Toyota sandbagging the Yaris

[jambo101]

"but when I went to the Toyota site, it's listed only at 29/36."
A quote from another forum when i suggested the Yaris for the op's search for an economical car thats not a hybrid:iono:
I'm sure every one here knows the Yaris is easily capable of +40mpg with easy driving style, how come Toyota hasnt figured it out?.
In fact its almost as if Toyota doesnt like the Yaris as i see no advertising for the Yaris lineup:confused:

[yarrr]

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

[Rain]

You should also consider the EPA testing standards

[jpmck03]

...the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

:laughabove:
I've gotten 42 mpg on a very safe trip driving to my parents place and back. It involved properly inflated tires, following the speed limit, and none of that dangerous rolling-downhill-with-the-engine-off-and-running-through-stop-signs hypermiling crap. It's very doable.

[fnkngrv]

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.


Ummm....prolly should make sure that if you are going to make a statement like that then you back it up rather than just a one liner. There are plenty of safe habits that can easily bump you into the 40+ range if that is your cup of tea. I did it on a regular basis prior to my mods without "dangerous" habits. For example making sure that you shift before hitting the 2k RPM mark when feasible will get you over the 36MPG mark they claim. You are not over inflating your tires for example if you put them to the max of 40-42 PSI. I know with my Falken's Falken actually instructed me to inflate to that pressure for my 912's. Just sayin...

[41magmag41]

I routinly get 38 to 41 with my sedan with an automatic and a/c on the interstate running 75 or so. The yaris is capable of excellent mileage with a little care.

[Kal-El]

Just arrived from a 900 mile road trip (MA - TN) with an approximately 650 pound load. Averaged 75 MPH with AC the whole way. Did 38.5 MPG with no special techniques.

[127.0.0.1]

:laughabove:
I've gotten 42 mpg on a very safe trip driving to my parents place and back. It involved properly inflated tires, following the speed limit, and none of that dangerous rolling-downhill-with-the-engine-off-and-running-through-stop-signs hypermiling crap. It's very doable.

bu only flat and slow. can't do that with 'ordinary average use' for epa rating

[BailOut]

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[brg88tx]

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

wrong, i do not overinflate or do any other hypermiling techniques and i got a little over 40 mpg on my last tank of about 50% city, 50% highway driving, running the a/c most of the time.

[Chuck G]

I routinly get 38 to 41 with my sedan with an automatic and a/c on the interstate running 75 or so. The yaris is capable of excellent mileage with a little care.

Me too!!

[Hershey]

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits. Not so , I keep tire pressure at 34 > 36 p.s.i. and use ECO-METER to easily achieve 40+ m.p.g.. The warmer the weather the better the performance . Don't turn off car when stopped or coasting . That's getting risky ( for me ) . Have nailed 40+ many times without the assistance of the E.M.. Both are automatics . Most times include 2 people ( other 1/2 and I ) . 40+ with 3 riding on occasion . Pulse and glide . Learned that from the '07 PRIUS we had . Can be applied to YARIS or any other vehicle for improving fuel economy .

[Hershey]

Here's an example : 2008 base sedan w/ automatic ; 2 people , 89 octane , tires at 35 p.s.i. , Shell 5w-30 conventional , 84 degrees , winds of 20+ m.p.h. , many hills , and average speed of 48 m.p.h.. Mileage is actually little more . Likely closer to 44 . The ECO-METER is set at 98 and reads lower than the calculated fills of gas and miles . Setting of 99 reads too high . No in betweens .

[SilverBack]

Ummm....prolly should make sure that if you are going to make a statement like that then you back it up rather than just a one liner. There are plenty of safe habits that can easily bump you into the 40+ range if that is your cup of tea. I did it on a regular basis prior to my mods without "dangerous" habits. For example making sure that you shift before hitting the 2k RPM mark when feasible will get you over the 36MPG mark they claim. You are not over inflating your tires for example if you put them to the max of 40-42 PSI. I know with my Falken's Falken actually instructed me to inflate to that pressure for my 912's. Just sayin...

Exactly. I'm running Falken 502's @ 40 PSI all around without hypermiling, and right now I'm averaging 36/38 MPG. Anyone who's claiming MPG readings close to 30 is full of shit. Sorry

[KRAZGRL]

I pretty much always get about 35-38mpg. I blame soCal traffic and driving up hills (it's not flat here) for not breaking the 40mpg mark. I may take the car to Vegas... I'm really interested in how it will do.

[jambo101]

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

The EPA may have that number representing the Yaris but obviously Toyota Approves of it as thats the numbers it posts on its website,
My car with no mods and 35psi in the tires gets 44 to 45mpg when cruising on the highway at 70mph and if i go 55mph that figure goes up close to 50mpg,there may be many people who are looking for a car with that kind of economy as an alternative to a hybrid but if Toyota is advertising 29/36 rather than 38/50 those people may look elsewhere.

[firemachine69]

EPA estimates are based on normal ass-hat style "stomp-go-brake" driving.

With the A/C on.

On an engine that isn't even fully broken-in.

[bronsin]

Just FYI: no one stops for stop signs in NJ! Just check it out!

[Kal-El]

The EPA may have that number representing the Yaris but obviously Toyota Approves of it as thats the numbers it posts on its website,
My car with no mods and 35psi in the tires gets 44 to 45mpg when cruising on the highway at 70mph and if i go 55mph that figure goes up close to 50mpg,there may be many people who are looking for a car with that kind of economy as an alternative to a hybrid but if Toyota is advertising 29/36 rather than 38/50 those people may look elsewhere.

You don't seem to understand the laws. Neither Toyota or any other company are allowed to claim anything other than the government generated EPA numbers. Every car can easily beat EPA estimates but that doesn't mean the company can advertise the potential MPG.

[127.0.0.1]

You don't seem to understand the laws. Neither Toyota or any other company are allowed to claim anything other than the government generated EPA numbers. Every car can easily beat EPA estimates but that doesn't mean the company can advertise the potential MPG.


true. I 'potentially' can get 348mpg rolling out my driveway and down the first hill, coast to a stop and shut off the motor. can I claim the Yaris gets 348 mpg ?


real world, it gets 36 mpg. epa estimates are pretty accurate.

