Is a Yaris Really That Slow?

[RacerFreakXXX]

I was driving behind a base Celica GT and noticed I could keep up with no problem, even up to highway speeds. No I was not racing, but the kid in front of me decided to floor it from a stop and I had to see if I could keep up. Surprisingly enough I did. I know a lot of people think the Yaris as being slow, but how slow is it compared to the average daily driver? It seems to be dead on average, or even a bit better that average from what I have experienced.

[eTiMaGo]

yeah it's easy to look at its "only" 100ish horsepower and think the car is slow, but that's more than enough thanks to the relatively light weight of the car.

I can merge into 50MPH traffic without needing to put the pedal all the way to the metal, that's my benchmark :D

Of course, I would not say no to more power :D

[detroiter]

I say the car should have came with 130-140hp. I don't know why car companies are so afraid of giving a "cheap car" a little bit of power...without charging a rediculous price for it. Never understood why they do that. A yaris with 100 hp is a cheap car with a cheap price. A same exact everything yaris but with 130 hp would cost $2-$3,000 dollars more.

Whatever happened to making a cheap affordable car that had some punch to it. Alot of car companies fell off if you ask me.

[PETERPOOP]

not garm's.

[djct_watt]

A Celica GT isn't all that either. . . now a Celica GT-S would be a different story. But in stock trim, even a GT-S isn't earth shattering. It's not like you kept up with a Corvette. . . But hey, even relative to a V6 Camry, it's slower. I remember when I had my xA in the USA, I was completely smoked by a Honda Odyssey Minivan that wanted to raise (because I cut him off). It was BEYOND embarassing.

But is it dangerously slow? No. It gets the job done, and is faster than MANY SUV's and other cars out there. All the base model Kia stuff is slower, as is the Aveo, some suzuki's, and a lot of older cars that were considered acceptable, ie older pre -01 Corolla's. Consider that the performance is nearly the same as base model non-modified older Honda Civic's. . .

But if you have the auto, it's a fairly large difference (due to gearing). But did you really buy a Yaris to go fast? You could have spent the $10k + on a run down Pontiac Trans-Am or an old Camaro. . . or gotten a beat up EG or EK and modified. Or you could have bought a motorcycle.

After having spent my time on a bike, everything below supercar status is slow, and is pointless to race. Yes, I still drive rather aggressively, but I do it because I am impatient, not because I enjoy it. Unless you can run 12's. . . it's just slow to me. It's like that signature everyone uses about how racing slow cars is like the racing in the special olympics.

[SilverBack]

I say the car should have came with 130-140hp. I don't know why car companies are so afraid of giving a "cheap car" a little bit of power...without charging a rediculous price for it. Never understood why they do that. A yaris with 100 hp is a cheap car with a cheap price. A same exact everything yaris but with 130 hp would cost $2-$3,000 dollars more.

Whatever happened to making a cheap affordable car that had some punch to it. Alot of car companies fell off if you ask me.

The reason our 1.5L 1NZ-FE is at 110 BHP is due to Toyota's goal to create a simple DD with a high MPG. If it were a 1.8L with up to 140 BHP we would get the punch, but would suffer a little more at the pump.

But yeah, you're right. We could afford just a little power considering how much money we're saving on gas compared to a slightly bigger car, like a Corolla.

Also the diesel Yarii owners in Europe have a good thing going. That should be us too IMO.

[BluYrs]

The performance of the Yaris in everyday taffic greatly depends on the driver's skills. You have to be in the right gear at the right time, you can't just punch it whenever you feel like it. So it takes a bit more attention to find the torque sweetspot and to make most of the engine. But when you do, it's a hoot to trash around.

Given the above, I can't say my Yaris is slow. Sure, it takes a good 15 seconds to reach 100kmh/60mph and you have to change gear more often, but driven right it can be surprisingly swift.

[yariphilia]

yes, the yaris is slow. no it doesn't get great gas mileage. the 1.8l corolla is rated the same out of the box. my friend has an xd with the corolla motor and its auto and she is getting 39-41 mpg, dead on with what i'm getting. in 1992 honda built the civic cx, gas motor, 1.5l single cam vtec-e and it was rated somewhere around 50 mpg... 18 years later and the 1nzfe cant compare? this leads to the conclusion that the yaris is just a cheap car that is environmentally friendly. doesnt mean it will keep me from going fast though, its already been done :)

[Lewis]

This discussion is strange to me as I get to Europe and there the 1.5 motor is the "hot" Yaris. You want to see slow? Try the 1.2 gas or the diesel Yaris and you will discover what slow REALLY is!

My feeling is that if speed is your goal perhaps you should drive something other than a Yaris :-)

My photo shows another slow vehicle that is excellent off road!

[Yaris Hilton]

You can't directly compare old and new EPA mileage figures, because the test procedures changed to lower the figures in the 2007 model year. The AT Yaris got switched from 34/40 to 29/35. More crash protection structure, air bags and stuff runs up the car weight and that makes a big difference. A 2375 lb. curb weight isn't a little car.

The 1.5L Yaris is comparable to the typical old big block V8 American passenger cars' performance. There's a thread on here pointing out that it will beat a 1980 Chevy Z-28 Camaro. Standards change over time. You young guys that think it's pokey don't know how good you've got it.

[127.0.0.1]

it isn't horsepower it is torque

and the Yaris has enough torque to bop around just fine

oh yeah many many cars will just flatten it, but that is not what I got
this thing for. it is small yet roomy, and good on gas. that is all I care about

[mrb3990]

I have a manual transmission and am very satisfied with the acceleration power. Anyone who bought an automatic and complains about acceleration only has themselves to blame.

[ddongbap]

not garm's.

Garm no longer has a Yaris. Just a rocket on 4 wheels.

[detroiter]

+1

[talnlnky]

I was driving behind a base Celica GT and noticed I could keep up with no problem, even up to highway speeds. No I was not racing, but the kid in front of me decided to floor it from a stop and I had to see if I could keep up. Surprisingly enough I did. I know a lot of people think the Yaris as being slow, but how slow is it compared to the average daily driver? It seems to be dead on average, or even a bit better that average from what I have experienced.

its average I'd think.... its low weight helps out a lot. A lot of the time it seems like it can get a quicker start than other cars, but then the other cars start to overcome their massive weight and catchup & pull away.

[bst82551]

I think the Yaris is plenty fast enough for what you pay. Mods are generally cheap and net decent gains. The only car in its class that I can think of that's significantly faster is the Honda Fit, and it usually retails for $3k more (plus the extra money you pay in gas over the years). You get what you pay for.

I'm extremely happy with the Yaris (and I sure love to drive it like I stole it).

[cali yaris]

haha, I saw the thread title and knew my name would come up. :smile:

I loved the look, I liked the usefulness, I liked the mileage, but the stock car was a pretty slow dog in 4th and 5th gear. And that's ok, it is what it is! well... not any more.. :biggrin:

[bronsin]

My 74 Beetle had 48 hp and Id rather have a new one of those than a Yaris. YAris should weight 1500 pounds and be no more than 50 hp. If an economy car is what you want. Anybody import a Nano? :headbang:

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

The Yaris is really quick. Just today, I took a quick left turn and low and behold, there was a souped up Ferrari that wanted to race. I quickly stomped on the pedal and took off like a rocket. Srsly.

[bkrownd]

Feels slow to me, but I drive extra slow anyhow and I've never tried to stomp on it.

[STC]

Feels slow to me, but I drive extra slow anyhow and I've never tried to stomp on it.

Yep! Me too... I don't think I've ever gone over 55 MPH. Maybe 60 MPH down a hill! Heck, it seems like it takes me a minute just to get to 55 on the highway! LOL!
:burnrubber:

[ddongbap]

IDK about you guys, but that 150mph to 210mph climb takes a bit.

[Yaris Hilton]

My 74 Beetle had 48 hp and Id rather have a new one of those than a Yaris. YAris should weight 1500 pounds and be no more than 50 hp. If an economy car is what you want. Anybody import a Nano? :headbang:

Yeah, but they had to quit selling Beetles in the U.S. because they couldn't meet the safety standards of the mid-'70s.

[Kioshi]

I think the Yaris is average. When driving the car equipped w/ manual, it is loads of fun. Just ask the NorCal group when we have our cruises in the mountain.

The car has plenty of power to merge on freeway. I dont slam on the pedal to merge, (only when i fill up, right after it)...and the car gets up to 50-55mph easily when planting itself in the slow lane to be w/ the flow of traffic.

I got this car for fuel economy...and once figured out that the power can be played with..and even more once CTScott hacks the ECM.....it will be more than what i bargained this car FOR!

[CtrlAltDefeat]

I started my search for a new car with an eye on reliability and gas mileage. Of course my search landed me squarely on the Yaris (I don't believe hybrid technology is worth it yet). Then, I saw what it looked like, and I was in love. I started researching the car (as I do with every major purchase) and found YW. The reports I found of how much fun it is to drive (the MT, any ways) and the mods people were doing got me really excited. The whole scene reminds me of the early import scene. Early Hondas were aimed at the cheap/fuel efficiency market, but but as time went by, people started modding them for performance, and they became a common tuner car. I love the great mpg it gets, but as fun as it is to drive, I'm looking forward to seeing what develops, and to being a part of it all.

[*MAD DOG*]

I have an Auto 1.5 litre Yaris and I beat a 3.0 litre Camry today. The only mods i've made is an NST light crank pulley. Very happy with my Yaris. Had it for 2.5 years, in another 2.5 years I will have paid it off :)

[Tamago]

does a bear sH1T in the woods?

[Kal-El]

I don't know why anyone would complain that the Yaris is slow unless they totally forgot what the Yaris is for.

Plus, the Yaris accomplishes a pretty impressive feat: It is the fastest and yet most fuel efficient car in its class (not counting the upcoming game changing Fiesta). The Fit, Versa, Accent, Aveo, ect. are all slower yet less efficient.

Anyone begging for more power is free to move up a class and spend more money on gas. Power costs money. That's reality.

IMO, the Yaris's 106 HP strikes a perfect balance.
:smile:

[detroiter]

Power shouldn't cost money (on a small power scale). I can't imagine that it costs any auto manufacturer an additonal $2-$3,000 dollars, per vehicle, to design and include an engine with an aditional 20-30 hp.

[Stove]

It's not that power cost the manufacturer that much more money, power is going to cost you more money. It's a selling point. Add 20-30 hp and the Yaris is now market competition for more expensive cars. The price is going to go up as Toyota, and it's dealers, want to maximize profits by selling their cars at the highest market value. I maybe mistaken, but add 20-30 hp and I believe the MPG would go down, which is a big selling point for some people.

[Yaris Hilton]

Yep. I'd be perfectly happy with less power than it's got with the 1.5L engine. It's a rare event when I put the pedal to the metal. I'm sure I'd be OK with the 1.3L engine, and probably the 1.0L. Heck, I drove my dad's old Diesel Chevette for years.

I'd LOVE to have the 1.4L turbodiesel and would have paid the difference just to have one, but I don't want the new "clean diesel" technology with urea injection, catalysts and particle filters to clean out.

But the 1NZ-FE is a nicely balanced engine for the car, with plenty of reserve power on tap AND excellent fuel economy. Puts out peak power on par with the nervous race tuned sports car engines of my youth, with fast rough idles, no low speed torque and plugs that would quickly foul if you drove around town. But it's a perfectly tractable daily commuter that runs on the crappy low octane modern regular gas (at a 10.5:1 compression ratio!) with a torque curve that's nearly flat across the whole RPM band! I think it's amazing, and I'll say again that you folks who're complaining just don't get it! If you want a faster car, buy one, there are plenty out there. This is an economical, reliable small family car, not a sports car. For what it is, it's perfect.

[wooverstone8]

This is an economical, reliable small family car, not a sports car. For what it is, it's perfect.

+1

[roxy1]

yes. slow. but not so slow you cant beat a 3.0 camry in a race (or even a ferarri)...so long as they dont know you are in a race with them.:laugh:

who cares. it is adequate enough to do what needs doing.

[RedRide]

I have a (02) Celica GT so, I'm in a position to make a good comparison.

First off, the yaris has more low end torque but, if you down shift the Celica, it would definately pull away from a Yaris. The Celica's 1ZZ engine is rev happy.

However, when they are both up to highway speeds (and both in 5th gear) a Yaris would probably have no problem keeping up with the Celica for the most part..

[DIPLOMATIC]

I have a manual transmission and am very satisfied with the acceleration power. Anyone who bought an automatic and complains about acceleration only has themselves to blame.

I bought an automatic and I do think the acceleration is a bit slow compared to other automatic cars I have driven, however the overall torque and speed of the car is just fine for me. I have had it up to 110 mph with no problems.

[Stove]

I have had it up to 110 mph with no problems.

Did you do that on the test drive?:thumbup:

[Tamago]

I have a (02) Celica GT so, I'm in a position to make a good comparison.

First off, the yaris has more low end torque but, if you down shift the Celica, it would definately pull away from a Yaris. The Celica's 1ZZ engine is rev happy.

However, when they are both up to highway speeds (and both in 5th gear) a Yaris would probably have no problem keeping up with the Celica for the most part..

so, the 1.5L engine makes more low end torque than a 1.8L ?

the celica GT's engine rev happy? doesn't the 1zz rev to about 6300rpm? and the 1nz in the yaris rev's to 6400 or so? either way, they're within a couple hundred rpm of each other, so what makes the 1zz "rev happy" ? i've owned two cars with the 1zz and neither of them i'd consider rev happy.

[DIPLOMATIC]

Did you do that on the test drive?:thumbup:


haha no there is actually a funny story behind it. I was actually driving in third gear for about 1,000 miles when I first got the car. If you have ever seen the automatic, you know the shift has one slot for both Drive and 3rd gear, and me being the idiot I am, I confused the slot for 3 and D being the same gear. :rolleyes:

Anyway I was driving on the highway when some tool in a civic thought he was macho and cut into my lane doing probably 90. Well I saw that my exit was ahead so I quickly passed him and double laned to the exit ramp so he had no chance of passing me; the engine humming all the way because the car was in 3rd gear; at 110mph. When I was showing my new car to my father one day he told me to be careful and make sure that I shift into D and not 3 because I will blow the motor if I drive at 5 rpm for a long time.

My stomach dropped, and I have never made that mistake again. How lucky I am to realize what a fool I was before I caused a serious problem.

[birdman]

The one I drove in Ireland a few years ago had a lot more punch. I think their gas is better. I know there are things one can do to make ours as quick but it's a bit pricey. The reason I bought mine is that I wanted to have a lift back with the best mileage for a non hybrid. I might modify it a bit after the warranty expires but I'd hate to sacrifice the fuel economy.

[RedRide]

so, the 1.5L engine makes more low end torque than a 1.8L ?

the celica GT's engine rev happy? doesn't the 1zz rev to about 6300rpm? and the 1nz in the yaris rev's to 6400 or so? either way, they're within a couple hundred rpm of each other, so what makes the 1zz "rev happy" ? i've owned two cars with the 1zz and neither of them i'd consider rev happy.

Yes the Yaris engine has more low end torque than the celica 1ZZ.
In fact the The celica 2zz in the GT-S has less low end torque than the 1ZZ

The 1zz is rev happy because most of its power in in the higher RPM range. as compared to the 1nz.

