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cfeng

07-13-2010, 12:07 AM

Here is an item i found browsing the web. It claims 15% more power. Any thoughts? Anyone try it already?

http://www.powerenterpriseusa.net/products/electric/camcon/camcon.htm

Focus_Sh1ft

07-13-2010, 12:22 AM

This is INTERESTING. Only piggyback I know to control VVT-i (Garm, your custom FIC doesn't count). I know PE has a pretty bad rep on this forum, but otherwise I believe they're trusted elsewhere. The price isn't ludicrous either. Depending on the feedback here I may decide to be the guinea pig rather than going with an eManage blue...

cfeng

07-13-2010, 05:08 AM

Heres what the celica guys say
http://www.newcelica.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-207225.html

I miss my 92 Celica GTS...

cali yaris

07-13-2010, 12:33 PM

Garm, your custom FIC doesn't count

I have an EMS, not an FIC.

Jason uses (or was using) the CamCon with good results. There is more than one thread on it on here. :smile:

Parmas

07-13-2010, 02:12 PM

Here is an item i found browsing the web. It claims 15% more power. Any thoughts? Anyone try it already?

http://www.powerenterpriseusa.net/products/electric/camcon/camcon.htm

That depends on what engine revs and load where is that 15% of "more power" they claim. The camcon is related to the variable cam adjustment to retard or advance cam timing.

If you run stock and use the car for daily/street use, Toyota's stock cam timing setting is the best of all on an average on all engine speed and loads. You probably can get 15% more on high mid till high rev range but you then are probably loosing 25% of power between low to mid range speed.

Although you can still try it out and prove me wrong :biggrin:

Jason@SportsCar

07-14-2010, 02:07 PM

I have an EMS, not an FIC.

Jason uses (or was using) the CamCon with good results. There is more than one thread on it on here. :smile:

It came with the car. :wink: We (us and our tuner) thought the thing would be a joke, but we decided to go ahead and play with it while we waited on our new system. We were all surprised by how effective it was, especially considering the little control it gives you.

I don't have my laptop with the dyno charts with me, but we found improvements throughout the power band, hp and tq. Short of a stand alone, I would say it is a worthwhile mod. :thumbsup:

Found my previous post on our results: Checked the files, 11.1lb-ft tq and 13.2hp, on a Dynapack. Keep in mind those are flywheel numbers calculated from the hubs, not at the wheels power.

cfeng

07-14-2010, 02:44 PM

Thats awesome. Someone is offering me one new for $300. It is the old model CC-101, which model are you using Jason? Which other mods are you using with this?

Jason@SportsCar

07-14-2010, 03:13 PM

Thats awesome. Someone is offering me one new for $300. It is the old model CC-101, which model are you using Jason? Which other mods are you using with this?

I think it is a 101, no idea what the difference is.

cfeng

07-14-2010, 03:59 PM

Jason@SportsCar

07-14-2010, 04:07 PM

Jason, since you track your car often, you probably reset your ecu a lot. Do you know if the ecu adapts to settings over time?

Also, how greatly does your tune vary from the settings posted by power enterprises.
http://www.powerenterpriseusa.net/products/electric/camcon/data/1NZ-FE.gif

We have a kill switch and shut off the power to the car whenever it is not in use. We have not seen any difference in output from when we first tuned it.

I did not tune it, we use a pro, so I have no idea how the settings compare. But imo, if you buy any type of tuning device and don't get a pro tune, on a dyno, you are not getting the full potential out of it - a tune needs to be calculated into the cost.

cali yaris

07-14-2010, 04:43 PM

a tune needs to be calculated into the cost.

so true

cfeng

07-14-2010, 06:27 PM

i was hoping to do this driving around with a data logger. lol

teejay

07-15-2010, 03:50 AM

i had it installed on my car for awhile now just never had it tune im running modified stock settings listed on the site but i do feel a difference over not having it...my midrange feels alot stronger over no camcon. it was the 101 btw thats for toyotas

cfeng

07-15-2010, 06:21 PM

hmmm. so you are running the website tune for 100 octane on your yaris without any detonation?

teejay

07-17-2010, 08:03 PM

no problems well yet for the least its been running those settings for awhile...no sounds, no check engine light etc...

cfeng

07-17-2010, 09:54 PM

thats great to know, i'm definitely going to get it now. i'll get a better tune eventually, but with all of the other parts i still need to add, it would be a waste to do it now.

teejay, what gas are you using?

teejay

07-18-2010, 07:14 AM

good to hear you'll enjoy if any problems does arrise ill let ya'll know. btw the 100 octane in japan would be like our 87 theres different restriction they have out there and etc etc.

