noob here.. need help on questions about turbo and engine life

[10Kyaris]

ive looked around the forum ( which im still new to) and i want to know how will a turbo effect the life of my engine??? i can do basic things likes like swap parts no problem and troubleshoot problems with my haynes manual..but my guess is with these small engines, there probally not meant to have too many horsies... ive been told a bolt on turbo is probally the best for me with my average knowledge about cars.. HELP????

[Freedan]

Anything you do to increase performance will come at a price. Increase wear and tear, etc. You have to WANT it bad. Not just a passing fancy. If you aren't ready/willing to commit a lot of TIME and MONEY, then a Turbo isn't right for you.

Sorry if that came out as harsh but I just had to get that out of the way.

Here is a guide from Focus Shift on how he installed his Zage Turbo Kit.
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30375

Read it then decide if you can do the install yourself. Not sure how much a shop will charge to install a Turbo, but I highly doubt it'll be cheap. :tongue:

And just for the record, I don't have a Turbo or Supercharger. Lack of Funds is my problem. :cry:

[why?]

ive looked around the forum ( which im still new to) and i want to know how will a turbo effect the life of my engine??? i can do basic things likes like swap parts no problem and troubleshoot problems with my haynes manual..but my guess is with these small engines, there probally not meant to have too many horsies... ive been told a bolt on turbo is probally the best for me with my average knowledge about cars.. HELP????

How it will affect the life of your engine depends on how hard you push it. If you go low boost, do it right, and baby it, it will still last a long time.

If you push the boost as high as you can, while driving it like you stole it, and you don't take care of it, and don't mod the internals, you will kill your engine very quickly.

[xbgod]

Oh....boy.. here we go again.

Someone please direct him to a previous Thread or post. Or even better Cali-Yaris, Cdj.... or all three of us; we need to just make a sticky on the do's, dont's and examples of turob building and all the B.S it incompasses.

XBG

[Nexus1155]

:P Ahhhhhh see xbgod I was wondering how many more of these threads you could deal with before you realized its impossible to teach people who want everything just handed to them as if no info existed out there.

Queue up the gif where the cursor goes to click "new thread" and it gets moved to the "search" button.

[xbgod]

You are so right.

This one does strike me as strange almost as if Trolling.

Two seperate threads on the same thing. Or this guy really is sleeping in a cave.

I know we all like to help but damn, does anybody do a little research anymore?

XBG

[Nexus1155]

Yeah as the first post appeared in the other forum I already thought it was a troll to begin with, so no need to even respond. Or he may even just be young. (Did you see the kid who posted who is the youngest in the DIY/Service section?! REALLY?! LOL)

I like to help if it is a legit question and its not something that could have been researched easily before hand, like this one, its a basic question thats been beaten to death. And sure someone answered it helpfully, but im sure you understand it will never stop.

Perfect example is on the audi forums theres a warning that says do not ask about this this this and this. But we still get threads like can I use a BOV on my car when we should use Diverter valves. Or is this the best exhaust. Is this the best intake. etc etc etc. Beaten to DEATH 10x over.

[xbgod]

In his other thread he said he was a family guy. So the question goes to ponder if he is really clueless about this stuff or is he fishing. Either way I think were all moving on unless he can really pull a rabit out of his ass. And explain......................

XBG

[Focus_Sh1ft]

I thought I summed it up pretty nice

Also – this is an incredibly lengthy and difficult installation. If you’re on the fence about all the work required to pull this off, stop here. You need to WANT this. You need to want this more than the fat nerdy kid wants to lose his v-card by the end of senior prom. Yeah, THAT MUCH. You’re going to get so worn out and sore and get soooo many cuts (my hands are still healing). You’ll get over it though, because I can safely say the end justifies everything. I would say it took me approximately 4 six-hour days to finish the install. Troubleshooting and leak diagnosis made it take a couple days longer.

Not to mention the cost. Final cost w/ exhaust included was about $2700 for me.

And yeah, seriously, google first. We live in the information age... and it's all out there and so readily available.

[xbgod]

And thats a WRAP Gentlemen................:clap:

[cali yaris]

no, wait I want the last word. :laugh:

I know we all like to help but damn, does anybody do a little research anymore?

Nope.

[10Kyaris]

you guys are like world of warcraft geeks... i dont even know what to say..

[xbgod]

We usually play Dungeons & Dragons "were kinda old-school"

XBG

[sleey0]

D&D. hahahah made me REALLY laugh, Aras.

I'm new school and like to play MW or Battlefield 2.

Not in the Army anymore so I got to get my fix.

Speaking of which, my AR15 hasn't been used in a while. Need to go to the range. Just got an awesome Trijicon ACOG for it:) w00t

[Focus_Sh1ft]

you guys are like world of warcraft geeks... i dont even know what to say..


In all honesty, I don't think WOW geeks even have time to post on forums that aren't directly related to the game. They're such busy people, props to them. :rolleyes:

[Nexus1155]

Speaking of which, my AR15 hasn't been used in a while. Need to go to the range. Just got an awesome Trijicon ACOG for it:) w00t

In all honesty I wasn't expecting sleey0 to have an AR15 as well, let alone one with a $1k-$2k scope on it. And you worry about dropping money on a turbo kit! :confused:

[sleey0]

Yes, I do worry about dropping money on a turbo kit.

The only reason I worry is because it is my dd.

I can't have any down time because my car is used for business. That is why I am going to have a pro install done.

All of this factors into the total dollar amount.

Shit, if I was gonna do it myself then I would prolly have just pieced together a cheap kit and would troubleshoot. Can't do that.

Was planning on spending a week or so in Buffalo where the shop is to get it right. I mean testing the shit out of it.

So, I do have to be careful.

Besides, I didn't pay no where near what you see at retail for the ACOG:) I am ex-Army and will always love my weapons and am a true believer in home defense. Although, the AR isn't for that - the Benelli is!

[cali yaris]

I can't have any down time

You will.

[Freedan]

sleey0, may I suggest Airsoft? You get a lot more of a rush then just going to the range and shooting targets. Also, no cleaning of weapons afterward.

Check out http://www.airsoftpost.com/

[xbgod]

If you don't want any down time, then don't boost. There will always be something that puts you in that position.

Air-soft??????????????? are you serious???????????????

You wana rush????????????? come out here I'll get you a moving target that shoots back.

Air-soft..........Think I'll go play WOW now. (Gay)

XBG

[Nexus1155]

LOL I would not trust a shop to just take a week. To get it installed by yourself and not tuned like others did will take admiration and multiple days and troubleshooting. If you can't find another car to borrow, don't even risk it. Even a good mechanic will take a handful of days to make sure everything is done properly.

Yeah I know, I have an AR15 as well, I didn't know you were ex-army, I don't know how old you are I thought you were younger.

I don't really go for the expensive end of guns as long as its a good shot. You can't really build a cheap good AR anyways so I can''t really say that but you are not an American gun owner without an AR, EVERYONE has one. Most Benellis are $$$, I am thinking of getting a Moss 500 or Rem 870 just something with a short barrel for the house. Also just put an order for a Glock 19. Rock Island 1911 will have to wait :frown:

[sleey0]

This is a tuning shop. They install everything, from turbos to sc to twin charging.

They have been xoing this for over 15 years and come highly recommended.

I was told.as.long.as.I.only want low boost.they will hook me up and if anything comes up they will help.

The issues i.am talking about are like focus shift. Did u.see what that dude went thru with the leaks and dtcs?

I have mad respect for him but i am paying for a pro install. We are.going to dyno then street tune it. The owner assured me, ar $85 per hr, my shit willl look so good it will be like it came from the factory (not ezact words but what i gathered).

Besides if i do have a down day I am sure there is nothing a$35 rental car cant cure.

Thx for the concern, but I believe with the right parts and right ppl doing your stuff I can run this car boosted trouble free. I dont plan on racing it or dogging it. Just want a car withmorethan 80whp lol.

[cali yaris]

Thx for the concern, but I believe with the right parts and right ppl doing your stuff I can run this car boosted trouble free.

ok, just remember we all posted the same thing about this. It hasn't been true for anyone else. I could explain why at least some small failures are predictable too, but you have a set point of view it seems.

My downtime (after a professional install and low boost, as you describe):

vacuum leak
IC pipe coupler loose
coil popped off
wiring fixes
etc.

[sleey0]

And those I can deal with here where I live.

The smaller sruff yes- the larger stuff no.

And wouldnt vacuum leaks be caught quickly? And I didnt know u had a pro install done garm. Thought u did it yourself lol.

My pov isnt fixed but I am doing ehat I can to make.sure my ride will be the best itcan.

If I have issues the shop isnt very far. Its doable with a leak or dtc, not in limp mode of course.

Whatever. I thought Id get a little more support here but everyone is like dont do it as u will run into too many problems.

Question for garm or xbg, once your system was.setup how many problems did u have?

I guess garms.answer might be somewhat irrelevantbecauseu make close to 400hp.

All I want is like 150 - 180TOPS. Anything in that range should be doable with no internal issues.

My motor has 25k on it. Pretty new in japanese standards.

Look.at my sig.says it all.

I love this forum and am going ahead with my project regardless. I know all consequences involved.

Trust me you will be answering issues I have I am.sure of that.

But I can work around a.day or three of dowbtime.

THANKS ALL!
Wes

[xbgod]

Even with professional install, unseen problems occur. Like Cali-Yaris posted those are some of the same challanges I faced. Word of advice, have a sit down with this company discuss the concerns you have; also get a feel for the kind of work they do. Take a look around the shop, notice the kind of clientel they have and work habbits around the shop. Make sure these guys are used to working on small displacement motors and understand the kind of tune your looking for. Ask to see if he is qualified on your engine management. Don't be afraid to call them on the carpet on something your not sure on. A good shop will have their accomplisments posted on the wall for all to see. Like CFT where I go, Rolo has all his certs. on the wall for you to see and all the magazines they've been in, in plain view. As soon as you walk in to CFT you know your in a Tunner Haven. Nothing but 4 cyl and turbos as far as you can see.

And even with his professional installs and service, your still doing something to a car that was never meant to be. So you will always be tinkering and adjusting and checking things. It will no longer be a get in and go change the oil every 3,500 miles car.

You will be listing for unusual sounds and changing your spark plugs more often along with more frequent oil changes and pereodic inspections to make sure everything is still tight. You are now putting your car under more load which has an effect on everything; from your axels to your tranny to having a cupler come loose on your I/C piping.

However it's so much fun !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep in mind you are shorting the life of your unbuilt motor and thats really your main concern. But it's the price you pay to play.

XBG

[sleey0]

Understood EVERYTHING Aras.

I check my car daily and it isn't even modded. So I would be quite diligent.

I know the small things to look for.

There are 2 shops that I am "intervieweing" at the moment.

One of the shops mechanics/tuners HAS A YARIS!

So I will do my homework and choose wisely.

I have heard only good things about both and both are willing to have me there to show where everything goes etc.

They said I could even help if I wanted, which I may, but for $85/hr defeats the purpose hahahaha.

We will talk, xbg.

[cali yaris]

Question for garm or xbg, once your system was.setup how many problems did u have?

post 23. that was at 8 psi on the first install.

[cali yaris]

I guess I misunderstood. Somehow.

You said:

I can't have any down time

Then you said:

But I can work around a day or three of downtime.

ok, I'm done with the topic of downtime, onward. Start ordering crap already, LOL.

[sleey0]

Trust me Garm, I have things planned out but there are outside factors in play.

You will see what I am trying to accomplish. Nothing out of the ordinary.

Believe you me, if I could begin YESTERDAY I would have. Crap, if I could have started last month I would have lol.

And, I still need that part from Blitz. I hope they contact you soon.

Thanks, Garm. If you had a turbo kit we would most likely be talking more about it. I like your manifold, BTW. Nice welds:)

Oh, and about the downtime. Last thing:

Here is my "sitrep" - I work for WWTS which is a company that handles warranty work for all the big OEM's (Dell, IBM/Lenovo, Sony, and soon Asus and I am sure more as they want to expand to pretty much every tech company it seems).

My schedule - I make my own! So, yes I NEED my car, but I can afford SOME downtime,

Not a couple of weeks like focus_shift. God bless him, though. I would have ripped my hair out.

But, I can work and play around since my job is very flexible. I work from home, baically, but need my car.

I suppose if something big happened than Enterprise here I come!

Thanks, Garm for everything, And I will be sending you that leaky smoked LED marker soon.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Haha honestly, for a $2700 turbocharger install w/ gauges, FIC, exhaust included, downtime wasn't bad at all.

Seriously... sit down, drink a beer, watch some tele. :biggrin:

I'm with everyone else though, unseen errors WILL occur. This is a big install, and there's sooooo many little things that can go wrong and will go wrong. I went into it with that mentality and look at me now ma.. I'm boostin around town. :thumbsup:

[jetbtkng]

Haha honestly, for a $2700 turbocharger install w/ gauges, FIC, exhaust included, downtime wasn't bad at all.

Seriously... sit down, drink a beer, watch some tele. :biggrin:

I'm with everyone else though, unseen errors WILL occur. This is a big install, and there's sooooo many little things that can go wrong and will go wrong. I went into it with that mentality and look at me now ma.. I'm boostin around town. :thumbsup:

what about pre detonation, these are 10.5 compression, as are my solara's & there sc'ed @ 7 & 8psi with the 3.0, im using urd split second to do the fuel & timming, & havent seen any posts about knocking issues & what fuel the boosted guys use, i make my own fuel mixture to get 94.2 octane, just bought a brand new 2010 2dr hatchback and want to sc it.....:drinking:

[cali yaris]

at 7 to 8 psi, you should be able to tune the car to run well on 91 pump gas.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

I'm running 93 with no tuning. So far so good.

[KCALB SIRAY]

If you don't want any down time, then don't boost. There will always be something that puts you in that position.

Air-soft??????????????? are you serious???????????????

You wana rush????????????? come out here I'll get you a moving target that shoots back.
Air-soft..........Think I'll go play WOW now. (Gay)

XBG

:laugh:

[xbgod]

Well gentlemen if your gonna build a boosted vehicle you might want to make 9.5:1 compression you will get much better results. You can achive this by changing the top of the piston. Now you can get away with a much easier way to build boost without the fear of detonation.

Arias pistons has a designe on hand that I have in my car and will turn your set-up into 9.5:1. also their ceramic coated so "bring on the heat"
cost 800.00

If you can't do that then the methanol choice is your only alternative. This will allow you to compinsate for that 10.5:1 ratio your stock motor has.

This is how it works:

It reduces air inlet temperatures which allows users to increase boost pressure (and advance timing on forced induction gas applications) to create more power by utilizing the cooling effects of the system under heavy load.

Thats the short and skinny of it. Also run 93 octane and a NGK BKR7E racing plug. You will get great results. That is the most widely used tunner plug around.

Good luck

XBG

[sleey0]

I got Denso IK22's instead of the NGK's. Also the TRD pluggs are just IK22's that are slightly modified.


Probably the same plug lol - NGK might be made by Denso.

[xbgod]

Not even close. NGK is by NGK. The most widely used plug in racing. and the BKR7E the most widely used plug for tunning 4 cyl turbo cars hands down. Except no substatute.

XBG

[sleey0]

Already have the denso's so oh well.

The ngk and denso.in heat range 7 weresame price, fwiw.

Denso's are highly regarded by others, so IDK?

[sleey0]

sleey0, may I suggest Airsoft? You get a lot more of a rush then just going to the range and shooting targets. Also, no cleaning of weapons afterward.

Check out http://www.airsoftpost.com/



hahhaahha

Not knocking ya, but nothing will replace the smell of fresh fired bullets and sweating at the range:headbang:

[jetbtkng]

Well gentlemen if your gonna build a boosted vehicle you might want to make 9.5:1 compression you will get much better results. You can achive this by changing the top of the piston. Now you can get away with a much easier way to build boost without the fear of detonation.

Arias pistons has a designe on hand that I have in my car and will turn your set-up into 9.5:1. also their ceramic coated so "bring on the heat"
cost 800.00

If you can't do that then the methanol choice is your only alternative. This will allow you to compinsate for that 10.5:1 ratio your stock motor has.

This is how it works:

It reduces air inlet temperatures which allows users to increase boost pressure (and advance timing on forced induction gas applications) to create more power by utilizing the cooling effects of the system under heavy load.

Thats the short and skinny of it. Also run 93 octane and a NGK BKR7E racing plug. You will get great results. That is the most widely used tunner plug around.

Good luck

XBG thats what i thought, i didnt see any posts in regards to pre detonation u cant run big boost unless u use 94+ octane up to 6psi with an apexi neo fuel management, & if u run 7-8 psi like i do on my solara's then u need a urd split second & a meth kit using a 375 nozzle, im running a stock 3.0 10.5 compression & im getting 304.5 whp & 302.7 lbft, the stock engines whp is about 150 so i doubled the output of the 3.0 with no problems, but the gas is the most important factor when running high boost......

[jetbtkng]

Already have the denso's so oh well.

The ngk and denso.in heat range 7 weresame price, fwiw.

Denso's are highly regarded by others, so IDK?

i use Denso's in my car there great plugs never a misfire or failier.....

[sleey0]

thats what i thought, i didnt see any posts in regards to pre detonation u cant run big boost unless u use 94+ octane up to 6psi with an apexi neo fuel management, & if u run 7-8 psi like i do on my solara's then u need a urd split second & a meth kit using a 375 nozzle, im running a stock 3.0 10.5 compression & im getting 304.5 whp & 302.7 lbft, the stock engines whp is about 150 so i doubled the output of the 3.0 with no problems, but the gas is the most important factor when running high boost......

Our engines are completely different but I get what you are saying.

And, yes, some ppl regard Denso plugs BETTER than NGK's.

(waiting for xbg's comment) lol

[xbgod]

You run what ever plug makes you happy.

I just know over my last 11 years of drag racing no other plug is more widely used then NGK.

Ask any high end tunner shop "NGK"

But again only so many ways to skin a cat however I only run proven parts.

XBG

[sleey0]

Well, how about this aras, I buy a box of NGK 7's and run them after the Denso's.

Or run them/test them next to each other? lol

Won't notice what a plug is doing AS LONG AS it's doing its job.