Drove a Turbo Yaris

[TheRealEnth]

Hey, I had the opportunity to drive cdydjded's yaris. For one, I can tell you that the car runs fine. It also looks really nice with the drop and rims, but thats besides the point ;D. It really pushes, I don't remember exactly how much hp it was pushing, but it felt great. Its enough to satisfy any yaris owner =D. Ive seen him drive around my area for a while now and know that it is his daily driver. I am really left amazed with it and am looking forward to boosting my own yaris. I will be getting his kit soon and ill keep you guys posted on any updates.

[cali yaris]

great!

[djgab101]

lucky guy!!

[PETERPOOP]

The kit has been taking forever to come out! lol. The $2500 turbo kit. When I actually thought I'd be buying it! Oh well

[TheRealEnth]

it hasn't taken forever. He can have them available to people, Just nobody actually puts money down. They all go oooooh i wish i had a turbo!!!! -hands a turbo kit- OH OH I MEAN.... mmmm i have stuff to pay.. maybe in 6 months. and they never get around to buying one, they just speculate and dream

[PETERPOOP]

Um no?

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7984&highlight=%242500+turbo+kit

Not including the other 2 "update" threads that are there too.

[cali yaris]

He can have them available to people, Just nobody actually puts money down.

Really? A complete kit exists for sale, now? Shippable? First I heard about it.

I've been cheering this guy on since the beginning, but in fact the product has not come to market, or at least has not been advertised as being available. That is NOT a criticism of him, by the way.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

it hasn't taken forever. He can have them available to people, Just nobody actually puts money down. They all go oooooh i wish i had a turbo!!!! -hands a turbo kit- OH OH I MEAN.... mmmm i have stuff to pay.. maybe in 6 months. and they never get around to buying one, they just speculate and dream

I can vouch for this. As soon as I announced my plan to turbocharge he PM'ed me offering to put together a kit for $2500. There really isn't a big enough demand to merit him to have kits ready for sale all the time... I believe the same happened with a company that I'm "not supposed to mention on these forums" as well.

[cali yaris]

There really isn't a big enough demand to merit him to have kits ready for sale all the time...

I disagree, but respect whatever he wants to do. I would have bought 5 kits straight up from him to resell.

Who are you not supposed to mention? I didn't know we were being censored.

[tk-421]

Who are you not supposed to mention? I didn't know we were being censored.

Beats me :iono:

[PETERPOOP]

MICROIMAGE FOR THE WIN!!!!

[frownonfun]

idk i dropped over 3k on a S/C kit and an amount about equal to that on crap that i haven't even had a chance to put on so i don't know about NO ONE being willing to put up the cash.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Who are you not supposed to mention? I didn't know we were being censored.

Zero Point Industries. I believe only one or two of their kits for the Yaris ever actually sold, whereas if you look on Scionlife there's a different used ZPI kit for a tC up almost everyday. No offense to anyone, but our cars don't exactly attract flocks of people who have the balls to try forced induction. :iono:

That aside, I'd love to see an affordable bolt-on turbo kit. Atm, Zage is the closest to that but it's... eh.

And on topic: I'm soooo jealous lol.

[cali yaris]

ZPI, yeah it's actually entertaining to talk about them. I have my own stories, best suited to a Scion thread. :wink:

I've sold 11 supercharger kits. Most of those people would have been happy to spend $1000 less on Carlos' turbo kit. plus the 5 I would buy for stock. That's like 15 sales right off the bat. And there are more people waiting for a kit to be marketed (which is why I"m designing my own).

It is super fun to drive the yaris with more power!

[PETERPOOP]

I would have glady bought this kit if it was out when it seemed like it would be. Then I wouldn't have had to throw down the bucks for a S/C and with every supporting mod to try and get as much power as a moderate turbo'd yaris would put down. However, I wanted more power ASAP, and it was about supply & demand/reliability during that time. Definately can't count me in your stereotype.

[zachryboles]

ill buy the kit when i can be more than 50% sure it wont f&*(* my baby up. That's pretty much the only thing keeping me from getting into FI. A kit that will give me between 130-150hp without wrecking the car and Im sold

im with you there broda... im excited to see what Garm does with the turbo kit and he is honestly the only person i would trust on the matter to sell me a complete kit. but honestly i just dont want to blow my load if you know what i mean lol :biggrin:

[cdydjded]

First of all thank you "TheRealEnth" for posting you honest thoughts on my car. Second, Iv always have been able to make a custom kit for anyone that was willin to buy one. I sent numerous PM's to people when they showed interest in a kit. Peterpoop was the closest I got to sell a kit. We went back & forth & honestly it was my fault that he went SC instead of turbo. @ the time I was starting my own business & well I was more concerned with it than the kit. So I stopped posting results.

