Officer punches girl in face...

[PerfectoII]

A bit of local news..

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/96353934.html

[RedHatch08]

Wow. Looks like something that would happen here in Detroit.

That officer must punch like a bitch though. That 17 year old girl just walked it off.

[custom Lftback]

just saw this on the news. damn, he socked that girl, but i think that just enraged her even more

[STC]

Welcome to Police State USA! Home of the American Brownshirts. What a Fascist pig... :frown:

Time to co-op the Police and Military and show them how to be sane in this insane upside down world...

Cheers!

[djct_watt]

He should have reached for the taser or OC'd. . . would have been much more PC. . . but I'd rather get sissy-punched in the face then tased or OC'd.

It looks like they were resisting arrest to me and failing to comply to police instructions. I generally hate cops, but I try to be as courteous and polite as possible to them. It does wonders getting me out of tickets and trouble (in the USA, in Thailand we have a diff$erent method altogether). Although I agree that the force used was a bit excessive, people need to learn the hard lesson of learning that a little humility goes a long way.

I've been caught doing some really stupid stuff, but being ULTRA polite and respectful got me a TON of leniency.

[YarisSedan]

Unbelievable when it all comes down to really just some teenagers jaywalking. Cops seriously have nothing else better to do but harass people.

[Damo]

Hitting anyone, male or female is not a good thing - but I have strong opinions the other way on this. I believe these situations only arise because we've allowed them to by pampering our kids...

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people these days?

Heres a (probably less experienced) police officer, outnumbered and clearly needing help. (and probably some more training in restraining ppl) Dont kid yourselves - Women can be just as violent and dangerous when they get hot-headed. Rather than the community coming to ANYONES aide, we have 30 idiots just standing around with cameraphones - more concerned with waiting for the cop to mess up so they can get themselves on the nightly news.

SAD.

I guess Im a little old school here, but where is the respect for the law?

I train martial arts myself, and I can say first-hand - In an escalated situation ANYONE could do things in the spur of the moment that (upon reflection), they admittedly shouldnt have done - whether theyve been trained for it or not.

Most importantly, why the hell dont young people obey police anymore?

This is not not some guy asking her to dinner - Its a police officer giving her specific instructions. She was told to put her hands on the boot of the car and she snapped.
Its completely disrespectful - and her friend is moronic for sticking her nose into the situation in the first place. Obviously her friend came to his senses and pulled her out of the foray when he realized the mess she was getting herself into.

If police arent conducting themselves in a respectful manner towards the public, there are things you can do. Get a badge number and report them. You can actually have their job for it. Before you do though, perhaps have a think about the horrible job they have, dealing with people who consider themselves more important than the laws the rest of society have to abide by.

When it comes to police - Do WHAT you're told WHEN you're told, and fight about it later.

[djct_watt]

Hitting anyone, male or female is not a good thing - but I have strong opinions the other way on this. I believe these situations only arise because we've allowed them to by pampering our kids...

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people these days?

Heres a

[. . .]

When it comes to police - Do WHAT you're told WHEN you're told, and fight about it later.

AMEN.

[JumpmanYaris]

LMAO this is way to funny.

Damn kids think they know it all

[SilverBack]

That cop's a damn coward for not knowing how to handle a minor. Where's that Epic Beard Man to even the score?

[TLyttle]

A LONG time ago when I was a kid, we were just hanging around after 10PM, and a cop rolled up. He shone a nice, big, 5-cell flashlight in our faces and asked, "What are you all doing here?", and one of the light thinkers said; "Who wants to know?" The words were bares out before that flashlight came across the side of his head. As the stupid one lay there, the cop asked again, "What are you all doing here?" The usual reply, "Nothin', Officer." The cops said, "Do nothing at home. I don't want to see you out here again tonight." Needless to say, we left. The cop shone the light on Stupid again, asked if he was going home, Stupid said yes. The cop left. There was no witless parent howling about police abuse, in fact the kid was grounded for a week, simply for being too witless to sass a cop. No gangs then, no knives, certainly no shooting! I didn't hear a gunshot on the streets until I went to LA 30 years later...

[djct_watt]

NSFW language
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCCjFbFXn8

[Damo]

^^^ Bwuahauhaah!!!

[STC]

I believe these situations only arise because we've allowed them to by pampering our kids...

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people these days?

EXACTLY, Damo!

"Evil does not arise only from evil people, but also from good people who tolerate the initiation of force as a means to their own ends. In this manner, good people have empowered evil people throughout history."