[sickpuppy1]

I've thought about power mods on a small scale, even though I'm satisfied with what it has. But then the dealer gave me an incentive....LIFETIME drive train warranty......I think I'll keep it stock and keep the warranty,meh, maybe a better aircleaner.
But then again, like stated, all that isnt why I bought the car, The Yaris was intended for reliable, daily driver, many years of service and A given price point. The more power they put into it, the lower the mileage and reliability and longevity.

[slothman86]

There is more to being fast than just stomping the pedal. Any dick can go 100 mph down the highway. The question is... can you go 100 mph on the off ramp? ...NOT recommended, lol

[bobselectric]

Did you do that on the test drive?:thumbup:

Right before the airbag test :biggrin:

[M4One]

The Yaris is only as slow as the driver.

[Billiam]

At my age and place in life, I could have bought a lot of other cars. But I chose the Yaris because of it's economy, price and even looks to some degree. It just doesn't make much sense to throw a bunch of jack at a car for me these days. Maybe my priorities have shifted as I've gotten older. But all-out power is just not a big deal to me anymore. The Yaris will more than do all legal speed limits in the USA. And quite frankly, if anyone bought a Yaris with the idea that it is some kind of high performance car....well, then life will continue to be hard for you.

[id3379]

I have a manual transmission and am very satisfied with the acceleration power. Anyone who bought an automatic and complains about acceleration only has themselves to blame.

:thumbsup:

[Stove]

I took a little 200+ mile road trip today. It involved about 120 miles of I-5 and 100 miles of windy mountain roads. I learned a couple of things about Yaris speed on my trip.

1. The Yaris will out accelate a Rav-4 from 55 up to 95 mph. I know it's not saying much but at least it isn't the slowest Toyota on the freeway.

There is more to being fast than just stomping the pedal. Any dick can go 100 mph down the highway. The question is... can you go 100 mph on the off ramp? ...NOT recommended, lol
2. There is nothing more awesome than watching the full size Chevy truck that followed you into a tight corner at Yaris speed, try to stay on the road. Two corners in a row.

[djct_watt]

I took a little 200+ mile road trip today. It involved about 120 miles of I-5 and 100 miles of windy mountain roads. I learned a couple of things about Yaris speed on my trip.

1. The Yaris will out accelate a Rav-4 from 55 up to 95 mph. I know it's not saying much but at least it isn't the slowest Toyota on the freeway.


2. There is nothing more awesome than watching the full size Chevy truck that followed you into a tight corner at Yaris speed, try to stay on the road. Two corners in a row.

The V6 Rav4 will devastate a Yaris, as it is nearly 300HP. The non-4wd V6 can 0-60 almost under 6 seconds, AWD in 6.7. A manual Yaris can't even break 8 or even 8.5 for that matter, over 2 seconds behind, and trailing even further by the quarter mile marker.

Even if it was a 4 cylinder, the specs are pretty close. But you'd still have to be in a manual Yaris. The auto Yaris is nearly in the 10 second range for 0-60.

[djct_watt]

Man, I hope you guys keep your racing off the streets, but if you have ever had a car or vehicle that is TRULY fast, you'd know that the most annoying thing is stupid slow cars trying to race and nearly causing accidents.

When I was in the USA and had my bike, I ALWAYS had somebody in a civic or a Yaris or a Scion cut me off and throw on their hazards, and I wasn't even racing. Keep in mind, most people don't care what car is faster, since odds are, if you are racing something in the same class, both cars are retardedly slow. Maybe through the corners or some kind of course where handling would come into play, the Yaris might be a real contender. But on most streets, racing is really pointless.

And yes, it's one thing to have some fun, but I hope you keep it reasonably safe. And also I hope you guys remember that sometimes (and many times) these people aren't even racing. In this car, it's possible to accelerate flat out against another car, run neck and neck, and they might just be cruising minding their own business. It's usually the cars/drivers with something to prove that cause the most problems.

[Kal-El]

Having a fast car causes more problems then it's worth.

My last car was a '93 Lexus SC400 (250 hp 4.0 V-8). The thing had sweet high end torque. Naturally, I did stupid things on the highway like go from 65-100 in a matter of 3 seconds. With an effortlessly fast car, your going to find yourself speeding all the time even without knowing it. This means tickets.