As of today & from the beginning, I can offer a kit to those interested. It would be a custom kit. It would be built to order. I do not & will not build 2-3 kits so they sit on the shelf. Ask Garm how many manifolds has he sold. My though is very few since when he came out with them they were somewhere around $400 & now they are $250. I might be wrong & if I am I apologize for my assumption.

I see here posted & read before comments like "what Garm does with the turbo kit and he is honestly the only person i would trust on the matter to sell me a complete kit", Comment like that deter me & any other company to invest in a kit. Honestly Garm is a great person. I have the utmost respect towards him. When it comes to the Yaris he is an innovator. He has done to his car what most people dream about. I commend him on that. But when Garm comes out with a kit it will not be built by him, it will be built buy the guy who does all the work on Garm's car, which is Art. Again if Im wrong I apologize.

So for those truly interested in a kit, PM me. I can make them a kit to meet there needs.

[cali yaris]

Manifolds: I am price matching Dezod, like any good business should do.

Manifold part 2: Customers have made it clear that they don't want to make their own kit from parts -- kind of the whole point of you offering a kit, right? ... in spite of that I've sold 6 manifolds so far. (pretty sure they are not all for Yaris owners)

Your post did not attend to my comment to buy five kits. Interesting. Can't do that right now, just to be clear, but could have in previous months.
In this market, there is no reason to have two similar competing kits out there, Carlos; I've made that clear before, even on the phone with you.

As for me not doing it myself, you are correct. While Art is designing and fitting a kit with me, he will not be fabricating it. For consistency, that is best left to a high quality fabrication shop we will use.

As for you offering a complete kit "from the beginning", show me the post, because I missed it.

[cdydjded]

Manifolds: Again I apologized in advance, so I stand corrected.

Manifolds part deux: Im glad you sold 6 manifolds.

You never told me that you were willing to buy my kit. If you would have maybe we would be selling my kit on your site.

My whole point on this issue is the following:

I have a custom made kit on my car
I can duplicate that custom kit for anyone else interested
I have contacted all those interested in a kit
No one has stepped up to the plate

[cdydjded]

Sorry forgot to address you last point: "As for you offering a complete kit "from the beginning", show me the post, because I missed it"

I said specifically:
"As of today & from the beginning, I can offer a kit to those interested. It would be a custom kit. It would be built to order"

Iv offered to build 1 off kit numerous times through PM's. I guess I assumed that people would realize that I could make custom kits. I do believe that on my post about the kit I had mentioned that I had made jigs for the manifold/downpipe & made 5 I/C pipe kits.

Regardless of what I have or have not said, If you want to something together Im willin if you are. Like you said earlier "there is no reason to have two similar competing kits out there".

Here is the post to backup what I say above:
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26100

[cali yaris]

I guess I assumed that people would realize that I could make custom kits.

I don't think they did. I didn't. I mean, I knew you could but I didn't know you were taking orders.

cool now its clear, I appreciate that. You have a PM.

[cali yaris]

btw, thanks to realenth for opening up the discussion. I know you didn't mean for this thread to evolve, but the result is really good information. :clap:

[PETERPOOP]

See I told you! I was going to buy one. lol. Oh wells, wasn't meant to be.

Cdydedje: Am I wrong, but I thought you were not running management on your turbo kit right now? Or was it not tuned yet?

[cdydjded]

Running AEM FIC. Iv street tuned tune it. Dyno tune eventually. It works, Im only using the fuel option. Since I have the 1ZZ injectors, Im only removing fuel, and that works like a charm. Believe it or not, without the FIC pulling fuel my gas mileage goes to shit. And once I plug it back in I recover alot of the MPG I loose.

[zachryboles]

just wondering though Garm, how far off are you to completing a "kit" at this point.... no rush but im just honestly curious now.

[cali yaris]

just missing a downpipe to test what we have. However, Carlos has been running his on the street for months, which says a lot.