[Canuck]

Bottom line is that all the cars are tested the same way. We can sit and and bitch about the testing methods, but if a car's EPA beats the Yaris, then driving that car like some of us drive our Yaris would yield even better results.

[Kal-El]

Bottom line is that all the cars are tested the same way. We can sit and and bitch about the testing methods, but if a car's EPA beats the Yaris, then driving that car like some of us drive our Yaris would yield even better results.

Exactly.

[marcus]

37mpg here,, slightly heavier rims and tire set up.

[wsladaritz]

question: How are you figuring the mpg? I set the trip meter to 0 when I fill up. On the next fill up I divide the miles by the gallons put into the tank. According to that method the best I have every gotten was 38.... and that was just once. I generally get around 31-34. I kept track for about the first 2 years. But I haven't been keeping track for about 1 1/2 years now.

Is that how you are calculating mpg's? Or are you using a tool that gives constant updates to your mpg? Like 127.0.0.1 said about getting 348 rolling down the driveway, but if you were driving up a hill it would display something much lower... like 20 something or maybe. Cause I know my sisters Envoy has all that fancy computer stuff measuring all that for her and I can get it to display 80+ under the right conditions. But I can also get it to display 6.

[brg88tx]

my guess is toyota sandbagged the yaris so it wouldn't take away prius sales.

[Happy Little Pony]

The EPA changed its testing criteria after the 2007 model year. My 2007 was rated at 40mpg highway. Under the new standards, it only rates 36. Check it out at http://www.fueleconomy.gov

For what it's worth, I can generally beat 36mpg in city driving. I can get above 40 on the highway without any tricks, dangerous or otherwise.

[The little red pill]

question: How are you figuring the mpg? I set the trip meter to 0 when I fill up. On the next fill up I divide the miles by the gallons put into the tank. According to that method the best I have every gotten was 38.... and that was just once. I generally get around 31-34. I kept track for about the first 2 years. But I haven't been keeping track for about 1 1/2 years now.

Is that how you are calculating mpg's? Or are you using a tool that gives constant updates to your mpg? Like 127.0.0.1 said about getting 348 rolling down the driveway, but if you were driving up a hill it would display something much lower... like 20 something or maybe. Cause I know my sisters Envoy has all that fancy computer stuff measuring all that for her and I can get it to display 80+ under the right conditions. But I can also get it to display 6.

Exactly! I average about 33-36 driving very easy and rarely use a/c, mostly highway driving at 60mph. I question the techniques of some of the people who go 75 mph+ with a/c going that claim 40+ mpg. I'm very specific about my recording technique and have been through Calculus II in college so I know my calculations. lol

[auxmike]

I've not broken 32mpg in 2+ years of ownership.
I'm getting a steady 30 mpg and that's with A/C on everyday this summer.
The best I ever got on my '97 Saturn twin cam was about 28mpg on a 1.9L engine. It was a stick shift, BTW.
I guess the 5 speed makes a huge difference....:iono:

[ryota]

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

44mpg driving down south... the only "dangerous" thing i did was keep my speed at about 70 the whole time (all expressway)... i probably could have hit 50 with over inflated tires.:thumbup: (total sarcasm at the end, by the way)

[127.0.0.1]

question: How are you figuring the mpg? I set the trip meter to 0 when I fill up. On the next fill up I divide the miles by the gallons put into the tank. According to that method the best I have every gotten was 38.... and that was just once. I generally get around 31-34. I kept track for about the first 2 years. But I haven't been keeping track for about 1 1/2 years now.

Is that how you are calculating mpg's? Or are you using a tool that gives constant updates to your mpg? Like 127.0.0.1 said about getting 348 rolling down the driveway, but if you were driving up a hill it would display something much lower... like 20 something or maybe. Cause I know my sisters Envoy has all that fancy computer stuff measuring all that for her and I can get it to display 80+ under the right conditions. But I can also get it to display 6.

scangauge and consistent fill-up procedure and setting the scangauge with
actual gas pumped in to 1st click. pretty durn accurate

[yarrr]

hahaha. Sorry to everyone in this thread, I searched ebay for panty untwisters to no avail.

I hold by my statement. Read redlittlepill and wsla's posts. You are all padding your numbers, or doing something unsafe. At least bailout admits he does dumb stuff like 60 psi and shutting the engine off going down hill.

The average driver won't drive enough city, won't drive enough long trips, and won't accelerate slow enough to ever see 40 mpg. Congrats if you do(and you aren't lying like 99% of people who feel the need to post their mpg on the internet).

[SLIK4]

hahaha. Sorry to everyone in this thread, I searched ebay for panty untwisters to no avail.

I hold by my statement. Read redlittlepill and wsla's posts. You are all padding your numbers, or doing something unsafe. At least bailout admits he does dumb stuff like 60 psi and shutting the engine off going down hill.

The average driver won't drive enough city, won't drive enough long trips, and won't accelerate slow enough to ever see 40 mpg. Congrats if you do(and you aren't lying like 99% of people who feel the need to post their mpg on the internet).

it sure isn't very nice to assume 99% of the people are lying. sounds to me like you are just looking to start something.

i can't speak for gas mileage because i don't keep track. but for toyota not showing commercials it's probably because the yaris is selling well enough for them that they don't need to spend the extra cash on advertisements.

[R2D2]

Well I calculate at the pump the old fashioned way and my last two tanks were 46.2 mpg and 45.4 mpg respectively. With a granny tranny, almost constant AC use, mostly 10 mile trips in very hilly rural/in town/city driving. I do not "pad my numbers".

The "stupid" stuff I do includes 60 psi in tires, moderate acceleration, speed limit or slightly less, timing traffic lights, minimize idle time, and maximize effective DFCO use.

Gotta love the mentality where one hasn't done it so others who have must be lying.

Does it take effort? Yes. More than most would deem feasible I'm afraid. I still can't hold a candle to some here in terms of FE but I'm trying and steadily improving.
Oh, and for those that don't like people posting about their FE here's a tip-don't read FE threads!

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[wsladaritz]

... toyota not showing commercials it's probably because the yaris is selling well enough for them that they don't need to spend the extra cash on advertisements.

:thumbsup: I know the commercials sold me!!! I saw one during superbowl the year before they came out. I said to folks,"I'm gonna get me one of those! That car looks awesome!" 10-2006 I fulfilled my self-proclaimed prophecy!!

[Hershey]

hahaha. Sorry to everyone in this thread, I searched ebay for panty untwisters to no avail.

I hold by my statement. Read redlittlepill and wsla's posts. You are all padding your numbers, or doing something unsafe. At least bailout admits he does dumb stuff like 60 psi and shutting the engine off going down hill.

The average driver won't drive enough city, won't drive enough long trips, and won't accelerate slow enough to ever see 40 mpg. Congrats if you do(and you aren't lying like 99% of people who feel the need to post their mpg on the internet).

it's no :bs: . Being honest . :wink:

[jambo101]

Just quoting my scangauge readings,Average fuel economy readings = 36-38 around town and 44 to 47 at 70mph on the highway.:iono:

[firemachine69]

Exactly! I average about 33-36 driving very easy and rarely use a/c, mostly highway driving at 60mph. I question the techniques of some of the people who go 75 mph+ with a/c going that claim 40+ mpg. I'm very specific about my recording technique and have been through Calculus II in college so I know my calculations. lol



Ambient temperature plays a HUGE factor in fuel economy, I've noticed the 1NZ-FE is particularly sensitive to incoming air temperature, when it comes to overall fuel-economy.

[Steveh27]

My first check of mpg was on a 120 mile stretch of I94, going 74 mph using cruise control with the AC on. It was in the mid 80's outside. I write down the odometer reading when filling the tank. I got 39.6 mph. :w00t: Tires had 32 psi.

In town I've gotten between 33.5-36 mpg.

[Shroomster]

my wife' yaris has a roughly 5 mile one way trip to work. lots of stop and go. Her tank gets filled around 270 miles. Her avg mpg is 26-28; she puts in 10 gallons give or take a few ounces. The yaris is a 2007 with around 18,000

My honda civic has a 26 mile one way trip to work. mix of stop and go and over 2 mile cruising areas.I fill up anywhere between 320-390 miles. I put between 11-12 gallons; I avg 30-33 mpg. my civic is 10 years old now with 115,000 miles


its more than driving habits when it comes to mpg.

[KrazyDawg]

The EPA may have that number representing the Yaris but obviously Toyota Approves of it as thats the numbers it posts on its website,
My car with no mods and 35psi in the tires gets 44 to 45mpg when cruising on the highway at 70mph and if i go 55mph that figure goes up close to 50mpg,there may be many people who are looking for a car with that kind of economy as an alternative to a hybrid but if Toyota is advertising 29/36 rather than 38/50 those people may look elsewhere.
That's pretty good. If I average 70 MPH, I usually get 35-36 MPG and if I'm fortunate 37 MPG. I've been able to get 39 MPG only driving 55 MPH one way and 70 MPH on the way back hitting traffic. 60 MPH usually yields 37-38 MPG for me.

There's a lot of factors that affect the MPG such as terrain, weather, A/C, driving style, tire pressure, ethanol gas, etc. The old EPA standards used to have a professional driver drive at 50 MPH on a closed circuit course. The newer EPA standards (2008) are supposed to bring more realistic results of people driving above the speed limit using A/C, etc. Easy going driving will yield results like yours and many can beat the new EPA standards.

[D Unit]

How big of a factor is the transmission (manual vs. automatic)? I also have a 2008 Scion XB and average about 28 to 29 mpg (70 highway/30 city) in my automatic, but the manual tranny guys average anywhere from 2 to 4 miles better. Is it the similar situation in the Yaris world too?

[Astroman]

Pretty much, but some automatics have gotten 40+mpg. I have an 07 auto modded, and a stock 09 manual. My modified auto gets about 36 on the highway, while the stock 09 manual gets 44.

Mods on mine are the RS front bumper, VIS vented carbon fibre hood, C-ONE replica carbon fibre spoiler, DC sports header, NST lite pulley set, AEM CAI, 17" drag dr-9 wheels with nitto neo gen tires, and a 1zz TB swap (they weigh 40lbs total each, vs. 33lbs for the stock 15" steely). *mods i've done that could affect MPG

[Hershey]

wonder how much fuel saving tires could help bump up the gas mileage ? 2 > 4 ? Anyone actually put these on their YARIS with better m.p.g.s ? :iono:

[KrazyDawg]

wonder how much fuel saving tires could help bump up the gas mileage ? 2 > 4 ? Anyone actually put these on their YARIS with better m.p.g.s ? :iono:

I plan on getting the Bridgestone Ecopia EP100 (summer tires) when my tires need to be replaced. Look for rebates since they come out frequently at Costco or America's Tires. TireRack did testing on some LRR tires: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/testDisplay.jsp?ttid=121

I had Michelin HydroEdge tires on my 95 Civic. It's hard to say how much of an improvement there was since my commute changed a few months after the install from 60 miles (no traffic) to 130 miles (moderate to heavy traffic). I was also driving 70+ MPH. If you want to check out the gaslog it's available at http://www.gassavers.org/garage/viewgaslog/1277

[tk-421]

Oh, and for those that don't like people posting about their FE here's a tip-don't read FE threads!

:clap:

[sickpuppy1]

hahaha. Sorry to everyone in this thread, I searched ebay for panty untwisters to no avail.

I hold by my statement. Read redlittlepill and wsla's posts. You are all padding your numbers, or doing something unsafe. At least bailout admits he does dumb stuff like 60 psi and shutting the engine off going down hill.

The average driver won't drive enough city, won't drive enough long trips, and won't accelerate slow enough to ever see 40 mpg. Congrats if you do(and you aren't lying like 99% of people who feel the need to post their mpg on the internet).

I'm actually kinda suprised you hang here if were a bunch of liars! Not sure why you got that jaded, but it is what it is. I keep my tires at 38psi and I do admit My driving habits have mellowed since I got the Yaris, but only in the respect that I'm aware of avoiding quick starts off the line and I dont do 80+ on the highway on my way home. I stick closer to 70-75 and I use the AC alot. Use cruise alot too, but that mostly cause of brainfade while listening to music. I routinely get 38 to 39mpg with it like it is...stock except the tire pressure, my spoiler I bought on ebay and the rear swaybar from microimage (I want to be honest about it ya know....)
On the tire pressure thing, I don't believe in going over the max sidewall pressure in any situation. Realize that the mfg rating is a compromise between handling and comfort. The softer tire rides better , but rolls over when handling. The higher pressure handles good but rides real stiff and is harder on the suspension. You may or may not know that the softer (32psi) actually runs hotter and more prone to blow outs than a higher pressure due to increased rolling resistance. An under inflated tire is as much if not more un-safe than than a slightly over inflated tire due to that. I run 38 because for me, going higher just gets too rough. As it is, people still comment on how good it rides for a small car! I have gotten over 40 twice on a 99% highway trip at 70-75 with ac, so it is possible without trying very hard. I wonder if, since you are in New Mexico, that your altitude is much higher and that's why yours is lower? I'm at like 700 ft above. but the humidity here sucks big time!!! I don't care if it is better on mileage,I'd give up 3-4 mpg to have the Colorado humidity back.
Oh yeah, mine is a 2010 sedan w/automatic

[yarrr]

I'm actually kinda suprised you hang here if were a bunch of liars! Not sure why you got that jaded, but it is what it is. I keep my tires at 38psi and I do admit My driving habits have mellowed since I got the Yaris, but only in the respect that I'm aware of avoiding quick starts off the line and I dont do 80+ on the highway on my way home. I stick closer to 70-75 and I use the AC alot. Use cruise alot too, but that mostly cause of brainfade while listening to music. I routinely get 38 to 39mpg with it like it is...stock except the tire pressure, my spoiler I bought on ebay and the rear swaybar from microimage (I want to be honest about it ya know....)
On the tire pressure thing, I don't believe in going over the max sidewall pressure in any situation. Realize that the mfg rating is a compromise between handling and comfort. The softer tire rides better , but rolls over when handling. The higher pressure handles good but rides real stiff and is harder on the suspension. You may or may not know that the softer (32psi) actually runs hotter and more prone to blow outs than a higher pressure due to increased rolling resistance. An under inflated tire is as much if not more un-safe than than a slightly over inflated tire due to that. I run 38 because for me, going higher just gets too rough. As it is, people still comment on how good it rides for a small car! I have gotten over 40 twice on a 99% highway trip at 70-75 with ac, so it is possible without trying very hard. I wonder if, since you are in New Mexico, that your altitude is much higher and that's why yours is lower? I'm at like 700 ft above. but the humidity here sucks big time!!! I don't care if it is better on mileage,I'd give up 3-4 mpg to have the Colorado humidity back.
Oh yeah, mine is a 2010 sedan w/automatic

Everything you've said is believable, and you're not breaking 40 even with conservative driving(unless as you say its a 99% hwy trip). Are we seeing a pattern yet?

Safe/Sane the yaris won't break 40 mpg in MOST conditions. Breaking laws and driving unsafely, its easy to get most 4 cylinder light cars above 40 mpg.

And I never said I don't like reading the FE/fantasy threads. I enjoy it thoroughly.

[R2D2]

How big of a factor is the transmission (manual vs. automatic)? I also have a 2008 Scion XB and average about 28 to 29 mpg (70 highway/30 city) in my automatic, but the manual tranny guys average anywhere from 2 to 4 miles better. Is it the similar situation in the Yaris world too?

Yep-the auto is harder on FE. It's just not as efficient a means of transferringpower. The real killer in my case (especially in the winter) is the fact fourth gear is locked out until the engine gets warmed up which when extremely cold can take miles. Since most of my trips tend to be 10 miles or so, it makes quite an impact. An engine block heater helps some in this regard.

Still love the auto though!

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[firemachine69]

I actually managed to crack 41mpg with my automatic. Ran about 60mph for 98% of a trip to Ottawa, with only very minor (under five minutes) stops, once for gas, another for food, then parked once overnight and returned home the next day.

This was in the full-tilt heat of the summer (a scorching 30 degrees celcius at a minimum all day long). I ran with my front windows down, and the rears cracked open a bit. To note: I carry lots of "extra" junk in my car, blow-out first aid kit, rescue and recovery tools, survival equipment, work briefcase and suitcase, car-washing stuff, etc. Basically, I'm always towing around an extra couple hundred pounds of gear.

My A/C generally only gets used when I have passengers in the vehicle. I also don't do any serious hypermiling, minus shutting down the engine at a train-crossing in use, DFCO'ing downhill, running my tires at 42PSI in the front, 40PSI in the rear, and maintaining a steady speed below 65mph (and obeying posted limits in-town).

I seem to average 36mpg with modest driving nowadays, and an average of 38mpg when I take it on a trip with 95%+ highway rolling.

Those MPG's, of course, began after I thought I had heard the engine shear itself to death... :wink:




And yep, ain't ever giving up my slushbox. The manual box is hoots of fun, until you get caught in a traffic-jam. :wink:

[shinlee]

i do mostly city driving now, and I get 36 in the city, with ac, in a 5speed, and I drive as firemachine69 put it, like an ass hat some days....

when it was listed at 36/40 backin 07, i would only go slightly over that mark some times, but at 29/36... that's ridiculous

[daf62757]

"but when I went to the Toyota site, it's listed only at 29/36."
A quote from another forum when i suggested the Yaris for the op's search for an economical car thats not a hybrid:iono:
I'm sure every one here knows the Yaris is easily capable of +40mpg with easy driving style, how come Toyota hasnt figured it out?.
In fact its almost as if Toyota doesnt like the Yaris as i see no advertising for the Yaris lineup:confused:

They do have some Yaris advertisements, but Yaris isn't a big moneymaker. They make more off the Corolla so you probably see more Corolla ads. I think the Yaris is more for a European and Asia market and they sell it here because its a model that has some limited appeal. Most families won't consider it, just people like us, who for some strange reason, love it.

The Yaris, with some very simple changes, i.e., smaller engine and diesel engine, could get 40+ MPG on the EPA tests.

[ddongbap]

Exactly. I'm running Falken 502's @ 40 PSI all around without hypermiling, and right now I'm averaging 36/38 MPG. Anyone who's claiming MPG readings close to 30 is full of shit. Sorry

I get 33 mpg. =[

[KrazyDawg]

They do have some Yaris advertisements, but Yaris isn't a big moneymaker. They make more off the Corolla so you probably see more Corolla ads. I think the Yaris is more for a European and Asia market and they sell it here because its a model that has some limited appeal. Most families won't consider it, just people like us, who for some strange reason, love it.

