RIMS a Noob-toob question =]

[donchae]

noob here.. :smoking:

i just got my AMAZING '07 yaris 3 days ago.. :burnrubber:

was thinking of putting alloy rims on it.. found 2 different kinds. both have 4x100 bolt patter and are 15"
give em a good clean and i wanna paint em matte black (or maybe gun powder colour)

this one looks a lil chunky but looks pretty cool, i think
http://image.usedvictoria.com/photos/03/24/15459524_640.jpg

this one's from a '93 honda prelude, simple and basic pattern
http://image.usedvictoria.com/photos/03/76/15441676_640.jpg

i'm new to this kind of things.. i've always wanted to do some DIY stuff with the cars i've owned, but never really got to it coz i've always looked for different cars.

but now, i think i've found the car that i'm willing to spent my time on :headbang:

all comments and suggestions will be appreciated :thumbup:

[padre1964]

go with the first set

[Klink10]

Weigh em and go with the lightest.

[donchae]

Weigh em and go with the lightest.

hmmm.. how will the weight of the rims affect the car? what would be the "ideal" weight for a yaris?

[WeeYari]

hmmm.. how will the weight of the rims affect the car? what would be the "ideal" weight for a yaris?

This little car really feels every pound of wheel weight. There have been many posts regarding performance difference when people drop to lower weight wheels.

Many inexpensive wheels, while they look great can be extremely heavy, weighing in at as much as 22 pounds depending on diameter. I personally would not put on anything over 16 pounds. Wheels can be found that come in at approx. 9 lbs each but at a cost. Striving for between 12 and 14 pounds I would say is ideal.

[kimona]

Wheel offset on the second set should be okay. Check for proper offset on the first set. For everday driving, the significance of wheel weight (even on this tiny car) is often over-emphasized. However, super light wheels will negatively affect driving comfort and even compromise performance on the road, while really heavy wheels will have an almost imperceptible negative affect on acceleration, but fuel economy will be slightly compromised. Go with the wheel you like the best.

BTW, what colour is your sedan?

[donchae]

This little car really feels every pound of wheel weight. There have been many posts regarding performance difference when people drop to lower weight wheels.

Many inexpensive wheels, while they look great can be extremely heavy, weighing in at as much as 22 pounds depending on diameter. I personally would not put on anything over 16 pounds. Wheels can be found that come in at approx. 9 lbs each but at a cost. Striving for between 12 and 14 pounds I would say is ideal.

Thanks WeeYari!! :biggrin: i should do some more readings around eh. you guys are very informative and helpful.

[donchae]

Wheel offset on the second set should be okay. Check for proper offset on the first set. For everday driving, the significance of wheel weight (even on this tiny car) is often over-emphasized. However, super light wheels will negatively affect driving comfort and even compromise performance on the road, while really heavy wheels will have an almost imperceptible negative affect on acceleration, but fuel economy will be slightly compromised. Go with the wheel you like the best.

BTW, what colour is your sedan?

i think they'd call it (here in canada) bayou blue. i believe it's a base model but it's got the sport trim and all power options. i'm planning on painting the badges so that it's the same with the rims.

**edit: the owner of the first pic said that the offset of the rims were 35 and that they won't fit the yaris (he originally bought them for his yaris, but they didn't fit)

[WeeYari]

donchae,

Although I don't personally care for the first ones pictured, a +35 offset with a 4X100 pattern should fit. Only thing that could be stopping them if the current owner is correct in them not fitting would be too small of a hub bore. That, or they are 8 inches wide.

Also, regarding your response to kimona, the sedan never came in Bayou Blue. It was offered in Pacific Blue Metallic and Nautical Blue Metallic. Pacific Blue was close to Bayou Blue

[Black Yaris]

Preludes never came with a 4x100 bolt pattern. They were 4x4.5/114.3

[Bluevitz-rs]

Preludes never came with a 4x100 bolt pattern. They were 4x4.5/114.3

Either way, Honda hubs are smaller than Toyota hubs, so you'd have to bore the centers out or they won't bolt up.

[33OH]

Preludes never came with a 4x100 bolt pattern. They were 4x4.5/114.3

80-91 Preludes were 4x100, but the wheels in question above are definitely 4x114.3. :wink:

Either way, Honda hubs are smaller than Toyota hubs, so you'd have to bore the centers out or they won't bolt up.

Not entirely true, a lot of members are running Civic SI wheels. I'm too lazy to look up the exact dimensions of the hubs for Hondas, but I know some do fit.

OP - our hubs are 54.1mm, do a little research on the hub of the wheel you are purchasing or you may end of having to bore them out as Bluevitz is saying.

[donchae]

donchae,


Also, regarding your response to kimona, the sedan never came in Bayou Blue. It was offered in Pacific Blue Metallic and Nautical Blue Metallic. Pacific Blue was close to Bayou Blue

you're right! pacific is VERY close to bayou blue. :eek:

[donchae]

as for the wheels, gentlemen, thank you for the help. for now i'm gunn do a little bit more of searching regarding the prelude rims.. i really like them and i think that they would look really nice with the yaris.. i'm gunn have a look at them personally and see what happens from there. :smoking:

[Bluevitz-rs]

Oops, sorry it's the other way around. I ran Toyota rims on my Honda and had to bore them out.

[why?]

However, super light wheels will negatively affect driving comfort and even compromise performance on the road,

Just curious about this. How are they suppose to negatively affect driving comfort and performance?

I can say I don't think there have been any negatives with my wheels, but I am curious.

[evo165]

Just curious about this. How are they suppose to negatively affect driving comfort and performance?

I can say I don't think there have been any negatives with my wheels, but I am curious.

Me too very curious about that as well. My current rims just changed 3 days ago to Volk Racing CE28N 14 x 5.5 inch (185/65/14). Before that i am using the SSR Type-F 15 x 7 (195/55/15).

The feel & response of the engine now is so much lighter/faster acceleration. As for comfort level, it drive & absorb bumps so much BETTER now than before. (Due to my thicker tires side wall) I LOVE the feeling & the handling of my car now!! The more I drive it, the more i'm loving it!!! :wub:

Maybe the only negative effect i can think of now is the cornering speed, wider rims/tires width always offer sure foot to the ground. But once again, my yaris is daily street cars with many stop & go in my local traffic therefore i opt for the tiny rims/tires over the wider rims/tires. ;)

donchae: If you're choosing ONLY between this 2, i'll advise you to go for the lighter one. It gonna make a different in your tank mileage as well as faster acceleration for our tiny 1.5 engine. :wink:

[donchae]

Either way, Honda hubs are smaller than Toyota hubs, so you'd have to bore the centers out or they won't bolt up.

i am just now realizing how much work i have to do with the rims if i buy them this way.. i was thinking on just actually ordering one, but i'll give this a shot.

and also with this, i'm learning more things about wheels. i didn't know what hub, boring, offset, and etc before i put this thread up.

[donchae]

Oops, sorry it's the other way around. I ran Toyota rims on my Honda and had to bore them out.

oh so you're saying toyota's are smaller than honda's..

[33OH]

Not all cars are the same, even if they're the same manufacturer. Just keep it in mind to look it up if you know the rim the car came off of. Some Honda Civic rims DO fit on the Yaris.

Our hubs are 54.1mm, same as a Miata.

The Prelude rims you pictured won't fit, but only because they are 4x114.3 lug pattern (not 4x100). You can buy adapters but I personally would just look for Civic rims.

[why?]

Me too very curious about that as well. My current rims just changed 3 days ago to Volk Racing CE28N 14 x 5.5 inch (185/65/14). Before that i am using the SSR Type-F 15 x 7 (195/55/15).

The feel & response of the engine now is so much lighter/faster acceleration. As for comfort level, it drive & absorb bumps so much BETTER now than before. (Due to my thicker tires side wall) I LOVE the feeling & the handling of my car now!! The more I drive it, the more i'm loving it!!! :wub:

Maybe the only negative effect i can think of now is the cornering speed, wider rims/tires width always offer sure foot to the ground. But once again, my yaris is daily street cars with many stop & go in my local traffic therefore i opt for the tiny rims/tires over the wider rims/tires. ;)

donchae: If you're choosing ONLY between this 2, i'll advise you to go for the lighter one. It gonna make a different in your tank mileage as well as faster acceleration for our tiny 1.5 engine. :wink:

welcome to the club! There are a couple of us around here on those rims.

Oh and miata wheels are better than civic wheels. Better miata community, and better variety of lightweight wheels.

[donchae]

Our hubs are 54.1mm, same as a Miata.

The Prelude rims you pictured won't fit, but only because they are 4x114.3 lug pattern (not 4x100). You can buy adapters but I personally would just look for Civic rims.

just a little confirmation, is the hub the centre hole of the rim? i tried to do some research about rims, but i still kind of get confused about that.

so there are things such as adapters.. hmm.. i'd rather just have my rims fitting just right. i'll look around for more rims.. i really like the style of the honda ones.

[WeeYari]

The hole in the centre of the rim is the hub bore. The hub is on the vehicle. Aftermarket rims are manufactured with a very large hub bore in order to address fitment for a larger vehicle segment. Hub centric rings are then used to reduce this large bore to the exact hub diameter (54.1mm in our case) of the vehicle being mounted on. OEM rims are manufactured with an exact dimension hub bore. This is what makes it difficult to mate some rims to another vehicle even if offset and bolt pattern will work.

[donchae]

The hole in the centre of the rim is the hub bore. The hub is on the vehicle. Aftermarket rims are manufactured with a very large hub bore in order to address fitment for a larger vehicle segment. Hub centric rings are then used to reduce this large bore to the exact hub diameter (54.1mm in our case) of the vehicle being mounted on. OEM rims are manufactured with an exact dimension hub bore. This is what makes it difficult to mate some rims to another vehicle even if offset and bolt pattern will work.

:thumbsup: thanks for the patience and info..

[donchae]

so i bought a set of lowering springs for my sedan, Tanabe NF210.. but i'm gunn wait until spring before i install these babies. :) and plus i don't really have the time right now..

another this is what do you guys think of the following:

http://image.usedvictoria.com/photos/01/18/15676218_640.jpg

this is what the owner had said: "in okay condition, they run well with no vibration. tires are 205/50/15. are out of date but do have tread. one of the tires is only a year old. fits jetta, or golf too. 4 bolt by 100, would take a 195/55/15 which is excellent size for a passat/jetta.. +35 offset"

i said before that i'll just get aftermarket rims, but for some weeeiirrddd reason, i am really liking this set of VW rims

[padre1964]

looks like a difficult style to clean, just my 2 cents

[Betrivent]

Do you want to buy mine? I'm in Vancouver. You can have em once I put my winter steelies on :P


Note* I've rebalanced them and had stick on weights out on

[donchae]

Do you want to buy mine? I'm in Vancouver. You can have em once I put my winter steelies on :P


Note* I've rebalanced them and had stick on weights out on

mazda precidia eh? i was thinking on switching the wheels of our precidia to my yaris.. hehe.. how much are you selling them? just pm me :smile:

[donchae]

looks like a difficult style to clean, just my 2 cents

padre, yes it does look like it.. but im a patient person, and i like to take my time doing stuff.. at least with that, i can assure that things are going smoothly.. :tongue:

[Betrivent]

They're MX-3 wheels, circa 1994

EDIT: Forgot to mention I've sinced shaved off the mazda logo and repainted the centre caps a shade of grey that SORT of matches the wheels, not noticeable unless you look closely :redface:

[33OH]

I like the VW wheels, very nice looking. And OEM VW wheels are usually worth a little bit, check out vwvortex.com.

[donchae]

I like the VW wheels, very nice looking. And OEM VW wheels are usually worth a little bit, check out vwvortex.com.

the ones pictured above are being sold for $100 CDN... :redface:

[33OH]

Yeah I'd be picking those up. Just me though. :)

[donchae]

Yeah I'd be picking those up. Just me though. :)

you think there's gunn be problems regarding the tire pressure sensor thing with the VW rims?? and what tire size would you recommend with that? 185/60/15?? i am still confused about these numbers.. what does the 185 stands for? and the 60? i know that the 15 is the size of the rims.. and offset is how much the wheels are sticking out right?

freak! i wish i had the yaris veterans' brains when it came to this.. doesn't even help when i have 'better' priorities than the my lil chug butt :cry:

[33OH]

185 is the width of the tire in millimeters.

60 is the ratio of the shoulder height to width. The smaller the number, the lower the "profile" of the tires.

Offset in a dumbed down way, is yes - it sticks out more or less. (It's really how far the mounting surface is from the center of the wheel. If it's towards the rear of the wheel, it sticks out more, if it's towards the front it tucks in more, etc.) For an OEM wheel you won't really need to worry about offset.

But yes, a 185/60/15 would work fine. Or a 195/55/15. Or a 205/50/15. Etc...

[33OH]

Good place to compare tire sizes, you're just looking at the overall diameter and making sure it stays close. The sidewall height is important too as you don't want a beefy looking tire. http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

[kimona]

you think there's gunn be problems regarding the tire pressure sensor thing with the VW rims?? and what tire size would you recommend with that? 185/60/15?? i am still confused about these numbers.. what does the 185 stands for? and the 60? i know that the 15 is the size of the rims.. and offset is how much the wheels are sticking out right?



Not sure if the TPMS will fit those old VW wheels. Don't know the wheel specs, except you state offset is +35mm... in which case I'd probably go with 185mm or possibly 195mm tyres.

[33OH]

TPMS most likely won't fit. Just means the light will be on (or you can disable the TPMS system.)

[ddongbap]

lol@noob-toob. You MW2?

[donchae]

lol@noob-toob. You MW2?


:laugh: not at all... but i do always watch my bro play cod4 and mw2.. he hates noob-toobers... :biggrin:

[donchae]

Not sure if the TPMS will fit those old VW wheels. Don't know the wheel specs, except you state offset is +35mm... in which case I'd probably go with 185mm or possibly 195mm tyres.

TPMS most likely won't fit. Just means the light will be on (or you can disable the TPMS system.)

:eek:yikes!! uhm i don't think i would wanna mess with the TPMS... hmm.. ahhh i hate today's technology.. why can it be just like the old days.. we were fine without these weird monitoring stuffs.. :iono:

[33OH]

I just run without TPMS, doesn't hurt anything.

If you want different rims than the stock steelies with TPMS installed, you'll have to get OEM Toyota/Scion rims (or one someone else has figured out that you can install the TPMS in.)

[kimona]

I just run without TPMS, doesn't hurt anything.

If you want different rims than the stock steelies with TPMS installed, you'll have to get OEM Toyota/Scion rims (or one someone else has figured out that you can install the TPMS in.)

The TPMS from Toyota steel wheels will fit most aftermarket alloy wheels.

[33OH]

I'm just saying if you want it for sure that you'll need to buy wheels that you know 100% for sure they will fit, i.e. OEM wheels that already have had them in it. Unless there is a way to tell before you order aftermarket wheels?

[kimona]

There are very few aftermarket alloy wheels that OEM TPMS from steel wheels won't fit.

For example, discounttiredirect guarantees the TPMS from Toyota steel wheels will fit every alloy wheel they sell.

Until recently, tirerack's website indicated that OEM TPMS from steel wheels would not fit aftermarket alloy wheels, but this information was absolutely incorrect. After hounding the tech department for months, it seems tirerack has finally removed this misleading statement only to replace it with one that still leaves TPMS fitment unclear. But, talk to the right sales rep at tirerack and he'll admit that TPMS from Toyota steel wheels will fit virtually every wheel they sell.

[33OH]

Thanks for the info Kimona. I've never been concerned about it so I've never looked into it. Good stuff!