im using just regular 87 i feel like i get a slight power increase out of the 89 but i figure as long as i stay with a top tier brand it should be fine.

cfeng

07-21-2010, 07:56 PM

just bought one yesterday

Yoda

07-21-2010, 08:34 PM

just bought one yesterday

good luck wish i saw this earlier. Would have told you will probly be better of with emanage or FIC. Its not been tested much on a N/A yaris but the celica guys post some positive results. It should make power tho, you just need to advance the timing. Dont think you would need to adjust the fuel at all really the ecu is good for that.

cfeng

07-22-2010, 02:56 AM

Thanks Yoda. Got a book from amazon too, How to Tune and Modify Engine Management Systems by Jeff Hartman. Next I need, AF meter, data logger, and 3-axis accelerometer. Might as well buy headers now since I need to weld in an extra bung. Anyone know what steel the DC headers are made of?

cali yaris

07-22-2010, 12:21 PM

The header is so short, I would put the extra bung just past it; easier and accurate enough for tuning. All of my turbo projects have the bung on the downpipe.

evo165

09-02-2010, 06:28 AM

Hi cfeng, any update on your Camcon review?

henry33

09-02-2010, 09:28 AM

is the camcon really working or it is uselless ?

cali yaris

09-02-2010, 04:37 PM

Jason tuned with it on his race car, it worked great for him, so we do know it works.

henry33

09-03-2010, 04:28 AM

and do we have some proofs on dyno etc ? ;)

Jason@SportsCar

09-03-2010, 02:08 PM

and do we have some proofs on dyno etc ? ;)

I have dyno sheets. But we will not share them at this time. :wink: Once we are done with the project all of the data will be out there. I will tell you we are making more power now NA than this car did when it had FI. :evil:

You don't have to believe. When we looked at the CamCon we thought it had ebay crap written all over it. But our tuner was able to make good gains with it, I would say better than any single bolt-on (except FI or NOS).

There is no upside for me to lie about it... The unit came with the car, and we have taken it out and moved on to an AEM EMS series 2. Is the CamCon anywhere near as good as stand alone? Not a chance, you have very limited control. But considering it is a fraction of the cost of stand alone, and it works as advertised, I would say it is a good value.

From what we have seen Toyota left a lot on the table in the ECU dept. We have unlocked more power with tuning on the Yaris than any other NA car we have done. Just getting it over 6500rpm is a big gain - unfortunately a gain the CamCon will not get you. :frown:

henry33

09-03-2010, 05:02 PM

jason : where can I find more info about your project ? I am very interested in the tuning the yaris ;)
thanks

cali yaris

09-03-2010, 08:31 PM

Henry, read his post. They aren't releasing more than very general data until the project is through, and the articles are published.

Once we are done with the project all of the data will be out there.

stevethegimp

09-06-2010, 10:30 PM

Looks like i'll be a guinea pig too. Ordered a cc-111 today.

sleey0

09-06-2010, 11:42 PM

How would this run along, say, the blitz sc?

Could it be done or does the piggyback that come with the blitz supercede this?

blacksandiegovitz

09-07-2010, 01:20 AM

Looks like i'll be a guinea pig too. Ordered a cc-111 today.

^^ where did you order it from/ what modds are you running ???

stevethegimp

09-07-2010, 09:37 PM

^^ where did you order it from/ what modds are you running ???

I ordered it from http://shop.edoperformance.com/power-enterprise-camcon-toyota-p-10597.html! Seemed like the best deal on a new one.

I am currently installing 1zz injectors and a throttle body in preparation for a future turbo install.

johnny_vitz

09-09-2010, 01:23 AM

Jason tuned with it on his race car, it worked great for him, so we do know it works.

Would this show a decent gain if i'm supercharged (vs. N/A) ?
Greddy kit with emanage blue if it matters...:biggrin:

stevethegimp

10-20-2010, 01:44 AM

Not to revive a dead thread but I have a relatively big update. I recieved my Camcon about a month ago but was hit with a bout of unemployment and decided not to install it until I had a job again. Well good news for me and good news for anyone interested in a camcon unit. I installed it today!

I am a complete noob when it comes to crimping, splicing, and general wiring but I was able to install the unit in about 3 hours and have gotten no CELs or engine fires in the process! The male/female crimpers were probably the most problematic but with some ingenuity and some anger I was able to get everything tapped and installed.

I still need to get everything heat shielded and permanently installed plus drill a proper hole through the firewall but I will try to post my impressions once I start tinkering with the actual settings in the next few days. I will try the settings posted by Power Enterprises first before anything.

Have some pictures and if anyone needs help with wiring diagrams (has to be around the 2009 Yaris year) I can certainly work on them!

Hurray it came in!
http://i55.tinypic.com/ofne5i.jpg

First thoughts- "Oh my god what have I gotten myself into!?"
http://i55.tinypic.com/2ijn60m.jpg

My handy dandy wiring chart. Also super blurry.
http://i52.tinypic.com/2dbux4h.jpg

Success! No CELs and no fire in the engine bay!
http://i55.tinypic.com/if49ra.jpg

True pros hang their piggybacks through the passenger window during the test drive. Way too tired to drill a proper hole through the firewall tonight.
http://i52.tinypic.com/jg0aw6.jpg

henry33

10-20-2010, 04:04 AM

cool what is the feeling of the drive now ?
keep us updated ?

cfeng

10-20-2010, 04:56 AM

thats amazing. mine is still on my desk. im waiting to install my headers and hopefully that micro image manifold first.

stevethegimp

10-20-2010, 10:30 AM

blacksandiegovitz

10-20-2010, 08:41 PM

I was able to install the wiring through a grommet so no drilling! It's definitely a little more aggressive in the mid range but i'm a bit on the rich side after 5000rpm, i'd rather play a bit conservative at first than run lean.

Overall the installation was not as frightening as I first thought!

http://i53.tinypic.com/k49x5f.jpg

^^ Sweet I just picked up a camcon about 2 weeks ago and im about to wire it up sunday if my Aem wideband gauge gets shipped in time . Can you please tell where the existing grommet in the firewall is and also help with the wiring . Thanks

stevethegimp

10-20-2010, 11:06 PM

^^ Sweet I just picked up a camcon about 2 weeks ago and im about to wire it up sunday if my Aem wideband gauge gets shipped in time . Can you please tell where the existing grommet in the firewall is and also help with the wiring . Thanks

No problem! I'll start working on a post and put it up tomorrow!

blacksandiegovitz

10-21-2010, 11:52 AM

No problem! I'll start working on a post and put it up tomorrow!

Sweet! thanks

stevethegimp

10-21-2010, 11:09 PM

Ok so here is my short and simple install guide.

So you'll obviously need to disconnect the negative terminal on your battery before doing anything, don't want to get any nasty surprises!

Next- You should definitely memorize/refer back to this picture during installation.

http://i55.tinypic.com/10horq1.jpg

The ECU we will be hijacking is located on the passenger side firewall under the hood, there will be a long and short connector. Go ahead and disconnect both as you will be doing the informational wiring on the long connector and the 12v source on the short.

I initially did some research on the Yaris repair book to get the correct existing ecu wire colors but once I actually started doing the splices I threw it out. The color codes are pretty ambiguous and as long as you double/triple check which wire goes to which port you should be fine, i.e. count from left to right, big or small.

On the above diagram all but the "cam" and "a/f" wires will be using the wire taps provided, these are a piece of cake and require no cutting. The "cam" and "a/f" wires do require you to cut them in order to intercept the signal and allow the camcon to do it's magic, you will use a male/female splice connector on these. The included instructions are pretty clear which color from the camcon harness goes to which wire. The following URL has the wiring schedule ---> http://www.powerenterpriseusa.net/products/electric/camcon/data/installation-english.pdf (Page 10 of the PDF)

When all is said and done make sure to reconnect the ecu harness into the ecu and reconnect the negative cable to the terminal. Then proceed to follow the camcon instructions on proper starting procedures to make sure everything is up and running.

I routed the actual camcon harness wire through a bung located in the passenger footwell, under the carpet. You can just pull the plug out and run the harness along the firewall, taking care to keep it away from the exhaust manifold (mine is roughly 5-6 inches from the manifold). I installed it right next to the cigarette/power adapter on the bottom of the center console to make sure it was out of sight at night and still be accessible.

The following is the chart I followed in programming the cam angle/ a/f values and will be fine tuning.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2djc9yc.gif

Honestly it was not too terrible to install and this was my first time splicing a wire in my life. I would certainly recommend researching splicing techniques prior to installing.

Good luck to any fellow YW members who decide on attempting this!

Bluevitz-rs

10-21-2010, 11:17 PM

Do you run a wide-band O2 sensor, or how do you know you're running rich after 5000rpm?

johnny_vitz

10-21-2010, 11:20 PM

Are you going to tune it or just use those numbers?

stevethegimp

10-21-2010, 11:24 PM

I have an aftermarket A/F gauge! I've been approaching close to 11.7 around the 5000 mark. Not sure if my 1zz injectors might be the culprit or if i'm just being overly paranoid and un-educated in what the Yaris likes.

A proper tune is certainly in order.

jouna

11-02-2010, 05:28 PM

stevethegimp

11-03-2010, 03:19 PM

i dont know if the ecu harnessfor the sedan is connected the same way as the camcon instructions but im having trouble finding the right wires in my ecu. the graph that the camcon guys give you is the right size and holes but when i look for the wires in the back thereare no wires conected to the actual hole they give you. if someone can tell me the colors i would apreciate it

Well I had the same issue at first. What you need to do is look at the pin out guide in an orientation like you were about to plug the harness back in.....so plug face away from you. Once you do that you should see the corresponding wires.

cali yaris

11-03-2010, 03:54 PM

I have an aftermarket A/F gauge!

He asked if it's a wideband. Where are you getting the data?

hatchbackkid82

11-03-2010, 04:41 PM

Sorry to sound like a noob, but bottom line is; this will add power, right? with a tune

jouna

11-03-2010, 10:30 PM

Well I had the same issue at first. What you need to do is look at the pin out guide in an orientation like you were about to plug the harness back in.....so plug face away from you. Once you do that you should see the corresponding wires.

haha yeah... i imagined that after i posted... but no biggie i managed to plug it in that same day.

33OH

11-04-2010, 09:13 PM

Anyone who has installed the CamCon recently.. thoughts?

jouna

11-05-2010, 07:18 PM

i installed it and currently running the diagram in their website. i do feel a difference but looking foward to dyno it and tune it next week. my setup is a custom intake manifold 1zz inj. polished 1zz throttel i have a ram air in my front bumper with a carbon fiber velocity stack and an air box filter so all the cold air gets in and no dirty air or water ;-) header 2.25 custom exhaust with a 2.00 muffler and of course the camcon. ill post results next week hoping to get a good a/f setting with the intake manifold and of course good numbers

cali yaris

11-05-2010, 07:20 PM

^ I want to see the intake mani

monchyxb

01-11-2011, 04:18 PM

I hope this helps! I had the camcon, AEM CAI, Ebay header, stock exhaust without the catalytic and resonator, and DC sports axle back. I had 18" rims so maybe there were a little more gains with smaller rims and a bigger exhaust.:burnrubber:

Bar_Red_Yaris

11-16-2012, 12:01 AM

I got a CEL now after installing mine. "Cam sensor bank A" or something like that. Any thoughts???:iono:
I'm almost positive the CEL came right up after install. Faulty unit or is this a common occurence?

Bluevitz-rs

11-16-2012, 12:02 AM

you didn't hook it up right.

JustDidIt

11-26-2012, 01:34 AM

Anyone have anymore input on this device? Know if anyone has tried this with the 1NZ-FXE?

Barneyncp93

03-14-2015, 12:37 AM

For vvt-i and the like, a piggyback that can control cam timing is what you need.

Certainly, a piggyback is just a piggyback. It will help to maximize. Without changes/upgrades, the best you can do with it is to play with AFR.
But for vvti, when you upgrade any of parts relating to airflow, you need to change the cam timing to maximize it. The ignition timing wont help much.

Why cam timing needs to adapt to changes in flow? For non vvt-i (vvt or worse), for example, the cam timing around 6000RPM is the same as previous RPMs, say from 4000 RPM. The setting is not optimal since we know that the cam needs to retard bit by bit with higher RPMs, understanding the exhaust needs more time to expel out the gas so that the intake will flow okay.

However, in vvti, the initial/standard timing is almost perfect, so that we know the rpm 6000 has already less advance in cam timing than rpm 4000.

And when we upgrade the exhaust, the vvti needs more advance timing than the non vvti . Many people take off the intelligent system because they think it is better not to have the vvti!! They are correct if the timing can not be moved. The vvti will be an obstacle to the better flow especially on the RPMs most people talk about, peak HP RPMs.

But how about if you can move it?

I only have experience working with Camcon. (I am not a PE employee)
I have seen cars making 15-20% increase before and after camcon, but the exhaust needs to be so strong than standard. We know it is not because camcon has the magic. Camcon only opens the block caused by the wrong intake timing. So the better you have exhaust system the more you need Camcon (or other piggyback that has the same cam timing function).

You can go here to the link of dyno chart to see the stronger power only with the Catback ezhaust and the cam timing changes. (AFR is not utilized yet). The air filter is still standard.

https://www.facebook.com/HastaWS/photos/pb.111992312166926.-2207520000.1426299677./920460541320095/?type=1&theater

or

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=55114&stc=1&d=1426303892

marion2

07-09-2015, 11:57 PM

I do have a 2nz-fe on my Yaris Sedan here in the Philippines and I just want to clarify after I have upgraded my intake, headers and exhaust and use a Camcon by P.E. would there be a significant gain after we tune it or is this only applicable on a 1nz-fe engine?

Bluevitz-rs

07-10-2015, 06:33 AM