuresandspecs.html

I discovered this when doing an internet search for 2011 Yaris. I wonder if this is at all legitimate...
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Toyota/Lexus has announced the LFA will be introduced Dec 2010, It starts at 475,000 without all the options therefore if the Yaris Hybrid is legit there would be no reason not to disclose this. Why also would they have a Hybrid Yaris since it would challenge the Prius? Thanks for posting..,

[Stove]

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Toyota/Lexus has announced the LFA will be introduced Dec 2010, It starts at 475,000 without all the options therefore if the Yaris Hybrid is legit there would be no reason not to disclose this. Why also would they have a Hybrid Yaris since it would challenge the Prius? Thanks for posting..,

I expect at some point Toyota will offer a hybrid other than the Prius. The Yaris may or may not be it, but don't dismiss the possibility simply because the Yaris (or Scion?) might challenge the Prius. People buy certain models of cars for a lot of different reasons. Scion v. Yaris....

[OTA'sTOY]

I expect at some point Toyota will offer a hybrid other than the Prius. The Yaris may or may not be it, but don't dismiss the possibility simply because the Yaris (or Scion?) might challenge the Prius. People buy certain models of cars for a lot of different reasons. Scion v. Yaris....


fyi they offer hybrid camrys and highlanders

not a fan of hybrids especially if you expect to keep it for more than the 3/36k
in the long run you'll spend jus as much maintaining a hybrid compare to a gas
after manufac warranty run out or failure to read and follow the owners manual
you'll shell out upto almost 3bills for the aux battery an upto 8g for the HV battery
hybrids as great cars only in the hands of knoledgable owners

[RacerFreakXXX]

Hybrids are great for gas guzzlers, but why would they make the Yaris a hybrid, for an extra 5-10mpg better... it's a waste. Tons of people were pissed when the Yaris came out for half the price of the Prius (so most of the sales and techs say at my job) and got almost the same amount of gas mileage.

[Yaris Hilton]

I think that's why they didn't give us the diesel option.

[why?]

they'd make the Yaris a hybrid because the mileage would be even better than the prius. And more importantly, they would price it around $10,000 less than the prius.

[RacerFreakXXX]

they'd make the Yaris a hybrid because the mileage would be even better than the prius. And more importantly, they would price it around $10,000 less than the prius.

how would the mileage be better? The prius has the same engine as the yaris, yes the yaris is lighter, but not with another battery in it. There is just a certain point where smaller and cheaper is not better, but just crap. If you really need better gas mileage go buy a 250cc bike or a ruckus. even better, buy a go-kart and fab some panels over a frame and add some plexiglass.

[tk-421]

I'm not sure hybrids are "green," considering the production and disposal of those batteries containing toxic stuff like nickel, and the magnets in their motors rely on rare earth elements that come from pretty much a single source in China where their mining produces a lot of environmental disturbance and toxic effluents.

Well said :clap:

Not to mention the fact that the parts to make hybrid cars are shipped from around the globe to very few hybrid car factories, adding to the emissions problem.

If you really want to be "green", stop buying more cars and take good care of the one you have, which happens to be one of the most fuel efficient cars ever made. :wink:

[STC]

If you really want to be "green", stop buying more cars and take good care of the one you have, which happens to be one of the most fuel efficient cars ever made. :wink:

Exactly! Health is wealth. :smile:

With the recent oil tragety and all the blame on BP and the evils of oil corporations... when you really think of it, we are the only ones to blame! Our dependency on oil is the problem, yet we say "green". What a hypocrisy! We take the easy way... the convenient way... the personal vehicle way. Buy, buy, and buy more! Take the "green" way... Demand public transporatation and most of all use it... :smile:

Just an observation...

Cheers!

[RacerFreakXXX]

IMO if everyone owned a car that got 25mpg city and 30-35 mpgh we would be fine. It's these people who drive trucks and SUV's who go offroading once a year or they want to look cool. I think they should tax people based on where they live for the vehicle they are driving. like if you live in a city, you pay tax on a truck or suv or anything under a certian gas mileage.

[brg88tx]

IMO if everyone owned a car that got 25mpg city and 30-35 mpgh we would be fine. It's these people who drive trucks and SUV's who go offroading once a year or they want to look cool. I think they should tax people based on where they live for the vehicle they are driving. like if you live in a city, you pay tax on a truck or suv or anything under a certian gas mileage.

i think it's enough that those people pay about $1000 more per year in gas. we don't need to go all communist on them.

[Zaphod]

i think it's enough that those people pay about $1000 more per year in gas. we don't need to go all communist on them.

Considering how much of an impact imported oil has had on our deficit recently, it's really only a matter of time before we see a significant tax increase to offset that and encourage more efficient use of the resource.

Right now everyone's treating the US economy with kid gloves, but when the global market turns around you'll see a much different story.

So what I'm saying is you're right, economic factors will drive people to change soon enough.

[STC]

^ Yes! Economics 101... :wink:

It will happen. Unfortunately, politicians don't understand this!

"The first lesson of economics is scarcity: There is never enough of anything to satisfy all those who want it. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics." -- Thomas Sowell

Aint that the truth...

Cheers!

[bronsin]

Exactly! Health is wealth. :smile:

With the recent oil tragety and all the blame on BP and the evils of oil corporations... when you really think of it, we are the only ones to blame! Our dependency on oil is the problem, yet we say "green". What a hypocrisy! We take the easy way... the convenient way... the personal vehicle way. Buy, buy, and buy more! Take the "green" way... Demand public transporatation and most of all use it... :smile:

Just an observation...

Cheers!

I imagine when the mass of people finally "get it" there'll be gillotines set up and long lines of gas guzzeling car owners will be forced to have their heads chopped off. They could have bought a Yaris but NOOOOOO.....!

[RacerFreakXXX]

Well from what I've understood from selling cars, most people like suv's because they think they are safer. From what I understand, all cars are safe to a point. Also if everyone has a suv and you want to be the bigger car, well you just aren't anymore unless you drive a bus. Before you know it we are all driving tanks and just ramming into each other. You have got to love America's "bigger is better" theory. Now there are people who need trucks and suv's because there are barely any paved roads where they live, and that's the purpose. Maybe dealerships shouldn't sell suv's and trucks in such big amounts, maybe there should be a limit of how many can be sold. Even better make tax on these cars a high percentage unless you have a government approval. Who knows but I know there are a lot of people out there who are starting to realize bigger is not always better.