TRD supercharger from Scion?

[RallyYaris]

Anybody know if the new supercharger from TRD for the Scion tC will fit the North American Yaris engine (1.5 L)?

[jdgriswald]

Not if it's for the Tc, it's a 2.4L (2AZ-FE). Yaris is a 1.5L (1NZ-FE).

[riceboy]

You might be able to fit the TTE blower into the Yaris... check it out under the 1st gen under compressor kit....

http://www.tte.de/cm_yaris_P1_Facelift.htm

[C2AUTOSPL]

Doesnt Blitz make one for the Yaris already?

[riceboy]

Yup Blitz has already got a unit for the Yaris which is pretty much a direct bolt on, I think everyone wants TRD to release one because then you could have some sort of warranty attached to it. If you're more adventurous the previous gen echo hb blitz compressor can also be retro-fit for use in the Yaris. Greddy has also just released a supercharger for the xB which could probably be retro-fit for the Yaris. Though retro-fitting anything is a lot of work...

[evolutionist03]

Does anyone knows the price of the Blitz supercharger? And what is power boost?

[Idjiit]

Does anyone knows the price of the Blitz supercharger? And what is power boost?

$3,500 and 30% over stock at the highest setting.

[evolutionist03]

Ohh! 30% over? Wow, sounds pretty good! Now, teh price of $3,500 is installed, or just teh MSRP of the Supercharger only? Thanks BTW! I appreciate the info!

[Idjiit]

MSRP for the kit, not installed.

[evolutionist03]

I see. Thanks for the info! Is there a web site that I can get all the specifications of this supercharger? I am in the mood of getting one! LOL.

[riceboy]

http://www.blitz-performance.com/ You'll be looking for the Scion xA/xB compressor kit.

[YarisHatch]

Nope, its for the 2az 2.4l. Also incase you were wondering, the trd japan kit for the bB/Ist won't work either due to the different lay out, different engine code, sensors, and ecu.

Kits such as blitz/greddy/power enterprise made for the Xb might fit providing that it can clear the hood, and piping clear without rubbing against anything. A company called ZPI is putting out a turbo kit for the xb/xa that will produce an estimate of 180whp, you might want to look into them if you want to make power. zeropointindustries.net, go there and email Kenny. Hes a good guy, if their kit doesn't work with the Yaris they might be able to modify the kit for it to work. I'm not sure if the sensor placement is different though, i know it's different from 05' to 06' 1nz's for the Scion line. The Ecu is also mapped differently.

[echo_hrs]

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[Thirty-Nine]

^^^
Cool! I really want to ride in or drive a supercharged 1NZ-FE. I'd like to know what kind of power they really produce.

[YarisHatch]

^^^
Cool! I really want to ride in or drive a supercharged 1NZ-FE. I'd like to know what kind of power they really produce.

I'll tell you what the xb/xa/echo community has seen, actual real time numbers, not based on manufacture numbers..Also, the range in whp numbers range between if you have more mods than just the supercharger, dyno conditions, SAE corrected, so on. Lowest number is stock everything else with a supercharger, highest number represents modded..i picked average base line dyno's with the s/c's, and highest whp for modded i've seen.
Blitz - 115whp-125whp
Power Enterprise - 118whp-146whp
Greddy - 120whp - 141whp
Zpi turbo kit - estimated 180whp, their goal with the car is 200whp+
Greddy Turbo - 120whp
Custom/pieced together kit - 130whp+

Hope this helps. One thing that would make a huge difference with the yaris, is if you replace the stock gearing with the xb/xa 1nz gears. Much closer ratio, or you can go custom.

[silverRS]

hmm sounds really tempting but that alot of cash for such a small supercharger, aren't turbo's allot cheaper?? Cant I buy a TRD turbo or will that not fit either??? damn you Japan

[YarisHatch]

hmm sounds really tempting but that alot of cash for such a small supercharger, aren't turbo's allot cheaper?? Cant I buy a TRD turbo or will that not fit either??? damn you Japan

As i stated before, the trd turbo will not work with the usdm 1nz motors. The japan 1.5l's they use are a different engine code, different sensors, totally different ecu and their gas is much different. Why does this matter? The trd turbo puts out 136whp on the 1.5l bB, however that is with 101octane. Sounds so high here in the states but yeah, makes a huge difference. Point? Even if you could manage to run with it (impossible with the motor and usdm ecu) you wouldn't see gains above 30whp, i.e 110whp.

As a general rule, turbos are about the same if not more expensive than a supercharger. Also maintanence is much higher on a turbo than a supercharger. Very rare do you not have to tune a kit even if it does come "pre tuned" with a piggy back system. Even so, after a while tune ups are a must. Worth it? Turbos almost always make more power per psi than a supercharger. Design is everything when it comes to boost.

Here are some prices too for the boost applications i mentioned, keep in mind i still don't know if these will actually fit and work in the yaris bay. Even if it did, i believe the 1nz in the yaris shares the same ecu as the 2006. 95% of all kits out there right now are for 2005 or older. Ecu maps are different as well as a few o2 censors.

Blitz - $3,000
Power Enterprise - $3,200
Greddy s/c - $2,600
Greddy t/c - $2,800
ZPI turbo - $3,600
Custom - $2,200+

I just rounded to a middle average, some sell these kits for cheaper, some sell for more. ZPI you can only buy at zpi and one or two other websites, usually kenny will hook you up in deals.

Heres tack on prices that would be a must that most forget about: Upgrading injectors, performance belts, good fuel management, upgraded pistons, full synthetic tranny oil, full synthetic motor oil, stage 2+ clutch (manuals), shift kit (auto), atf cooler (auto). To get the most out of any boost application with our motor i'd also recommend motor mods, especially 2.5'' exhaust for boost. (2.25'' exhaust for n/a...not talking about tip, talking about piping)

All in all, you are looking at atleast $5,000+ after all the parts you need to have to ensure a long lasting motor under the extra power and stress, and tuning..some things i mentioned you don't have to have, some are usually included in the kits but not all.

[tca4]

http://www.k4.dion.ne.jp/~vitz/Compressor.htm

[Calidrifter]

As i stated before, the trd turbo will not work with the usdm 1nz motors. The japan 1.5l's they use are a different engine code, different sensors, totally different ecu and their gas is much different. Why does this matter? The trd turbo puts out 136whp on the 1.5l bB, however that is with 101octane. Sounds so high here in the states but yeah, makes a huge difference. Point? Even if you could manage to run with it (impossible with the motor and usdm ecu) you wouldn't see gains above 30whp, i.e 110whp.

As a general rule, turbos are about the same if not more expensive than a supercharger. Also maintanence is much higher on a turbo than a supercharger. Very rare do you not have to tune a kit even if it does come "pre tuned" with a piggy back system. Even so, after a while tune ups are a must. Worth it? Turbos almost always make more power per psi than a supercharger. Design is everything when it comes to boost.





Yeah but a supecharger is constant hp throught the band and you do't get turbo lag. Also with any turbo upgrade if you plan on running over 7 psi you WILL need to get new internals. And from whtaI have been hearing the 1NZ has pretty weak internals already, so don't be surprised to see some dumb kids in here with a ""I blew up my engine" thread in here.

[YarisHatch]

Yeah but a supecharger is constant hp throught the band and you do't get turbo lag. Also with any turbo upgrade if you plan on running over 7 psi you WILL need to get new internals. And from whtaI have been hearing the 1NZ has pretty weak internals already, so don't be surprised to see some dumb kids in here with a ""I blew up my engine" thread in here.

I know of two xb owners that have run 8-9psi daily for over two years with no problems, with some internals upgraded. Yeah, it isn't the greatest motor in the world but its not that bad if you build the motor right. Unfortunately, most don't.

And some turbos have more lag than others, no one turbo design is the same as another. Do some research and you'll find the one for you. :cool:

[Yaris Revenge]

I'd much rather have the supercharger anyway. I like to bolt off the line, and it'd be even cooler in such a dinky car. :biggrin:

Honestly, I never have a need to run more than 75mph, and I'm sure it'll do that just fine without a turbo. Not like I'm gonna' be racin' for pink slips or anything! :wink:

~YR

[YarisHatch]

zpi offically dyno'd their xb project at 181whp, un-tuned with a maf pipe. They will be tuning with e-manage and they should be in close to 200whp since the afr's are in the 10's still.

Just thought i'd update, so if any of the yaris owner's or future owners like me want to send zpi an email requesting a future yaris project, goto zeropointindustries.net and send kenny an email.

[why?]

200 whp. Man that would be tempting.

[YarisHatch]

Yeah, it is tempting. The only issue i have with their kit right now is the fact its still unreliable. Once they get it tuned and see how the afr is and everything, i might feel better. Relying on a learning ecu isn't exactly the best reliable way, but so far they have impressed me.

On the yaris, 200whp would be an incredable amount of power, power to weight would be right around 10.5-11 (without actually doing the ratio figures), which is enough to put the yaris in the high 12's with a proper driver and swapping the gears, with the stock gears you could easily do low 13's. You wouldn't need that much power for autocross and road course's, but yeah. Definitely something to consider.

[SophieSleeps]

Honestly, ever supercharged car I've ever worked on I have never liked.

I would never go with a supercharger.
Nowadays, they've been far surpassed by turbo technology.

A turbo'd car is tons more fun to drive and much much more versatile for power adjustment.

Hitting 140rwhp would be unreasonable for 3500.
You could run nitrous for 1k and do the same.

[pennystocks]

A newb comment but turbos sound better too =D

[SophieSleeps]

A newb comment but turbos sound better too =D

I hate supercharger whine...

whirrr whirrr whirrr...belt slippage and stuff.

[eight_heads]

i personally like both, but turbos are easier to fix and expand upon.... if you have a supercharger and want more boost, you have to buy another supercharger(the whole setup)... if you have a turbo and want more, you can either rebuild the turbo for more boost or buy a bigger turbo..but a new turbo(just the turbo) is alot cheaper than a new supercharger.... and being that most of us won't be running a whole lot of boost, you can get some of the smaller turbos that will spool very fast and barely have any turbo lag... superchargers however will always rob power

[SophieSleeps]

i personally like both, but turbos are easier to fix and expand upon.... if you have a supercharger and want more boost, you have to buy another supercharger(the whole setup)... if you have a turbo and want more, you can either rebuild the turbo for more boost or buy a bigger turbo..but a new turbo(just the turbo) is alot cheaper than a new supercharger.... and being that most of us won't be running a whole lot of boost, you can get some of the smaller turbos that will spool very fast and barely have any turbo lag... superchargers however will always rob power

Err not really.

If you have a supercharger and want more boost, you can change the supercharger's drive pulley to a smaller one. You just have to make sure you don't boost past what is recommended for the compressor unit. Pulley size determines boost.

For a turbo you simply control boost with a boost control. You can go up and down whenever you want. There is no need to rebuild a turbo.

I run my turbo anywhere from 6-15 psi...and I can change that when I'm in the car, whenever I want.

New turbo technology reduces turbo lag significantly.
My current turbo is dual ball bear, water and oil cooled. Spins so damn easily that after you shut the car off the turbine wheel will still be spinning.

[505zoom]

...Also maintanence is much higher on a turbo than a supercharger...

Care to elaborate on that one?... in my experience, that statement should be the other way around.

[SophieSleeps]

Care to elaborate on that one?... in my experience, that statement should be the other way around.
You tend to hear that from people who are not boosted.
Perpetuated myths.

I too have had more problems with superchargers than with turbo's.
In fact I know a guy who has blown 13 superchargers on his car...leaving at least 2 motors needing a rebuild or replacement.

I have rarely seen a blown turbo.

[echo_hrs]

All of this turbo vs supercharger nonsense really is irrelevant until someone ponies up the dough and courage to do up their 1NZ-FE...

I'm so sick of all of these threads with all the know-it-alls doing virtual speculation without any real-world testing specifically on a Yaris powertrain...

[SophieSleeps]

All of this turbo vs supercharger nonsense really is irrelevant until someone ponies up the dough and courage to do up their 1NZ-FE...

I'm so sick of all of these threads with all the know-it-alls doing virtual speculation without any real-world testing specifically on a Yaris powertrain...

You definately have a good point there. A real world comparison would be ideal.

Though I don't necessarily think I'm talking out my ass. I've done numerous builds with both superchargers and turbo's and I don't think the differences I've seen were because of motor or drivetrain.

[punch]

All of this turbo vs supercharger nonsense really is irrelevant until someone ponies up the dough and courage to do up their 1NZ-FE...

I'm so sick of all of these threads with all the know-it-alls doing virtual speculation without any real-world testing specifically on a Yaris powertrain...

umm there is an owner in toronto with the blitz supercharger on his red rs....

[echo_hrs]

umm there is an owner in toronto with the blitz supercharger on his red rs....

Copper Orange Mica, actually, but he's not here on the forum to express the details/benefits/difficulties of the unit...

Cheers

[SmellyTofu]

I've driven a Blitz S/C Echo (1st model) .. I couldn't wipe the smile off my face. :) Had a few issues but nothing major that hindered performance.

[ricko]

Come-on Smelly, what issues????? Be specific, if you have the experience ....
..... SHARE!!!!!

[punch]

umm if you goto the australian toyota site, trd makes a turbo charged vitz (older style model)

also check out the new sedan that trd is working on 3.5L supercharged v6

[Ron]

i had a supercharged mr2, that was basically maintenance free. just gas and go, oil change at recommended intervals. now THAT was a blast to drive, oem supercharger setup engineered to toyota precision.

[ricko]

Thanks Ron, that is the type of info that is useful to me. If Toyota releases a super-charger for the Yaris through TRD, we can expect a performance increase without the problems associated with SOME after-market accessories. Some people here have the skill and are equiped to do a little of their own R+D, NOT ME. :clap:

[YarisHatch]

If you want specifics, i can give it to you. All my posts on this particular thread is related to the xb/xa community, which shares identical motors, the two major differences are ecu mapping (closer to 06' xb's than older models) and gearing is spread out more in the yaris compared to the xb/xa due to its geared specifically for fuel economy, although the automatics are identical.

[SmellyTofu]

umm if you goto the australian toyota site, trd makes a turbo charged vitz (older style model)

also check out the new sedan that trd is working on 3.5L supercharged v6

I belive the turbo Echo was a TRD kit but that was a test car to gauge interest. It was never sold officially in Australia.

The TRD Aurion (the name of the S/C sedan) looks promising.. Can't wait to have a little drive in one.

Ricko, nothing major as I said.. just leaking manifolds.. easily fixable with a gasket change... other than that, laugh-a-mile as you drive past most cars. :)

[Tankota]

If Toyota releases a super-charger for the Yaris through TRD, we can expect a performance increase without the problems associated with SOME after-market accessories.

While they may be better than some, TRD still has problems.. The Tacoma TRD supercharger had and still does have some problems, they eventually released a 7th injector kit to try and fix it but it's still got issues. At least if it frys the piston heads during the warranty period you are covered since it's TRD (only if the dealer installed it). After the powertrain warranty is up you are SOL, and most of the damage from the Tacoma charger showed up later for people.

[YarisHatch]

trd makes pretty crappy s/cers, their newest addition for the 2az has huge oil leak issues coming from the shafts and other places, and i've heard of a few losing psi on stock belts.

[ricko]

Hmmmmmmmm. Seems there is no foolproof way to do this. I guess the easiest way to get 200hp is to buy an SI.

[eight_heads]

Err not really.

If you have a supercharger and want more boost, you can change the supercharger's drive pulley to a smaller one. You just have to make sure you don't boost past what is recommended for the compressor unit. Pulley size determines boost.

For a turbo you simply control boost with a boost control. You can go up and down whenever you want. There is no need to rebuild a turbo.

I run my turbo anywhere from 6-15 psi...and I can change that when I'm in the car, whenever I want.

New turbo technology reduces turbo lag significantly.
My current turbo is dual ball bear, water and oil cooled. Spins so damn easily that after you shut the car off the turbine wheel will still be spinning.
i quess i should have elaborated, i meant the overall boost setting, you can change your boost alot more with a boost controller on a turbo than changing pulleys on a s/c... i too have dealt with both alot of various cars from '03 Mustang Cobras to turbo'd SOHC civics... in other words, turbos(on average) have higher overall boost compared to a s/c

[YarisHatch]

Hmmmmmmmm. Seems there is no foolproof way to do this. I guess the easiest way to get 200hp is to buy an SI.

Wrong! :biggrin: While i do love honda's, its quite possible to do so and do it safely. The biggest issue is the prep build. You have to upgrade internals and parts of the transmission. Running full synthetic motor oil and trans oil is a must. If you take the time, and do a well investigated prep build you will save yourself from many headaches in the future. Knowing the motors weak and strong spots will also benefit you. But majority of people who have issues with boost are usually the ones with poor tuning, not taking care of their car, mis-shifting, and not preping the motor for boost.

[ricko]

:cool: Of course it IS possible, but to do it right is not EASY and it requires an owner that is prepared to take all the necessary steps to maintain the performance and longevity of the engine. Hence the comment, " .... the EASIEST way to get 200hp is to buy an SI." :cool:

[bulldogs2k]

The last gen SI are nice but if you have the time, and money, then go for a boosted yaris

[mikeukrainetz]

Found this site which has some aftermarket parts for the Yaris / Scions

This link doest jump right to the supercharger but follow the links on the left for the Yaris.

http://mcgeorgeparts.com/

[Chris07LB]

http://www.olaes.com/images/echoapril22.jpg
http://www.olaes.com/images/echoapril21.jpg


:drool: :drool: :drool:

[boxerboy]

There is one thing that may or maynot have been said, but why? The Yaris is to save on gas (money). Put the boost to it and you will not get 40mpg and you will also need premium fuel, which will be about $.20 a gal. more. Both of my other cars are boosted. I have a 02 S/C tacoma I have not had any trouble with it that has cost me any money. The biggest problem is low rpm full throddle in a high gear. Not enough fuel. Thats the only flaw that I have seen. I also have TRD headers and exhaust. I think the trans will need a rebuild sooner than a non S/C. More power is always good but at what cost?

[Hyde]

I'm trying to get my hand on the NCP91 version of the Blitz S/C right now.

Tuning will be done with E-Management. With the intake, header, exhaust on + ecu tuning, i should be able to get 140-150WHP.

[TRD_Yaris]

Honestly, ever supercharged car I've ever worked on I have never liked.

I would never go with a supercharger.
Nowadays, they've been far surpassed by turbo technology.

A turbo'd car is tons more fun to drive and much much more versatile for power adjustment.

Hitting 140rwhp would be unreasonable for 3500.
You could run nitrous for 1k and do the same.

:thumbsup:
Yup. Superchargers run off the engine, sapping power and have to USE a LOT OF STEPPER gears to get NEAR 50,000 rpm..
TURBOS run off UNUSED EXHAUST GAS, which is UP TO 70% of the energy of the Air/Fuel Explosion...and can easily spool to 80,000+...

superchargers are kinda nice on s2000s since they rev to 9K...but not on yaris.
3500 and only 40 whp gain? NOS would be much more efficient. Though, the new Blitz Vitz superchager can be turned completely off..that's not bad for fuel efficiency, either.

[SophieSleeps]

:thumbsup:
Yup. Superchargers run off the engine, sapping power and have to USE a LOT OF STEPPER gears to get NEAR 50,000 rpm..
TURBOS run off UNUSED EXHAUST GAS, which is UP TO 70% of the energy of the Air/Fuel Explosion...and can easily spool to 80,000+...

superchargers are kinda nice on s2000s since they rev to 9K...but not on yaris.
3500 and only 40 whp gain? NOS would be much more efficient. Though, the new Blitz Vitz superchager can be turned completely off..that's not bad for fuel efficiency, either.

Yeah, but you don't supercharge a car for fuel efficiency.
40whp gain sucks. Not worth the money.

[fnkngrv]

40whp by 4000 = 100 per pony! yikes....the hell with that cost to performance ratio:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

[Ron]

but this is 40whp on a car that makes 100whp on a good day, that's a 40% increase...

on a small displacement motor like the 1nzfe, i'd rather sacrifice 10hp to drive the blower, and make 40hp of it back, and keep the low end response and driveability for a car that is gutless down low when stock. its hard to find a turbo small enough to be driven by such a small motor, minimal turbo lag, yet still give decent gains in the top end.

sure you can run nitrous and get similar results, but what you don't get is everyday access to that power, and legally, i do not believe you are even allowed to drive a car with the nitrous hooked up.

[fnkngrv]

You have a point Ron, but then again you might as well look into what it would take to perform a swap for that kind of cash....but you do make good points.