If I choose to put my name behind what he makes, I will support the sale 100% like I do with every other product I sell.

[advocate]

Wow. This thread is getting ridiculously awesome.

I completely forgot I was at work for the entire duration of me reading it =)

I'm anxiously awaiting to hear from Cdyj / Carlos? & Garm on if they're going to work together and what the kit will be like etc.

I was looking to do a 2ZZ swap but this turbo kit could be a more reliable, cheaper, more realistic goal. And also a great chance to support Yaris vendors.

Keep us updated!

[RacerFreakXXX]

Even I was sent a PM to buy the kit, and you get what you pay for. My only issue is looks. We all know the kit performs well, but it's not pleasing to my eye. Ex Zage vs cdydjded's kit:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=439&pictureid=2658

http://www.multimakmurperformance.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/img_8945thumbnailbig.jpghttp://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=34468&stc=1&d=1276731591

this is most ascetically pleasing IMO:
http://www.turbodynamic.net/content/garage-detail.php?gid=96
http://www.turbodynamic.net/garage/96_1.jpg

We do need a reliable turbo kit in the US. It would be nice to also see a manifold and down-pipe sold together for the yaris. I think if you were going to sell a kit you should be able to opt for what kind of bov, ems, and/ or injectors you want or opt not to have them. I also think if you are going to sell a kit with ems, it would be nice to include some sort of plug in option. Even N/A guys would love to be able to just "plug and play". I'm sure they would sell if available. I know they had them for the xb, just 2 pins were different or something like that. IMO that probably scares off people, but being able to have 100% fit would be nice.

The only thing stopping me from buying a Zage kit now is that I stopped working overtime and lost an extra $500 a month and I've been spending it on going out. I need to start saving again and I'm trying to get more overtime again.

Overall IMO someone needs to buy the zage kit and try it and/or someone needs to make a reliable one and market it. You also need to realize most people don't see a value in paying 4k for a supercharger that has minimal gains so they don't save. If a kit with a reasonable price tag has good gains people will save and spend the money. So it may take some time before people buy them but "if you build it, they will come."

[cali yaris]

IMO someone needs to buy the zage kit and try it and/or someone needs to make a reliable one and market it.

That's the point of this thread.

OPTION 1
Go ahead and buy the Zage, see if everything fits, good luck with customer service if it doesn't, with wiring and with tuning.

OPTION 2
Buy a complete kit, every part included, even a base map, WITH instructions, that has been run on a USDM car for months with no issues, and backed by me, Carlos, or both of us together.

Any questions?

[PETERPOOP]

Any questions?



Yah (if I wasn't S/C'd), where do I sign up!?!?

[cali yaris]

further:

You also need to realize most people don't see a value in paying 4k for a supercharger that has minimal gains

Sorry but this is also incorrect. "Most people" actually have seen a value so far, and are reasonably happy with their superchargers and the performance gains. And it's $3400 shipped (or it was from me, anyway), not $4000; please don't exaggerate to make your point.

[RacerFreakXXX]

Well lets figure in intake, header, and injectors will bring you to about $40000. You would be replacing all those parts with the turbo kit. Also when all you have is a supercharger, it's all you have. If Greddy had made a turbo kit, it might have been different. Either way I'm sorry if I over exaggerated the number. I still would rather pay $2500 for a turbo kit then $4000 with a supercharger w/ injectors, intake, and header.

[frownonfun]

well in all reality MOST people don't see any value in any performance mods for an econobox but somehow companies still make and sell performance parts for the yaris. some people are obviously buying.

[PETERPOOP]

Well lets figure in intake, header, and injectors will bring you to about $40000. You would be replacing all those parts with the turbo kit. Also when all you have is a supercharger, it's all you have.

Dude, we had this discussion in your previous thread. The blitz kit is plug and play and your set. You DON'T NEED a intake/header/injectors. Even if you did, it can still be less than $4,000.

[cdydjded]

Racer: beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. There is a reason my kit looks like it does & Zage's kit looks the way it looks. I cant speak for Zage's reasoning for their design so Ill just explain mine.

1 When I designed my kit I took in account the amount of bends the I/C will have. I made the kit to have the least amount of bends. For example, the inlet pipe on the compressor side, my kit has 2 bends, Zage has 3.

2 The routing I use does not interfere with the ground clearance of the car. For example, Zage routes their pipes under the car, I dont.

3 I designed the kit to have a minimal amount of 90 degree bends. Example look a the pipe by the throttle body on the Zage kit, an immediate 90 degree, look @ mine 45 degree.

4 My turbo has the cold side toward the passenger side & the hot side towards the
driver side. That was done so my downpipe would be a 90 degree bend out & 2.5" in diameter. Zage is completely opposite of mine. Their downpipe is c shaped then 90 degree & 2.0" diameter.

So what Im stating here is I thought out very well what I was doing. And I feel my designed beats Zage's designed by 10 folds. But thats only my 2 cents.......

[Nexus1155]

Yes, ideally you want piping with the least turbulent bends in it, but you also want to minimize length of piping as well.

I have this one kid i know that has his piping wrapped around everything and in front of his intercooler. Check this out I am sure you'll lawl.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs013.ash2/34028_136604813017325_100000034206400_398803_71357 58_n.jpg

[cali yaris]

oh wow that is extreme, thanks for showing that.

[advocate]

I agree that cdydjded's kit could be better looking but you can't argue performance. Better piping = spool faster = better overall kit.

I would worry more about the fact that we're crazy enough to boost an econo box before worrying about what cdydjded's kit will look like when the hood is popped =)

[Jerkratt]

+1

[Nexus1155]

LOL np, I like the kid, but its like were two different people. There are ricers and then there are wrenchers and he argues that his piping is more efficient and produces more power everytime.

Hahah also theres a kid on my forums, that stresses backpurging of welds when he was making manifolds and downpipes, that it will severely make his kit a better overall kit.

Honestly, as long as it is a nice functional well thought out kit, you can just powdercoat crap yourself later....

[TheRealEnth]

Wow, this thread expanded quick. I am in need of fixing my front end before i get a kit. I will see how soon i can get this done.

[RacerFreakXXX]

Racer: beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. There is a reason my kit looks like it does & Zage's kit looks the way it looks. I cant speak for Zage's reasoning for their design so Ill just explain mine.

1 When I designed my kit I took in account the amount of bends the I/C will have. I made the kit to have the least amount of bends. For example, the inlet pipe on the compressor side, my kit has 2 bends, Zage has 3.

2 The routing I use does not interfere with the ground clearance of the car. For example, Zage routes their pipes under the car, I dont.

3 I designed the kit to have a minimal amount of 90 degree bends. Example look a the pipe by the throttle body on the Zage kit, an immediate 90 degree, look @ mine 45 degree.

4 My turbo has the cold side toward the passenger side & the hot side towards the
driver side. That was done so my downpipe would be a 90 degree bend out & 2.5" in diameter. Zage is completely opposite of mine. Their downpipe is c shaped then 90 degree & 2.0" diameter.

So what Im stating here is I thought out very well what I was doing. And I feel my designed beats Zage's designed by 10 folds. But thats only my 2 cents.......

I agree your design is ultimately better than Zage's. I personally want a kit exactly like Garm's turbo kit but built for a t25. My goal is more power, but I'm not looking for the most power. I just have an idea of how I want my car to be and that's that. If I have to custom make piping I will. It would be nice to see you sell the kit with an ems that is pre-tuned, good luck and I hope you do build enough interest int he kit. It would be nice to see the yaris more popular in the tuning community. If I had to choose I would probably choose yours over the zage, but in reality I'm going to just build my own.

[cdydjded]

Thanks for you compliments. What is you HP goal? It makes little sense to sell my kit with the AEM FIC pre tuned. The reason being the different temperature, elevation & humidity in different parts of the US. A car tuned in Miami were the humidity is also in the 90 to 100% range will not perform the same in the dry heat of Arizona for example.

[lilredrocket]

Honestly, as long as it is a nice functional well thought out kit, you can just powdercoat crap yourself later....

Exactly!! A little splash of color goes a long way or if your into the look you could polish the piping.

[lilredrocket]

Thanks for you compliments. What is you HP goal? It makes little sense to sell my kit with the AEM FIC pre tuned. The reason being the different temperature, elevation & humidity in different parts of the US. A car tuned in Miami were the humidity is also in the 90 to 100% range will not perform the same in the dry heat of Arizona for example.

No it will act differently but will give a decent starting point for tuning.