I have found that owning a Yaris has turned me into a very responsible and safe driver. And one who has yet to get a ticket after two years of ownership.

[PETERPOOP]

\
When I was in the USA and had my bike, I ALWAYS had somebody in a civic or a Yaris or a Scion cut me off and throw on their hazards, \.


lol. i highly doubt that.

[djct_watt]

Believe it or not, yeah. . . there were a lot in LA. Corolla's too. . . basically any cheap entry level car. Oh god, Sentra's were terrible as well!!!!

[Stove]

The V6 Rav4 will devastate a Yaris, as it is nearly 300HP. The non-4wd V6 can 0-60 almost under 6 seconds, AWD in 6.7. A manual Yaris can't even break 8 or even 8.5 for that matter, over 2 seconds behind, and trailing even further by the quarter mile marker.

Even if it was a 4 cylinder, the specs are pretty close. But you'd still have to be in a manual Yaris. The auto Yaris is nearly in the 10 second range for 0-60.

I wouldn't know about the 0-60 times since my post was "55 up to 95 mph". We started at 55 and I let off at 95 quite a few times with him trailing way back.

[djct_watt]

My point is that lack of torque (from a smaller engine) is exacerbated at higher speeds. So if the Yaris is trailing from 0-60, it will be trailing by EVEN MORE at higher speeds. A good example is a motorcycle. 0-60 in 3 seconds, 1/4 miles in 11 seconds or less. They'll keep up with any exotic sports car 0-60 or quarter mile. But pit them up at freeway speeds with a rolling start, and the supercar will win every time due to torque.

[Stove]

My point is that lack of torque (from a smaller engine) is exacerbated at higher speeds. So if the Yaris is trailing from 0-60, it will be trailing by EVEN MORE at higher speeds. A good example is a motorcycle. 0-60 in 3 seconds, 1/4 miles in 11 seconds or less. They'll keep up with any exotic sports car 0-60 or quarter mile. But pit them up at freeway speeds with a rolling start, and the supercar will win every time due to torque.

I guess I must have been dreaming then, or it wasn't a V6. I have no idea, since I wasn't behind him. You do the math.:wink:

[Yaris Hilton]

The supercar will beat the motorcycle at high speeds due to superior aerodynamics.

[djct_watt]

The supercar will beat the motorcycle at high speeds due to superior aerodynamics.

My gsxr would stay even with corvettes up to about 130, and then they'd pull on me. I know from experience. There was no shifting at that point so it was a pure physics race. I'm not talkin about racing integras, talkin 911 turbos, z06's, etc

[djct_watt]

Let's not get off topic... I know it's my fault it's getting there, but this my attempt to steer it back on track

[why?]

sure it is....


Older cars weighed less. A lot less in some cases. That is why they seemed more powerful.

my favorite older car is a 89 mazda 626 turbo. it had 130 hp and weighed 1800lbs. the thing flew.

get rid of a few hundred pounds of yaris and the car will get better.

however with safety standards, airbags(gag), and other crap, cars are forced to weigh a ton more and get worse gas mileage.

oh, btw, that civiv that got 50 mpg? its 0-60 was like 25 seconds.

[Tamago]

Yes the Yaris engine has more low end torque than the celica 1ZZ.
In fact the The celica 2zz in the GT-S has less low end torque than the 1ZZ

The 1zz is rev happy because most of its power in in the higher RPM range. as compared to the 1nz.

that's funny, because i compared my stock dyno graph 1zz (corolla) to my stock 1nz (xA) and imagine that, more torque from the 1.8 across the powerband....

so, since you're basing your "knowledge" on butt-dyno, i consider this conversation over.

[Tamago]

My gsxr would stay even with corvettes up to about 130, and then they'd pull on me. I know from experience. There was no shifting at that point so it was a pure physics race. I'm not talkin about racing integras, talkin 911 turbos, z06's, etc

none of those are supercars ;)

[Tamago]

sure it is....


