Boring Tires Recommendation

[DaveG]

Hi,
I'm looking into replacing the tires on my '10 liftback. I really like the stock tires, but they're expensive according to tirerack.com, and their warranty is only to 40,000mi, which suggests that they don't last as long as other tires. Now, I'm not against spending money for tires, but if I'm going to buy expensive tires, I want them to last a long while.
So, I was wondering what your recommendations would be. My priorities are winter traction (live in PA), without giving up ride quality and fuel economy. Something like an all-season tire. I'm looking to replace with the stock 185/60-15 size.
I've noticed Yokohama TRZ and Pirelli P4 are rated highly on tirerack, and a local garage will give me a real good deal on either of the General altimax tires. What else is out there that I should be considering?
Thanks in advance for the help.

[Yaris Hilton]

Look at the UTQG wear ratings. The stock Goodyears are rated at 360. (That's a percentage of the wear life of some crummy reference tire set at 100.) There are quite a few inexpensive all-season tires rated in the 700 range now. Check the user reports on http://tirerack.com/ for a much broader cross section of experience than you'll find on this board. But I sure wouldn't replace the original tires before they wear out!!!!

[DaveG]

OEM's are certainly not going to come off the car until they're dead, but I'm trying to prepare for that day, as they are showing some wear.

[ctrj]

Michelin Harmony.

[Yaris Hilton]

You're hard on tires. I've got 12000 miles on my original Eagle LS and can't see any wear at all. (Haven't been measuring groove depth.)

[STC]

So, I was wondering what your recommendations would be. My priorities are winter traction (live in PA), without giving up ride quality and fuel economy. Something like an all-season tire. I'm looking to replace with the stock 185/60-15 size. Thanks in advance for the help.

Hey, I live in PA. What are your OEM tires? Bridgestone or Goodyear?

Mine are Bridgestone Potenza's. I'm looking at replacing my tires at around 36,000 - 45,000. The Kumho Solus KR21 or the Yokohama AVID TRZ are what I will replace them with. Both have excellent tread wear... 680 and 700 respectively!

Good traction for PA weather, but I hear you will have slightly more rolling resistance with these tires than your OEM's. Not much more! What do you want to sacrifice? MPG or traction? Too bad we live in PA...

In the Winter season you could run a good 'Winter tire' and in the Summer the Kumho eco Solus HM KR22 Low Rolling Resistant (LRR) tires? Just a thought... :smile:

Cheers!

[Red Horse]

try craiglist some people have tires stock tires that never been used

[custodian]

I will assume PA winters are snowy? Check out Tirerack for a summer tire with good treadwear ratings & then an inexpensive winter tire to grab the snow.

On one of our 2wd vehicles we went with Kuhmos in the summer & Firestone Winterforce in the snow. Both sets went for just over $200 each from Tirerack.

How does this combo look... the Kuhmos are rated at 800 treadwear & the Winterforce are great in the snow...

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=eco+Solus+HM+KR22&partnum=86TR5KR22&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Toyota&autoYear=2010&autoModel=Yaris Liftback&autoModClar=3-Door

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Firestone&tireModel=Winterforce&partnum=86SR5FWF&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Toyota&autoYear=2010&autoModel=Yaris Liftback&autoModClar=3-Door

[DaveG]

could somebody explain the UTQG system to me a little better than they do on tirerack? at http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=48 they make it sound like the treadwear number is something you can't really go by.

p.s. Stock tires are Bridgestone Potenza's.

[severous01]

there's way more involved than a number. camber, caster, toe adjustments, driving habits, type of vehicle tires are on, how car's driven and all has to do with the number. alignment is key to getting most mileage out of tires, that and rotating.

a few hints and i'm sure you've heard it before and just ignored...rotate, balance, alignment. they're offered as extras with every oil change you've had you just ignored them cuz you want the oil changed and only expected to pay 20 bux.

take care of them, drive on them easy (no donuts or spinning wheels...that heats up tires and changes the tread composition making them harder, making them spin more making them harder....bla bla bla...) and rotate your tires every oil change. you'll get 50k plus on the stockers...

usually the higher the number the longer it lasts...but also the less performance you get out of it (generally...)

[yarrr]

a few hints and i'm sure you've heard it before and just ignored...rotate, balance, alignment. they're offered as extras with every oil change you've had you just ignored them cuz you want the oil changed and only expected to pay 20 bux.

I really have no clue why you feel the need to assume a bunch and make yourself look like an ass. The OP is just asking for tire advice.


take care of them, drive on them easy (no donuts or spinning wheels...that heats up tires and changes the tread composition making them harder, making them spin more making them harder....bla bla bla...) and rotate your tires every oil change. you'll get 50k plus on the stockers...

tires get soft when they get hot. :iono:



I wouldn't trust craigslist tires. They could have been sitting in the sun for a year without showing much wear.