WE are completely responsible for creating this behavior... both police officer and girl. The disrespect by the young lady should not be overlooked... lack of values are a partial cause. But, through our lack of awareness and empowering these forces, we are then the crux of the problem. And what do we do? Passively sit back... watch it on TV and get mad!

What we are seeing is the building-up of tyranny... a tyranny that is not only isolated to American society... world tyranny. And technology is the fueling factor for these actions to further propogate.

[TRDMarty]

The stupid fucking bitch deserved it!!!
She made a concious decision to defy a police officer who witnessed an infraction of the law
and no matter how small the infraction was (jay walking). She was disrespectful and JUST didn't give a fuck and tried to be above the law and make up her own rules. Her and her friends were caught doing this infraction and she didn't like being caught. When she turned verbal,did NOT comply with his instructions then resisted the officer and her friend jumped in as well, the officer HAD to gain control at that moment, at that time.
So, ask yourself the question. If the next time your'e in public & a police officer walks up to you and asks you for your attention to something, will you tell him NO?? Like sayng FUCK OFF COP??? I'd bet at least 99% of you would listen and comply to their instructions.
Like I said, the stupid fucking bitch deserved it.
The sad part is, she'll probably get an attourney.

[Ayaz]

Wow. Looks like something that would happen here in Detroit.

That officer must punch like a bitch though. That 17 year old girl just walked it off.

You see the size of that girl though....

[127.0.0.1]

AMEN.

this. do what the officer says to do, and do not say a word yourself.


save it for the courts if you have a problem. do not challenge an officer
no matter how wrong they may appear to be.


idiots with no respect

[djct_watt]

this. do what the officer says to do, and do not say a word yourself.


save it for the courts if you have a problem. do not challenge an officer
no matter how wrong they may appear to be.


idiots with no respect

Why did you quote the "amen?"

[127.0.0.1]

Why did you quote the "amen?"

because I did not multi-quote, durrrr

[YAR1S]

would it have made a difference if her tasered her instead of punched her? Its all the same to me, he needed control of the situation and to me it looked like everyone was out there looking for trouble and resisting arrest.... but then again the video starts halfway into the situation not from the start.....


I'd of rather get some sense beat into me like that if I was that stupid rather than a jolt of electricity ALL over my body .... but hey it must be more humane to taser a girl rather than sock her one, lolz.

[coffiend]

Okay this girl is just an ignorant teen an deserve some sort of punishment, maybe not getting punched in the face (I don't believe in any sort of violence)

but on the other hand, I have seen police abuse their authority way tok many times. Growing up as a skateboarder I was harassed CONSTANTLY by cops who just have nothing better to do than harrass thr type of people that they didn't like at one point in their lives.

Kids no longer respect police because of that fact.

I have been pulled over not once, twice, but THREE times without any reason from the police officer other than "we are looking for a black car". One of those tines my vehicle was searched an I had to take field sobriety tests and a breathalyzer (even though I had not a single drip of alcohol that night).

It is situations like these that plant a general disdain for officers in youth. Rather than actually protecting people, they'd rather spend their time pulling over any young person they can in hopes of scoring a DUI ticket.

I thought police were supposed to make people feel safe, not paranoid...

[MadMax]

The first girl was breaking the law by resisting arrest, and the second girl assaulted a police officer, and we're suppose to take their side?

I don't care what the offense was, the first was guilty of failing to comply with the officer's orders and resisting. She later attacked him and she should be jailed for it.

The second girl should also be jailed for assaulting an officer.

The officer was doing the job he is paid to do. Fighting him was a stupid move on both of their parts...they went from a simple jaywalking misdemeanor to felony assault.

I hope the Seattle police don't cave in on this one. The need to back the officer as his actions we legal and within his authority.

[DandiDani]

i kinda felt bad for the officer because he was alone and there were so many people around antagonizing him, but i dont think it gave him the right to hit her in the face. I wish we had seen it from the beginning

[TLyttle]

Regardless of the bad language, TRDMarty is right in the likelihood that she will drag the thing through court, and waste everyone's time. Really, the legal system (can't call it a justice system now, can you?) loves stuff like that, 'cuz everyone makes SO MUCH money off it...

[PerfectoII]

He should have reached for the taser or OC'd. . . would have been much more PC. . . but I'd rather get sissy-punched in the face then tased or OC'd.

It looks like they were resisting arrest to me and failing to comply to police instructions. I generally hate cops, but I try to be as courteous and polite as possible to them. It does wonders getting me out of tickets and trouble (in the USA, in Thailand we have a diff$erent method altogether). Although I agree that the force used was a bit excessive, people need to learn the hard lesson of learning that a little humility goes a long way.

I've been caught doing some really stupid stuff, but being ULTRA polite and respectful got me a TON of leniency.

The stupid fucking bitch deserved it!!!
She made a concious decision to defy a police officer who witnessed an infraction of the law
and no matter how small the infraction was (jay walking). She was disrespectful and JUST didn't give a fuck and tried to be above the law and make up her own rules. Her and her friends were caught doing this infraction and she didn't like being caught. When she turned verbal,did NOT comply with his instructions then resisted the officer and her friend jumped in as well, the officer HAD to gain control at that moment, at that time.
So, ask yourself the question. If the next time your'e in public & a police officer walks up to you and asks you for your attention to something, will you tell him NO?? Like sayng FUCK OFF COP??? I'd bet at least 99% of you would listen and comply to their instructions.
Like I said, the stupid fucking bitch deserved it.
The sad part is, she'll probably get an attourney.



this. do what the officer says to do, and do not say a word yourself.


save it for the courts if you have a problem. do not challenge an officer
no matter how wrong they may appear to be.


idiots with no respect



The first girl was breaking the law by resisting arrest, and the second girl assaulted a police officer, and we're suppose to take their side?

I don't care what the offense was, the first was guilty of failing to comply with the officer's orders and resisting. She later attacked him and she should be jailed for it.

The second girl should also be jailed for assaulting an officer.

The officer was doing the job he is paid to do. Fighting him was a stupid move on both of their parts...they went from a simple jaywalking misdemeanor to felony assault.

I hope the Seattle police don't cave in on this one. The need to back the officer as his actions we legal and within his authority.

Bingo!!! Couldn't have said it better. BTW, there is overwhelming support for the officers actions from the community as shown in polls, radio, and news.

NSFW language
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCCjFbFXn8

LMAO!!!

[bkndacn]

This just totally disgusted me... the lack of respect for authority in this country is getting worse day by day. I truly feel bad for my children / the next generation and what they have to deal with.

The worst part of all where the leaches that pulled out their camera-phones hoping to catch something that they could sell to the local news channels... like they where making things better!

[Damo]

Rather than actually protecting people, they'd rather spend their time pulling over any young person they can in hopes of scoring a DUI ticket.
You might want to re-read what you just wrote...

[TRDMarty]

Regardless of the bad language, TRDMarty is right in the likelihood that she will drag the thing through court, and waste everyone's time. Really, the legal system (can't call it a justice system now, can you?) loves stuff like that, 'cuz everyone makes SO MUCH money off it...

Sorry for the language.:frown:
I normally would never use EXTREME language on this forum, HOWEVER
I was really F-ckin pissed when I saw this on the news

[Aothachos]

I've been pulled over with my friends smoking weed before and I wasn't at all, not even my car and I didn't have anything on me. The cop chose to me to search and question, which was fine understandable. He brought me to the back of his car and had me put my hands on his trunk. Then he pushed me down on to the trunk and searched me, then a off-duty police officer in his personal vehicle pulls up and asks if he needs help he said no i was looking back with my head turned and the cop smashed my head into the trunk, lol my glasses got bent and all, and he took out my keys, nothing, took out my phone nothing, and took out my wallet went through it saw a picture of my 2 little sisters and gave me back my stuff and told me to go back to the car. I went and he came back, he took the small joint, and said he is letting us go (PS i blew 2 stop signs it was right around the corner from the house we were at didn't suspect he was around lol) well just got off with a warning no ticket, jail, nothing.

Obey the law and you wont have any problems, hell you may even get out of a serious situation without the law penalizing you for it. :)

I don't like the police all that much, some are pretty cool but you always have the dick's who make it look back for the rest of them yet i still respect them, they risk their lives i don't blame them for being so harsh and cruel at times, because it needs to be especially in today's society, my age group is a bunch of dumb asses there are only a few handful of people in my age group that are smart enough.

kids....lol

[Aothachos]

Really there are far more worse things happening in our country than to worry about the authorities doing their job, I do debt collections, its just my job to make you pay your bills if you really owe it, everyone has a job and some jobs are going to be good in a good/bad situation.

and a lot of these kids (even though i am one) are so sucked into this music world that tells them to disrespect authority and don't give in it ends up killing themselves, gangs, murders, and so on, life in prison just ruining their lives.

Just an example one song in todays age, kanye west he says in one of his songs

"F**k the police thats how i treat'em, we can buy our way out of jail but we can't buy freedom."

Catch the line there? so retarded and that is like a gun shot going off in a big group of people, kids just hear it right away instantly and give in to it.

The only reason why i hate authority and the legal system is because its all about money money money. "you want us to stop bothering you....." they basically ask you to bribe them "pay our system $250.00 and we won't bother you for that parking ticket...."

thats what i hate, if this world wasn't all about money how would it be...

[coffiend]

You might want to re-read what you just wrote...

I understand how you might read I to that, it was worded poorly.

What I meant was that cops HERE pull yound people over for absolutely nothing, and no matter what the circumstances are accuse you of being drunk.

If a person is drivong erratically then by all means pull then over and question them.

But when I'm driving the speedlimit and 100% sober why should I be pulle over simply because I haves black car and am a young guy. It's not only unfair bit a giant waste of time.

[STC]

What I meant was that cops HERE pull yound people over for absolutely nothing, and no matter what the circumstances are accuse you of being drunk.

But when I'm driving the speedlimit and 100% sober why should I be pulle over simply because I haves black car and am a young guy. It's not only unfair bit a giant waste of time.

No, it is systemic... It happens everywhere from small to large town or city. The police are "profiling" you, coffiend! This is very common when society gives up its liberty. Mind you, it is blatenly UN-Constitutional what is being done...:frown:

Time to take back our country and attempt to co-op those agents of social control...

[Aothachos]

When i was in highschool a sheriff came into my criminal justice class and he tlaked to us about people gettin pulled over and the top 10 reasons why, and being young was one of them, if your a young drive you are going to be followed and harassed by cops, the other top 10 were like for speeding, blowing a red light, seatbelt, drunk driving, etc.

[coffiend]

Haha I just re-read my last comment and am very surprised anyone could even read it. Sorry I'm posting from my iPhone.

But you are 100% correct. Police profile people. There's no question in my mind about it.

It is these types of things that make the youth lose respect for police.

I'm always courteous if I have a run-in with the cops, it's not because i am full of respect for them, it's because I am afraid they might drag my ass out of my car and beat me up.

I remember when I was a kid and I loved police, now when I see an officer in my rear view mirror my heart sinks and I get insanely nervous and uncumfortable. That's not the way things should be...

[TLyttle]

Profiling? Sure, I guess. Stats show that young drivers have the highest accident rates, and that drink/drugs are not considered impairment, but enhancement, by those (usually) guys.

The fact that there was weed in a car shows the kind of disrespect the cops are "profiling". It is time the youth understood that weed and other illicit drugs are killing thousands of people, both inside the US and without, and that there are no "innocent" users.

If I was a cop pulling over a carload of kids and smelled weed, the next step would be a night in the pokey for ALL of them, and an impounded car. What is it about breaking the law that they don't get??? Fight the law if you don't like it, don't flaunt it.

[coffiend]

sorry but I cant agree with you on that one TLyttle, although I dont smoke weed, I dont feel that it should be an illegal substance, and I do make my voice heard on that every chance I get.

You're saying that profiling is okay and pulling over young people without any real reasonable cause other than their age is okay because they are more accident prone?

well... if a study showed that more Honda got in accidents than Toyotas do you think that an officer should pull over every Honda he/she can? how is profiling young people any different than pulling over a black person for being black? or a hispanic for being hispanic? etc. etc.

it is no different. If an officer doesnt have any reasonable cause to pull an individual (a person is doing something illegal) then they should mind their own business and find something to do that is actually helping the community, thats all there is to it.

If thats how things were, my respect would be restored, but unfortunately that is never going to happen.

[Astroman]

There is not one reported case of anyone dying from smoking weed.

[STC]

There is not one reported case of anyone dying from smoking weed.

Yeppers!

This is propaganda controlled by the MSM (Mainstream Media). These lies (misinformation, disinformation) are only use to confuse the public into thinking weed is bad and leads to more dangerous drug use. This propaganda is specifically for helping the interests of the Big Tobacco, Alcohol, and Pharmaceutical Industries trans-nationally. You don't want to mess with these establishments and cut-out their business! Oh, and cigerretes, chew, alcohol, and pharmaceuticals... all legal substances and drugs are far more disasterous and detrimental to the well being of people than pot. They actually KILL!

I'm a conservative... and I don't smoke weed. Yet, I also don't think it should be illegal and all the harsh penalties placed ontop of it! The "War on Drugs" is a complete joke... a total lie!

Cheers!

[cali yaris]

I'm a conservative... and I don't smoke weed. Yet, I also don't think it should be illegal and all the harsh penalties placed ontop of it! The "War on Drugs" is a complete joke... a total lie!

Amen. I'm a liberal -- and I don't smoke either.

It's not the mainstream media, it's Dow Chemical and their peers that caused and continue to promote the misconceptions.

Historical Fact:

Marijuana was classified as a narcotic (which it isn't) because of strong lobbying efforts by Dow and other companies decades ago. Why? So hemp would be replaced by their nylon, rayon and other synthetic products.

[STC]

Amen. I'm a liberal -- and I don't smoke either.

It's not the mainstream media, it's Dow Chemical and their peers that caused and continue to promote the misconceptions.

Historical Fact:

Marijuana was classified as a narcotic (which it isn't) because of strong lobbying efforts by Dow and other companies decades ago. Why? So hemp would be replaced by their nylon, rayon and other synthetic products.

Exactly! Hemp and Marijuana are different! You cannot draw enough THC (active chemical ingredient) in hemp to get a high. It is all about the profits for Dow and other companies.

I'm a conservative as I stated... a fiscal conservative. Yet, when it comes to social issues... like these... to best descibe me would be a Libertarian... :smile:

Cheers!

[djct_watt]

sorry but I cant agree with you on that one TLyttle, although I dont smoke weed, I dont feel that it should be an illegal substance, and I do make my voice heard on that every chance I get.

You're saying that profiling is okay and pulling over young people without any real reasonable cause other than their age is okay because they are more accident prone?

well... if a study showed that more Honda got in accidents than Toyotas do you think that an officer should pull over every Honda he/she can? how is profiling young people any different than pulling over a black person for being black? or a hispanic for being hispanic? etc. etc.

it is no different. If an officer doesnt have any reasonable cause to pull an individual (a person is doing something illegal) then they should mind their own business and find something to do that is actually helping the community, thats all there is to it.

If thats how things were, my respect would be restored, but unfortunately that is never going to happen.

That makes sense. . . but you have to get into the definition of stereotyping and profiling. IE, to pull someone over who is in a beat up low rider, neon lights, with thumping bass, in a neighborhood where those kinds of cars just don't exist would probably be warranted. However, pulling over a black guy just because he is black is not, especially if it's a black guy in a suit driving a Ferrari. However, if you see some kid all dressed in Fubu and gold chains, driving a Smart car like he stole it. . . there might be a chance he did.

In a sense, you have to profile criminals and criminal behavior/red flags. Sometimes racial lines cross into the statistics (ie, odds are most people who dress "urban" in certain neighborhoods will likely be a minority), but profiling COMPLETELY on race IS a bad idea. A lot of judgement and discretion should be used. . .

. . . another scenario would be 3AM, a big group of youths walking, dressed in stereotypical rebel type clothing should probably deserve a second look (maybe not a full stop, but a second look, and a full stop if other things are noticed). However, a bunch of nerds dressed in star trek uniforms at 10PM probably do not need to be bothered.

Judgement and discretion is a critical part of cops' job, and without the ability to use them, a cop would be pretty much be useless.

It's easy to be against a police state where you are subject to search, but when I was living in Sacramento, my roommate's car was broken into 6 times in 1 year. My bicycle had been stolen. Another friend had his motorcycle stolen. My neighbor was raped. My friend and I were assaulted by a group of 10 drunk @#(*$#$@#$'s. I was lucky enough to not get badly injured, but my friend was hospitalized. I never committed any crimes, and I'd prefer to be "inconvenienced" if it meant that my friend didn't have to have his head bashed in and his face torn open. And you know what, there were tons of cops in the area. We even had a police station a few blocks away. But the thing is, most criminals (even the most stupid ones) will not commit a crime directly in front of an officer. . .

As long as things are kept reasonable, professional, and courteous, I am all over prevention methods, especially if they work.

It's easy to be against police when you never really fall victim to serious crimes.

[PETERPOOP]

BOOM!

[TLyttle]

Agreed, djct. My comment had to do with those who flaunt the law, and feel abused when they are taken out for it. Fight the law, don't flaunt it. We have hemp farms up here, and the farmers are always finding kids in the middle of the field huffing and puffing...

Cops have a really tough time, aprticularly in the US, where the gun laws are so lax. Our laws are tighter, and the cops suffer far fewer casualties, our citizens suffer far fewer casualties, but that is another subject. Cops profile ALL THE TIME, and we should be thankful they do. As far hassling a bunch of teens in a car (or on the street) is concerned, it isn't the group that is the threat, it is the attitude the group is projecting that the cops look for.

Way back when, we had curfews; they interfered with our "rights" apparently, so they outlawed them. Amazingly it was about that time that the cops started to lose control...

[tomato]

Everybody profiles in some way, not just cops. For example, I pay attention when I commute late at night and if a bunch of youths wearing large pants and large t shirts happens to pass by (you know the look), I become a bit more alert. We all do it to a degree.

This video makes me sad on many levels I don't know what to say.

On the one hand, I totally feel sorry for the cop, being completely outnumbered by the kids who could fly off the handle at any moment. I've driven and taken public transportation through similar neighborhoods many times and I can't imagine he's feeling too confident right now.

And then, the cop hits the girl, and my stomach kind of sinks even further and I feel totally bad for her, regardless of how she behaved before. Yes, she's wrong for resisting arrest. But I can also totally imagine how these kids grow up and why they feel the way they do towards "authority." Heck it doesn't take a genius to understand how these kids grow up, so yeah, part of me feels terrible for them too.

I don't know. This is all very sad indeed.

[tomato]

my daily commute:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant

Thankfully this is a rare incident, but still *sigh* :/

i spoke to some cops later on, and they don't understand how something like this could have happened.

so I watch the OP's video and I fear the worst could happen. When people get scared, you never can tell what's going to happen next :/

[sqcomp]

Isn't the bottom line, Don't break the law?

All the pigs must die! Oh wait, until someone I know needs the police...or until someone steals my stuff. Yeah! Until then, all pigs must die.

Notice the sarchasm. Some of you people are incredible.

[coffiend]

so a black guy dressed like a black guy should be profiled.

a rich black guy dressed like a white guy should not be.

right, got it.

[coffiend]

plus.... who really gets pulled over for jaywalking anyways?

Do you really think the cop would have stopped a rich white man in a suit if he was jaywalking.

I bet not.

that is what type of social injustice I am talking about.

"When Missouri issued its first such report on June 1, 2001, it showed black motorists were stopped a rate 30 percent higher than white drivers during a roughly four-month period in 2000. In 2009, that disparity was at 67 percent."

-KSPR news 33

"Police in Lancaster and Douglas counties pull over black drivers at about twice their percent of the local population.
Statewide, Hispanic and Native drivers are more than twice as likely as white drivers to have their cars searched after being pulled over."

- NE JOURNALSTAR regarding the Omaha area

"In Maryland from January 1995 through December 1997, 70 percent of the drivers stopped on Interstate 95 were African Americans. According to an ACLU survey conducted around that time, only 17.5 percent of the traffic and speeders on that road were African American.
Source: Cole, David, No Equal Justice: Race and Class in the American Criminal Justice System (New York: The New Press, 1999), p. 36."

"In Montgomery County, MD in 2001, “Blacks drivers were about three times as likely as whites to be asked if their vehicles could be searched. Of 450 searches, 197, or 43.8 percent, were of black drivers; 150 were of whites; and 78 were Hispanics.”
Source: Phuong, Ly, “Montgomery Traffic Data Show Race Disparity” Washington Post, Friday, November 2, 2001"

Go look up ACLU's "Driving While Black"

please do not try to convince me that profiling is okay for police.

Tomato, you mentioned that everybody profiles in some way, and you are correct in that. The difference is, police profile and have the power to impose their will, and we as citizens dont have the right to stop it....

[djct_watt]

so a black guy dressed like a black guy should be profiled.

a rich black guy dressed like a white guy should not be.

right, got it.

No. It doesn't matter if you're black or white or Asian or Mexican... If u dress like u came out of the projects, then it's shady. It's racist of you to assume that people looking like they came from the projects are necessarily black and that people who look wealthy are necessarily
white. If you wanna argue stats, yeah, you could, but it does not neccesitate a correlation.

[djct_watt]

Generally, people out in nice neighborhood don't dress like gang bangers or look like crack addicts...

[tomato]

@ AND189/ that wasn't funny.

[tomato]

No. It doesn't matter if you're black or white or Asian or Mexican... If u dress like u came out of the projects, then it's shady. It's racist of you to assume that people looking like they came from the projects are necessarily black and that people who look wealthy are necessarily
white. If you wanna argue stats, yeah, you could, but it does not neccesitate a correlation.

With respect, that's not what he said, at least I don't read his comment that way at all. :iono:

[PETERPOOP]

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[Altitude]

I've always been respectful towards the police and have never had a problem.

Pulled over for driving while young? Deal with it. If your youth is anything like mine was there's a good chance you are doing something illegal at any given moment, especially if you're in a car with a bunch of your friends. :wink: It'll all stop once you've reached a certain age and level of maturity and then it's your turn to laugh at all the young people getting harrassed.

[djct_watt]

With respect, that's not what he said, at least I don't read his comment that way at all. :iono:

I understand, and it's possible I misread the comment too. But my retort was a bit sarcastic too. It's the common belief that black people inherently dress "urban" and white people dress in suits. But in fact, it's not true. It has more to do with money than anything else. Yes, there are a few weirdos and wealthy rappers that dress like gangbangers (because sometimes they are). But for the most part; black, white or any race will tend to dress in more conventional upscale type clothing. Generally, those less fortunate cannot or choose not to dress that way (as they would probably be ridiculed for it).

But there are tons of white people (and white people who wish to portray an image) who dress urban. . . and subsequently get profiled by the cops too.

Hence, "so a black guy dressed like a black guy should be profiled.

a rich black guy dressed like a white guy should not be. " My understanding is that means that black people dressing like they inherently do is a social negative and that they need to adopt cultural ideas not of their own. But here's the irony of it all, "urban" clothing in itself is not native or inherent at all! They're all main stream brands sold and marketed by the very same clothing company that sell dorky t-shirts and nerdy clothing. And in fact, very many (the majority) of wealthy black people do not dress urban because they choose not to. Now if some black guy was pulled over because he was wearing some cultural african clothing, that'd be terrible!

But IMO, dress like a gangbanger, expect to be treated (and profiled) like a gangbanger. It has nothing to do with race. If eminem wasn't famous, he'd be profiled in a heartbeat. And so would a punk-rocker meth-head lookalike. . .

And my sarcastic point is that to assume that such clothing trends are inherent to race is in itself a racist perspective. The clothing trends, in actuality are inherent to social conditions.

[coffiend]

I'm not going to disect that argument.

I'm just going to leave this thread as gracefully as possible by saying that I whole heartedly disagree with you.

Now... I'm going to go look at sone pictures of yaris'

[TLyttle]

Of course, it may be an idea to talk to cops, find out how they think, hear some of their horror stories; in other words, get some perspective on the relationship between "them" and "us". Lots of young people I know would NEVER consider doing this, of course, allowing as how young guys are ALWAYS right...

[Damo]

plus.... who really gets pulled over for jaywalking anyways?
Have you ever had to scrape up someone off the road whos been hit by a car?
Theres an overpass above these kids and they are walking across (an obviously) dangerous section of road while EVERYONE around them seems to have no problem with the concept of the pedestrian overpass.

Cops like the one in this clip are sadly the same guys who have to clean up the mess when ignorant people think they know better.

Dont kid yourself - Jaywalking isnt just dumb, its LETHAL. When I see people doing it I not only want to fine them, but a good wake-up slap across the face is tempting also!

Just last week I was at an intersection and a woman was jaywalking using her baby/stroller as leverage. She was yelling a torrent of abuse at passers-by as they tooted their horns and shouted at her to get her kid off the road and show some common-sense. Sad that people like her are even allowed to have kids at all...

[bkndacn]

"In Maryland from January 1995 through December 1997, 70 percent of the drivers stopped on Interstate 95 were African Americans. According to an ACLU survey conducted around that time, only 17.5 percent of the traffic and speeders on that road were African American.
Source: Cole, David, No Equal Justice: Race and Class in the American Criminal Justice System (New York: The New Press, 1999), p. 36."

"In Montgomery County, MD in 2001, “Blacks drivers were about three times as likely as whites to be asked if their vehicles could be searched. Of 450 searches, 197, or 43.8 percent, were of black drivers; 150 were of whites; and 78 were Hispanics.”

Well I grew up near Baltimore and I can tell you right now that 95% of the black people who's vehicles where searched where probably caught with something. Id like to see the stats for that!
Im not being racist but the its a fact that Poorest areas around there are where most of the trouble comes from .... and it is a fact that those areas are predominantly black
so its not being racist but statistical!
its to the point back there that there are police cameras on every corner in the city!

[djct_watt]

"In Maryland from January 1995 through December 1997, 70 percent of the drivers stopped on Interstate 95 were African Americans. According to an ACLU survey conducted around that time, only 17.5 percent of the traffic and speeders on that road were African American.
Source: Cole, David, No Equal Justice: Race and Class in the American Criminal Justice System (New York: The New Press, 1999), p. 36."

"In Montgomery County, MD in 2001, “Blacks drivers were about three times as likely as whites to be asked if their vehicles could be searched. Of 450 searches, 197, or 43.8 percent, were of black drivers; 150 were of whites; and 78 were Hispanics.”

Well I grew up near Baltimore and I can tell you right now that 95% of the black people who's vehicles where searched where probably caught with something. Id like to see the stats for that!
Im not being racist but the its a fact that Poorest areas around there are where most of the trouble comes from .... and it is a fact that those areas are predominantly black
so its not being racist but statistical!
its to the point back there that there are police cameras on every corner in the city!

Although I am FAR from a bleeding heart liberal, I can agree that those stats should raise some eyebrows. If I were in the position to, I'd investigate into the matter. That doesn't mean anything would have to be changed, but I'd want to make sure people's rights were not being unfairly encroached upon. But if those busts are legitimate, they are taking criminals off the street, and they are being professional and courteous in their stops, then so be it. Good job, Baltimore P.D.

That having been said, I strongly question the accuracy of an ACLU survey. Surveys and polls are often biased and grossly inaccurate. The ACLU is more concerned with high profile Jesse Jackson cases, trying to incriminate innocent people, like the Duke LaCrosse guys (the whole thing was a sham as it turns out and the story was fabricated). The ACLU cares more improving its own situation, rather than the people's.

This is getting off topic, but it's NOT alarming that the demographics of criminals is so skewed. What is alarming is that there is nothing being done to help change that. . . and I when I say change I don't mean making less busts, but rather actively doing something to change the social economics that create the problem, ie improving urban schools, youth programs, college scholarships, etc. Fire some secretaries, beaurocratic assistants, lobbyists, and union leaders, and dump the money into increased salaries to attract and keep better qualified teachers. And throwing more money at something won't even necessarily improve it. Massive restructuring needs to take place. . .

[PerfectoII]

A little follow up...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37799281#37799281?from=en-us_msnhp&Gt1=43001

Nothing about this on our local news that I saw though...

[bkndacn]

That was undoubtedly a selfish apology... she was probably advised by her lawyer to do so to make her look better in court!

[detroiter]

I never once saw anyone ever get arrested or took aside for a talking, just for j-walking. It happens ALL the time in and around Detroit. I don't agree with the officer nailing the woman either BUT...

Adrenaline is a crazy thing. The officer has to assume that any physical attempt on him is potentionally dangerous or deadly. A routine traffic stop? Their is no such thing as a "routine traffic stop", each time could be the officers last. He/she doesn't know what that person is carrying or who they are. That other woman running her mouth should have just shut it and kept a bit of distance. And it doesn't help that the whole neighborhood gathers around like some spectacle and are more worried about some idiot resisting handcuffs (just because your handcuffed doesn't mean you won't be let go...it's half the time strictly for safety purposes) than for the officers own safety. Especially that one dumbass, "Yo man, did you get that on tape !?!"...what a joke.

[33OH]

Hitting anyone, male or female is not a good thing - but I have strong opinions the other way on this. I believe these situations only arise because we've allowed them to by pampering our kids...

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with people these days?

Heres a (probably less experienced) police officer, outnumbered and clearly needing help. (and probably some more training in restraining ppl) Dont kid yourselves - Women can be just as violent and dangerous when they get hot-headed. Rather than the community coming to ANYONES aide, we have 30 idiots just standing around with cameraphones - more concerned with waiting for the cop to mess up so they can get themselves on the nightly news.

SAD.

I guess Im a little old school here, but where is the respect for the law?

I train martial arts myself, and I can say first-hand - In an escalated situation ANYONE could do things in the spur of the moment that (upon reflection), they admittedly shouldnt have done - whether theyve been trained for it or not.

Most importantly, why the hell dont young people obey police anymore?

This is not not some guy asking her to dinner - Its a police officer giving her specific instructions. She was told to put her hands on the boot of the car and she snapped.
Its completely disrespectful - and her friend is moronic for sticking her nose into the situation in the first place. Obviously her friend came to his senses and pulled her out of the foray when he realized the mess she was getting herself into.

If police arent conducting themselves in a respectful manner towards the public, there are things you can do. Get a badge number and report them. You can actually have their job for it. Before you do though, perhaps have a think about the horrible job they have, dealing with people who consider themselves more important than the laws the rest of society have to abide by.

When it comes to police - Do WHAT you're told WHEN you're told, and fight about it later.

:clap:

[Damo]

...And hey, she should consider herself lucky. It is Detroit - She could have been 'arrested' by ED-209... And we all know how that panned out for poor ol Kenny. :)

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/ed209.jpg