The Honda FIT...

[Leenis24]

Its ugly, anyone else agree with me. After staring so long at the Yaris, the FIT, being so damn identicle to the Yaris spec's wise, i really dont like the way its designed. Its just plain ugly to me. I think they should have taken some design keys from there new civics and accords and incorporated them into the FIT. I love the looks of the new civics, their hot. Plus i think the FIT would look better as a 3-door rather then a 5-door IMO.

[Sp33dY]

The FIT is old and outdated in comparison to the fit. If u were to compare say the current model corolla to the new CIVIC, it'd be a n easy choice --- the CIVIC hatch would win HANDS DOWN! It'll be interesting to see what Honda come up with to replace the Fit/Jazz in the future .... for now though, YARIS all the way!

[hhcchen]

it's so funny seeing post like this...
because on the honda forum... they are saying the same thing for yaris...

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-message?message_id=534060
:laughabove:

[Sp33dY]

LMAO ... idiots. I know which one id prefer to drive each day :P

[riceboy]

I think that the fit is the awkwardly hot cousin of the aveo... but there's a lot of support available on that car check this out...

http://www.mugen-power.com/street/04fitmt/index.html

Yes I know it's an older design, and yes I agree that the Yaris looks better.. but it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out in the long run....

[Leenis24]

It'll be interesting to see how many of each car you will see on the roads. I really think people are gunna gravitate more toward the yaris and not only because i like the yaris and this is a yaris forum, i think people will just like the yaris better. Plus, people who know nothing about cars, which is a lot of people, and are looking for a new economical hatch to purchase, will only be looking at the car and saying "oh that ones cute, i could see myself in that". And then buying soley because of how it looks and not buy the numbers and upgrades that we all on here look for. So in that regard i believe Toyota's gunna take this round.

[stuffy]

yaris is by far the more appealing car, the only thing the fit has going for it over the yaris is the "magic seat" in the rear,
anyone who likes the styling of the fit over the yaris, probably has black velvet paint by numbers hanging in their living room (above the puke green shag carpet).

what will be interesting is a few years down the road when the fit is re-designed, but until then, we will see way more yarii on the streets.

[Leenis24]

Greatly said Stuffy. :thumbsup:

[why?]

Personally i think anyone that wants to drive a honda is more than a little loopy.

[hhcchen]

mod can combine the thread...
if it's a good idea...
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104

[hhcchen]

i read somewhere... (if anyone can find similar things)
fit was honda's answer for gen 1 vitz in japan...
and started to out sell vitz...
so toyota came up with ist (scion xa) to fight back...
so, there is a little rivalry there...
now, vitz is in its 2nd gen... the yaris... and fit is still in 1st gen...
well, it's interesting to see car rivalry like this...
reminds me of evo vs sti...

[DJ_SpaRky]

Personally i think anyone that wants to drive a honda is more than a little loopy.

The best quote I've heard in a long time. LOL

[Thirty-Nine]

Personally i think anyone that wants to drive a honda is more than a little loopy.

I assume you're saying that tounge-in-cheek. Hondas are excellent automobiles. Between my wife and me, we've owned eight of them. We've never had a major problem with any of them.

The xB is my first Toyota product.

As far as styling, I think the Fit is more mainstream-looking than the Yaris. Most people I know like the Fit much better than the Yaris. My guess is Honda will sell more Fits than Toyota sells Yari.

[hhcchen]

i say, beauty is in the eyes of beholder...

[Idjiit]

Looks a bit too much like a mini minivan to my eyes. But the seating arrangement with the fold-flat front passenger seat is pretty bitchin.

[ricko]

I think this Honda bashing is pointless, and juvenile. Hopefully you purchased your Yaris based on the good points of the Toyota, rather than any imagined shortcomings of the Honda.

[plushDJ]

only thing I like about it is the color matched headlights....other than that.....PURE CRAP!!!!

[Thirty-Nine]

I think this Honda bashing is pointless, and juvenile. Hopefully you purchased your Yaris based on the good points of the Toyota, rather than any imagined shortcomings of the Honda.

Agreed. At least the U.S. bound Fits comes with a tach.

[why?]

I'm just a Toyota person. I was born and raised in Toyota's, and to me honda's have only been trying to copy Toyota.

I'm not saying they aren't decent cars, but who wants "a decent car"?

I've never liked Honda's. It is odd for someone who has grown up in the sport compact car crowd, but that is just how I feel. To me Toyota's are just better.

[Leenis24]

Pros and Cons people. Dont get me wrong, likes and dislikes about both, its just the likes for the Yaris overpower the likes for the FIT, for me. And being a hardcore Toyota fan like myself, why would i buy the Honda over the Toyota. I do like Honda's as well, i just think the styling could've matched better with the more atractive new Civic and Accord, you know tie it all in. But everyone has there own bowl of soup i guess.

[ricko]

Hey, I'm a Toyota guy myself now (after 6 Honda/Acura cars in a row). I just think it is important to understand the strengths and weaknesses of all potential choices before making an intelligent decision. Personally I had to choose between the "Fit" and the "Yaris", because I wanted to support a dealership in town (I suppose I might have considered the Hyundai, Suzuli, and Kia models if there had been dealers close by). I also test drove GM small cars, but was not impressed. The "Fit" impressed me as being an excellent design mechanically, though not aesthetically. Having had so much experience with Hondas, I know them to have good performance, and reliabilty. I don't think anyone buying a "Fit" would be unhappy. For me however the Yaris was a superior choice. I was able to get an RS with B-Pac, and lowering springs for less than a "Fit" LX, and the Toyota is better looking (in my opinion anyway) too. I also preferred the Toyota Dealership in town and the fact that Toyota offers options like the lowered suspension, and 18" wheels without affecting the warranty. I don't need to slag the Honda as "PURE CRAP", because no matter how good the "Fit" may be or how well it may sell, In my opinion the "Yaris" is the best car in the super-sub class.

[Leenis24]

I totally agree with what you just said. I never said the FIT was pure crap, i just liked the yaris a bit more. The FIT will probably be a great car, Hondas always were in my opinion, its all about what fits the persons individual style. And yes, Toyota having all the aftermarket TRD parts is a big plus in my book.

[ricko]

No L, it was someone else who called the Honda 'PURE CRAP". Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Leenis24]

oh, totally alright, i didn't take it as anything but conversation. No harm

[plushDJ]

I totally called it pure crap, and by that I meant the looks. I finally saw one today in person and they're just plain old ugly! But come on, if I actually meant that about the reliability or build quality of a Honda, I think I'd have to slap myself. We all know they're one of the best built cars out there.

[ricko]

Glad to clear that up. I don't like the looks either, and despite how good the "Fit" may be, I think as an all-round package the "Yaris" is superior.

[corey415]

Honda Fit did well in this comparo test:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/10925/15000-cheap-skates.html

[ricko]

Of course it did well, the "Fit" is a proven car. I think a more appropriate comparison would be between the "Fit" Sport, and a Canadian Yaris RS 5-Door. The Canadian RS seems better spec'd than the American version, and is still about $1000 (Can.) less than the "Fit". At this price point, a thousand $$$ makes a big difference.

[Idjiit]

Well, and they're comparing it against the Yaris sedan which as I understand it is practically a completely different car than the Yaris Liftback/5 DR. Different suspension, longer wheelbase, etc. That isn't to say the Fit Sport sucks, it's just that it's not a great comparison.

[why?]

The temper tantrum is a decent car, but C&D recieved 36 mpg for the Yaris, and they fail to mention the mileage they got in the temper tantrum. They also noted the Yaris is lighter, and weight is the enemy.

I think a 3 dr lb with a few mods will make a temper tantrum look like a little child does next to a NFL lineman.

[ricko]

I agree ...... it was kinda like comparing apples to oranges. An all 5-Door comparo would have been better. A super-sub competition!!!!!!

[Thirty-Nine]

They should've compared the xA to the Fit, Rio5, Caliber, Reno, Versa and left out the Accent if you ask me. Then again, I'm not one of their editors. I know why they'd say they didn't include the xA: because it isn't new. And, I'm sure they used the Yaris sedan because it was a four-door.

Regardless, I think I'd buy a Yaris liftback (even without the tach) if my xB blew up tomorrow (without me in it, of course).

[corey415]

...
but C&D recieved 36 mpg for the Yaris, and they fail to mention the mileage they got in the temper tantrum. They also noted the Yaris is lighter, and weight is the enemy.