Older cars weighed less. A lot less in some cases. That is why they seemed more powerful.

my favorite older car is a 89 mazda 626 turbo. it had 130 hp and weighed 1800lbs. the thing flew.
.


where did you lose 900lbs?

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/spec_Exterior.aspx?year=1989&make=Mazda&model=626&trimid=-1

[djct_watt]

none of those are supercars ;)

Yeah, you're right. But a Z06 does have supercar performance. It'll hold it's own amongst any exotic, and is faster than many. Don't get me wrong, I'm no raging country singing Chevy fanboy, but I respect it for what it is.

Most (real) supercar drivers do not drive very hard, simply for the fact that they have no need to prove themselves to others who are super slow. But yeah, cars like corvettes, 911's, M3/5/roadster/coupe, AMG's, usually like to play around on the road, well relative to the rest. But they're still nowhere near as bad as econocars.

[Yaris Hilton]

There's really no place for anybody to be using that kind of performance on public roads. Take it to the track.

[bronsin]

The supercar will beat the motorcycle at high speeds due to superior aerodynamics.

My ST1100 would do 125 NO PROBLEM. Although...you wouldnt want to have to TURN....

[Yaris Hilton]

Oh, I know there are sport motorbikes that will do 170+. But proportionately a lot more of their power is spent overcoming aerodynamic drag at high speeds than with a supercar. Or put another way, the Cd of a bike and rider is higher than the car's.

[djct_watt]

Oh, I know there are sport motorbikes that will do 170+. But proportionately a lot more of their power is spent overcoming aerodynamic drag at high speeds than with a supercar. Or put another way, the Cd of a bike and rider is higher than the car's.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Somebody here either actually knows what they are talking about here or is knowledgeable in physics. Motorcycles are great at quarter mile runs and absolutely OWN performance in the 0-130MPH or so range. 130+ and they lack the torque to overcome drag. Notice that if you have a power limited top speed, you will always top out at your torque curve's peak, and not your HP peak in your powerband. However, acceleration is greatest at the HP peak.

Acceleration is created by torque applied over time, or in other words, power. Gearing is what turns that time applied energy into instantaneous torque, which is why torque does not always determine fastest acceleration. Top speed (power limited) is determined by the maximum instantaneous torque that be created vs aero drag. And yes, most bikes, like the ST1100 will EASILY EASILY EASILY do 125. And yes, that kind of power at those kinds of speeds, and racing in generally SHOULD ALWAYS be kept off the streets. We were all young and stupid once, but we learn better from out mistakes. I do not advocate street racing in anyway. Not to excuse it, but I-5 from LA to SF (400 miles) and a sore rear end on a very uncomfortable sport bike = myself turning temporarily insane and wanting to get there quickly, although in the end, I had to stop for gas 4 times which actually slowed me down. And I'm pushing this off topic again. SORRY!!!!!!!!

Back to the topic, for what it is, the Yaris has more than enough power. It's good the way it is. The only thing that would be nice is a 6th gear on the tranny for a higher overdrive ratio. If automatic, then yeah, another 15-20 HP would be great. . . although not necessary. When the 1NZ gets redone, which it is overdue for, it should see a power bump. Hopefully they bring the direct injection technology to the line. It would boost power and fuel efficiency.

[Thai_Dang]

I feel slow on the highway, feels like it takes more pedal travel to maintain speed/accelerate, so that 85 mph seems pretty fast compared to just ho hum in a 2009 camry. Lol but it has more than enough power to get a speeding ticket, just got to get used to coming from 160-200 hp engines. I remember driving a powerful ass suv, and didn't even notice that I got up to 95 mph.

[yaris2010RS]

ha, i raced a prelude on the 427 tonight, we started off doing about 50km/h past an accident and punched it, around traffic getting up too a max 160km/h (before we went our seperate ways) i had overtaken him (i was very impressed considering he took off first and my passanger and i are not the lightest ppl)