Buy from discount/america's tire. Free rotation, balancing, road hazard, and prorating on treadlife warranty. I burned through 60k tires in 27k, and got something like 250 bucks off my next set of tires, which happened to be pirelli p5's - I really like the tires. I'm about 15k in to them and they look brand new. My stock tires looked like crap after 10k.

[RedRide]

I have the "Yokamama Avid TRZ" on my '09 HB and so far, I really like them.
I originally had the "Goodyear Eagel LS" which were garbage IMO so, most tires would be an improvement more or less.

Having said that, the TRZ does offer very good dry traction and cornering stability.
It also has good wet traction with resistance to hydroplaning.
I haven't driven them in snow yet but, suspect they will be very good.
I have absolutly no regrets so far.
Coupled with my rear sway bar, the TRZs make traveling on twisty mountain roads much more enjoyable.

Keep in mind that the TRZ does have to be broken in (like most tires) and unltil you do they tend to ride rather harsh
However, after a couple hundred miles or so, they are very smooth riding.
In any event, Yokahama gives you a thirty days trial to return them in case you don't like them.

BTW, I think the 80,000 mile warenty for the TRZ is really unrealistic and don't expect that kind of wear but, I always replace a tire after 3-4 years anyway.
I will be happy if I get 40-50k miles considering the relatively low price of the TRZ. :smile:

[toad]

i have the trz's also and am very happy with them! consumer reports recently did a test on all the popular all-season tires out there and they were one of the best in wet traction, but not that high in snow. i've heard from other sources that yokohama's aren't known for their snow traction, but that's a pretty vague statement and i had them on last winter and they did fine for me(they were practically brand-new, however). they also make an touring-s model that is similar, but if i remember correctly it didn't do as well in the wet tests, but better in other areas.

[DaveG]

there's way more involved than a number. camber, caster, toe adjustments, driving habits, type of vehicle tires are on, how car's driven and all has to do with the number. alignment is key to getting most mileage out of tires, that and rotating.

a few hints and i'm sure you've heard it before and just ignored...rotate, balance, alignment. they're offered as extras with every oil change you've had you just ignored them cuz you want the oil changed and only expected to pay 20 bux.

take care of them, drive on them easy (no donuts or spinning wheels...that heats up tires and changes the tread composition making them harder, making them spin more making them harder....bla bla bla...) and rotate your tires every oil change. you'll get 50k plus on the stockers...

usually the higher the number the longer it lasts...but also the less performance you get out of it (generally...)

You know, I really take offense at this. I am a very careful, gentle, gas-mileage conscious driver, and I am not hard on my car. I would never spin my tires or do donuts, and I take meticulous care of my car. My tires are balanced, and the car is aligned (only 7k miles, too). I change my own oil, and spare no expense, or time. The tires have been rotated 100% as they should have been, and to be honest they probably don't need to be replaced for a while. I'm just being prepared and doing my research early. Honestly, come on. Where did you get the idea that I was a hot-rodder?

Anyway, one other thing I've been thinking is the separate winter(snow) and summer tires thing. It just seems like maybe I'm trying to make too many compromises here trying to find a do-all tire. Plus, with two sets, I would think they'd last forever. What would I be looking at price-wise for that? I have steel rims...maybe I could get a set of aluminums for the summer tires, and use the steels for snow tires? @custodian, you recommended this. What sort of price would I be looking at? Are those summer tires that you linked me to more like what I'm looking for, minus the snow traction? Seems like a nice solution, anyway.


consumer reports recently did a test on all the popular all-season tires out there and they were one of the best in wet traction, but not that high in snow.

Do you have a link to this? I'd love to read it. The TRZ's were one of the tires that I noticed, and I'm definitely considering them, so thanks for the info.


I wouldn't trust craigslist tires. They could have been sitting in the sun for a year without showing much wear.

Buy from discount/america's tire. Free rotation, balancing, road hazard, and prorating on treadlife warranty. I burned through 60k tires in 27k, and got something like 250 bucks off my next set of tires, which happened to be pirelli p5's - I really like the tires. I'm about 15k in to them and they look brand new. My stock tires looked like crap after 10k.

I was thinking the same thing about craigslist tires. I'm going to do this right, and that means brand new tires. Is America's tire a website, or a place? I don't think I've seen any near where I live.

Thanks!

[WolfWings]

For a year-round tire where you'll have to deal with snow and ice, Goodyear TripleTreds fit on non-lowered Yarii without rubbing in 195/60-15 if you don't mind paying a bit for the tires.

Otherwise, I've switched from that to dedicated three-season and seperate winter tires. My winters are the V-tread-pattern Blizzak's, 175/65-15's, and I'm for the other three seasons I'm running Michelin Primacy MXV4's in the same size as my TripleTreds have been, 195/60-15; bit spendy, but the ride is a dream and super quiet.

[swidd]

I found that buying tires from Jack Williams Tire in PA was cheaper than buying tires from tirerack and pay someone to install it.

[zachryboles]

i just got my falken 912's for a non winter tire and they are doing wonderful. wet traction is amazing.

[DaveG]

I found that buying tires from Jack Williams Tire in PA was cheaper than buying tires from tirerack and pay someone to install it.

You're right. My dad gets tires from Jack Williams, and got a real sweet deal. I think I'll check that out, no matter what I do.

[winbricks]

i've had good luck with my kumho ecsta ast's.

[firemachine69]

The stock'ers are junk. MUCH better tires for the money.


Having said that...


If you plan on selling the car in the future, "factory" tires add value to a car.

[RedRide]

The stock'ers are junk. MUCH better tires for the money.


Having said that...


If you plan on selling the car in the future, "factory" tires add value to a car.

I have to disagree with that.
Most "factory" tires are "entry level" tires and are widely regarded as garbage for the most part. They are definately nothing special.
So, if you upgrade your tires, it will certainly not decrease the value of a car. :smile:

[MUSKOKA800]

could somebody explain the UTQG system to me a little better than they do on tirerack? at http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=48 they make it sound like the treadwear number is something you can't really go by.

p.s. Stock tires are Bridgestone Potenza's.

The UTQG rating are not standardized across the industry so pretty much worthless when comparing between brands. Apples vs Oranges.

['LilRedYaris]

I really like the Dunlop Signatures that are on my Yaris. They seem to be a quality, and inexpensive tire.

[firemachine69]

I have to disagree with that.
Most "factory" tires are "entry level" tires and are widely regarded as garbage for the most part. They are definately nothing special.
So, if you upgrade your tires, it will certainly not decrease the value of a car. :smile:



Go to a dealer, tell him that, then come back and report with what they tell you, mm'kay?

:rolleyes:



People don't want what "you" think is an upgrade, they want to see what came from the factory.



Unless we're talking some highly visible tire upgrade (say, to a michelin hydro-edge), most people who read 'Sumito' on the sidewalls automatically think "cheap shit", regardless if that may be the case or not.

And anyone who bothers looking at tires, will instantly recognize the box-store replacements.

[RedRide]

Go to a dealer, tell him that, then come back and report with what they tell you, mm'kay?

:rolleyes:



People don't want what "you" think is an upgrade, they want to see what came from the factory.



Unless we're talking some highly visible tire upgrade (say, to a michelin hydro-edge), most people who read 'Sumito' on the sidewalls automatically think "cheap shit", regardless if that may be the case or not.

And anyone who bothers looking at tires, will instantly recognize the box-store replacements.

Well, things are a bit different here so, let's just agree to disagree.
Most in my area understand that factory tires are about the cheapest avalible. :)

Also, most would prefer new "upgrade" tires to worn factiory tires any day. The key word here is "upgrade", not downgrade. Ask your local dealer about that.:wink:

[DaveG]

not planning on selling the car anytime soon, so this is a non-issue for me. The yaris stock tires(potenza's) are some of the most expensive on tirerack.com, but I might want a less performance oriented tire if I was buying a yaris used.

Also, I was still curious what I'd be looking at money-wise for a separate pair of wheels+snow tires. Then I could keep the stock tires for summer until they're dead, and then replace them with something that is efficient and gives a comfortable ride, without having to compromise for snow performance. Any advice would be appreciated.

[custodian]

Right now, Tirerack is showing no steel wheels available for the Yaris... I would give them a call to find out when they may be available. I am sure that they were shown to be in warehouse last fall.

You can have the snows mounted & balanced... then shipped to your door.

http://www.tirerack.com/snow/WinterWheels.jsp?snowSortCode=10325&sortSize=15&winterType=A&RHP=N&beanNumber=0&Qty=4&startIndex=0&frontWidth=&frontRatio=&frontDiameter=&frontSortCode=&rearWidth=&rearRatio=&rearDiameter=&rearSortCode=&performance=W&compareList=&compare=false&displayResults=10&search=true&sortValue=0&Qty0=4&Qty1=4&Qty2=4&Qty3=4

They do show a 14" combo for the Yaris LB... but the tire is a bit more expensive... the steel wheel is $40 each.

[detroiter]

I've had the Dunlop Signatures on my car for quite a while and I'm really happy with them as well. Great treadwear and pretty good in the snow/rain. I'm just having to be a little more careful now though because the outter treads are starting to get flat due to too much heavy turning. The rest of the meat on the tires is wearing perfect and very well though.

[Vioz]

i paid about 400$ for 4 Toyo TPT tires 195/55/15. They are pretty decent i feel they are going to suck in the winter so I'm thinking of putting blizzak's on my steelies and then save up during winter to get summer tires on my rims