...


They got 35mpg for the Honda Fit. Not bad considering it is "oh so heavy" and has good acceleration and large boot & cargo space.

http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cd29ce.gif

[ricko]

A little off topic, but ............ if someone offers you a test drive in the new Civic SI, do not take it! That car is amazing!!!!!!!!! Obviousy at close to $10K (Can.) more than the Yaris RS you would expect that, but even at the price it is in my opinion a tremendous value.

[why?]

They got 35mpg for the Honda Fit. Not bad considering it is "oh so heavy" and has good acceleration and large boot & cargo space.

http://img114.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cd29ce.gif

You think they would've mentioned that in the piece. It is cool to see the Yaris has less lb per hp.

If C&D can average 36 mpg with a yaris it should not be so hard to get 40.

Also, the Yaris is faster to 100 mph, it had a faster quarter mile speed, better rolling 5-60 time, and of course better mpg.

It says the Yaris has a govenor, we will have to figure away to remove it.

[ricko]

Power to weight ratio is a very important factor, with small underpowered cars like the Yaris and Fit.

[Thirty-Nine]

It says the Yaris has a govenor, we will have to figure away to remove it.


It's probably electronically controlled, meaning you'd need to mess with the ECU.

[Idjiit]

Here's some power-to-weight ratios I threw together just for the hell of it, listed from "worst" to best...

Car | Curb | HP | lb. per HP
__________________________________________________ __________
Golf | 2,857 | 115 | 24.8
Fit | 2,432 | 109 | 22.3
Mini | 2,524 | 115 | 21.9
Yaris LB | 2,293 | 106 | 21.6
Yaris Sedan | 2,293 | 106 | 21.6
Focus | 2,627 | 136 | 19.3
Yaris Stripped | 2,037 | 106 | 19.2
Civic | 2,593 | 140 | 18.5
Yaris SC | 2,087 | 130 | 16.0
Mini S | 2,679 | 168 | 15.9
Miata | 2,474 | 170 | 14.5
WRX Wagon | 3,252 | 230 | 14.1
Elise | 1,984 | 190 | 10.4


The "Yaris Stripped" is with the backseats taken out, race seats and lighter wheels (using the 4 lbs per wheel pound lost calculation for unsprung weight).

The "Yaris SC" is Yaris Stripped w/Supercharger, assuming a conservative 20% power incrase.

[jdgriswald]

Checked out a Fit today, since they've just got to town. Was nice, but you know, if there was an apples to apples comparison, I'd would still prefer the Yaris. The fact that Toyota has watered down the U.S. version so badly, however, puts Fit in the conversation. If they at least offered a tach in the 3-door I'd still buy it over the Fit (not that that's a deal breaker).

I'm trying to convince myself I don't like the Fit with the following justifications:

It's a 5-year old design. The magic seats are rather gimicky.....Flat mode is a relative pain - you have to slide the front seats just to fold the rears down (granted there is a lever on the upper front seat for this). Long mode is useable. Relax mode....whatever. Tall mode is cool if you have a bike, or carry llamas. The spare tire cover panel, essentially the rear floor is cheap as hell press board. The same material that was in my '74 B-210 hatch that didn't hold up well even with metal reinforcements (which Fit doesn't have).....very flimsy. The rear head rests are rather large, and I don't believe they are removeable (could be wrong). The one problem I have with Hondas of late is their ricer stigma....every little Honda fanboy's got their pimped out Civic with the fart can muffler, the picnic table rear wing and the cheesy body kit, and I can only imagine how the Fit is going to draw the same crowd....no thanks.

That being said, it is a really nice car. It HAS a tach, the front seats do have more leg support, it HAS 5-doors and it's a Honda. Goddammit Toyota, quit short changing us!

The only thing on the U.S. Toyota lots that compares is the Scion xA, and I'm sorry to say, the Fit kicks it's ass despite it's higher price. If we had the 5-door Yaris RS that our friends in the rest of the world get, I think it would be another story.

[corey415]

...
...
The rear head rests are rather large, and I don't believe they are removeable (could be wrong).



They are removable.

[hhcchen]

ok...
the competition is officially up...:evil:
http://automobiles.honda.com/models/model_overview.asp?ModelName=Fit

[why?]

Just read the SCC lovefest of the Honda Fit, and they admitted one thing.

The article is by James Tate, and it is in the June issue. he states," The Fit isn't a terribly quick car (The Toyota Yaris will walk away), ...

SCC loves honda's way to much, and it is refreshing to see someone in that mag say something even remotely negative about one.

Not to mention the positive about the Yaris. Hmm, why didn't they spend a dozen or so pages about the Yaris.

[Thirty-Nine]

"Walk away?" As in it's faster? It's like .2 seconds faster 0-60 and .1 second faster in the 1/4 mile. That's not my definition of getting walked on.

I'd be a driver's race in the 1/4 mile, for sure. Then again, people drag racing Fits and Yari should have better things to do with themselves. :-p

[why?]

"Walk away?" As in it's faster? It's like .2 seconds faster 0-60 and .1 second faster in the 1/4 mile. That's not my definition of getting walked on.

I'd be a driver's race in the 1/4 mile, for sure. Then again, people drag racing Fits and Yari should have better things to do with themselves. :-p

Odds are the writer has had the chance to drive one on a racetrack, and that is what he is reffering too.

[Goose]

I recently bought an xA for my wife. It's a great car, but the gearing isn't very good for highway driving (at ~65-70MPH the engine's turning 3,500RPM's). I can't bring myself to try a Fit out of fear that the Fit is a more relaxed highway cruiser.

I'm satisfying myself with the fact that I saved $2,000 - and I still like the xA's styling a little better. Has anybody driven both the xA and Fit on the highway? If so, what's the verdict?

[Thirty-Nine]

I recently bought an xA for my wife. It's a great car, but the gearing isn't very good for highway driving (at ~65-70MPH the engine's turning 3,500RPM's). I can't bring myself to try a Fit out of fear that the Fit is a more relaxed highway cruiser.

I'm satisfying myself with the fact that I saved $2,000 - and I still like the xA's styling a little better. Has anybody driven both the xA and Fit on the highway? If so, what's the verdict?

I'd like to know how the Fit is on the highway, too.

The more I look at the Fit, the less I like its USDM extended front bumpers and OEM ground effects kit. I don't mind the base version much, but you can't get cruise on the base model, I don't believe.

I think if I had to replace my wife's Civic tomorrow, I'd probably get a Polar White xA because she wants a four-door with a tach, and prefers hatchbacks.

[Goose]

Here's my report on the Fit:

It's actually a very nice car. I drove a Sport version, painted metallic orange with an auto tranny and 16" Honda Factory Performance wheels. Sticker with the HFP wheels was around $18,200. What you make of the styling is your own call; for me, even with the skirts/dams/spoiler/wheels, it still wasn't bowling me over. Deciding between the Scion and the Honda interiors is also a matter of preference - I preferred the quirky central guages of the Scion as well as its seat fabric. There's no way to fault the Fit's interior, though - typical well-executed Honda quality.

Aesthetics aside, the Fit is a very nice car to drive. If you are looking for a pactical, fun car that does it all for a reasonable price you could do a lot worse. Power delivery was pretty good around town, though I still wasn't able to get it out on the highway(!) I would guess that the Fit's drivetrain is better on the highway than the Scion xA - maybe the final drive ratio? The Fit also handles more tightly than the xA. Obviously the 16" wheels/tires didn't hurt in this area, but I'll wager that even the stock Honda setup is a little more agressive than the xA.

The Fit/Scion xA choice boils down to your sense of priorities and tastes. The Fit offers a little more power, agility and space but at a higher price and in a somewhat cavernous package. The Scion xA is a little softer riding and has a bit less punch, but it's quite a bit cheaper to buy/drive and (at least for me) feels more like a small, fun little car.

In the end, either car is a good, practical, fun car.

[riceboy]

Saw one up close last night in the parking lot when I went out for dinner.. it actually looks a lot nicer in person than it does in pictures.. seems smaller, although from certain angles it really does look like a mini-odyssey...

[stuffy]

really? i saw one at a dealer and thought it was even uglier.

[echo_hrs]

I like the Fit Sport...I wouldn't trade my Yaris RS for it though...

The Yaris RS sport buckets blow away the Fit Sport's seats...The Fit Sport's interior matches the Yaris RS interior for niceness imo...

I'd definitely add the Fit to my "Sub-Compact Garage", it makes for a nice mini-mini-van...

So far I've got an Echo Hatchback, a Yaris RS, and would like to add a Fit Sport and a Scion xB to the mix...Why not have 4 economical cars to choose from for the price of one loaded midsize sedan...

[stuffy]

i'd like one of those mini cooper convertibles and a smart car as well, but honda can keep the fit.

[stuffy]

my buddy just ordered a fit today, i will take some comparison photos once he gets it,

then i will kick his ass in a little yaris vs fit action!

[w1ngzer0]

When they have the ridgeline and fit in the same thread you know what kind of taste these folks have. The ridgeline is the most inefficient and ugliest truck ever made. At least the tacoma and soon to be tundra have some sort of effective towing or hauling. You can't even fit a full size matress in the back of the ridgeline. Whats up with that?

Why the heck would i want to buy a Yaris type car that is priced closer to the civic model.

[why?]

Man the fit is expensive. 14,400 for a base model, plus taxes. That is over $2000 more than I paid for my Yaris.

[stuffy]

but it has a "magic seat", that has got to be worth $2000

[why?]

but it has a "magic seat", that has got to be worth $2000
:bellyroll:

[Leenis24]

but it has a "magic seat", that has got to be worth $2000


HAHAHAHAHA, take that Honda Fit.

[corey415]

Why the heck would i want to buy a Yaris type car that is priced closer to the civic model.

Would you buy a Yaris instead of a corolla?

Keep in mind that the base Honda Civic DX is a teaser model. It has a low low price to get suckers into the dealership. It doesnt have AC, power windows, or power locks. So in reality, the Civic model to compare would be the LX.

[corey415]

The ridgeline is the most inefficient and ugliest truck ever made. At least the tacoma and soon to be tundra have some sort of effective towing or hauling. You can't even fit a full size matress in the back of the ridgeline. Whats up with that?


The Ridgeline has more than enough capability than what most truck buyers actually need and use. The Ridgeline isnt supposed to be a tacoma/tundra equivalent. Let's face it; the average truck driver hardly ever goes off road or tows anything. They only time they use the bed is when they go to Ikea or Home Depot.

And whats up the mattress in the pickup bed rubric? Lots of big ass extended cab diesel behemoths cant do the same thing either. That doesnt mean it's a bad truck.

[benfal2001]

Haha you're funny yaris people. :laugh:

What is the spaciest car between these ?

I'll love my Fit all the way!
ABS, A/C, Vtec, Power windows, Power doors, 6 airbags!! more power and lots of other gifts!

[Idjiit]

Haha you're funny yaris people. :laugh:

What is the spaciest car between these ?

I'll love my Fit all the way!
ABS, A/C, Vtec, Power windows, Power doors, 6 airbags!! more power and lots of other gifts!

If you're going to make a space comparison, at least compare it with the Yaris with the 60/40 seats installed. :rolleyes:

[benfal2001]

If you're going to make a space comparison, at least compare it with the Yaris with the 60/40 seats installed. :rolleyes:


No difference. The back seats would not goes flater with the 60/40 anyway and the entry will not be wider and the floor could not be lower.

Stop cheating on Fit and drive what you can afford.

[benfal2001]

and what that stupid idea putting the centered console ?? What they was thinking ?? Don't want my passenger argue with the speed I'm going.

[benfal2001]

I'd like to know how the Fit is on the highway, too.

The more I look at the Fit, the less I like its USDM extended front bumpers and OEM ground effects kit. I don't mind the base version much, but you can't get cruise on the base model, I don't believe.

I think if I had to replace my wife's Civic tomorrow, I'd probably get a Polar White xA because she wants a four-door with a tach, and prefers hatchbacks.

Get a Fit for the H on the hood. Don't mess your time. :thumbup:

[Idjiit]

No difference. The back seats would not goes flater with the 60/40 anyway and the entry will not be wider.

Uh, no, that's the point... the 60/40's do fold flat.

[Idjiit]

and what that stupid idea putting the centered console ?? What they was thinking ?? Don't want my passenger argue with the speed I'm going.

It's one of the many things done to allow them to sell the car for $10,000 instead of $14,000. It makes it cheaper for them to produce them for a global market.

[stuffy]

my yaris has abs, power windows, a/c, and the total bill was under $17,000 cdn, my friend's bill for the fit he is buying (+ 4 air bags, auto trans, "magic seat") is $22,000. i couldn't believe when he told me that, wtf? it isn't even the sport model.

the fit has a lower power to weight ratio than the yaris, so in fact, it has less power than the yaris.

and

the fit styling is yucky, a tiny honda oddysey

[benfal2001]

my buddy just ordered a fit today, i will take some comparison photos once he gets it,

then i will kick his ass in a little yaris vs fit action!


hihihi but keep in mind that the Fit has a peppy vtec engine and don't roll like the yaris in curves and the fit has 603 liters cargo volume and the yaris only 228.
don't miss your time...

[stuffy]

benfal2001, clearly you are a fan of your car, and clearly everyone here is a fan of their yarii, so you won't win many over on the yarisworld forum,
i'm sure the fit is a good little car, and some nice features, but it's a homely little car,
i don't like the styling of it at all, so wouldn't put it at the top of my list for that very reason

but keep in mind that the Fit has a peppy vtec engine

keep in mind that the yaris has a peppy vvti engine

but truthfully i didn't buy the yaris to race, if i was, i spend more money to lower it and stiffen the suspension to reduce the body roll, and still come in under the price of the fit.

[why?]

Yawn, the fit is just way overpriced like all hondum's.

Saw a few today at a hondum dealer, almost was sick.

Lets see, less gas mileage than civic, less room than civic, uglier even then the saturnized civic, why should anyone buy it over a civic?

The Yaris gets better gas mileage, weighs less, costs less, is better looking, is safer, is newer, is better.

As usual, the temper tantrum, like all other hondum's, comes in second place to Toyota. They are pretender's. They are losers.

[Dylanby]

Well I've driven both & as always, it comes down to personal preference.

The Fit is a good sub-compact. I just think the Yaris is better. The only place where I feel the Fit surpasses the Yaris is in airbag safety. The cargo space for the Yaris is fine. While the Fit surpasses it in this area, it's only relevant if your lifestyle demands greater cargo. Also, while the fit is slightly longer than the Yaris it's also slightly narrower. The driver seating position & view is slightly more "sporty" than the Yaris at the cost of feeling more claustrophobic, IMO. The Yaris was designed to "feel" larger than it is, unless of course you plan on riding around in the cargo area.

There are other differences of course, but in the end none of it really matters.

You bought your car & are happy with it just as the Yaris owners are happy with their choice.

If you made your purchasing decision so that you can feel superior to other car owners & post negative crap on their fansites, that's just sad. And comparing the performance of sub-compact car engines (109 vs 106) in terms of power instead of efficiency & functionality is just silly.

[corey415]

Lets see, less gas mileage than civic, less room than civic, uglier even then the saturnized civic, why should anyone buy it over a civic?


Again, why would one buy a Yaris LB as a opposed to a Corolla?

Perhaps some prefer a hatchback configuration? The fuel efficiency really isnt that different either. The passenger volume is very similar as well.


As usual, the temper tantrum, like all other hondum's, comes in second place to Toyota. They are pretender's. They are losers.

Second place? Most comparos place the Fit above the Yaris...

What do you have against Honda anyone? You seem so angry. :iono:

[why?]

Honda is just a second rate car company.

Wow, you just want to lie down and let anyone come here and insult us, don't you.

Sorry, I don't do it that way. Someone insults me and the gloves come off.

[Thirty-Nine]

Again, why would one buy a Yaris LB as a opposed to a Corolla?
Perhaps some prefer a hatchback configuration? The fuel efficiency really isnt that different either. The passenger volume is very similar as well.


Agreed.

This was the problem Toyota had with the Echo, too. With a bunch of options, the Echo cost the same (if not more) than a Corolla. I don't want to see this happen with the Yaris. However, a fully loaded Yaris S can cost $17K and the Corolla is more powerful, better milage, more interior volume and may have better crash tests. So why by a Yaris? Personally, I like the Yaris' looks more than the Corolla, and if you don't put every bell and whistle on it, it'll be cheaper than a Corolla.

However, it's no different than the Fit/Civic argument. Hell, a 2007 Civic EX starts at $18,000. But then again, that's why Honda has introduced the Fit — it's the new entry-level car. The Yaris is Toyota's entry-level car. The Corolla, Civic, Mazda 3 and so on and so fourth, are no longer "cheap" cars.