[RacerFreakXXX]

YW...that was my main point, it would be nice to have some sort of base tune to go off of. My goal HP is 140-145whp. I'm worried anything over that will start causing major damage in the engine, mainly in the winter when you get boost creep, but maybe I'm wrong?

[Nexus1155]

See racer, this is a common misconception among a lot of people saying that the engine cannot handle the power, and everyone I have seen that say this has not had a proper tune done to their vehicle. You need to make sure the thing is reacting safely before you drive it. 10* of KR is not safe LMAO.

Look at Chinos car, got it tuned, and it has never driven better with proper AFR and everything.

On a side note I just burnt my face off using this new lotion at my tanning salon

[TheRealEnth]

you guys are impossible

[cali yaris]

It makes little sense to sell my kit with the AEM FIC pre tuned.

It makes the most sense.

It may not perform the same, but many turbo kits come with a pre-loaded map and management. At least the car will start and can be driven to the tuner's shop, instead of being towed.

So you can strongly recommend that the customer tune the car after a successful install in your instructions, do all the necessary disclaimers, and still provide your map that works on your car.

I don't understand the resistance to providing a complete product that will just need some local tweaking.

[RacerFreakXXX]

I think someone should tune the kit in a 70* temp at mid height above sea level at average humidity, then you could really say it wouldn't matter that much. I would definitely insist on a pretune map on my ems, otherwise it's no different then building your own kit.

[cdydjded]

It makes the most sense.

It may not perform the same, but many turbo kits come with a pre-loaded map and management. At least the car will start and can be driven to the tuner's shop, instead of being towed.

So you can strongly recommend that the customer tune the car after a successful install in your instructions, do all the necessary disclaimers, and still provide your map that works on your car.

I don't understand the resistance to providing a complete product that will just need some local tweaking.

Ok fine, If I sell a kit with a AEM FIC Ill install a base map. No big deal. BTW if you install my kit with or without the AEM FIC the car is drivable from the first moment. It will not have to be towed to the tuner shop. If you stay out of boost the car will run like it did not have a kit. If you get into boost the car will just run lean.

[cali yaris]

ok fine, done with that. :smile:

am I waiting for you or are you waiting for me?

[PETERPOOP]

One quick question to Carlos (or if Garm knows too), will the kit still be selling for $2500?

[cdydjded]

ok fine, done with that. :smile:

am I waiting for you or are you waiting for me?

Umm not sure, I sent you the list parts, did you get it? Also by any chance do you still have the GT25 you used when you first boosted the car?

[PETERPOOP]

Price?

[cali yaris]

we'll get to that peter my man.

I sold the GT25 I had. I got the parts list.

[justjesus]

ooh. fancy. I like where this is going. Dang it. I better get a job soon.

Side note: Garm, was taking my course walk when I overheard some folk's talking about a SC yaris that beat his Vette! I laughed a little, and talked to the dude. Told him it was me, in Long's car. But, turns out, it was YOU in the turbo beast. I had a good laugh over that one!

Back to topic: when does the warranty expire on the Yaris? 30K, 50K???
(huh, that WASN'T the topic!)

[PETERPOOP]

Garm beat a vette!?

[eTiMaGo]

dude the Garmmobile can beat the Space Shuttle on final approach!

[RacerFreakXXX]

Garm you need to get a "Vette Killer" sticker and put stars on your fender every time you kill one

[lilredrocket]

He said course walk I take it he was meaning auto-x.

[cali yaris]

^ yes, it's the nationals this weekend. I can't race both days, but I would have taken 2nd place in CSM if I did. Kinda disappointed, but stuff happens to limit my availability.

The corvettes are powerful and great on road course, but pretty heavy for the more technical autocrossing. The two '89 Civics spank everyone, every time.

[scape]

just to sum up: what would this kit typically include, and what else would be expected/recommended beyond what the kit would come with?
I vote for a base mapping for 80 degrees, sea level, and ~40-50% humidity: that'd effectively cover many people and could be done relatively easy in a miami-based shop; many would be appreciative of a tune-out-the-door so to speak.
hypothetically, where does this put the power figures with the rough concept of this kit?

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Dibs on being the guinea pig (if one is even necessary) if it nets me a discount. :tongue:

I don't think you guys could have picked a better time to collaborate lmao. I almost flat out bought the Zage kit (and I still may), but now I potentially have options! :eek:

And I gotta agree with almost everyone here - a base tune would be VERY beneficial.

[RacerFreakXXX]

Dibs on being the guinea pig (if one is even necessary) if it nets me a discount. :tongue:

The kit has been running on the guys car for like a year now and makes 150-160whp. My concern besides a base map is the line from the oil pan, will you include a tapped pan, or will we have to tap ourselves. I just ask because I have to travel 1-2hrs away to go to a shop if i can find anyone locally to do it. I'm 99% sure I can, but it may be the same or worse for other people wanting to buy the kit. I guess you guys will work out the datails but If I was going to buy the kit I would want: manifold, turbo, downpipe (with bung for air/fuel) , intercooler, piping, oil pan with tap, lines and fittings, manual boost controller, BOV (with option for hks or greddy), EMS with basemap, and all hardware & instruction needed.

also are you going to do both water and oil cooled lines? and pnp harness option?

[PETERPOOP]

The kit has been running on the guys car for like a year now and makes 150-160whp.

Dyno sheet please.

[RacerFreakXXX]

he has them posted in his pics, thiese look like the ones w/o the 1zz-fe injectors.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=440&pictureid=2662
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=440&pictureid=2661

[PETERPOOP]

thanks. i haven't seen these yet. could the torque be increased with a proper dyno tune? I mean, obviously all numbers will probably increase, but is the gap between HP and TQ usually similar to what is shown there on turbo applications?

[cdydjded]

thanks. i haven't seen these yet. could the torque be increased with a proper dyno tune? I mean, obviously all numbers will probably increase, but is the gap between HP and TQ usually similar to what is shown there on turbo applications?

Absolutely I could increase both HP & TQ by fine tunning it with the AEM FIC. But honestly I want to stay in the 150-155HP range. I feel that is the safest range of power for the stock pistons & rods. That not to say that I couldnt make more HP just for a race or something.

[cdydjded]

he has them posted in his pics, thiese look like the ones w/o the 1zz-fe injectors.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=440&pictureid=2662
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=440&pictureid=2661

The first one is with the 1ZZ's, the second one is with the stock injectors. Neither had correction from the AEM FIC.

[cdydjded]

The kit has been running on the guys car for like a year now and makes 150-160whp. My concern besides a base map is the line from the oil pan, will you include a tapped pan, or will we have to tap ourselves. I just ask because I have to travel 1-2hrs away to go to a shop if i can find anyone locally to do it. I'm 99% sure I can, but it may be the same or worse for other people wanting to buy the kit. I guess you guys will work out the datails but If I was going to buy the kit I would want: manifold, turbo, downpipe (with bung for air/fuel) , intercooler, piping, oil pan with tap, lines and fittings, manual boost controller, BOV (with option for hks or greddy), EMS with basemap, and all hardware & instruction needed.

also are you going to do both water and oil cooled lines? and pnp harness option?

Originally I was going to include the Zage pan. I bought one put it on my car & it does not work. The only other option is for the installer to drill a hole on the upper portion of the factory pan.

As for the turbo, option 1, which will be a T28, has for both water & oil but only the oil is absolutely necessary. The water is optional. Option 2, which will be a GT2554R will need both I believe.

[cali yaris]

I think the GT28 on a stock motor is not the appropriate turbo. It would be doggish at 6 psi. The GT25 worked great on my stock motor, it's nimble, spools fast and delivers the power range intended for the kit we're working on.

My intention is to have Carlos build a 2nd kit that I can use for a test car. With two test cars, I think we'll have solid and reliable data. We'll also all have proof (which some people will want to see) that Carlos delivers quality, on time. I believe in him, but it's faith til a kit shows up in a box, if you know what I mean. NO disrespect intended, just to be clear!

[RacerFreakXXX]

+1 on the gt28, a gt25 would be the best choice w/o a built motor and even then it can still destroy our motor at mid to high psi.

[cdydjded]

FYI & I wont claim to have always known this but a there is very little difference in between the GT2554R & a GT2854R. They are both exactly the same size physically. The only difference in the between the 2 is the size of the turbine wheel. The GT2554R is 53mm & the GT2854R is 53.8mm.
GT2554R specs:
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT25/GT2554R_471171_3.htm
GT2854R specs:
http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT28/GT2854R_471171_9.htm

[RacerFreakXXX]

so why go gt28 over the gt25?

[cdydjded]

I think there is a little confusion here, I never said we were going to use a GT28, I said a T28. The difference between the two is that the T28 in not ball bearing as opposed to the GT28 which is. Also the GT28 is made by Garrett & the T28 is not.

[cali yaris]

thanks for clarifying that, I think I created the confusion.

As for gt25 vs gt28, there sure is a difference in spooling up.

[TheRealEnth]

This is getting exciting.

[PETERPOOP]

it hasn't taken forever. He can have them available to people, Just nobody actually puts money down. They all go oooooh i wish i had a turbo!!!! -hands a turbo kit- OH OH I MEAN.... mmmm i have stuff to pay.. maybe in 6 months. and they never get around to buying one, they just speculate and dream

Let's just hope this won't be you.

[Thirty-Nine]

Mmmm ... turbo. Sorry I got nothin'.

[pimp my yaris]

Personally cdydjded, I think the industrial look is great. That kit looks like it seriously gonna whoop some ass. It would have all kinds of people asking questions when U pop the hood. Being a mechanic for about 12 years, functional is always better at the stop light then pretty. Its better to spank their ass and then ask how much they spent on their chrome later!
What did U use to street tune? Is a wide band A/F ratio sensor and guage all that is needed. Or what other equipment is needed if any?

[cali yaris]

FIC can be tuned with a laptop. My car has the EMS, but same idea. We street tuned also before going to the dyno for tweaking.

[cdydjded]

Personally cdydjded, I think the industrial look is great. That kit looks like it seriously gonna whoop some ass. It would have all kinds of people asking questions when U pop the hood. Being a mechanic for about 12 years, functional is always better at the stop light then pretty. Its better to spank their ass and then ask how much they spent on their chrome later!
What did U use to street tune? Is a wide band A/F ratio sensor and guage all that is needed. Or what other equipment is needed if any?

Thx for the compliments. I used the good old fashion butt dyno first to tune the AEM FIC. Eventually Ill throw is back on the dyno. Im also installing a AEM wide band soon so Ill use that in conjuction with the butt dyno...

[Nexus1155]

Thx for the compliments. I used the good old fashion butt dyno first to tune the AEM FIC. Eventually Ill throw is back on the dyno. Im also installing a AEM wide band soon so Ill use that in conjuction with the butt dyno...

Wait, so you tuned it by feel without knowing what AFR you are? Or did you have it on the dyno, or atleast have a handheld wideband and stuck a tailpipe sniffer in the back? Please tell me you did.

What would also be cool i think that Garm or someone mentioned in a previous thread is a downpipe with multiple bungs and one is sealed off until later use, I do not know if your kit has this already.

And whoever was arguing about the GT25 vs. GT28, joey is right, the ones that he listed are almost identical turbos with the same fingerprint maps if you look at them. There is a slight difference, yes, but nothing extremely significant. Something more substantial would be a GT2860R + or something. larger

[cali yaris]

which 28 is the disco potato?

[cdydjded]

Here you go:

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobygarrett/catelog/Turbochargers/GT28/GT2860RS_739548_1.htm

[Mouse]

I wouldn't mind driving or just taking a ride in your turbo yaris.....Simply cause it might sway me from getting something else.

[cdydjded]

I wouldn't mind driving or just taking a ride in your turbo yaris.....Simply cause it might sway me from getting something else.

No Problem, PM me your #.....

[Russelt3hPirate]

I don't think we'll be turbocharging our yaris before we get a LSD but I like what I'm seeing here.

[TheRealEnth]

the front end of my vehicle is underway ;D, replacing bumper brace, and lower radiator support. And one more piece needs to be replaced >.< dont know what its called. headed to dealership on saturday to figure out what the part number is.

[advocate]

Sounds like you guys are going to have this ready in perfect timing for be to buy it =)

Also, I have to vote that selling something with a tune map preinstalled would be a HUGE help.

Tuning costs can be huge and are something some people might not consider before actually buying the kit.

A tune designed to run in California would be just awesome... we do have one of the highest populations / per state so it could be used by lots of people!

[fnkngrv]

Any status update on this? Not to be cliche, but after doing a few months research it is becoming more and more of a daunting task to swap a 2zz into my sedan. I mean a decent rebuilt 2zz will run 5-7k alone just for the long block. No tranny, no EMS, no LSD, no upgraded suspension, no exhaust system. My real goal would be the 150-160hp range which sounds like it could be a solid and stable setup that is in the works.

[coheed]

Any status update on this? Not to be cliche, but after doing a few months research it is becoming more and more of a daunting task to swap a 2zz into my sedan. I mean a decent rebuilt 2zz will run 5-7k alone just for the long block. No tranny, no EMS, no LSD, no upgraded suspension, no exhaust system. My real goal would be the 15-160hp range which sounds like it could be a solid and stable setup that is in the works.

+1 Im also wondering what all your kit includes cdydjded?

[cdydjded]

My kit will be complete. Turbo, manifold, downpipe, all nuts, bolts, gaskets needed, I/C with piping, hose & t bolt clamps, injectors, everything! No cutting will be necessary, only drilling & a small amount of grinding. The only parts I do not include in my kit are:
Exhaust
Gauges
AEM FIC or eManage

But I can add those above items or any others as an option.....

[coheed]

My kit will be complete. Turbo, manifold, downpipe, all nuts, bolts, gaskets needed, I/C with piping, hose & t bolt clamps, injectors, everything! No cutting will be necessary, only drilling & a small amount of grinding. The only parts I do not include in my kit are:
Exhaust
Gauges
AEM FIC or eManage

But I can add those above items or any others as an option.....

Well I'm wanting to do 10psi daily and bump it up for track days. Things I'm concerned about are:

1. Will I need to sleeve the block if going to 15psi on the track maybe once every 2 months (if that)?
2. Will the injectors you supply be enough for 10psi everyday?
3. Will I have to upgrade coils at that boost level?

According to zage's website they got 190bhp at .5 bar (7ish psi), so I was wanting to shoot for a lil over 200 at 10psi daily. And you've probably posted this but I'm to lazy to search for it right now, what turbo and trim would this be using? I was thinking t28 or gt28 with 54-64 trim level, in that range.

The only reason I posted this in this thread is someone may want this info in the future and maybe other people have input on my questions.

[cali yaris]

1. no
2. 10 yes, 15 probably not.
3. no

The Yaris stock fuel system runs out at about 13 psi. Above that, you'll need a stronger pump, and at some point a return line.

Best turbo for 150-200 is a GT25 so you get a nimble spool-up. A GT28 is going to feel laggy.

[coheed]

1. no
2. 10 yes, 15 probably not.
3. no

The Yaris stock fuel system runs out at about 13 psi. Above that, you'll need a stronger pump, and at some point a return line.

Best turbo for 150-200 is a GT25 so you get a nimble spool-up. A GT28 is going to feel laggy.

Thanks for chiming in garm. I was planning on upgrading to a Walbro 255 anyway. Was also planning on getting 550cc(small/large?) injectors too.

[cdydjded]

Well I'm wanting to do 10psi daily and bump it up for track days. On a stock motor with stock rods & pistons i would not suggest to run more than 8lbs maxThings I'm concerned about are:

1. Will I need to sleeve the block if going to 15psi on the track maybe once every 2 months (if that)? The factory sleeves are not the problem, the issue is the factory pistons & rods
2. Will the injectors you supply be enough for 10psi everyday? Apply above answers
3. Will I have to upgrade coils at that boost level? No

According to zage's website they got 190bhp at .5 bar (7ish psi), so I was wanting to shoot for a lil over 200 at 10psi daily. And you've probably posted this but I'm to lazy to search for it right now, what turbo and trim would this be using? I was thinking t28 or gt28 with 54-64 trim level, in that range.

The only reason I posted this in this thread is someone may want this info in the future and maybe other people have input on my questions.

If you want 200hp you will have to upgrade the pistons & rods on the 1NZ. My kit or any for that matter, on an 1NZ with upgraded pistons/rods & other supporting mods (fuel system & good tune) will make 225-250hp @ 10-15lbs.

[coheed]

If you want 200hp you will have to upgrade the pistons & rods on the 1NZ. My kit or any for that matter, on an 1NZ with upgraded pistons/rods & other supporting mods (fuel system & good tune) will make 225-250hp @ 10-15lbs.

I was deffinitely planning on replacing rods and pistons. I wouldnt turbo any motor at 10psi or above without replacing those.

[coheed]

Again sorry to thread jack.


Would I be able to achieve my goals with a turbo thats 0.60 A/R Compressor, 0.49 A/R Exhuast side? For some reason I feel like the exhaust side a/r would limit me.