The Yaris, with some very simple changes, i.e., smaller engine and diesel engine, could get 40+ MPG on the EPA tests.
I got the Yaris hatchback not only for the gas mileage but for the smaller size to park in major cities like San Francisco. There are still only some parking spots that are small enough for a Smart Car when parking in residential areas.

[michaelhay]

I routinly get 38 to 41 with my sedan with an automatic and a/c on the interstate running 75 or so. The yaris is capable of excellent mileage with a little care.

MagMag, Cool, I'd like to get the same!
I get about 35MPg with 70% Freeway going 70mph / 30% City with no AC.
What do you mean by "a little care"... I thought I was careful but I may need a little more care :smile:

Thanks

[janders]

recently took a 2800 mile trip in my new 2010 sedan auto...first half of trip keeping tires at 45 lb i averaged 44.2 mpg keeping speed at ave 65mph....coming home i dropped tires to 32 lb and did a lot of 70 mph and averaged 42 mpg...highest tank was 46.7...lowest with some city was 38.2....the highest numbers were when i didn,t use the cruise and went easy on throttle....used a/c al the time and vehicle had 2000 miles on when i started...imo i don,t think its worth the harsh ride or the mpg to keep tires so hard!

[why?]

MagMag, Cool, I'd like to get the same!
I get about 35MPg with 70% Freeway going 70mph / 30% City with no AC.
What do you mean by "a little care"... I thought I was careful but I may need a little more care :smile:

Thanks

Old thread, but to answer your q, first slow down. No reason to go faster than the speed limit. Also Check around the fuel economy forums, when you lift your foot off the pedal and the car has more than around 1500 rpms, the computer cuts the fuel flow to the engine, which also helps. Also look ahead, coast to stop signs, red lights, etc. Anticipate everything. Pretend there is a grenade below both the gas pedal and brakes. You have to use both as sparingly as possible.

I was able to achieve 44 mpg on my second tank from the dealer, without changing anything from delivery. I drove mostly shorter trips with some highway, lots of hills. It was not flat at all.

Driving for gas mileage just means you need to change your thinking. The fuel economy forum has a bunch of great ideas. And a scanguage can help a ton too.

[BailOut]

recently took a 2800 mile trip in my new 2010 sedan auto...first half of trip keeping tires at 45 lb i averaged 44.2 mpg keeping speed at ave 65mph....coming home i dropped tires to 32 lb and did a lot of 70 mph and averaged 42 mpg...highest tank was 46.7...lowest with some city was 38.2....the highest numbers were when i didn,t use the cruise and went easy on throttle....used a/c al the time and vehicle had 2000 miles on when i started...imo i don,t think its worth the harsh ride or the mpg to keep tires so hard!
44.2 vs. 42 represents a 5% difference. That's huge when projected over your annual fuel costs. If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?

[tk-421]

44.2 vs. 42 represents a 5% difference. That's huge when projected over your annual fuel costs. If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?
Sure, but only if were true. :respekt:

[cali yaris]

If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?

no, and no. I shop at a more expensive grocery store because it's convenient. My restaurant experience includes the ambience, so I don't usually sit near the kitchen or where waiters are constantly whisking by.

It's a weak analogy you present, but I'm sure many people would answer yes and yes.

[Kal-El]

44.2 vs. 42 represents a 5% difference. That's huge when projected over your annual fuel costs. If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?

Would you believe me that I sit in my car each day for lunch and idle my car for an hour with the AC cranking during the summer? I do.

That must piss you off, huh? :tongue:

For some comfort and convenience, I'm willing to pay for it. And really, how much does it cost to idle the Yaris for an hour? 50-75 cents maybe?

[HTM Yaris]

I'm with Garm on the restaurant thingy . You get what you pay for and you only get one life .

I avg 27 mpg on track days . With speeds ranging from 5 mph to 110 mph . But I will say there is a 100 lb difference in my "track" weight versus my "street" weight .

I usually avg 40 mpg in street form . My high being 49 mpg and my low being 36 mpg (first tank) . Yes I coast , draft , and don't brake for turns . My tire pressures are 32 psi for street , 34 psi for The Dragon , and 36 psi for the track .

[why?]

To me 5% sounds like nothing, and I would probably use that much fuel annoying some eco freak with a burnout or two just because I could.

If you do use enough fuel though, it could add up. However, at 15,000 miles per year at 40 mpg is 375 gallons. At 42 it is 357. that is 18 gallons. At $3 a gallon for gas that is $54 a year. Not a big deal to even me.

Now if the difference was 35 mpg to 45 mpg, @ 45 mpg it is 333 gallons, while 35 it is 429. That is a $288 difference, and could be worth it, even to me.

[KrazyDawg]

44.2 vs. 42 represents a 5% difference. That's huge when projected over your annual fuel costs. If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?

I created the following in an excel spreadsheet. If gas were $3/gal with x number of miles at x MPG.

MPG Annual
15,000
35 $1,285.71
36 $1,250.00
37 $1,216.22
38 $1,184.21
39 $1,153.85
40 $1,125.00
41 $1,097.56
42 $1,071.43
43 $1,046.51
44 $1,022.73
45 $1,000.00
46 $978.26
47 $957.45
48 $937.50
49 $918.37
50 $900.00
20,000
35 $1,714.29
36 $1,666.67
37 $1,621.62
38 $1,578.95
39 $1,538.46
40 $1,500.00
41 $1,463.41
42 $1,428.57
43 $1,395.35
44 $1,363.64
45 $1,333.33
46 $1,304.35
47 $1,276.60
48 $1,250.00
49 $1,224.49
50 $1,200.00
25,000
35 $2,142.86
36 $2,083.33
37 $2,027.03
38 $1,973.68
39 $1,923.08
40 $1,875.00
41 $1,829.27
42 $1,785.71
43 $1,744.19
44 $1,704.55
45 $1,666.67
46 $1,630.43
47 $1,595.74
48 $1,562.50
49 $1,530.61
50 $1,500.00
30,000
35 $2,571.43
36 $2,500.00
37 $2,432.43
38 $2,368.42
39 $2,307.69
40 $2,250.00
41 $2,195.12
42 $2,142.86
43 $2,093.02
44 $2,045.45
45 $2,000.00
46 $1,956.52
47 $1,914.89
48 $1,875.00
49 $1,836.73
50 $1,800.00

[fnkngrv]

recently took a 2800 mile trip in my new 2010 sedan auto...first half of trip keeping tires at 45 lb i averaged 44.2 mpg keeping speed at ave 65mph....coming home i dropped tires to 32 lb and did a lot of 70 mph and averaged 42 mpg...highest tank was 46.7...lowest with some city was 38.2....the highest numbers were when i didn,t use the cruise and went easy on throttle....used a/c al the time and vehicle had 2000 miles on when i started...imo i don,t think its worth the harsh ride or the mpg to keep tires so hard!



That right there is similar with what HTM and Cali are saying...everyone makes a choice, you have to balance comfort/convenience with your end goal. I can drive this car hard and still get over 32mpg all day long with a stock engine. To me that is priceless. My best friend which I consider the brother I never had drives a 99 pontiac grand am 3800 HO which is stock for him. If he drives that hard he gets 15mpg if he is lucky! Sure they are two different cars completely, but the mentality is the same...he could care less about 15mpg if he enjoys the car and has comfort/convenience which he feels he does. Different strokes for different folks.


As for the comments about sitting at lunch with the A/C going....yup, I did something like that saturday night. I was at the local bar and it was hotter than hade's nipples in there. I sat in my car more than once for 15-20 min to cool down...once again...comfort/convenience. Now where I draw the line is SUVs. Until they can come up with a way to get them to 30mpg or the equivalent without costing the buyer 50-100k as far as I am concerned they are extremely wasteful and need to be crushed at the junk yard. A soccer mom with 2 kiddies can get the same comfort/convenience and safety in other more efficient vehicles, but nope, 9 times out of 10 is it that status crap that plaques our society. But, I digress...different strokes for different folks...

[why?]

I created the following in an excel spreadsheet. If gas were $3/gal with x number of miles at x MPG.

MPG Annual
15,000
35 $1,285.71
36 $1,250.00
37 $1,216.22
38 $1,184.21
39 $1,153.85
40 $1,125.00
20,000
35 $1,714.29
36 $1,666.67
37 $1,621.62
38 $1,578.95
39 $1,538.46
40 $1,500.00
25,000
35 $2,142.86
36 $2,083.33
37 $2,027.03
38 $1,973.68
39 $1,923.08
40 $1,875.00
30,000
35 $2,571.43
36 $2,500.00
37 $2,432.43
38 $2,368.42
39 $2,307.69
40 $2,250.00


Okay, you win for going the whole way, but could you up it to say 45 mpg, instead of leaving it at just 40?

That right there is similar with what HTM and Cali are saying...everyone makes a choice, you have to balance comfort/convenience with your end goal. I can drive this car hard and still get over 32mpg all day long with a stock engine. To me that is priceless. My best friend which I consider the brother I never had drives a 99 pontiac grand am 3800 HO which is stock for him. If he drives that hard he gets 15mpg if he is lucky! Sure they are two different cars completely, but the mentality is the same...he could care less about 15mpg if he enjoys the car and has comfort/convenience which he feels he does. Different strokes for different folks.


As for the comments about sitting at lunch with the A/C going....yup, I did something like that saturday night. I was at the local bar and it was hotter than hade's nipples in there. I sat in my car more than once for 15-20 min to cool down...once again...comfort/convenience. Now where I draw the line is SUVs. Until they can come up with a way to get them to 30mpg or the equivalent without costing the buyer 50-100k as far as I am concerned they are extremely wasteful and need to be crushed at the junk yard. A soccer mom with 2 kiddies can get the same comfort/convenience and safety in other more efficient vehicles, but nope, 9 times out of 10 is it that status crap that plaques our society. But, I digress...different strokes for different folks...

SUV's most definitely have their uses. You might be able to take 2 kids to soccer practice in a Yaris, but could you take them, 2 of their friends, a dozen soccer balls, oh and tow the boat or jetski's on the weekends, or maybe you and your wife take a family friend or two with their spouses to dinner, or maybe help your child move into college 1500 miles away, etc.

[fnkngrv]

SUV's most definitely have their uses. You might be able to take 2 kids to soccer practice in a Yaris, but could you take them, 2 of their friends, a dozen soccer balls, oh and tow the boat or jetski's on the weekends, or maybe you and your wife take a family friend or two with their spouses to dinner, or maybe help your child move into college 1500 miles away, etc.

You can do the same with a van or minivan that gets better mileage and and safer for the environment...that is what I am getting at...these days status says that you should not have a minivan...stupid. As for all the stuff you mentioned, sure you can do all that with an SUV and if you were to do that it would be a great justification, but I cannot count on both hands how many people I know personally that just do the following with their SUV:

1) Drive back and forth in town for work which even during the winter here NEVER would require an SUV...no car pooling
2) Drop kids off at school with only their book bag and perhaps a small duffel for sporting stuff...just their kids...no kid pooling
3) Drive to get groceries
4) Drive to the local small race track

getting the picture? SUVs are like anything else...they have their place and I agree with that however for the knuckleheads that do only things similar to what I listed above...shakes head, that's all I will say. I could list 6 families right now off the top of my head that the parents and the kids say that having an SUV is a must just to keep up with fashionable times and status...very sad really.

[janders]

any savings is good savings and yes it could add up...i was mostly experimenting and i really think the biggest savings on super slab driving comes from your speed and not so much how much higher than normal you keep the air pressure....i really never expected to get 40+ mpg so i,m a happy camper but with all the rough roads in western ny i don,t plan to be running my tires with 40+lbs anymore!

[eddy]

:wink::redface:with our 2010 4dr auto a/c on part of the way.we were able to get 50mpg on our last two roadtrips (HWY)and in the city 34-36 mpg. love it

[firemachine69]

Firstly, the above-drawn chart is backwards. It's going to cost you LESS, if you get better mileage - that's just common sense!


And yes, if you are on a single-lane highway, with no way for people to safely pass you, you ARE a problem. Get the fuck off the road, or flow with traffic. That doesn't mean do 10-20mph over - Most everywhere I've driven, 6mph (about 10kph) is the accepted flow of traffic. Otherwise, someday, someone will place you in a dangerous position after they cut you off, and you'll have nowhere to go except the oncoming traffic, or the ditch. Then you'll feel like a HUGE idiot when the three bucks you saved on gas, is now costing you thousands in body repairs and insurance deductibles. Also, if you think telling the cop at the scene of the accident - assuming you live - that he cut you off, unless you've got video proof, your word means sweet fuck-all. It's called a "vested interest", and is absolutely meaningless in court. OR - someone hanging off your ass has now plowed you into a concrete pillar at 70mph. Congratulations! You were in your right to drive at the speed limit - dead right!


Where there is place for someone to pass me, I allow them the opportunity, and flow at the speed limit. Otherwise, I do 10kph over, and the traffic flows nicely (and rarely does anyone hang off my ass).

44.2 vs. 42 represents a 5% difference. That's huge when projected over your annual fuel costs. If someone told you that you could save 5% on your annual grocery costs just by holding onto the cart tighter, wouldn't you do it? If someone told you that you could save 5% at every restaurant you went to if you only sat at a table closer to the kitchen, wouldn't you do it?



To me, the fuel costs over a year is about $50. Time is also worth something to alot of people, don't discount that. If I were truly concerned about saving cash, I'd skip the once-or-twice-monthly outings to the bars, which usually end up costing me $60-100. :laugh:


I'll add, I usually do drive fairly easy, but that's mostly got to do with not wanting to break shit prematurely on my Yaris, the car falls apart on its own. :tongue::rolleyes:

[michaelhay]

Old thread, but to answer your q, first slow down. No reason to go faster than the speed limit. Also Check around the fuel economy forums, when you lift your foot off the pedal and the car has more than around 1500 rpms, the computer cuts the fuel flow to the engine, which also helps. Also look ahead, coast to stop signs, red lights, etc. Anticipate everything. Pretend there is a grenade below both the gas pedal and brakes. You have to use both as sparingly as possible.

I was able to achieve 44 mpg on my second tank from the dealer, without changing anything from delivery. I drove mostly shorter trips with some highway, lots of hills. It was not flat at all.

Driving for gas mileage just means you need to change your thinking. The fuel economy forum has a bunch of great ideas. And a scanguage can help a ton too.

GREAT. THANKS Why?
Yeah I think I am already doing most of this but I will be even more careful.

[firemachine69]

Best thing you can ever do for your gas mileage, is to take it easy. Don't speed excessively, stomp on the gas pedal, or mash the brake pedal (without reason). Nice and smooth is the way to go (and get traffic flowing well).

[why?]

You can do the same with a van or minivan that gets better mileage and and safer for the environment...that is what I am getting at...these days status says that you should not have a minivan...stupid. As for all the stuff you mentioned, sure you can do all that with an SUV and if you were to do that it would be a great justification, but I cannot count on both hands how many people I know personally that just do the following with their SUV:

1) Drive back and forth in town for work which even during the winter here NEVER would require an SUV...no car pooling
2) Drop kids off at school with only their book bag and perhaps a small duffel for sporting stuff...just their kids...no kid pooling
3) Drive to get groceries
4) Drive to the local small race track

getting the picture? SUVs are like anything else...they have their place and I agree with that however for the knuckleheads that do only things similar to what I listed above...shakes head, that's all I will say. I could list 6 families right now off the top of my head that the parents and the kids say that having an SUV is a must just to keep up with fashionable times and status...very sad really.

People who do anything at all for status are just complete fools and should be ignored. And minivans are too small imo, conversion vans are awesome.

Firstly, the above-drawn chart is backwards. It's going to cost you LESS, if you get better mileage - that's just common sense!
And yes, if you are on a single-lane highway, with no way for people to safely pass you, you ARE a problem. Get the fuck off the road, or flow with traffic. That doesn't mean do 10-20mph over - Most everywhere I've driven, 6mph (about 10kph) is the accepted flow of traffic. Otherwise, someday, someone will place you in a dangerous position after they cut you off, and you'll have nowhere to go except the oncoming traffic, or the ditch. Then you'll feel like a HUGE idiot when the three bucks you saved on gas, is now costing you thousands in body repairs and insurance deductibles. Also, if you think telling the cop at the scene of the accident - assuming you live - that he cut you off, unless you've got video proof, your word means sweet fuck-all. It's called a "vested interest", and is absolutely meaningless in court. OR - someone hanging off your ass has now plowed you into a concrete pillar at 70mph. Congratulations! You were in your right to drive at the speed limit - dead right!
Where there is place for someone to pass me, I allow them the opportunity, and flow at the speed limit. Otherwise, I do 10kph over, and the traffic flows nicely (and rarely does anyone hang off my ass).
To me, the fuel costs over a year is about $50. Time is also worth something to alot of people, don't discount that. If I were truly concerned about saving cash, I'd skip the once-or-twice-monthly outings to the bars, which usually end up costing me $60-100. :laugh:
I'll add, I usually do drive fairly easy, but that's mostly got to do with not wanting to break shit prematurely on my Yaris, the car falls apart on its own. :tongue::rolleyes:

First, the chart is completely 100% correct in every way possible. If you actually took the time to exam it, instead of ignoring and assuming, you would realize that.

If you are going the posted speed limit, you are never the problem. Sorry, but just because everyone decides they can ignore a law doesn't mean the law is not valid. I don't let people bully me in person, and I certainly wouldn't on the road. Brake checking people is fun, especially morons on motorcycles.:evil:

And btw, it is a speed limit, not a speed suggestion, meaning you are able to go slower if you choose, and that is a-ok.

And that bs about a dangerous situation is just that, bs. Sorry but if someone else does something stupid around me it is not my fault. It is theirs, and I hope it gets them killed so they don't go and injure someone else with their stupidity.

If you are a safe driver, then no one will be able to cut you off to the extent where you are forced off the road. That is idiocy at the highest level to think that.

And if someone chooses to tailgate you, slowing down and brake checking cures that really really fast.

And now with most police arresting people for agressive driving, people will think twice about doing something stupid.

So sorry, you couldn't be more wrong in what you said.

[PhotoDu.de]

Otherwise, someday, someone will place you in a dangerous position after they cut you off, and you'll have nowhere to go except the oncoming traffic, or the ditch.

You can go the speed limit, or even a little slower, without cutting people off.

And if someone chooses to tailgate you, slowing down and brake checking cures that really really fast.

I have to agree with you on the slowing down, but please don't brake check people. It might cause an accident.

[mryaris]

I have to agree with you on the slowing down, but please don't brake check people. It might cause an accident.

I agree. You cannot call yourself a safe & responsible driver if you 'brake check' people. In a way, it makes you a worse driver than the person tailgating you because you are intentionally trying to cause harm to them.

[KrazyDawg]

Okay, you win for going the whole way, but could you up it to say 45 mpg, instead of leaving it at just 40?

Updated to 50 MPG and attached the spreadsheet. Only the price needs to be changed to adjust the values.

[why?]

I agree. You cannot call yourself a safe & responsible driver if you 'brake check' people. In a way, it makes you a worse driver than the person tailgating you because you are intentionally trying to cause harm to them.

Not true. I wouldn't stop, that would be idiotic, I don't want to deal with an accident, but you can do it well enough to scare the crap out of the person behind you without slowing down to much.

Updated to 50 MPG and attached the spreadsheet. Only the price needs to be changed to adjust the values.

You are awesome.

[mryaris]

Not true. I wouldn't stop, that would be idiotic, I don't want to deal with an accident, but you can do it well enough to scare the crap out of the person behind you without slowing down to much.



You still risk causing the guy behind you to swerve into someone else because they think you are stopping or maybe the guy gets pissed and rams you or engages in some other physical contact. I've seen people at toll booths get out and start swinging over something stupid like being cut-off or whatnot. Just not worth doing....it really is irresponsible and reckless. Just take the high road and ignore the fools.

[why?]

You still risk causing the guy behind you to swerve into someone else because they think you are stopping or maybe the guy gets pissed and rams you or engages in some other physical contact. I've seen people at toll booths get out and start swinging over something stupid like being cut-off or whatnot. Just not worth doing....it really is irresponsible and reckless. Just take the high road and ignore the fools.

I cant control what other people do. I'd love someone to try and take me on, it is usually pretty funny stuff with them running away rather fast.

But people get the point really fast. It is irresponsible to tailgate, it is my job to defend myself from idiots.

[fnkngrv]

it is my job to defend myself from idiots.


The only way to truly do that is to not leave your house

[Slitwrist Smile]

I cant control what other people do. I'd love someone to try and take me on, it is usually pretty funny stuff with them running away rather fast.

But people get the point really fast. It is irresponsible to tailgate, it is my job to defend myself from idiots.

Hey chuck norris, when are you going to do some new movies?

[PhotoDu.de]

The only way to truly do that is to not leave your house

Make sure you don't turn on your TV or get into a "debate" about climate change with people on this forum.

[Snowy]

I wish it wasn't so, although I was not unhappy with my gas mileage until reading this thread. I've had the car a tad over 2 years and get just about exactly what the Yaris is rated for in gas mileage: consistently 28 to 30 around town and 32 to 35 on the highway. In fact I just got back from the gas station and my road trip yesterday took me 335 miles at just a little over 35 MPG on wide open freeways with no traffic.

ONE time I got 42 MPG on on leg of a road trip and have not yet been able to repeat that or even get close.

I'm certainly not disputing all of the people getting consistently higher mileage, I just wonder why I'm not one of them. I don't have cruise control and haven't checked to see if my tire pressure is on the high side of the range but I'll certainly try that starting tomorrow.

[PhotoDu.de]

I wish it wasn't so, although I was not unhappy with my gas mileage until reading this thread. I've had the car a tad over 2 years and get just about exactly what the Yaris is rated for in gas mileage: consistently 28 to 30 around town and 32 to 35 on the highway. In fact I just got back from the gas station and my road trip yesterday took me 335 miles at just a little over 35 MPG on wide open freeways with no traffic.

ONE time I got 42 MPG on on leg of a road trip and have not yet been able to repeat that or even get close.

I'm certainly not disputing all of the people getting consistently higher mileage, I just wonder why I'm not one of them. I don't have cruise control and haven't checked to see if my tire pressure is on the high side of the range but I'll certainly try that starting tomorrow.

A lot of it has to do with driving style.

Recently I went on a transcontinental road trip. When I was driving I got 5+ more mpg than my fiancee/friends. I think at one point I got 37mpg; the car is rated for 25 highway (2003 Mitsubishi Galant).

[landrym28]

I don't know if this was mentioned, but the reason why Toyota doesn't want to say that you can do better than 29/36 is because they'd rather you buy a Prius over a Yaris, since the Yaris is a lower end, less profitable car. That's just my reasoning anyway..

[why?]

I don't know if this was mentioned, but the reason why Toyota doesn't want to say that you can do better than 29/36 is because they'd rather you buy a Prius over a Yaris, since the Yaris is a lower end, less profitable car. That's just my reasoning anyway..

and it is false reasoning. Toyota can not advertise anything other than the government ratings.here is the government's page. (http://www.fueleconomy.gov/)

[Svspud]

Why is right, as you can see on the page, very plain and simple that is a regulated standard.

There are plenty of ways to increase milage and also decrease mileage. I drive a 2009 Hatch with a 5 spd and get 36 mpg city and 39 hwy driving normal. Driving like a jerk that goes to about 34-38 and driving using a light foot and a brain goes to 37-42. On the other hand my GF drives a 2010 Hatch with an auto and get a consistan 34 city 37 hwy. A lot of it depends on where you drive and how you drive. I know there are hypermiling techniques that can make everyone driving around you turn :evil: but thats no my style. On the other hand to thos of you getting 29-33 I am just curious where abouts you live? sea level? mountains? and no I am not starting or ending wars here just hopefully contributing to the posts!

[Callisto]

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

Flatly untrue. I run my tires at 35 PSI and drive like a sane person, usually accelerating slowly, but more quickly as the situation dictates. If I get less than 44MPG it is a bad tank. Sounds to me like you are trying to justify your own unsafe driving by projecting it out on others.

[elo179]

uhhhhh. The epa figured out the 29/36. Not toyota. And the yaris can't safely get 40 mpg in most situations. It involves over inflated tires and other dangerous driving habits.

I avg 38-41, and I dont do anthing special just drive. As a matter of fact I dont even do the proper maint i should. I dont rotate tires, 60k later and they are fine. I did an Air filter once about 30k miles ago. And I still avg about 38 to 40.

the worst millage I did was 120mile trip going 90+ i got like 29mpg, but that was only 1 time usally just drive 70-75