[Idjiit]

Ummm... why buy the Liftback instead of a Corolla? Because it's a hathback. Why buy the Liftback instead of a Corolla hatchback (the Matrix)? Because it's $5,000 cheaper.

[Thirty-Nine]

Agreed. I like the liftback more than the Corolla. However, given the historically unpopular sentiment towards two-door hatchbacks in the U.S., I think the Yaris might have an uphill battle. Don't get me wrong, the liftback is über appealing to me, because I love hatchbacks (two- and four-door). But, generally, it seems most Americans don't dig two-door hatchbacks.

[bikergal]

OMG everyone! Take a deep breath.... The flame wars :evil: arn't necessary are they?

There are thousands and thousands of different makes and models out there. Its all a matter of personal preference which car/truck/suv you choose to buy. Just because some like the Yaris and some like the Fit doesn't make you a bad person. You can argue until you're blue in the face why one is better than the other. It just doesn't make sense. :iono: Just be happy you found a car that suits your taste and budget.


If I hear one more person say "Why not buy the Corolla?" I am gonna loose it. This is a Yaris forum for people who like the Yaris. I had a dealership try and offer me a Corolla instead of a Yaris. I told the guy if I wanted the Corolla I would have asked for it. He was too lazy to try and get me one from another dealership or to order it I guess. He just lost a customer :thumbdown: They are two different cars all together and one costs more than the other.


I want something small, cute and fun to drive. The Yaris seems to fit the bill perfect.



*steps off soapbox*

[ricko]

That is certainly true in a historical sense "39". I think it will take time for people to recognize the efficiency of the compact hatchback, both in fuel economy and in functionality. The difference between the 3 and 5 door (2 and 4 to you) is about $600 in Canada. For some that is more important than the extra 2 doors.

[Thirty-Nine]

In fact, the Yaris is one of only five two-door hatchbacks sold in the U.S. at the moment. The others are the Ford Focus ZX3, Mini, VW GTI and Beetle. Plenty of five-doors (four-door hatches), but very few two-door hatches.

[hhcchen]

my buddy just ordered a fit today, i will take some comparison photos once he gets it,

then i will kick his ass in a little yaris vs fit action!
any news...?
did he get the fit yet...?
we would love to see some more comparison photos...:thumbup:
(side by side, front, rear, profile, bumpers, ground clearance... etc...):biggrin:
or even some actions...

[60 Somethings]

I recently bought an xA for my wife. It's a great car, but the gearing isn't very good for highway driving (at ~65-70MPH the engine's turning 3,500RPM's). I can't bring myself to try a Fit out of fear that the Fit is a more relaxed highway cruiser.



I took the MPH per 1,000 RPM figures from the data in the C&D review article for both the Yaris and the Fit and made a spreadsheet. The Fit tachs higher, basically due to it's 4.29 rear end vs. the Yaris' 3.72 rear end.

Here are some comparisons: (Yaris RPM 1st, & Fit RPM 2nd)

2nd @ 30 MPH = 3,093 vs. 3,571

3rd @ 45 MPH = 3,191 vs. 3,782

4th @ 60 MPH = 3,141 vs. 3,704

5th @ 70 MPH = 3,097 vs. 3,398

5th @ 90 MPH = 3,982 vs. 4,369

Conclusion: The Honda engine is definitely spinning faster to achieve it's performance figures.

Lou

[silverRS]

Doesn't matter to me or Im sure every yaris owner here. I chose the yaris because of the nice euro styling, excellent interior package, reliability, fuel economy, and last but not least TRD baby!!!

[60 Somethings]

For the record, here's what the 3dr liftback looks like with the 60/40 rear seat folded flat.

Lots of room.

Lou

[corey415]

Conclusion: The Honda engine is definitely spinning faster to achieve it's performance figures.

Lou

The 5AT on the Fit revs much lower at freeway speeds. I dont know how much slower it is though than the 5MT.

60mph 2100 rpm
70mph 2450 rpm
80mph 2800 rpm

[stuffy]

Hey 60somethings, how did you get the fold-flat seats in a non-rs model?

any news...?
did he get the fit yet...?
we would love to see some more comparison photos...
(side by side, front, rear, profile, bumpers, ground clearance... etc...)
or even some actions

apparently he gets the fit at the beginning of june, so i will be sure to post some pics as soon as he gets it.

[60 Somethings]

Stuffy,

The 60/40 split rear seat is part of the Power Pkg on the U.S. liftback.

I'm in USA's Vancouver - as the Mayor refers to the City - better known as Vancouver, Washington.

We were lucky to have an excellent fleet mgr to work with and he managed to find, and grab, an almost fully loaded stick-shift liftback for us. Wife and I love driving it!

Lou

[stuffy]

ahh, i missed the usa part on your name, my bad.

thanks

[benfal2001]

Its ugly, anyone else agree with me. After staring so long at the Yaris, the FIT, being so damn identicle to the Yaris spec's wise, i really dont like the way its designed. Its just plain ugly to me. I think they should have taken some design keys from there new civics and accords and incorporated them into the FIT. I love the looks of the new civics, their hot. Plus i think the FIT would look better as a 3-door rather then a 5-door IMO.

I see you still don't understand the Fit's goals. 3 doors is now obselete and no practical at all. The civics is for more older drivers. Fit is for young people! :thumbup:

[why?]

Buh bye loser.

[Ziv]

I see you still don't understand the Fit's goals. 3 doors is now obselete and no practical at all. The civics is for more older drivers. Fit is for young people! :thumbup:

3 Doors is now OBSELETE? I think the differ.

[ricko]

The Civic is for "older" drivers??????? I guess he is afraid 20 and 30 somethings can't handle the 195 HP on the SI. I love my Yaris RS, but the SI is a rocket (and should be at over $10K Can. more)!!!!!!!

[corey415]

Well Honda has definitely been marketing the Fit towards a younger demographic.

Also, the 06 Si has 197 hp.

[Yaris Revenge]

Ah, benfal2001's so full of hot air, he floats. He's just stirrin' up trouble. Jealousy, I think, over being so young and stuck driving a minivan. :biggrin:

EDIT: Hey, I just noticed he's banned! Hooray for the good guys! :drinking:

~YR

[stuffy]

a fellow on a honda forum took pictures of his fit beside his oddysey....

...do you think the comparisons are justified?

[why?]

Yes, they are way too similar.

[ricko]

Wow ..... they are similar. The Fit looks like an Odysey that shrunk in the wash. "Honey I Shrunk the Van!"

[bigbull]

I just spent 2 months looking at cars and taking test drives, deciding what to buy. There were a lot of nice cars out there but my primary concern was to get a car that was fuel efficient, second was how it looked and third was can I afford it. Toyota was the last place I went to because with it's reputation I was most likely going to end up in one... although when I went in I was looking for the Corolla. I walked in the door saw the Yaris Sedan and fell in love with the way it looked compared to all the others I had been looking at, the Honda's, Mazda's, Hyundai's and Kia's were all put to shame by this car. Then I got behind the wheel and found it drove real nice too. All they had available to test drive was the Auto but I made the decision to buy one (of course I got the manual) and I have been having fun in it since... and I still think it looks better than the rest!

[Dylanby]

I actually think the Fit looks kinda cute (looks better in person). But in my overall impressions of the two vehicles, it falls behind. Also during my test drive the AT on the Fit produced some unsual noises. I hear some people who bought a Fit with an auto are having some problems.

[Ziv]

I actually think the Fit looks kinda cute (looks better in person). But in my overall impressions of the two vehicles, it falls behind. Also during my test drive the AT on the Fit produced some unsual noises. I hear some people who bought a Fit with an auto are having some problems.

Fits looks kinda cute? wow. You will be the first person I heard saying that. haha. I guess it depends on your defination of 'cute'.

[Dylanby]

Fits looks kinda cute? wow. You will be the first person I heard saying that. haha. I guess it depends on your defination of 'cute'.

Saw one yesterday on the street. Silver with nice tint job. From the side they actually look ok. The rear is boring & generic. I can't recall if it was sport trim or not (I don't like the side skirts on the sport trim).

[stuffy]

i think they look the worst from the side, that is where they are most mini-vannish, the side is just flat with windows, just like a van.
i don't mind them from the front.

[Thirty-Nine]

I think the Fit is the most mainstream looking of the B-segment cars currently on the U.S. market, which is a good thing for Honda because it will appeal to more people. A lot of people think the Yaris, especially the liftback, and the xA, for instance, look "strange."

[corey415]

...
Also during my test drive the AT on the Fit produced some unsual noises. I hear some people who bought a Fit with an auto are having some problems.

What problems are you referring to? And where did you hear about this from?

[hhcchen]

they probably thought the mini van shape produce the best interior space...
which could be true... however, beauty has to be compromised...

[Thirty-Nine]

however, beauty has to be compromised...

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :wink:

[Ziv]

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :wink:

True, and personally, I would need probably couple dozen of really 'STIFF' drinks for me to see Fits as cute.

[hhcchen]

Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. :wink:
well, you don't have to convince me it's a beauty...
the thing is people already associate soccer moms with mini vans...
and it's obviously proven from above posts that fit looks like mini van...
so, unless people start to associate hot studs with mini van...
fit will never get out of the mini van shadow and not to be associated with soccer moms...
but of course unless you think soccoer moms are hot... that's another story...:wub:

[jdgriswald]

but of course unless you think soccoer moms are hot... that's another story...:wub:

Maybe those who buy the Fit like to think of them as soccer MILFs

[why?]

They've actually proven that beauty is not always subjective. The Golden Ratio seems to make things look better.

[wlfpck]

idk... i was on cb7tuner and posted a thing on the yaris when it first came out. Some liked it and some hated it.

the honda fit is nice because like all hondas... most parts are interchangeable. (sp?)

but personally the yaris is a lot faster than the fit. so go yaris.

[corey415]

but personally the yaris is a lot faster than the fit. so go yaris.

How so? According to what instrumented tests?

[Thirty-Nine]

Actually the Yaris isn't a lot faster than the Fit. For God sakes; both cars have less than 110 hp! It's like comparing which glacier moves faster! :-)

[Greg66]

Tha Honda Fits interior is a lot more versatile than the Yaris'. With that said...the Yaris looks better by a mile.

[swng]

I am starting to see the Fits in the Greater Vancouver area. They look a lot better than in pictures (I do not have an explanation). Not bad but I still like the look of the Yaris more, not because this is a Yaris board but because this is the way I feel.

[eight_heads]

well my parents had a Honda Odessey years ago and the Fit just reminds me too much of that from the side.... i just can't wait to get my Yaris in!

[sroberts]

I saw a Fit on the way to work last week and, whoa, whats up with the HUGE driver and pass. windows....and the little triangular window next to the mirrors. Just looks very awkward.

I have always had trucks or SUV's so I really do not know much about the compact car market. I wanted to get a small car just for getting me to work and back (35 Mile trip). I looked at all the compact cars with an unbiased view and I must say that the Yaris just looks better. Mabye the Fit has a more "peppy" engine, but for the purpose of hauling my butt around, I think I made the right choice. I thought the Aveo was a cool looking little car too and the price was right. But it was my second choice because the Toyota's just have a much better resale value.

[hhcchen]

Tha Honda Fits interior is a lot more versatile than the Yaris'. With that said...the Yaris looks better by a mile.
http://www.ferfolia.net/james/forumpics/fitlol.jpg
with the versatility of refresh mode,
i am sure alot of teenagers will be getting fit...:drinking:

[ricko]

Gonna be LOTS of tinted windows sold to Fit owners.:bellyroll:

[stuffy]

my friend finally got his fit this week after a big long wait, and i checked it out today,
ugly from the side, not so bad from the front
the passenger space is the same as the yaris, but the trunk is a fair bit deeper and i think this is due to the fact that the gas tank is under the front seats,
the magic seats are definitely a cool feature.

his is auto and it is a peppy little ride, much like the auto yaris's i have driven.

total bill for it was 23,000 compared to 17,000 (cad) for my yaris, but he has auto and 6 airbags.

i will take pictures next week sometime, is there any particular view anyone would like to see?

[hhcchen]

i will take pictures next week sometime, is there any particular view anyone would like to see?
side by side, face to face, a$$ to... etc... be creative...

[hhcchen]

this from msn...

http://autos.msn.com/research/compare/default.aspx?c=0&n=3&i=0&tb=0&ph1=t102493&ph2=t0&dt=1&v=t102493&v=t102606

http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/evox/stills/gallery/3453_28.jpghttp://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/evox/stills/gallery/3262_28.jpg
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/evox/stills/gallery/3453_19.jpghttp://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/evox/stills/gallery/3262_19.jpg

[ECHOKnight2000]

Yaris looks way better hands down! Of course this is coming from a Yaris forum I guess that is a give in:biggrin: I know the FIT is a dated design, but the Yaris looks more athletic and aggresive/bold yet sophisticated, and the FIT is FUGLY!

[frederick moller]

Yeah the FIT is damn ugly, and it has no inside fuel door release , for me that is important.Besides, the Yaris is one beautiful looking car, that gets better gas mileage with a 4 speed auto than the FIT with a 5 speed auto. My next car will be 99.9% a YARIS RS 4 door hatchback with the 4 speed auto.

[Yaris Revenge]

That side shot of the orange Fit looks remarkably like the Toyota Matrix, which I also find to be uncomfortably off-balance (one of the reasons I bought the Vibe instead). They both have the same weird bulge over the rear wheel, and the backward-sloping roofline that peaks at the windshield. Quite awkward. The front looks like it's straight outta' 1992. :thumbdown:

~YR

(Yay! Bashing the Fit is fun!) :thumbup:

[Ran Kizama]

To be honest, I almost bought a Fit. I would have if it was available in a three door instead of a minivan-style five door. I like the way the front of the Fit looks and the bed-style layback of the seats definitely caught my eye. Oh well, I can still get a BJ in the Yaris. That'll hold until we get home. :thumbsup:


Also, I hear rumors that a returning Honda CRX will be built on the Fit platform. That'll be neat to see.

[HanSel]

i personally could go for either..
one of the main deterrents for me, was the body colored headlight bezels..
if it was black, itd be ok..

[Hyde]

if it was a full redesign Gen 2 Fit then i would've definatly gotten the Honda.

but currently, the stupid Fit is a 5 year old design. not only its dated, but its already not up to par in what the Yaris have.

[HanSel]

yea..the yaris is a faster car stock..
but whats currently swaying me to the fit is the potential down the road..
k20 swaps...means FAST ass fits.

[corey415]

if it was a full redesign Gen 2 Fit then i would've definatly gotten the Honda.

but currently, the stupid Fit is a 5 year old design. not only its dated, but its already not up to par in what the Yaris have.

What do you mean not up to par? Every comparo/review I have seen places the Fit above the Yaris. It's not even close too.

[Moose]

Alrighty guys, I've been a Honda guy for years. I've done just about every Honda swap possible, driven all of them, even worked as a Service Manager for Honda, and I still have my current one in the garage. I have also owned several Toyotas over the years as second cars/daily drivers, the latest being my Yaris (and my project Celica), and I am now a Service Manager at Lexus, so I've seen both sides of the spectrum. Comparing Toyotas to Hondas is comparing apples to oranges- except for one thing- both are equally as reliable. Honda's lineup typically does not cater to the Toyota crowd, and vice-versa (one of the reasons this argument is so inane). I bought my Yaris, first and foremost, because it was cheap. If I wanted to spend $80 a month more, I may have bought the Fit. BTW, the "Fit" we get here is not the Fit/Jazz sold overseas. I drove a Fit in Europe for a while- the real Fit is 2 feet shorter, just as wide, much nicer inside, and much cheaper. Honda brought our faux-Fit here to draw in all of the 18-21 year old "JDM" crowd and make a killer profit.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is, this "performace comparo" is a dead draw- each have their highs and lows. If you insist on a quickie comparo, here it is: In stock form, the Yaris is slightly quicker, the Fit handles slightly better, appearance is in the eye of the beholder, MPGs are so close it's negligible, and if you want a racecar, you shouldn't have bought either one. :laugh:

Can't we all just get along? :wub:

[Hyde]

What do you mean not up to par? Every comparo/review I have seen places the Fit above the Yaris. It's not even close too.

go look at the seat design and then the trunk. you will see that its a year 2000 car and not a 2006 car

I'd compare the Fit with last gen NCP13 Echo Hatch. and wait till a full redesign for the Fit before comparing it to the NCP91 Vitz

[Hyde]

btw
the Fit sold here is the excact same as the Made in China version. nothing close to the JDM or Euro Spec.

[Moose]

btw
the Fit sold here is the excact same as the Made in China version. nothing close to the JDM or Euro Spec.

Exactly- but the "I'm mad JDM tyte, y0" crowd wouldn't believe you.

[Hyde]

Exactly- but the "I'm mad JDM tyte, y0" crowd wouldn't believe you.

then those are just ricer and not the true JDM crew lol

[corey415]

...
BTW, the "Fit" we get here is not the Fit/Jazz sold overseas. I drove a Fit in Europe for a while- the real Fit is 2 feet shorter, just as wide, much nicer inside, and much cheaper...

I believe the same can be said for the Yaris. Subcompacts overseas are available or come with much more features than we get in North America.

[Hyde]

I believe the same can be said for the Yaris. Subcompacts overseas are available or come with much more features than we get in North America.

actually no, every mechanical aspect is straight from Japan on the Yaris, the only things that are different are the longer bumper.

but on the Fit, all the body panels are based on the China made Fit, Interior is completely design to work with the North American standards(while the only other LHD Fit is the China Spec Fit in the world, that one shares an Mirrored version of the JDM interior). the only thing that bolts on from the JDM Fit is the LED taillight. in order to get JDM kits for the car, you'll have to get full JDM headlight housing,fenders, hood, radiator support frame, front bumper, re-bar.

also all the headers, suspension, exhaust does not bolt on to the American fit.

[corey415]

I was not referring to body panels or mechanical parts.

The lack of JDM compatability isnt a big deal, at least not for me. The Fit Sport already comes with a body kit anyways.

I was referring to "feature content", like how the Yaris in Japan is available with VSC,TRC, what appears to be HID headlights, 30GB HDD navi, digital automatic climate control, etc.

My point was that all of the subcompacts that come from Japan are decontented when they are imported to North America, Fit and Yaris included.

[Thirty-Nine]

That's because in the U.S., carmakers believe Americans won't shell out the money for premium compacts. And, for the most part, I think they're right. However, with gas creeping ever closer to $3.50 and $4 a gallon, some might decide they want the luxuries of more expensive cars in smaller packages. Then again, maybe not.

[ECHOKnight2000]

That's because in the U.S., carmakers believe Americans won't shell out the money for premium compacts. And, for the most part, I think they're right. However, with gas creeping ever closer to $3.50 and $4 a gallon, some might decide they want the luxuries of more expensive cars in smaller packages. Then again, maybe not.



Yep, you're totally right...majority of Americans (not all) still perferr big cars (SUVs), not to say that they're not practical as far as hauling larger material but I have a feeling the average consumer isn't hauling ply wood or bricks day to day or weekly. The market in the U.S. is not big enough to justify such a "risk." But as Thirty-Nine said that could be changing...Scions are pretty decently equiped for their size and price range, the new Nissan Versa comes with stuff you wouldn't expect in that price range but I think the main reason is its directed towards or more of a response to Scion, same reason why the Honda FIT has more features availible than the Yaris cause its more directed towards the Scion brand. But its certainly a cultural thing and majority of consumers have the mentality of "bigger is better" but with gas prices I believe that is changing. I think a decent amount of people will keep their "big rigs" but buy a small effecient car for daily use and use the bigger one for hauling stuff...just a thought. Enough of my novel, you get the point.:thumbsup:

[bulldogs2k]

^^^^ i agree! everyone thinks they need a v8 to run on the highways. I hope the small car trend picks up, and with current gas prices rising, they probably will. i would love to see premeium compacts driving around. Maybe in a couple years when price for gas prices rise.

[HanSel]

yea thats true. with gas prices becoming stupid expensive, manufacturers wanted to produce cars that would be gas-sippers, but still be comfortable and practical at the same time..hence the features on these three cars.

the castration (well thats a somewhat dramatic exaggeration) of cars that are imported to the us is pretty much done to every single car.. we'll always have the watered down versions anyway.

[bulldogs2k]

civics have luxury features...imo. its safe to say the trend has started and is moving towards the right direction.

[TrancosRt]

I was looking at the European version of the Yaris. Great stuff really!! DVD Navigation systems, keyless ignition (Prius style: a big START button with a fob key in your pocket) and a lot of goodies. i think the small car trend will pickup in the US, specially if manufacturers bring the cars they already have designed to the US (like the VW Fox. Similar to the Yaris in some ways actually)

[ECHOKnight2000]

Going along with what you guys said, I assumed that non of the big three produce small cars...well guess again they do! Just not for the U.S. market, what a shame! They feel that SUV's and trucks will yield more profit margin, which is true cause that's they're cash flow, but shrinking.
Anyway they're too arrogant and dumb to send the cars they make for Europe or other places, abeit change it to meet U.S. regulations, you know what I mean? They actually make decent "small" cars for Europe, there loss, literally-and no Aveo is not that competent, although I read the 2007 is an "improvement" but fuel economy is still :thumbdown: for the segment. Enough of my rant.

[TrancosRt]

Ford has the Ford Fiesta, a smaller version of the Focus (at least, form what I can see of the latest iteration in Argentina, where I'm right now) which is really neat and they have the even smaller Ford Ka which is a really small commuter car, but is really neat. GM has pretty much everywhere the Chevrolet/Opel Corsa, a neat small car too, and it's readily available since they make it in Brazil :S.
If other european makers got in the US market you'll see a lot of awesome wars (Like the Peugeot 206/207 and even the smaller 106, several small Fiats, Renault Clios, and several other small cars that are really beautiful).
There are a lot of small, fuel efficient cars aroudn but makers jsut don't catter them to the American market. Actually there an European Yaris with 75hp, 1.3 Diesel yaris (or something along those lines) that whoops the American Yaris in the MPG department...

[fnkngrv]

Well I know that I am a late entry in this thread and if I had 4 hours I would reply to a buttload of comments made. I test drove the Fit for a full day to the tune of about 150 miles and hands down I love the Yaris. You can't truly compare them as people have said tho because I own an S Sedan and the Fit does not have a sedan counterpart. I am almost 6'3" and I feel a hell of a lot more comfy in my S than the fit. Of course the Fit has more cubic space anyway that the Y HB cause it really in all honesty is a shrunken mini van. As for it being a Gen 1 still well people are right...watch out I think when and if the do have a Gen 2 in the HB market, but who knows. They have built only 40,000 Fits for the US market and they are selling like the Yaris....as if gas will be 10.00 a gallon next week...but I don't care if the Fit got 60mpg...I will take my 40mpg Yaris hands down!

[corey415]

The Fit does have a sedan counterpart; it's just not sold in NA. It's called the Fit Aria sedan, and it doesnt sell too well in Japan.

[Moose]

The Fit does have a sedan counterpart; it's just not sold in NA. It's called the Fit Aria sedan, and it doesnt sell too well in Japan.

It's a great little car. I didn't know about any problems selling them, though.
http://www.honda.co.jp/Fit-ARIA/image/main.jpg

http://www.alljapanesecars.com/honda/fit%20aria/showroom/1/2rt.jpg

[TrancosRt]

The Aria looks like a small Civic IMHO. I still don't like it though... Yaris HB <3!

[stuffy]

comparing fit to yaris is not quite fair as the fit is a fair chunk more expensive than the yaris, so really should be in a higer class of car, (i know we have been over this before)
the yaris's only real competition in the price range is the new accent, aveo/swift,
that being said, i think performance-wise i think the yaris IS comparable to the fit.

i read a comparison in popular mechanics of yaris sedan, versa, fit (and one other i can't think of) where they gave the yaris sedan a hard time, i can't figure out why because they noted that it was
1. quickest off the line
2. achieved the best mileage
3. was the least expensive while
4. being a solidly built quality product

??????not good enough for an economy car i guess

[Moose]

Popular Mechanics looooooooooooooooves VTEC, and they are the scientific version of Maxim- they are all about image over substance. The Fit is an image car, thus by Popular Mechanics it is the winner.

Some may argue this point, but it's just an observation of mine over the years.

[corey415]

...
i read a comparison in popular mechanics of yaris sedan, versa, fit (and one other i can't think of) where they gave the yaris sedan a hard time, i can't figure out why because they noted that it was
1. quickest off the line
2. achieved the best mileage
3. was the least expensive while
4. being a solidly built quality product

??????not good enough for an economy car i guess

I have a copy of that article. The prices as tested for the Yaris actually was actually the highest of the four.

The main reason why they did not prefer the Yaris was because it was "honestly a little numb and boring".

They preferred the Fit and said "this car [Fit] has the best suspension tune, with taut handling, excellent steering feel and a firm but not jarring highway ride".

Based on the facts, the Yaris does have better acceleration and better fuel economy. But subjectively, they preferred the Fit.

[corey415]

Popular Mechanics looooooooooooooooves VTEC, and they are the scientific version of Maxim- they are all about image over substance. The Fit is an image car, thus by Popular Mechanics it is the winner.

Some may argue this point, but it's just an observation of mine over the years.

Well lets see. PM prefers the Fit. So does Money magazine. And Car & Driver. And Motor Trend. Are they all about "image over substance"?

[Moose]

Well lets see. PM prefers the Fit. So does Money magazine. And Car & Driver. And Motor Trend. Are they all about "image over substance"?

Don't get me started on Mustang Monthly, oops I mean Car and Driver and Motor Trend.

And Money magazine? Who cares? I'll read them for investment advice, but not car info.

And I'm sure that the Massachusetts Lesbian Journal or the Seattle Starbucks Sipper Daily may like the Fit, too, but that's not the point of my argument. :smile:

BTW: Just because it is a magazine does not mean that it is rock solid fact- it is an opinion, just like yours and mine.

[Dylanby]

BTW: Just because it is a magazine does not mean that it is rock solid fact- it is an opinion, just like yours and mine.

I mod thee +5 insightful (slash obvious).

[ECHOKnight2000]

Unfortuantly a lot of reviews of Yaris and cars in its class, they favor the other cars and "bash" the Yaris...I've only seen a very small amount of Yaris hatchback reviews but more of the sedan varient, I guess being in the U.S. they figure it is more relevant, also being the "higher" in choice of the two as far as function and features and price. I find it funny that a lot of reviewers gripe if a 12k economy car isn't "fast" but yet they still want fuel economy...they praise the Fit cause its the fastest, don't get me wrong that is legit, especially in the U.S. but for crying out loud its an ECONO car! Not a Ferrai ENZO (Or an ECHOKnight2000, :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :biggrin:). I was telling my co-worker that a lot of reviewers probably more so U.S. than others bashed the ECHO, but yet a lot of owners (myself included) love theirs, so obviously reviewers know jack-generally speaking. My co-worker is in the market for a new car and he wants to go the route I did, buy a new car, especially a small fuel efficient car...he was thinking about the FIT. He didn't care for the Yaris but I told him that the FIT is a dated design and the Yaris hatch and FIT aren't too far a part as far as size (right???), I know the FIT is larger in interior volume right?
He said he might consider a used ECHO, so I let him test drive my baby, of course the head snapping, nose bleeding exceleration got to him:bellyroll: :bellyroll: :bellyroll: :laugh: :rolleyes:

[swng]

Just interested to know whether the Fit's doors close with a confidence inspiring "clunk" sound.

[fnkngrv]

Just interested to know whether the Fit's doors close with a confidence inspiring "clunk" sound.


Not like the Y

[swng]

Thanks fnkngry. I knew it:wink::biggrin:.

[hhcchen]

usdm...
http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/merismus/evox/stills/gallery/3262_19.jpg

non-usdm...
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/2163000-2163999/2163755_1_full.jpg
it's all because of the bumpers...:thumbdown:

[Ran Kizama]

I think the bigger bumpers is because the US requires a bigger impact beam. The JDM version does look a hell of a lot better. :smile:

[ECHOKnight2000]

I agree, the JDM looks better...I don't mind the FIT cause it is a "wagon" and I like those its just the front of it (IMO) is Fugly!

[frederick moller]

Yeah,the Fit just doesn't cut it with me. I am a honda owner ('99CRV), but I am 99.9% sure I will be purchasing a '07 Yaris 4dr.hb.RS next year. To me the FIT is an UGLY car, sure it has a 5spd. auto option, but the YARIS still gets better mileage!

[heylookitsjames]

I am here to say that a manual yaris hatch IS faster than a manual fit (at least at freeway speeds). Some guy in my math class has one and we did several pulls on the freeway and I could routinely overtake him. This is probably due to the differences in gearing, as I assume the Fit has shorter gears than the Yaris.

[ChinoCharles]

I've seen these Fits. Yeah, Honda makes a great car. IMO, Honda is probably hands down the most prolific car manufacturer in the history of motoring. The Civic to this day is the most important car ever manufactured... affordable, reliable, efficient transportation brought to the masses. However, it doesn't change the fact that the Fit looks like a frickin' station wagon and you wouldn't catch me dead in one, any more than you would catch me in a minivan. I pop the hood of a Yaris and it just screams necessity. That is the coolest thing about this car... if you don't need it, be damn sure it isn't there! If the Fit had a shorter wheelbase and came in a two door, I might be listening, but it doesn't. It is what the Civic would have been... if it had been boring.

OK, I'm done venting. I don't drive a Fit, I throw one!

[Hyde]

some local Fit

AJR
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/Evilgloomy/DTP112Large.jpg

Boomplustoys
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/Evilgloomy/DTP025Large.jpg

REV
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/Evilgloomy/DTP133Large.jpg

My car representing lol
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a351/Evilgloomy/DTP164Large.jpg

[bigsky2]

Still one fugly ride.

[wlfpck]

weighs about the same as a civic.

gets about the same mpg as a civic.

civic looks better.

only a little less than a civic.


i'd rather get a civic than a fit.

[corey415]

weighs about the same as a civic.

gets about the same mpg as a civic.

civic looks better.

only a little less than a civic.


i'd rather get a civic than a fit.

You could argue the same thing with a Yaris and Corolla. The bottom line is that the hatch configuration isnt offered for Civic; at least not in NA.

[bulldogs2k]

I had the opportunity to sit inside a fit during a local s2000 meet. The interior was far better and was very appealing. You can tell the owner spent extra $$$ for the fit. It was tricked out with springs, HIDs and yellow fogs. The guy bought it for 15xxx! IMO it was alot of car for the money.

[Ran Kizama]

It's a girl car. I wouldn't be caught dead in one.

Pretty sure Skunk2 are the ones that said this. Skunk2 is a big Honda tuner, so hearing them say this on Street Tuner Challenge was kinda funny.

[oktaren]

i looked at the fit when i was looking for a yaris and no one had one. i think it is terrible looking. i prefer both the yaris and my gf's aveo hatchback to it. it is just ugly...i think it has to do with those headlights but im not sure.

what do people think of the nissan versa?

[ECHOKnight2000]

i looked at the fit when i was looking for a yaris and no one had one. i think it is terrible looking. i prefer both the yaris and my gf's aveo hatchback to it. it is just ugly...i think it has to do with those headlights but im not sure.

what do people think of the nissan versa?


I'm not too fond of the Nissan Versa, its alright, I'm partial to it...if they changed the front then yeah it would be more appealing (IMO). Although I think it insults sub-compacts cause its the size or very close to a compact, but claims it competes with the FIT, Yaris etc.?? I don't know! It certainly doesn't get as good gas milage-sort of close. Enough of that, that's for a different thread.

That red FIT I hit (not to mention the ladies in front of the Yaris-shallow I know), I think that color looks good, the JDM spec FIT is better or an improvement over the USDM version (IMO).

[Chaad32]

The fit is one fugly car....

[Chaad32]

Looks like a small mini-van.

[Sp33dY]

A fit aint a Hatch! Its more a minvan as u guys mentioned!

[TRD_Yaris]

I'm not too fond of the Nissan Versa, its alright, I'm partial to it...if they changed the front then yeah it would be more appealing (IMO). Although I think it insults sub-compacts cause its the size or very close to a compact, but claims it competes with the FIT, Yaris etc.?? I don't know! It certainly doesn't get as good gas milage-sort of close. Enough of that, that's for a different thread.

That red FIT I hit (not to mention the ladies in front of the Yaris-shallow I know), I think that color looks good, the JDM spec FIT is better or an improvement over the USDM version (IMO).


yup. the JDM spec FIT is way better than the USDM IMO. but same goes for the Yaris as well...we always get watered down crap....

[plushDJ]

And again, WHY THE F* DON'T THEY EVER TEST THE YARIS HB???

[SEaton]

I can't believe some of your posts guys. HONDAS ARE GREAT CARS, and so are Toyotas. The Fit looks fine. As they say in Spain "Sobre los gustos no hay nada escrito"

[SEaton]

If there is any car out there to hate it is the H2 and other SUV's that are never taken off road

[oktaren]

I can't believe some of your posts guys. HONDAS ARE GREAT CARS, and so are Toyotas. The Fit looks fine. As they say in Spain "Sobre los gustos no hay nada escrito"


i am sorry, but the fit does not look fine. and i have never heard any honda owner say that they are really GREAT. they always say yeah, they like them, but alot of them have had problems as well. but again, the fit ain't fine, its ugly.

[Packy]

^ Err, I own a Fit and I think it's really REALLY great. And, I haven't had any problems with it. There you go :wink:

The Yaris and the Fit are both great... it's not like you're going to get a crappy car if you go with one or the other.

[Tanabe USA]

They are both great cars, and we had a lot of fun developing on both platforms. The Yaris really appeals to a wide swath of consumers (including older drivers) who are looking at the total cost of ownership, and find that the Yaris really fits the bill with it's high amount of utility, low gas mileage, light weight, extremely low price and aesthetically pleasing appearance.

The Fit is its direct competitor, but is more noticeably targeted towards the youth demographic. It has a higher price tag, but does have more interior and exterior options, as well as more airbags. The Fit also has a high amount of interior volume, safety, and low gas mileage on it's side.

They are both fantastic cars and appeal to similar demographics, where the Yaris seems to be the more popular choice for commuters, and the Fit for younger drivers/new car owners.

You can't really go wrong choosing either.

[oktaren]

^ Err, I own a Fit and I think it's really REALLY great. And, I haven't had any problems with it. There you go :wink:

The Yaris and the Fit are both great... it's not like you're going to get a crappy car if you go with one or the other.


well i guess we just disagree then. i really think it might be the most hideous car on the road today.

[Ran Kizama]

If there is any car out there to hate it is the H2 and other SUV's that are never taken off roadAgreed.

i really think it might be the most hideous car on the road today.Pontiac Aztek anyone?

http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/2005-Pontiac-Aztek-04129291990003.JPG
This car makes baby Jesus cry.

[mrlam]

I knew someone said Honda Fit looks like a Mini Mini Van, to be honest I think it is. And this is the main reason I chose my yaris 4 days ago. Small car needs cute and fun, yaris did it really well.

[SEaton]

"This car makes baby Jesus cry."

agreed

[Packy]

well i guess we just disagree then. i really think it might be the most hideous car on the road today.

I was gonna say the Aztec actually wins hands-down, but Ran Kizama beat me to it. LOL. I think the exterior is sporty, personally. Here's my Fit:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/Sekulic/Fit/IMG_2399.jpg

Here are some ugly cars, IMO:

http://www.supanet.com/media/00/08/19/fiatmultipla.jpg
http://www.edmunds.com/media/reviews/top10/05.awd.4wd.vehicle/05.saturn.relay.500.jpg

:barf:

[hhcchen]

wow...
we have a friendly fit owner here...
welcome...
please share more of your car... more pic please...

[ECHOKnight2000]

Packy thats a nice car! My only gripe about the FIT is the long snout nose cause its USDM regulations:thumbdown: Otherwise I like it cause its a small wagon/hatch (personal preferance) Silver is a great color. What model trim did you get?? I have a co-worker who is considering the FIT, what advise would give me to pass to him?? I know you might be bias but that's why I'm asking, just your review on the FIT. Great pics and keep us update!:thumbsup:

[mrlam]

I found some pics, they are not bad, but still looks like a Mini Van.

[mrlam]

This is another pic i found you all can make a compare. The body kits for both not bad.

[oktaren]

Agreed.

Pontiac Aztek anyone?

http://images.consumerguide.com/autoreview/400x266/2005-Pontiac-Aztek-04129291990003.JPG
This car makes baby Jesus cry.

i dont like the aztec but the fit isn't any better, in fact they are sort of similar in shape. both disgusting.

[Yaris Revenge]

Heh, I've always liked the Aztek, except for the wheels... they always look too small for the body. Closest thing you can get to an "armored truck" look. :wink:

The Fit does look like a minivan, but I think the right body kit could probably cure it. Love the colors, particularly that orange. What really sours me toward buying one is knowing that 90% of the other Fit drivers out there will be those little ricer punks with their coffee can mufflers and poser race stickers. I want no part of that image. :thumbdown:

~YR

[Packy]

wow...
we have a friendly fit owner here...
welcome...
please share more of your car... more pic please...

Thanks :)

I was hanging out here and over at the fitfreak.net forums fairly evenly until we bought a Fit, but I thought I'd come back to see how everyone was enjoying their Yari.

As much as some folks from both sides hate the other car (Yari VS Fit), in the long run they both have extremely similar guts with different sheet metal on the outside.

Let me see if I can answer everyone's requests and questions :cool:

My car is an automatic (IE paddle shifters, woo!) Storm Silver Metallic Sport Fit.

--Mini-review--

Our reason for getting the Fit over anything else was because of the flexible seating, the feel and finish of the interior (it's SHARP!), the standard features, the paddle shifters, and the headroom. We felt claustrophobic test-driving the Yaris sedan, since the roof of the car dips up and back. It gives it a more agressive stance, but at the cost of interior headroom. It's not that our heads hit, but we just felt more closed in. We're used to the big windows on our Subaru Forester, so the Fit feelsl like the Forester's little brother. Trunk space is surprising in the Fit, and definitely bigger than, say, the xA. I love that the Fit Sport comes standard with all the airbags, ABS, cruise, mp3 CD headunit (200w, 6-speaker), foglights, skirt, spoiler, leather steering wheel and alloy wheels. Test driving the Fit was fun, and I thought that even with three people it did great, and the steering is sharp. The Yaris was just as peppy with three people, but I didn't feel quite as confident driving it.

After pricing out an xA, xB, and sedan Yaris with the same equipment, they were all extremely close in price. After our test-drive, we knew we loved the Fit. My wife's biggest gripe about the Yaris was the steering wheel, since she's used to having a leather one in the Forester. Minor gripe, but that's what sold her.

It is also reassuring to read all the reviews that equally enjoyed the Fit.

They're both great vehicles, and it really comes down to what you want... better exterior looks (Yaris) and more choices on options, or a bit more functionality, more standard features and better interior looks (Fit). I can agree that the Yaris looks better than the Fit. It even reminds me of a Mazda 3!

Here are some more pics, as requested!

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/Sekulic/Fit/IMG_2412.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/Sekulic/Fit/IMG_2397.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/Sekulic/Fit/IMG_2411.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g171/Sekulic/Fit/IMG_2405.jpg

[07WYarisRS]

The three cars we liked best when testing were the Mazda 3 sport, FIT and Yaris RS.
The mazda was the best handling and performace, best looking intrior but I felt it was incomfortable (stiff seats) and the price was pretty compared to the yaris high when you start adding in all the extras. So that pretty much ended that.

So it came down to the FIT and the Yaris...
I felt the Yaris was more nimble and quicker off the line and on the hwy and it felt like you were driving a car bigger then the yaris actually is. The wife could not really tell any difference.
The Fit felt like I was driving a lowered mini van, inside and out it looks and feels like it. Very nice interior layout and color, Performance wise they are very close but the fit feels lazy where the yaris feels a bit more peppy. (both were automatics)
The dealer pointed out about the car not yet being crash tested and even stressed how he wondered how the fuel tanks under the drivers/pass seats would fair in a side impact crash test. That also got me wondering....hmmmm

For us it came down to the yaris only because the car feels and looks like a car, handles like a car and has everything we wanted and needed. As much as I love the Honda's interior the wife kept bringin up how much it looks and reminds her of a mini van.

If the Yaris RS was not available I would have likely gone with the Fit.

[Packy]

Oh, and the crash-test results were another reason we went with the Fit. Keep in mind these are the NHTSA results, not the IIHS.

Fit: 5/5/5/3
Yaris: 4/4/3/3

key: front driver/front passenger/front side/rear side

[Bidoup]

My friend just bought a 07 Sport Fit... I have no trouble with Honda but the fit design is just so ugly... It look like a minivan for midgets!!!

[spacemanoeuvres]

I love hondas...

my girl has a 04 civic ex and I used to drive it every weekend (until I got my yaris)

but gawd'damn the fit is a fugly pos if I ever saw one. when I see one come to a stop I expect a procession of clowns to come pouring out :laugh:

my .02 but who the hell cares what I think anyway :biggrin: