Ford Fiesta: 40 mpg Hwy

[bronsin]

The NY times is claiming that the new Ford Fiesta gets 40 mpg highway and 29 mpg city. Car starts @ $14k.

[127.0.0.1]

Only when the power shift transmission hits the sweet spot on the highway

manual tranny gets 37 mpg highway

both get 29 mpg city.

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essentially, not a Yaris killer by any means. but they will sell a lot of Fords.

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pricing starts at $13,995. but that will NOT get you the high mileage version.

Only the super zoot version gets the good MPG, and that is the higher price fiesta, not the 14,000 one,.



also..reliability...remember who's boss. [but if you do have to go US, Ford is the most reliable of the rest]


not too shabby specs. sulev and pzev
electric driven AC and sulev is where the MPG comes from, plus the overdrive+ of the auto tranny
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2011_Fiesta_Specs.pdf

[bronsin]

Its got a 1.6 liter engine. Hard to understand how it can rival the Yaris which has a 1.5 liter engine.

[127.0.0.1]

Its got a 1.6 liter engine. Hard to understand how it can rival the Yaris which has a 1.5 liter engine.

these 4 things a Yaris doesn't have

sulev/pzev
electric a/c
higher geared overdrive
Ti-VCT variable cam timing vs Yaris VVT-i which is variable valve timing.
(this is Fords version of VVT-i and means more fine tuning unobtainable with VVT-i
2 fully independent variable camshafts. can't do that in the Toyota. both
cams are in sync)


how is that hard to understand ?



also...

do not crap yourself when GM releases new cars with 45 mpg non-hybrid. the MPG ratings
of old are coming back, due to advances in catalyst technology GM just revealed. no longer will there be a need
to have as much unspent fuel fire the cat. they can now seriously reduce unburnt fuel and
keep emissions down. with current cat technology, you must have some unburnt fuel get wasted
to burn up in the cat or non-co2 (the toxic ones) emissions go through the roof. GM has new material that
cuts the need for unspent fuel way back, allowing more finite tuning of the cam and combustion process.

[bronsin]

All this stuff will mean little unless the car weights something like 2000 pounds.

[Hershey]

these will put a dent in the sale of YARII . Sales are down already . Seems like used YARII are outselling new ones .

[Kal-El]

The Fiesta is going to be a big hit, maybe even the new #1 sub-compact in America. It already has been in Europe. It will definitely eclipse the current Yaris in sales. We'll have to wait for the next Yaris and see how well it competes.

Ford has made a remarkable turnaround. Can't ignore them anymore!

[slothman86]

these 4 things a Yaris doesn't have

sulev/pzev
electric a/c
higher geared overdrive
Ti-VCT variable cam timing vs Yaris VVT-i which is variable valve timing.
(this is Fords version of VVT-i and means more fine tuning unobtainable with VVT-i
2 fully independent variable camshafts. can't do that in the Toyota. both
cams are in sync)


how is that hard to understand



also...

do not crap yourself when GM releases new cars with 45 mpg non-hybrid. the MPG ratings
of old are coming back, due to advances in catalyst technology GM just revealed. no longer will there be a need
to have as much unspent fuel fire the cat. they can now seriously reduce unburnt fuel and
keep emissions down. with current cat technology, you must have some unburnt fuel get wasted
to burn up in the cat or non-co2 (the toxic ones) emissions go through the roof. GM has new material that
cuts the need for unspent fuel way back, allowing more finite tuning of the cam and combustion process.

With all the fuel saving technology you'd think it get better mileage...? Right?

Either way 29/40 is the SFE, the super fuel saver. 29/36 is a stock yaris.

If there was SFE Yaris, I think it would surpass the Fiesta SFE.

The 29/40 is still pending EPA cert, says so on the site, even though it took me a minute to find where.

[UTVitz]

It looked kind of spunky at the car show-a ton better looking than the original two door hatch Focus. However, this is still a Ford product and almost every new car they introduce is plagued with problems-every "world" car has been introduced with much fan fare only to watch the problems shoot it down-so I am not paying much attention to this "party". I'll be curious to see what owners report as actual mileage on sites like fuelly. I've been very surprised at peoples reporting on that site. I just topped up yesterday and was almost getting 46mpg.

[jamal1984]

wish i have a little more moneys, then i will buy a fiesta and compare it to my yaris and let's you guys know :) hahahhahaha

[Zaphod]

Competition is good for the consumers and it's great to see a shift in demand for more fuel efficient vehicles. Heck, I almost couldn't believe my eyes, but I've been noticing more Yarii in the St. Louis area lately, which is the best advertisement really.

I'm excited about the Fiesta's availability in the US and I really do hope it does well :smile:

[127.0.0.1]

With all the fuel saving technology you'd think it get better mileage...? Right?

Either way 29/40 is the SFE, the super fuel saver. 29/36 is a stock yaris.

If there was SFE Yaris, I think it would surpass the Fiesta SFE.

The 29/40 is still pending EPA cert, says so on the site, even though it took me a minute to find where.


no, those are the official US Govt. EPA results as of May 17th, 2010

The EPA has finished calculating the fuel economy of the 2011 Ford Fiesta and, as the automaker projected, its new baby has hit 40 miles per gallon. The official numbers from the Feds are 29 mpg in the city and 40 mpg on the highway for Fiestas with the new 6-speed dual clutch Powershift gearbox.

it has (as all ULEV and SULEV cars have) DFCO but with a more aggressive map


it is still a POS Ford though. I am seeing Yaris's all over the place lately (I95/128/rt3 belt, Ma)
so I know it won't hurt Yaris sales much in my area. peeps know Fords are hunks-o-iron.

[slothman86]

no, those are the official US Govt. EPA results as of May 17th, 2010

The EPA has finished calculating the fuel economy of the 2011 Ford Fiesta and, as the automaker projected, its new baby has hit 40 miles per gallon. The official numbers from the Feds are 29 mpg in the city and 40 mpg on the highway for Fiestas with the new 6-speed dual clutch Powershift gearbox.

it has (as all ULEV and SULEV cars have) DFCO but with a more aggressive map


it is still a POS Ford though. I am seeing Yaris's all over the place lately (I95/128/rt3 belt, Ma)
so I know it won't hurt Yaris sales much in my area. peeps know Fords are hunks-o-iron.

It's not on the fuel economy site? Where'd you get that info?

[Yaris Hilton]

VVT-i, though it's called "variable valve timing," is actually a camshaft phase adjusting system. It is "variable cam timing." Difference in name only. Toyota has some engines with it on both camshafts, but the 1NZ-FE only has it on the intake where it matters most.

[127.0.0.1]

It's not on the fuel economy site? Where'd you get that info?


no it is not on the fuel economy site you are correct.

I have my sources. I won't publicize them.

you can find it.

[bronsin]

Car weighs 2600 pounds. Hecho en Mexico.

[bkrownd]

peeps know Fords are hunks-o-iron.

If Ford rents a bunch of TV time to show the funny segment from Top Gear where they race the Fiesta against the Corvette inside a shopping mall the sales would go berzerk.

[Kal-El]

It's not on the fuel economy site? Where'd you get that info?

It's definitely EPA official.

http://i.autoblog.com/2010/05/17/officially-official-2011-ford-fies/

[slothman86]

It's definitely EPA official.

http://i.autoblog.com/2010/05/17/officially-official-2011-ford-fies/

Thanks...

but still without some special system for fuel economy the Fiesta is still just 28/37. Which is really good!

but the Yaris has been around with almost the same mileage on this platform for...4 years? This Fiesta platform came out in 2008... but the POWERSHIFT option is ACCORDING TO MY SOURCES only a 2011 feature in the US.

I want to see how the next Yaris will perform!

[mick.wheelz]

a little compro of AUDM Models


Ford Fiesta ECOnetic (5 Door Hatch)

1.6lt Common Rail Turbo Diesel + DPF
66kw @ 4000rpm, 200nm @ 1750rpm

5spd Manual Trans.

3.7lt/100km Combined (ADR independent testing)

Toyota Yaris YR (5 Door Hatch)

1.3lt MPI Petrol + VVTi
63kw @ 6000rpm, 121nm @ 4000rpm

5spd Manual Trans.

6.5lt/100km Combined (ADR independent testing)


Toyota Yaris YRX (3 Door Hatch)

1.5lt MPI Petrol + VVTi
80kw @ 6000rpm, 141nm @ 4200rpm

5spd Manual Trans.

6.7lt/100km Combined (ADR independent testing)




As you can see from above, the fiesta gets its fuel economy from having a fairly advanced turbo diesel engine... while it does not make a lot of power would beat a 1.3lt yaris hands down for daily driveability

That said, if we look at the UK spec Yaris Diesel things are a LOT closer

Toyota Yaris TR Diesel (5 Door Hatch)

1.4lt Direct Injection Turbo Diesel
66kw @ 3800rpm, 205nm @ 1600rpm

6spd Manual Trans.

4.1l/100km Combined.

Toyota should simply take the diesel to other parts of the world in order to compete with the ford :)

[atomsareenough]

Yeah, but they're not selling the diesel Fiesta in the US. Those numbers (29/40) are for the normal gasoline version.

[fnkngrv]

Either way you look at it, Ford has had its moments on sharp looking cars however it is like the other of the big 3...plagued with issues and recalls. Toyota is not "falling apart at the seems" as the networks are trying to make it look as well as certain politicians getting their pockets lined by constituents. The Escort was hailed as a very economic car back when it was introduced however after owning 2 of them when I was younger and replacing heads in the motors left and right literally as well as the moisture issues with the distro-caps and wiring connections, etc it is tough to swallow that the Fiesta will stomp on us...

[john21031]

http://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/04/Ford-Fiesta-RS.jpghttp://cache.jalopnik.com/assets/resources/2008/02/Ford_Fiesta_Three_Door.jpghttp://z.about.com/d/cars/1/0/7/l/1/ag_11fiesta_intleft.jpg
http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2011-ford-fiesta_100179873_l.jpg

[mick.wheelz]

Yeah, but they're not selling the diesel Fiesta in the US. Those numbers (29/40) are for the normal gasoline version.

so 40 MPG is 5.9l/100km... thats not that brilliant fuel economy really...

the 06-08 yaris is rated at 6.0 (1.3)/ 6.1 (1.5) litres per 100km,
and the 09-10 yaris is rated at 6.5 (1.3)/ 6.7 (1.5) itres per 100km in Australia... why the hell aren't ford importing the diesel?

[Thirty-Nine]

mick.wheelz—in the U.S. it's very noteworthy. Only the Smart ForTwo gets better highway miles from a gasoline engine. That, however, may say more about the cars they sell in the U.S. than the Fiesta's fuel economy, though.

[mick.wheelz]

mick.wheelz—in the U.S. it's very noteworthy. Only the Smart ForTwo gets better highway miles from a gasoline engine. That, however, may say more about the cars they sell in the U.S. than the Fiesta's fuel economy, though.

really? see the below table;

http://i45.tinypic.com/208y2j7.png

3.9 l/100km = 60.3114316 miles per gallon
5.8 l/100km = 40.5542385 miles per gallon

ah well.

[atomsareenough]

OK, let's go over that list.

Toyota Prius Hybrid - Hybrid engine, not pure gas engine
Smart Fortwo - As noted, it beats the Fiesta, but it's tiny
Honda Civic Hybrid - Again, hybrid
Suzuki Alto - 3 cylinder engine, model not sold in the US
Fiat 500 - Not sold in the US yet, though we're supposed to finally get it later this year
VW Polo - Not sold in the US
Mitsubishi Colt - Not sold in the US
Proton Savvy - Not sold in the US
Honda Jazz - Not sold in the US
MINI Cooper - That seems to have a better rating than the Fiesta, but here in the US they say it's 37mpg.

Also, the Fiesta has about 119-120 hp, and it weighs a few hundred pounds more than the Yaris, so all things considered, 40MPG on the highway isn't bad.

[Thirty-Nine]

^^^

Exactly.

There have been more fuel-efficient cars sold in the U.S. for sure. However, with stricter emissions and safety law than before, we don't have any 45-50 MPG gasoline-only powered vehicles. There used to be quite a few of them.

Here's a chart I recently put together of subcompact EPA fuel mileage:
http://www.subcompactculture.com/2010/05/2010-subcompact-mileage-chart.html

Next, a listing of the most fuel-efficient subcompacts that have EVER been sold in the U.S. (including the Honda Insight). Yes the Chevrolet Sprint got an EPA rating of 44/53!:
http://www.subcompactculture.com/2009/07/what-was-most-fuel-efficient-subcompact.html

FYI, there hasn't been a three-cylinder car sold on the U.S. market since the 1.0-liter metro in the 1990s.
http://www.subcompactculture.com/2009/06/us-market-will-people-buy-cars-with.html

[Yaris Hilton]

Stricter safety and emissions regulations have driven the decline in mileage, as well as the popular preference for larger and more powerful cars.

[Zaphod]

Either way you look at it, Ford has had its moments on sharp looking cars however it is like the other of the big 3...plagued with issues and recalls. Toyota is not "falling apart at the seems" as the networks are trying to make it look as well as certain politicians getting their pockets lined by constituents. The Escort was hailed as a very economic car back when it was introduced however after owning 2 of them when I was younger and replacing heads in the motors left and right literally as well as the moisture issues with the distro-caps and wiring connections, etc it is tough to swallow that the Fiesta will stomp on us...
:laugh: The escort was a total PoS, no doubt about it.

We had a Pinto in the family for 15 years. We even towed a pop-up trailer all over the US with that little car, but the extra stress on the uni-body frame from all that towing combined with rust put her into an early grave ... if you call 15 years an early grave for an economy car, the engine and transmission were still running strong!

I have a feeling the Fiesta is going to be a really nice little car. It sure does look sharp, no question about it!

[bronsin]

My brothers Renault Alliance (1.3 liter) regularly got 53 mpg on his 20 mile commute. Prius cant do better. The best 2010 technology can do is TIE 1980 technology. IQs have dropped sharply in
30 years.

[Hershey]

don't forget the MAZDA 2 . Very good looking liftback . Sure to give the YARIS a run for the money . Too bad it doesn't have the 1.3 ltr. that was in the FORD Festiva . Great little car . Owned several of those . 1.3 ltr. one tough cookie , seen it take some serious abuse . There's a few still roaming about .

[bkrownd]

My brothers Renault Alliance (1.3 liter) regularly got 53 mpg on his 20 mile commute. Prius cant do better. The best 2010 technology can do is TIE 1980 technology. IQs have dropped sharply in
30 years.

Government-mandated equipment and emissions rules have increased sharply.

[Thirty-Nine]

And although you could get cars with 50+ MPGs in the 1980s, I'd much rather be in a crash in my 30 MPG Yaris vs. a 53 MPG Chevy Sprint.

However, it does speak to two things: 1) Our want for power and 2) Our lack of diesel options. Nowadays, if a car doesn't have 100 hp, it's nearly an impossible sell, regardless of mileage.

[bronsin]

Nowadays, if a car doesn't have 100 hp, it's nearly an impossible sell, regardless of mileage.

And we would have hostile foreign governments and the oil companies on their knees if we made a religion out of conservation.

[mick.wheelz]

OK, let's go over that list.

Toyota Prius Hybrid - Hybrid engine, not pure gas engine
Smart Fortwo - As noted, it beats the Fiesta, but it's tiny
Honda Civic Hybrid - Again, hybrid
Suzuki Alto - 3 cylinder engine, model not sold in the US
Fiat 500 - Not sold in the US yet, though we're supposed to finally get it later this year
VW Polo - Not sold in the US
Mitsubishi Colt - Not sold in the US
Proton Savvy - Not sold in the US
Honda Jazz - Not sold in the US
MINI Cooper - That seems to have a better rating than the Fiesta, but here in the US they say it's 37mpg.

Also, the Fiesta has about 119-120 hp, and it weighs a few hundred pounds more than the Yaris, so all things considered, 40MPG on the highway isn't bad.

The point i was trying to make is that there are lots of super efficiant small cars out there that get much more than 40mpg... thats all.

I didnt realise that the US had such a small subcompact market.

[bkrownd]

Honda Jazz - Not sold in the US


This is the same as the Honda Fit, though it comes with a 1.6 liter(?) engine in the US.

[bronsin]

The point i was trying to make is that there are lots of super efficiant small cars out there that get much more than 40mpg... thats all.

I didnt realise that the US had such a small subcompact market.


After the oil embargo in the 70s you had to weight six weeks to get a subcompact. With todays prices they sell prolly less than 100,000 SCs yearly here now.

[mick.wheelz]

After the oil embargo in the 70s you had to weight six weeks to get a subcompact. With todays prices they sell prolly less than 100,000 SCs yearly here now.

wow... yet here with a population of 20M people the sales of subcompacts for this year are over 40,000...

in europe it would be even higher again...

[SailDesign]

wow... yet here with a population of 20M people the sales of subcompacts for this year are over 40,000...

in europe it would be even higher again...

Yup! Here in the States they don't learn - and the "bigger is better" philosophy still rules. It's sad.
That said, things are improving. The guy that owns our local plumbing company drives a Yaris - he was sick of putting $200 per WEEK into his SUV just to drive round and check on his guys. Things are changing - but it is God-awful slow going....

[atomsareenough]

This is the same as the Honda Fit, though it comes with a 1.6 liter(?) engine in the US.

Ah, okay. I didn't look at the picture, but with the different name, tiny engine, and vastly better fuel economy, I just figured it was a different car.

[Hershey]

same for CHINA , want to live the AMERICAN lifestyle . Bigger is better . They're part of reason why AMERICAN car manufacturers are staying afloat . Not good for the near future gas , diesel , and oil prices .

[bronsin]

Its crazy for China. They are trying to copy our unsustainable lifestyle. When they had a sustainable one more or less to start with.

[slothman86]

Yeah, but they're not selling the diesel Fiesta in the US. Those numbers (29/40) are for the normal gasoline version.

Actually not the normal version...the super fuel efficient version!

[bronsin]

Yeah the super efficient nobody will ever find one to buy 2600 pound its all a lie that it gets 40 mpg version.

[atomsareenough]

Actually not the normal version...the super fuel efficient version!

Isn't it just the standard automatic transmission version? The engine isn't any different, right? What's different about the "super fuel efficient" version? It's my understanding that the manual has 5-speeds, but the auto has 6-speeds and is uses "dual-clutch", so it's more efficient.

[why?]

Its crazy for China. They are trying to copy our unsustainable lifestyle. When they had a sustainable one more or less to start with.

yea if you call absolute poverty 'sustainable.' Might as well call it what it truly is to a good majority of the chinese population: "slavery."

some money is finally starting to flow to non uber wealthy chinese. of course they are going to start to spend it.

[bronsin]

I agree the Chinese people are in a position where they will soon be demanding a bigger slice of the pie. Its going to be a difficult balancing act for everybody. China is only seeing an illusion of prosperity. Once the cheap labor goes, what happens then? Revolution? And when, as it seems likely, the Revolution doesnt produce the desired results, whats to follow THAT? There just isnt enough $$$$ to give everybody what they want.

[birdman]

I believe European miles or gallons are calibrated differently giving the illusion that their cars are more efficient than ones sold in the US.

[Kal-El]

I believe European miles or gallons are calibrated differently giving the illusion that their cars are more efficient than ones sold in the US.

One imperial gallon is approximately equal to 1.201 U.S. gallons. Canada, Great Britain, ect. use imperial gallons thus making the "MPG" figures significantly higher even when comparing identical cars.

Also, the USA's EPA provides estimates only good for the US market. Other countries produce their own estimates which vary due to different testing techniques.

Birdman, are you wondering if the Fiesta's 40 MPG figure is the European figure? It's not, that is the official EPA estimate for America - the same testing that gave the Yaris a 35 MPG highway figure.

[Midnight Drifter]

I'd rather drive the Chevrolet Cruze Eco.

At least THAT is an American car, not a Mexican car.

[why?]

most of GM's cars are made in mexico too.

[Shinare]

Stupid american UAW.... not so smart to price yourself out of a job.

[Hershey]

The '88 > '93 FORF Festivas ( Mazda 121 ) were manufactured in MEXICO . They were / are very dependable . Wonder if it's the same plant the new FIESTA is made at ? :iono: