If you don't do this please drink some Drain-O

[PhotoDu.de]

http://i.imgur.com/Q9cOu.png

If you are driving in the left lane and the right lane is clear you are doing it worng.

IDK where you'd find a 3 lane road that was 55 but you get the point.

[sleey0]

First lesson while living in germany and using the autobahn:

GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE LEFT LANE!

Seriously.

If you were in the left lane doing 85 or less you will have an Audi 1" from your ass at high speeds with there left blinked on.

Scary stuff but they follow rules i've there unlike us.

[swidd]

lol, I never follow this "rule". Little about driving a Yaris can amuse me more than seeing the mad as hell drivers in the rear view, while I cruise along minding my own business in the left lane. Its not that I'm necessarily going that slow; most drivers just act as assholes when they see a small car in the left lane.

[ryota]

if you are crusing in the left lane without passing the traffic on your right, you are the asshole. Left lane is for passing not cruising, that's what the center one is for and brakedown/exit lane is the right one. :thumbdown:

To the OP, I thought that Canadian Ontario drivers were bad until two weeks ago when i crossed the NH MA state line, its like a all these people near Boston and its burbs inhaled the same drugs: 4 lane highway and everyone is bumper to bumper in the left lane going 60 while the rest of the lanes are clear and open :confused:, can someone please explain this to me is this like a new game who can sue someone faster for rear-ending each other?

i honestly didn't mind driving around the outskirts of Boston (the city itself was torture though). the place i found the craziest was PA. i was going 80-85 in a 65 and still being passed regularly. i was glad to get back on ny soil so i could drive like i normally do and not get run over haha. But to the OP, I wish more people followed the rules. we have some 3 lane 55mph roads here in rochester and there is always that 1 car that won't go over 58 in the left lane and i feel like a real dick passing people in the right lane.

[RedRide]

You really don't need a chart, etc to know how to drive.:wink:

For 50 years I have been following one rule (when applicable), keep right except to pass.
Of course, this only works if you keep off the &^%$ cell phone!

[slothman86]

Keep to the right except to pass, is completely logical! Keeps traffic flowing smoothly, don't forget to merge when it says merge, not racing up to be the first one and cutting everyone off....ARRRGGGHH!

[why?]

First lesson while living in germany and using the autobahn:

GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE LEFT LANE!

Seriously.

If you were in the left lane doing 85 or less you will have an Audi 1" from your ass at high speeds with there left blinked on.

Scary stuff but they follow rules i've there unlike us.

good stuff, but people are stupid.
if you are crusing in the left lane without passing the traffic on your right, you are the asshole. Left lane is for passing not cruising, that's what the center one is for and brakedown/exit lane is the right one. :thumbdown:

To the OP, I thought that Canadian Ontario drivers were bad until two weeks ago when i crossed the NH MA state line, its like a all these people near Boston and its burbs inhaled the same drugs: 4 lane highway and everyone is bumper to bumper in the left lane going 60 while the rest of the lanes are clear and open :confused:, can someone please explain this to me is this like a new game who can sue someone faster for rear-ending each other?

Driving in Boston is great training for driving anywhere else in the US, as in nothing will be crazier. Most of 128 is rush hour now from almost 7 am to 7pm, just crazy. Fun as anything though, and driving down in florida now is so easy.

Boston driving is almost combat driving, we're nuts and we love it, if you know fear, get a cab.

[why?]

Dont get me wrong I love Boston, and driving does not induce fear in me but when in a space of 1 mile I see people braking at least 10 driving rules it boils my blood. I mean how hard is it to follow the rules and drive properly like seriously do you need an IQ of 130+ :iono:

My favourite are work zones, they tell you for at least 2 miles that there will be construction and the lanes will merge , why is it that there are always idiots who will wait till the last minute and cut in through a solid lane not signalling and flipping you off when you stand your ground. I mean sometimes I wish we were able to execute the morons with a nice .50 salvo.:biggrin:

Well that is the thing though, there is only 1 driving rule near boston: survive. That is it, all other bets are off.

[47_MasoN_47]

I absolutely despise it when people put about in the left lane. I always keep an eye on my rear view if I'm passing people in the far left lane and if I see someone coming behind me faster than I'm going I scoot over and let them pass. It's just common courtesy and keeps traffic flowing. If you sit in the left lane going slow it basically clogs the whole flipping road up.

[JumpmanYaris]

lol, I never follow this "rule". Little about driving a Yaris can amuse me more than seeing the mad as hell drivers in the rear view, while I cruise along minding my own business in the left lane. Its not that I'm necessarily going that slow; most drivers just act as assholes when they see a small car in the left lane.

YOU DONT KNOW HOW BAD I HATE WHEN PPL DO THAT HERE. AND I AM THE A-HOLE IN UR REAR MIRROR PISSED OFF BECAUSE OF U, SO THAT MAKES YOU THE BIGGER A-HOLE

[PhotoDu.de]

lol, I never follow this "rule". Little about driving a Yaris can amuse me more than seeing the mad as hell drivers in the rear view, while I cruise along minding my own business in the left lane. Its not that I'm necessarily going that slow; most drivers just act as assholes when they see a small car in the left lane.

You drive like an asshole.

[47_MasoN_47]

This thread has more a-hole than a gang bang video.

[fmicle]

First lesson while living in germany and using the autobahn:

GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE LEFT LANE!

Seriously.

If you were in the left lane doing 85 or less you will have an Audi 1" from your ass at high speeds with there left blinked on.

Scary stuff but they follow rules i've there unlike us.

Yes, in Germany you HAVE TO move right. If you're driving in the left lane while the right lane is empty, you'll get a ticket. It's also illegal to pass on the right. If grandma is doing 60 mph in the fast lane and you pass her on the right, you'll both get a ticket. If Die Polizei sees you, that is :smile:

[toy_toronto]

In canada if you drove too slow you could be issued a ticket. You're technically not being charged for driving too slow, but likely for impeding traffic when you drive much slower than the normal speed limit.

Another thing also is when driving the speed limit in the left lane (*note: you're not doing anyone a favor if you do) it's unlikely you'd get a ticket, but could get charged for improper lane usage as the law states to "keep right, left to pass".

.

[ddongbap]

But hey, speed limit is speed limit.

Not to say I don't agree with you.

[sickpuppy1]

They finally got to making an actual law here in Kansas. The left lane is for passing and if caught in that lane you CAN be ticketed. Enforcement is still a bit iffy.

[slothman86]

Pretty much the speed limit is a joke and is enforced when it wants to be enforced. I don't care if everyone is going faster than the speed limit, they should all get tickets including me. ITS CALLED A LIMIT NOT A SUGGESTION. The limit to fill a gallon jug is 1 gallon THATS IT you can' go any higher! THATS WHY ITS THE LIMIT!

I hate when police officers go over the speed limit with out running code on the highway. WTF? They are not gods. It is just as dangerous as a civilian doing it!

Oh please use your turn signal, It lets people know when you are turning so they can get ready to stop or react to you. Especially on a city street!

Stay at a constant speed on the highway/freeway, If you are going to go 70 mph (speed limit) go 70, NOT 70 than 55 than 65 than 72 than 75 than 60.

This one will never happen... When at a stop light and the light turns green theoretically everyone can start going forward at the same time. I'm just saying it would be nice not waiting a few minutes behind a green light...In theory.

[swidd]

Exactly. I'm an asshole, because I do the speed limit in the left lane.

[yarrr]

LEFT LANE IS FOR PASSING THE PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT ARE CRUISING (GOING THE SPEED LIMIT) DO YOU NEED ANOTHER PICTURE TO ILLUSTRATE?

wow all caps, you're wrong. the speed limit is a SPEED LIMIT(or do you need more signs on the side of the road to illustrate)

A cop can give you a ticket for going 56 in a 55, so your whole chart is retarded.

[slothman86]

http://i.imgur.com/Q9cOu.png

If you are driving in the left lane and the right lane is clear you are doing it worng.

IDK where you'd find a 3 lane road that was 55 but you get the point.

+1

[yarrr]

wow you again , you just full of yourself aren't you You jsut know everything wow, Im impressed. No cop in their right mind will give you a ticket if you accelerate a bit to pass a slower car and go back to your lane.

yes, and every cop in the world is in their right mind, and if there ever was a cop having a bad day or struggling to meet quotas(which don't exist) the judge would just throw your case out because your such an amazing driver.

I'd like to know how many of all the people in this discussion actually have a background in law enforcement and know how to efficiently and effectively get their info. If you are only using google and wikipedia you are perpetuating your own cycle of ignorance , to quote some kid on the internet.

I also wonder why I see so many police officers driving the speed limit in the "passing lane"

edit: and yes I'm "so fulll of myself" that I have to type in all caps to prove how much better my point is than the previous poster is, and insult their intelligence at the same time... oh wait

[yarrr]

And can someone help me find some drain-o? I'm absolutely parched but I can only find drano :(

[bkndacn]

OP: can you come to Monterey and teach this to all of the drivers who do 40mph in all on the lanes on the freeway (65mph) and nearly give me an aneurism when me doing 80Mph has to practically stop, get out, and give them a push!

Slothman: my biggest pet-peeve is when people STOP at a yielding merge when there is a merging lane .... not only is it harder to merge into traffic from a dead stop but it dangerous for the people that are coming behind you that are doing the right thing and trying to merge ....

[yarrr]

AND the police officer will speed up if he/she sees that the flow of traffic on his right is the same speed as him, thats just common sense.

lol

A cop will break the speed limit, its just common sense.

/out

[slothman86]

My pet peeve is similar to your , people who ignore yield signs. But I agree with you sometimes there is no need to stop if it is safe to do so.

Yep there is no need to stop at a yield...that's why it says yield! LOL You only need to stop when you are yielding!

[PhotoDu.de]

wow all caps, you're wrong. the speed limit is a SPEED LIMIT(or do you need more signs on the side of the road to illustrate)

A cop can give you a ticket for going 56 in a 55, so your whole chart is retarded.

Just because you are going the speed limit doesn't mean you should block the passing lane. If people want to speed let them, it's not your problem. Let them pass so they don't have to repeatedly change lanes making the situation even more dangerous. Don't make it worse.

[kustom play]

left lane is for passing, middle lane is for regular highway driving right lane is for exiting

so if you have 4 exits till you get to your exit, then you should be in the middle lanes unless if your passing somebody.

1 exit before your move to the right lane and exit when yours comes up

not that hard people

[yarrr]

Just because you are going the speed limit doesn't mean you should block the passing lane. If people want to speed let them, it's not your problem. Let them pass so they don't have to repeatedly change lanes making the situation even more dangerous. Don't make it worse.

I agree with you for the most part, and I do get out of the way of speeders most of the time but here is the problem. If I'm driving 65 on the freeway in the fast lane, the maximum speed allowed, how am I blocking anyone from passing? I can't believe the general tone of this topic vilifying a person for getting in the way of someone breaking the law. This isn't the autobahn, you don't have a right to drive 80, and there is no law that requires anybody to get out of your way if you choose to break the law. Hit somebody that was "in the passing lane" driving 65 while the middle was going the same and see what your insurance says.

And if the freeway is already starting to get congested, I'm doing 65 in #1, #2 is putting at 55-60, I refuse to further congest the right lanes AND slow myself down, just to let someone speed up to the bumper of the person that was in front of me.

The first thing I do if traffic is building up and the fast lane gets down below 40 is get in the fast lane and put 200 feet between me and the next person. Within 1 minute the 5 closest cars around me all begin to do the same thing as they realize I am braking and accelerating about 5% as much as them, and staying within 50 feet. The moment of sanity will spread both forwards and backwards through traffic.

[krolos]

No Gram's :burnrubber: :laugh:

[chrisj]

I do understand cops doing speed in the left lane, as around in my region they have lots of area to cover, so I get that. I was recently on a trip, driving my motorhome, and I lost count of the number of cars that whizzed by...and I know they weren't doing anywhere near the speed limit.

[kustom play]

I agree with you for the most part, and I do get out of the way of speeders most of the time but here is the problem. If I'm driving 65 on the freeway in the fast lane, the maximum speed allowed, how am I blocking anyone from passing? I can't believe the general tone of this topic vilifying a person for getting in the way of someone breaking the law. This isn't the autobahn, you don't have a right to drive 80, and there is no law that requires anybody to get out of your way if you choose to break the law. Hit somebody that was "in the passing lane" driving 65 while the middle was going the same and see what your insurance says.

And if the freeway is already starting to get congested, I'm doing 65 in #1, #2 is putting at 55-60, I refuse to further congest the right lanes AND slow myself down, just to let someone speed up to the bumper of the person that was in front of me.

The first thing I do if traffic is building up and the fast lane gets down below 40 is get in the fast lane and put 200 feet between me and the next person. Within 1 minute the 5 closest cars around me all begin to do the same thing as they realize I am braking and accelerating about 5% as much as them, and staying within 50 feet. The moment of sanity will spread both forwards and backwards through traffic.

if there is a faster car behind you, it doesnt matter if hes going 80 or 200. You need to move out of the way. If you worried about the law being broken then make a career shift to highway patrol. i do 80 in a 65 on a regular basis and i hate having to switch lanes because people feel they are going fast enough at 65.

[bkndacn]

^ agreed! I believe that in alot of if not most states it IS the law that you HAVE TO move to the left if there is a car trying to pass you .... even if its not it is common courtesy to just get out of the way for someone in more of a hurry than you .....
and also if you are that guy that is in the left lane blocking everyone then the mindset and hard-headedness you are displaying is the reason that we (here in the USA) are mentally incapable to ever have a "autobahn-type" highway ... so I thank you (sarcasm)

[MadMax]

http://i.imgur.com/Q9cOu.png

Nice graphic, but technically it is wrong based on the speed limit. There is no law that says you can exceed the speed limit because you are passing in the left lane. Technically, it is still illegal to exceed the speed limit at any time, so as long as you are passing other cars to your right, you have ever right to be in the left lane doing 55 MPH.

The immaturity of some people is remarkable. Just because they want to go faster than everyone else, they think it is every one's responsibility to obey the law and clear out of their way.

However, since they are themselves breaking the law, they have no right to expect others to abide by it. If they believe otherwise, then they are a hypocrite.

If someone wants to drive fast, go find a track. For most speed racers it is a a nice big piece of humble pie! They are amazed at how much they suck! :eyebulge:

I ride sportbikes, and this attitude of "superiority" is prominent with the young riders in that community as well. Those of us with more time in the saddle know better...mistakes on two wheels are much less forgiving and the ones that kill you don't necessarily have to be yours; but you still pay the price for them!

[Kal-El]

Reading this thread reaffirms that there is no consensus on how to freaking drive.

Those that have supported driving 65 in the passing lane...please partake of your Drano.

Proper driving etiquette means pulling to the right if anyone comes up behind you in the PASSING lane. Does NOT matter what speed you're going. If you're going 90 mph in the left lane and someone else wants to pass, move over unless middle lane traffic does not permit it. Plain and simple. It's not your job to police the road by going no faster than the speed limit and blocking others.

As for why cops speed while not in pursuit or emergency situations? It's quite simple. They need to constantly overcome new traffic to find lawbreakers. If they paced everyone at 65, they'd be wasting their time because they'd stay with the same group of cars that wouldn't dare pass him. What would that accomplish other than traffic congestion behind him? By going the usual 80-85 cruising speed they do, it allows them to catch up to unsuspecting speeders. They are in fact trained at high speed driving and have enhanced cars that perform well at speeds. It's not the same danger as some careless punk weaving traffic.

Maybe we need to send about half of America to Germany for some driving lessons.

[PhotoDu.de]

Unless you are a cop, it is not your job to police other people.

[JumpmanYaris]

LMAO wow I missed out on the fun!!!:laugh: chucks

[JumpmanYaris]

All of a suddent this reminded me of Ludacrist's song

Moveee Bitch get out the way bitch get out the way get out the way

[JBougie]

Per the Minnesota drivers manual:

http://www.dps.state.mn.us/dvs/DLTraining/DLManual/PDF/2009ClassD/09ClassDFinal.pdf

Passing
Improper passing causes many crashes. Use extra caution when passing
at night, when visibility is poor, and when the road is slippery.
In locations where passing is permitted on two-lane roads with traffic
moving in both directions, you may pass on the left side of vehicles
ahead of you. You should not exceed the speed limit to complete a pass.
However, the speed limit on two-lane highways with a posted speed limit
of 55 mph or higher is increased by 10 mph when the driver is lawfully
passing another vehicle in the same direction. When you are preparing
to pass, you must make sure there is a safe distance between your vehicle
and oncoming traffic. You must also look behind you to determine
whether other drivers are preparing to pass you. When another driver
is trying to pass you, stay in your own lane and do not increase speed.
Use your left turn signal before moving into the left lane to pass.
Use your right turn signal after passing and before returning to the
right lane. Return to the right lane when you can see the entire vehicle
you have just passed in your rearview mirror. When passing another
vehicle, you must return to the right side of the road before coming
within 100 feet of an oncoming vehicle.
Do not attempt to pass another vehicle in locations where a “No
Passing Zone” sign is posted or where there is a solid yellow line on
your side of the center line. Double solid yellow lines mean passing
is not allowed by vehicles traveling in either direction.
Do not pass:
• On a curve or hill where you cannot clearly see the road ahead
for at least 700 feet.
• Within 100 feet of an intersection, underpass, tunnel, or railroad
crossing.
• When you are about to meet a vehicle coming toward you from
the opposite direction.

That pretty much tells me that slow people are supposed to stay the f*ck out of the far left lane.

EVEN IF 'you shouldn't be speeding anyway' - well, that's not your job to tell us what to do. Stay the hell out of our way, and stop thinking it's funny to be an a-hole by keeping your slow asses in the far left lane.

[JBougie]

All of a suddent this reminded me of Ludacrist's song

Moveee Bitch get out the way bitch get out the way get out the way

I so play that sometimes when I want people to move. It makes me laugh while I'm silently hoping their engine falls out from under their hood :)

[frownonfun]

EVEN IF 'you shouldn't be speeding anyway' - well, that's not your job to tell us what to do. Stay the hell out of our way, and stop thinking it's funny to be an a-hole by keeping your slow asses in the far left lane.

Yeah and they pretty much teach you in driver's ed that it's just plain safer for everyone to just move the heck over. Law enforcement doesn't need extra help in slowing down speeders. (actually if you really do wanna be mr. road safety move over and report the speeder) so to agree with everyone else that has some common sense in this thread get the hell out of the left lane after you pass. Supposedly they have a law prohibiting cruising in the left lane here in texas but i've never seen it enforced.

but for those of you who just can't help but camp out in the left lane that's cool... i'll go just short of literally bumping you out of the way cause i really don't give a fuck about either of our safety if you don't have the courtesy to just ease on over to the right lane.

[sleey0]

All of you who think it is ok to drive slowly in the far left lane, please pray everynight and make sure you give your kids/wife/whatever quality time as your chances of causing an accident are tenfold.

I have sat through many classes and learned that staying slow in that lane can def cause an accident more than staying in the right.

For one, the car speeding, and lets not talk about what is right or wrong because face it - people speed and end of argument. Anyway, the car speeding either a) might not notice your speed due to traffic and will have to abruptly slow down <-- this is dangerous at high speeds on a crowded highway,

or

b) will try and pass you by moving into the middle or right lane and there are blind spots when shifting right and somone in the far right lane might be shifting into the middle lane at the same time (can anyone say, "pile-up"?) <-- this is just as bad.

You guys who do this only think, "Hey I am obeying the laws so I don't care about the lane rules/courtesy".

Well, sadly you are very wrong, no matter how you look at it.

Thank you and please, when you are done with your Drain-O, puke OUTSIDE the car!

[JumpmanYaris]

You should not exceed the speed limit to complete a pass.
However, the speed limit on two-lane highways with a posted speed limit
of 55 mph or higher is increased by 10 mph when the driver is lawfully
passing another vehicle in the same direction. When you are preparing
to pass, you must make sure there is a safe distance between your vehicle
and oncoming traffic. You must also look behind you to determine
whether other drivers are preparing to pass you. When another driver
is trying to pass you, stay in your own lane and do not increase speed.
Use your left turn signal before moving into the left lane to pass.
Use your right turn signal after passing and before returning to the
right lane. Return to the right lane when you can see the entire vehicle
you have just passed in your rearview mirror..

Thank You Thank You Thank You

[Tamago]

lol, I never follow this "rule". Little about driving a Yaris can amuse me more than seeing the mad as hell drivers in the rear view, while I cruise along minding my own business in the left lane. Its not that I'm necessarily going that slow; most drivers just act as assholes when they see a small car in the left lane.

then you are definitely someone who deserves a ticket.

the left lane is for overtaking. driving slow in it in most states is illegal.

[why?]

I absolutely despise it when people put about in the left lane. I always keep an eye on my rear view if I'm passing people in the far left lane and if I see someone coming behind me faster than I'm going I scoot over and let them pass. It's just common courtesy and keeps traffic flowing. If you sit in the left lane going slow it basically clogs the whole flipping road up.

Common Courtesy died a long time ago, people are just too stupid.


Maybe we need to send about half of America to Germany for some driving lessons.

Nah, we just need to make driving tests a ton harder, and make it so that you have to pass one every time you need to get a new license.

Unless you are a cop, it is not your job to police other people.

AMEN!!! In fact, how do you know who that person behind you is? Just because they are not in a police vehicle does not mean they can't pull you over and ticket you for aggressive driving.

[sleey0]

Well, in germany driving test are about 50x harder and I believe it is either a 1 or 2 year course.

Needless to say they obey the left lane rule amongst other things.

[why?]

Well, in germany driving test are about 50x harder and I believe it is either a 1 or 2 year course.

Needless to say they obey the left lane rule amongst other things.

Indeed they are, and I wholly support the US adopting a test of that magnitude.

[vwtech]

After driving for a while I have learned it doesnt pay to speed I stay in the right lane and end up passing everyone in the right lane at the stop light because they all raced up there just to sit and wait. Just because someone isn't passing the guy in the right lane fast enough does NOT give you the right to be a jerk off and tailgate anyone. Two wrongs don't make a right, What if you cause a wreck and take a life for no reason can you really live with yourself after that? slow down and leave five mins earlier.

[frownonfun]

i don't think anyone is talking about stop light traffic. it's when we are on the highway and someone is camped out in the left lane. there is no need. just move over. half the time i'm not even in a hurry but you'll have someone driving 65 in a 75mph zone in the left damn lane. yeah i'm gonna tailgate you. i'm gonna do it like it's going out of style and i'm gonna lay on my horn too. people can claim i'm being a jerk and being dangerous but you created the situation by not moving the hell over in the first place. not the least bit apologetic on this one.

[yarrr]

if there is a faster car behind you, it doesnt matter if hes going 80 or 200. You need to move out of the way. If you worried about the law being broken then make a career shift to highway patrol. i do 80 in a 65 on a regular basis and i hate having to switch lanes because people feel they are going fast enough at 65.

That's the thing, I'm not worried about you speeding, and I'm not "trying to slow you down." I'm just not going out of my way, going slower than I need to, risking an accident moving into heavier traffic, just to let you speed. That's insanity, and you are all wrong in this thread. Slower traffic keep right - sure, but if I'm going the maximum speed allowed on the road, I by definition, am not slower traffic, and there is no need for me to move to the right. There is a need for you to stop speeding. That's why there are speed limit signs every mile or so, and only on CERTAIN highways, are there signs that say left lane passing only.

I can't count the number of times I personally have seen someone tailgating another person in the fast lane doing 70-75 when they both pass a highway patrol officer. I have never seen the officer pull the front person over, its always the person speeding and tailgating. You guys take some driving etiquette line and turn it into law.

Not to mention, most of the time when I'm doing 70 in the fast lane, and some immature douche bag that doesn't realize their vehicle can kill someone comes flying up on my ass and gets all flustered waving their arms frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog, I AM passing cars in the middle, and there is another car in front of me ALSO doing 70 ALSO passing someone, who I refuse to tailgate like 95% of drivers out there. Maybe if you weren't so busy weaving in and out of traffic doing 10-15 over the flow of traffic like its a video game or something, you would be aware of the situation enough to back off my bumper for 2 seconds.

All you supposedly safe and knowledgeable drivers make me sick. Speeding and tailgating are retarded, no other way to put it. And then you have the nerve to tell other people they are breaking the law by getting in your way.

[yarrr]

Oh and by the way if you still like tailgating, I suggest buying a dash cam as I have a habit of slamming on my brakes and coming to a complete stop right as I'm passing a particularly slow person in the middle lane when someone is on my ass. I've only put 2 people in the dirt, but when one of you hits me, insurance almost always finds 100% fault for the person rear ending someone. It was a coyote running across the freeway I swear.

[sleey0]

Breaking the law, no.

Putting others/themselves in danger by not staying in the middle or right lane, yes.

[vwtech]

i don't think anyone is talking about stop light traffic. it's when we are on the highway and someone is camped out in the left lane. there is no need. just move over. half the time i'm not even in a hurry but you'll have someone driving 65 in a 75mph zone in the left damn lane. yeah i'm gonna tailgate you. i'm gonna do it like it's going out of style and i'm gonna lay on my horn too. people can claim i'm being a jerk and being dangerous but you created the situation by not moving the hell over in the first place. not the least bit apologetic on this one.

I know what your talking about but what if they brake check you and you rearend them it's going to be your fault. I bet you the cop will laugh then write you a ticket when you tell them they were going too slow for you in the fast lane so you tailgated them and honked the horn but they hit the brakes and you hit them.

[MadMax]

I am amused at how some claim that someone doing the speed limit in the left lane is causing a dangerous situation. The truth is that it is speeders who are the ones that are doing so. If a person is in such a rush that they can't slow down for a short while to maintain a safe distance between them a car in front of them until the latter has cleared the lane, then they are the ones that are causing the hazard!

So to all those who bitch and whine about being slowed down because of cars in the passing lane, take a second to consider that your aggressiveness and immature actions such as tailgating are the source of the true problem.

Oh, and it is illegal in many states to hit your brakes in response to a tailgater. But it is also illegal to follow so closely that you cannot safely stop in time for any reason...

[frownonfun]

i'm not concerned with people brake checking. i'm not concerned with insurance or cops or tickets. sorry. i'm unreasonably stubborn on this issue. just move over. it's that simple. i mentioned previously that the correct way to handle tailgaters and speeders is to move out of the way so as not to increase the danger of the situation. and call in aggressive driving to the highway patrol if you see fit. i also mentioned previously that i have no consideration for safety if you don't have the courtesy to just move your arms ever so slightly to the right and get back in the correct lane.

now if we are talking about several cars passing several other cars and i'm at the tail end of that line. no i'm not gonna tail the person in front of me. i'm gonna kick back and wait cause i know it's not their fault that the person all the way at the front of the group is holding everyone up.

[sleey0]

When will u ppl realize that folks are gonna speed regardless?

So just deal with it and move over:)

[sickpuppy1]

I'm not gonna take sides either way, yes I have an opinion, but its mine. I go back to being considerate. And I guess the golden rule. Since I'm over 50 and seen alot of crap go down in my life, my attitude has changed over time. Cause I used to be a speeder, and even one of the people who didnt get out of the way in any big hurry . But I refuse to let other drivers affect my attitude. I stay in the middle or right lane unless I want to pass. Let the speeder do his/her thing. If I'm in the left lane passing someone and I see the speeder coming up behind me, no days I get over as soon as I safely can and let them by. Then I can go around the slower ones later. I didnt used to be like this, but the frustration to you and that you create isnt worth it. If you knew how many people are KILLED by some other idiots road rage it would surprise you.
Insisting on your "right" to hang in the left lane is your decision, but it makes you almost as much of an A-hole as that jerk behind you,IMO. I heard of a case where a tractor trailer driver was actually pushing cars off the road that did that. Hopefully it doesnt catch up with you and you get hurt or killed, but you know as well as me that people are crazier than they used to be. They shoot at people now days as they go by. Its just a weirder world we live in and I feel no need to add to it. Do you really feel better when you lock somebody in like that? Maybe some kind of revenge? Probably trying to get rid some frustrations. But it wont get rid of it that way. And to put someone in the ditch?! Wow, you get a kick out of that?! That actually sound like you have some real anger issue that need help, seriously, it does! I'm not a pacifist, not by any stretch of the imagination, but I pick my battles over something that really frickin matters! Not over lane choice and not with a car, thats a chickenshit cowards way out. Grow up, or at least make an effort.

[frownonfun]

the correct way to handle tailgaters and speeders is to move out of the way so as not to increase the danger of the situation.

this is how i handle it. i'm not usually gunning to be the fastest man alive or anything. so i encounter people trying to go way too fast also. i move out of their way and carry on with my life.

[frownonfun]

I'm not gonna take sides either way, yes I have an opinion, but its mine. I go back to being considerate. And I guess the golden rule. Since I'm over 50 and seen alot of crap go down in my life, my attitude has changed over time. Cause I used to be a speeder, and even one of the people who didnt get out of the way. But I refuse to let other drivers affect my attitude. I stay in the middle or right lane unless I want to pass. Let the speeder do his/thing. If I'm in the left lane passing someone and I see the speeder coming up behind me, no days I get over as soon as I safely can and let them by. Then I can go around the slower ones later. I didnt used to be like this, but the frustration to you and that you create isnt worth it. If you knew how many people are KILLED by some other idiots road rage it would surprise you.
Insisting on your "right" to hang in the left lane is your decision, but it makes you almost as much of an A-hole as that jerk behind you,IMO. I heard of a case where a tractor trailer driver was actually pushing cars off the road that did that. Hopefully it doesnt catch up with you and you get hurt or killed, but you know as well as me that people are crazier than they used to be. They shoot at people now days as they go by. Its just a weirder world we live in and I feel no need to add to it. Do you really feel better when you lock somebody in like that? Maybe some kind of revenge? Probably trying to get rid some frustrations. But it wont get rid of it that way. And to put someone in the ditch?! Wow, you get a kick out of that?! That actually sound like you have some real anger issue that need help, seriously, it does! I'm not a pacifist, not by any stretch of the imagination, but I pick my battles over something that really frickin matters! Not over lane choice and not with a car, thats a chickenshit cowards way out. Grow up, or at least make an effort.

now that's a voice of reason right there. honestly that should end the thread.

[yarisitis]

This doesn't apply in California.

[yarisitis]

No, people drive fast as shit here.

People in the far right lane drive 65+, middle lane 75+, left lane 85+.

I drive 60MPH in the far right lane and have people high beam me or tailgate me because I'm apparently going too slow.

[yarisitis]

Yeah, I do it to get good gas mileage and when they do tailgate me or give me the high beams they're probably expecting me to speed up, which I don't. Then they just end up going around me.

Retards wanna go fast then they should go to the far left lanes and stay out of the slow lanes.


And man, don't get me started on people who hit their brakes for no god damn reason, I fucking haaaaaaaaaaaaate that!

[vwtech]

I do NOT agree with going under the speed limit in the fast lane but I don't think the correct answer is to tailgate and flash your lights, thats just way too distracting and you look like a huge A hole. Is that extra 5-10 mph slowing you down really going to matter, Just chill out and wait for a gap to open up to pass them life is too short to get all worked up about someone going under the speed limit.

[bkndacn]

^agreed.... alot of you need to spend some time driving in New Jersey

[vwtech]

actually a short burst of headlights while approaching a slower car is considered good etiquette, you are letting the car in front of you know you are coming in faster then he/she. also if you find it distracting maybe you're not checking your surroundings every 5 seconds like you should.

I was talking about someone riding somebody eleses ass and constantly flashing their high beams, pretty sure that isn't good etiquette.

[kustom play]

Oh and by the way if you still like tailgating, I suggest buying a dash cam as I have a habit of slamming on my brakes and coming to a complete stop right as I'm passing a particularly slow person in the middle lane when someone is on my ass. I've only put 2 people in the dirt, but when one of you hits me, insurance almost always finds 100% fault for the person rear ending someone. It was a coyote running across the freeway I swear.

so what your saying is rather then move out of the way which is the smart thing do, you would rather cause a pile up on the highway because you feel the need to slam on your breaks at random. Lets just say that the person in back of you does hit you and dies. Have fun with the manslaughter conviction. You might not know this but 90% of the highway is covered with DOT cameras.

Also doing what you just said is a classic insurance scam called "Swoop and Squat".

The smart thing to do would be just move out of the way and let them pass. Its not hard. It sounds like your out to cause an accident because your to hard headed to move over

[yarrr]

so what your saying is rather then move out of the way which is the smart thing do, you would rather cause a pile up on the highway because you feel the need to slam on your breaks at random. Lets just say that the person in back of you does hit you and dies. Have fun with the manslaughter conviction. You might not know this but 90% of the highway is covered with DOT cameras.

Also doing what you just said is a classic insurance scam called "Swoop and Squat".

The smart thing to do would be just move out of the way and let them pass. Its not hard. It sounds like your out to cause an accident because your to hard headed to move over

Nope, you hit me in the back, you shouldn't have been following so closely, end of story. Worst case it gets 50/50 if I hit the brakes for absolutely no reason and that can be proven by a camera. 90% of highways are visible from DOT cameras, I'd say about 10-20% have useable feed for a court case, if that. Good point though, I'll come up with a better lie like, oh wait I know, "its a toyota, the brakes just locked up and there was nothing I could do!" The 80 mph tire marks will be much harder to deal with for you then low resolution on ramp cameras will be for me. Also, a dash cam will not show what's in front of me if you are tailgating, all it will show is my bumper because your waaaaaaay too close. Please, please forward that to the police.

Swoop and squat involves moving into a lane and slamming on the brakes, where you don't have lane control. If I'm in the lane and have control you should have been far enough from me to not hit me if a meteor landed on me and stopped me in place.

Also, I cannot feel bad for someone dying that basically plays russian roulette every day tailgating people. If I didn't get them they could have killed someone else when they eventually killed themselves. I usually try to avoid ditches and such, but sometimes its hard to pass up those really golden opportunities where they try to speed up and cut the middle lane off to get around me, only to see my brake lights flying at them and instantly close the gap they were shooting for.

[why?]

Oh and by the way if you still like tailgating, I suggest buying a dash cam as I have a habit of slamming on my brakes and coming to a complete stop right as I'm passing a particularly slow person in the middle lane when someone is on my ass. I've only put 2 people in the dirt, but when one of you hits me, insurance almost always finds 100% fault for the person rear ending someone. It was a coyote running across the freeway I swear.

Nope, you hit me in the back, you shouldn't have been following so closely, end of story. Worst case it gets 50/50 if I hit the brakes for absolutely no reason and that can be proven by a camera. 90% of highways are visible from DOT cameras, I'd say about 10-20% have useable feed for a court case, if that. Good point though, I'll come up with a better lie like, oh wait I know, "its a toyota, the brakes just locked up and there was nothing I could do!" The 80 mph tire marks will be much harder to deal with for you then low resolution on ramp cameras will be for me. Also, a dash cam will not show what's in front of me if you are tailgating, all it will show is my bumper because your waaaaaaay too close. Please, please forward that to the police.

Swoop and squat involves moving into a lane and slamming on the brakes, where you don't have lane control. If I'm in the lane and have control you should have been far enough from me to not hit me if a meteor landed on me and stopped me in place.

Also, I cannot feel bad for someone dying that basically plays russian roulette every day tailgating people. If I didn't get them they could have killed someone else when they eventually killed themselves. I usually try to avoid ditches and such, but sometimes its hard to pass up those really golden opportunities where they try to speed up and cut the middle lane off to get around me, only to see my brake lights flying at them and instantly close the gap they were shooting for.

Please do the world a favor and kill yourself before you cause one of those 40 car pileups that kill a dozen people, because that is what they stupidity you are talking about will do. Really, with the crap you are saying you don't deserve to be alive.

[yarrr]

My sides are hurting from you too. The speeders don't cause any accidents. evar!

An unmarked car can't pull you over for one, and impeding traffic? I'm sure like 2 of those get written a month in the entire US.. You guys are out there man... lol

Oh and careful, people have been prosecuted for telling people to kill themselves... hahaha

Here's another one, I've been driving for 16 years and have never been in an accident. Its amazing I'm still alive!!!!!!

[yarrr]

. If i have two car lengths in front of me and you play your game you are at fault ,

wrong wrong wrong. 2 car lengths on the freeway? Why am I even talking to you again?

[yarrr]

p.s just remember your post , because someone somewhere one day will use it against you in a court of law, and i won't be surprised if it happens soon

You mean for why? going on manslaughter charges like the 14 year old girl's mom on myspace?

Really stop though, I'm spitting up cheez-its at the thought of someone rear ending me, and then running home and searching for a yaris forum on the off chance I incriminated myelf(or incriminated a proxy, either way)

[yarrr]

16 years of Need For Speed doesn't count as driving experience. Just because you didn't have an accident doesn't mean you know how to drive. And yes 2 car lengths behind you where you should have seen me and move out of the way not slow down like your retarded logic tells you to. And an unmarked police car can and will pull you over. I really wish you come for a visit to Montreal and pull your idiocy here, you will see how fast you will be part of a semi with Kenworth printed on your dumb forehead

ooo sick burn, eh? need for speed. YOU GOT ME! damnit!

I don't know about your backwards ass country, but here, unmarked cars can't pull you over, and 2 car lengths on the freeway gets you a tailgating ticket. The guy you were tailgating because he was blocking you in the passing lane, will look back, smile and wave.

[vwtech]

never heard of the 2 car length rule I always thought it was 3 seconds behind no matter how fast they are going.

[Kal-El]

I don't know about your backwards ass country, but here, unmarked cars can't pull you over,...

Huh?? Troopers in unmarked cars can and do pull over people all the time in the US. Maybe in your particular state they don't but no need to call out Canada like that.

A good 10-15% of our state cops up here are in plain gray Chargers.

[vwtech]

I usually just lay on my windshield washers til they stop tailgating it actually workd 95% of the time.

[33OH]

Huh?? Troopers in unmarked cars can and do pull over people all the time in the US. Maybe in your particular state they don't but no need to call out Canada like that.

A good 10-15% of our state cops up here are in plain gray Chargers.

Same here in Ohio, lots of unmarked cop cars and they can and will pull you over.

[vwtech]

Yeah I see the unmarked f150 pulling speeders over all the time here, one time they were using a riced out eclipse as a police car kinda weird.

[Kal-El]

I usually just lay on my windshield washers til they stop tailgating it actually workd 95% of the time.

LOL :tongue: That's a good one.

[PhotoDu.de]

Huh?? Troopers in unmarked cars can and do pull over people all the time in the US. Maybe in your particular state they don't but no need to call out Canada like that.

A good 10-15% of our state cops up here are in plain gray Chargers.

Once in Utah I saw somebody pulled over in an unmarked Mustang.

I usually just lay on my windshield washers til they stop tailgating it actually workd 95% of the time.

Oh yeah! That reminds me...

In high school I drove my mom's 1994 Plymouth Voyager. I re-aimed the back window washer and used it on tailgaters.

[Kal-El]

never heard of the 2 car length rule I always thought it was 3 seconds behind no matter how fast they are going.

The common rule of thumb, and the one taught in driving schools, is one car length for every 10mph to allow proper stopping time if the car in front suddenly jams on their brakes or hits something.

So on the highway, that means a good 6 car lengths. Naturally, most people don't follow this especially in the left lane.

[Kal-El]

Oh yeah! That reminds me...

In high school I drove my mom's 1994 Plymouth Voyager. I re-aimed the back window washer and used it on tailgaters.

Haha. Did you fill the washer container with oil slick? :biggrin:

[frownonfun]

i guess it doesn't really matter now but i work in new mexico and yes unmarked cars can pull you over. same in texas. i think that's bs but it's just the way it is. but there is also always that situation where it's dark and you can't tell what the car is behind you. i came so close to brake checking some a-hole who came up on me all fast on I-10 while i was passing another vehicle. i decided against it and just sped up and moved over into the right lane. turned out it was a highway patrol. few miles up the road he's got some corvette pulled over on the side of the road. frankly i don't see why he didn't just have his emergency lights on but oh well he didn't and if i had brake checked him he probably wouldn't have been happy at all.

[landrym28]

Huh?? Troopers in unmarked cars can and do pull over people all the time in the US. Maybe in your particular state they don't but no need to call out Canada like that.

A good 10-15% of our state cops up here are in plain gray Chargers.

Here in Canada (or at least where I am), the police cars aren't "unmarked". If you actually drive by one and look closely (or see one in a parking lot when you're both parked, that's alot safer :wink: ) you can see the word "Police" on the sides. There's a few around here that are black, with a dark gray "Police" lettering on the sides.

[SilverBack]

Since everyone on the road does the opposite, we might as well just play the reverse psych game. Fast cars to the right, slower ones to the left. Should fix that :biggrin:

[kustom play]

My sides are hurting from you too. The speeders don't cause any accidents. evar!

An unmarked car can't pull you over for one, and impeding traffic? I'm sure like 2 of those get written a month in the entire US.. You guys are out there man... lol

Oh and careful, people have been prosecuted for telling people to kill themselves... hahaha

Here's another one, I've been driving for 16 years and have never been in an accident. Its amazing I'm still alive!!!!!!

unmarked cars pull people over here all the time

you do seem like an idiot though, and i doubt you have been driving for 16 years. The way you talk you sound like your just a kid.

[kustom play]

well that is a mature reaction , and yes i do have a dash cam just for morons like you and in addition to being forwarded to the Police department it goes on Youtube with your plate #. And the cop will give you a ticket for slamming on the brakes to avoid " a coyote" what's less serious some damage to your car from hitting an animal or a brand new casket when you have a radiator in place of your idiotic head. Try doing that to a 18-wheeler even if the driver wanted to avoid hitting you you still create a potential pile up situation. If you are slow-poking in the left lane trying to be a vigilante you will end up dead in many situations

in all honestly a 65-70 mph hit to the rear will more then likely put him into the barrier or into another car. He wont be able to tell the cop what happened because he will most likely be in critical condition or dead. All because he was too dumb to move over and wanted to play games.

[Kal-El]

Even "unmarked" state cops aren't necessarily unrecognizable as cops. There are clear signs when they are fairly close. The cars have to have police lights in the windows which are usually quite visible. Then of course there's the extra antennae. And many times the plain car will still have the ramming steel bumper on the front.

[PhotoDu.de]

Even "unmarked" state cops aren't necessarily unrecognizable as cops. There are clear signs when they are fairly close. The cars have to have police lights in the windows which are usually quite visible. Then of course there's the extra antennae. And many times the plain car will still have the ramming steel bumper on the front.

Also cop plates.

[auxmike]

Black Charger,limo tint, small lights on the edges of the windshield you just CAN'T see!:iono:
Scary @ss looking car....:eyebulge:

[JumpmanYaris]

I am wrong for this but it seems like everytime I tailgate a cruser on the left lane they get the hint and move over and I normaly thank them with me waving my hand to them

[JumpmanYaris]

Now bring on the :evil:

[tomato]

You don't need to tailgate. Just high-beam the guy up a couple of times, and he'll get out of the way (at least he should)

[fmicle]

I don't know about your backwards ass country, but here, unmarked cars can't pull you over.

Maybe in NM... I've seen unmarked cars pulling people over in CA, so you should research your facts a bit...

[JumpmanYaris]

You don't need to tailgate. Just high-beam the guy up a couple of times, and he'll get out of the way (at least he should)

in Indiana/Kentucky that doesnt work I tryd it

[47_MasoN_47]

Black Charger,limo tint, small lights on the edges of the windshield you just CAN'T see!:iono:
Scary @ss looking car....:eyebulge:

That's the same way the ones in AL look. They look identical to those FIB cars in GTA4. The FPD does have a tweaked out Mustang and a couple of other cars though that look normal other than performance modifications and shiny wheels. They can and will pull you over. Also, I know for a fact that unmarked cars have pulled people over in NM and gave them tickets. Several of my friends live over at the Air Force base there.

[JumpmanYaris]

My sides are hurting from you too. The speeders don't cause any accidents. evar!

An unmarked car can't pull you over for one, and impeding traffic? I'm sure like 2 of those get written a month in the entire US.. You guys are out there man... lol

Oh and careful, people have been prosecuted for telling people to kill themselves... hahaha

Here's another one, I've been driving for 16 years and have never been in an accident. Its amazing I'm still alive!!!!!!

Poor bastard had it coming lol BANNED HAHAHA that's what you get when you think you know it all and have no common sence what so ever. Ppl like you need their lic. Taken away.

[KrazyDawg]

Slothman: my biggest pet-peeve is when people STOP at a yielding merge when there is a merging lane .... not only is it harder to merge into traffic from a dead stop but it dangerous for the people that are coming behind you that are doing the right thing and trying to merge ....
Sometimes stopping is safer. I've seen people think they can go from 25 MPH to 50-55 MPH and think they have the right of way, when they're supposed to yield. Yes it merges but oncoming traffic shouldn't have to yield from 55 to 35.

[Shroomster]

Sometimes stopping is safer. I've seen people think they can go from 25 MPH to 50-55 MPH and think they have the right of way, when they're supposed to yield. Yes it merges but oncoming traffic shouldn't have to yield from 55 to 35.

In response to what you said:

The people in the merge should NEVER STOP it's unsafe and causes unnecessary congestion. At any rate traffic enforcement refuses to do their job and cite them for obstructing a roadway, so people will continue to stop.

they (the ones already on the road) shouldn't be slowing down, they should be attempting to get over to the left into the middle lane instead of blocking the slow lane and merge lane from the entry ramp.

I deal with merging at least three times on my way to and from work, I have to stop once at one because it is just after an intersection and no one seems to understand that grouping up (bunch of vehicles tailgating and going the same speed) is unsafe. I pull all the way up the merge lane and then wait for a break/light change.

People need to be aware of the surroundings and not drive with blinders.

The 'merging traffic ahead' sign is not their for beautification

https://media.nationalsafetycommission.com/signs-small/yellow/merge2.gif

I see this I get into the middle lane, I don't try to hold my speed or refuse to let people merge, I don't slow down so they can merge. You never know who is merging, or if they're paying attention.

[KrazyDawg]

In response to what you said:

The people in the merge should NEVER STOP it's unsafe and causes unnecessary congestion. At any rate traffic enforcement refuses to do their job and cite them for obstructing a roadway, so people will continue to stop.

they (the ones already on the road) shouldn't be slowing down, they should be attempting to get over to the left into the middle lane instead of blocking the slow lane and merge lane from the entry ramp.

I deal with merging at least three times on my way to and from work, I have to stop once at one because it is just after an intersection and no one seems to understand that grouping up (bunch of vehicles tailgating and going the same speed) is unsafe. I pull all the way up the merge lane and then wait for a break/light change.

People need to be aware of the surroundings and not drive with blinders.

The 'merging traffic ahead' sign is not their for beautification

https://media.nationalsafetycommission.com/signs-small/yellow/merge2.gif

I see this I get into the middle lane, I don't try to hold my speed or refuse to let people merge, I don't slow down so they can merge. You never know who is merging, or if they're paying attention.
I agree with what you said when it comes to just a merging sign but this is a yield sign without a merging sign. This is on a two lane road with a posted speed limit of 50 MPH which means most people will be driving over the limit. An opportunity isn't always available to change lanes when cars are not leaving a 3 second gap. I've seen cars cut others off without signaling because they don't want to be stuck in a merging lane.

"A three-sided red YIELD sign means you must slow down and be ready to stop, if necessary, to let any vehicle, bicyclist, or pedestrian pass before you proceed."

Ref: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/ped_sig_traf_sgns.htm

[frownonfun]

i didn't like the guy's opinions who got banned but i don't know that i wanted him banned for it. maybe there was some over the top pm'ing going on that i don't know about.

[JumpmanYaris]

He needed it, is it temp? or for good?

[sickpuppy1]

I agree, Yes has a right to his opinion, but folks, lets face it, he was doing alot of that stuff for the sole purpose of instigating the fight. Just to tick you off. He knows how to trip buttons and enjoys doing it. For that he should be banned and I hope they are watching his IP, cause I'm sure he will be back. I'm a Mod over at Heartlandrc.com and we go out of our way to NOT be ban happy. People are different and some are easier to get along with than others, hang with those you like and avoid the others. But some times there are trolls that just like to start stuff to be difficult. Those are the ones you watch for.
And man, amongst us redneck RC racers, theres a bunch,LMAO!!

[JumpmanYaris]

lol damn

[fmicle]

lol, let that be a lesson :wink:

[kustom play]

he had it coming, he was acting like a total child about the subject. Its ones thing to disagree about something, its another to just be outright rude about it

[why?]

no one gets banned for their opinions no matter how different they might be

I here that, and I am living proof, no matter how much I try.:tongue:

[eTiMaGo]

back on topic, you guys should come over here and see how any inkling of an idea of lane discipline is a laughable concept :biggrin:

on a 4-lane highway, the slowest lane (usually reserved for trucks) becomes the unofficial super fast lane if people in the fast lane aren't going fast enough for your taste... weave weave weave is the word of the day.

and yes, road deaths here are horrifically high :iono: