My first clean install of windows Xp

[Shroomster]

4 hours approx, most of the time has been spent updating from SP2 circa 2002. Went great with 2 minor hitches.

1. forgot to plug ethernet cable back into pc, spent about 10 minutes trying to figure out why the internet wasn't working. Stupid neon blue cable lying loose on the floor :redface:.


2. Couldn't figure out why the onboard graphics/sound wasn't working. (I had no sound and low res 400x600 with 16 color, not 16k, just sixteen). Forgot to re d/l drivers first lol.


Anyways, I do have a question:

Do I need any of the '.NET Framework' programs? are they necessary for the OS?

[fnkngrv]

They are necessary for a lot of programs be ones that run via your browser and those installed natively. I would strongly suggest you install. For future reference you should load up a USB key and make yourself a tool kit if you haven't. Place updated installs for small programs, updates, and drivers. Comes in super handy so you don't have to dick around with waiting for them to download each time. I rebulid my box once every 6 months.

[Shroomster]

They are necessary for a lot of programs be ones that run via your browser and those installed natively. I would strongly suggest you install. For future reference you should load up a USB key and make yourself a tool kit if you haven't. Place updated installs for small programs, updates, and drivers. Comes in super handy so you don't have to dick around with waiting for them to download each time. I rebulid my box once every 6 months.

sounds like a plan. 4 hours is a real PITA.

[chrisj]

You don't necessarily need the .Net programs. If a program that you use requires it, it will generally install itself, then it will be there. I wouldn't worry about it until you have a program that needs it. You may never need it, but as I said, if an install of a program needs the .NET Framework to run, it will usually install it itself.

I was a computer tech for 23 years. It sure does pay to have a USB thumbdrive with all your updated drivers on it.

[RedRide]

I ageee. Install the latest vers of NET and be done with it.
NET vers are always backwards compatable with earlier vers.

BTW, I have a few apps that required net and most of them did not come with it.
However it totally depends on the app.

[chrisj]

A normal XP install shouldn't take more than an hour or so, and most of that is wait time IF you have needed drivers!

[Shroomster]

A normal XP install shouldn't take more than an hour or so, and most of that is wait time IF you have needed drivers!

ha at the far end of the curve as usual with me :biggrin:

the next step will be to get a usb drive and get all the updates for xp onto it....

[chrisj]

LOL! That hour I was talking about was if you had everything you needed to do an install of XP ONLY. Now, getting driver updates, and especially installing application software (if you wiped the computer and are doing a completely clean install) will take the time you took...at least.

If I have to re-do mine, it takes me about 2 days (on and off work) to get everything back exactly like I want it. I hate doing it, as you would expect. :)

[yarisitis]

Any reason for not upgrading to 7?

[chrisj]

^ I wouldn't use Windows 7 if someone had a gun to my head. It is a restyled junk version of Windows Vista. I have had every new version of Windows that came out, and have always gone back to 2001 and Windows XP, although I do have SP3 on it. Only in the case of not being able to get a driver for Windows XP for a new add-on piece of equipment would I even consider upgrading, and then I would try everything I could to NOT upgrade.

Windows 7 sucks hard. Nothing special about it whatsoever. It's slow, just like Vista, and I will be damned if I give Bill any more money for something that isn't needed. Just go in an office and check out the number of businesses still using XP, even after 9 years. You can't beat it.

I would never, ever upgrade just because something new came out. Never.

Sorry, but I get riled just thinking about that shit Windows 7 or Vista.

[yarisitis]

I see where you're coming from. Vista is mostly to blame for giving people that mentality. I didn't even bother making the upgrade to Vista, I just stuck to XP.

BUT, Windows 7 is great, it's everything Vista should have been. I haven't had any real issues with it. And now that I've been using it since the release candidate, I can't imagine going back to XP.

I think the reason companies are slow to make the leap to 7 is mainly due to the cost of upgrading and the mentality of "if it ain't broken, don't fix it," which is understandable. A lot of companies use programs that run best with XP that either haven't been updated for 7 or they have but the company isn't willing to spend the money and the administrative burden of doing the upgrade.

But for an individual, it's totally worth the upgrade. And if you're not willing to put a couple of hundreds into Bill's pocket, then there's other methods of getting it :wink:

[chrisj]

And if you're not willing to put a couple of hundreds into Bill's pocket, then there's other methods of getting it :wink:

I have no idea what you're talking about! :laugh::smoking:

There were some things I wanted that I was hoping 7 would fix over Vista, but it didn't happen. I had software that wouldn't run on 7, so I ditched it.

[yarisitis]

Haha, seriously just download it man and install it as a virtual machine so you can try it out and learn to love it. You'll have to give up XP eventually, just do it!

























I don't work for Microsoft, by the way, I'm not getting paid for this lol.

[chrisj]

I did install it, as soon as it came out (7). I have several older games and programs that I will not part with, and 7 just wouldn't run them. That was a dealbreaker for me. Also, I hated the Programs menu in Vista, which is the same in 7. Another big thing for me is how I maneuver through folders with My Computer. Vista screwed it up on me and 7 didn't do it any differently.

My wife has 7 on her new laptop and she uses it fine. I think it may be a matter of how much you want the computer to do for you. I do not want a computer "thinking" it knows what I want. :) Also, new users with nothing but 7 will never know anything else.

You won't believe this, but I have a couple of boxes that I keep as spares just in case I have problems with my PC and need to swap out. There are some brand new PCs that don't have XP drivers available, and I have a kind of "backup" of a couple of computers on standby! lol!

[chrisj]

^ There you go. I came from DOS and being a tech anyway I like it clean and quick. Vista and 7 are anything but those things. Too much flash for me...besides that little incompatibility issue I mentioned.

[yarisitis]

The run dialog box still exists in Windows 7 for regedit.exe and msconfig.exe lol.

All of the administrative stuff you could do in previous OS's can still be done in 7, the OS is just more dumbed down to be more user friendly for those who don't know shit, but all of that stuff still exists and is still accessible in pretty much the same ways.

One thing I hate that they did was get rid of the visual status of defragging hard drives. I liked seeing those little blocks of red and blue change! Now I have to run defrag.exe in the command prompt to actually see statistics of defragging.

[fnkngrv]

Like you Chris I have been building and fixing computers since DOS with WordPerfect 5.0. I think that you have me beat on the longevity part however. I moved to Win7 myself and have no issues with it whatsoever. I actually like it much more than XP. I have an MSI GX720 gaming laptop and it flies with 7. XP it worked just ok. With Win7 at least I can use the AHCI feature of my motherboard. I had to disable it to work with XP. Any of the games that I had actually do not crash with 7 as they did with my XP install. I felt like Vista and ME both were absolute junk. In all honesty when a customer brought me either I refused to work on them. Win 7 definitely refined many things that just blew on Vista. I still find that I can tweak the registry the way that I wish as well as MSCofig. I really like using the Command Center on Win 7. Different strokes for different folks. If you have a laptop and mulicore processors I feel that Win 7 is your way to go. If you have a desktop and don't have multicore then XP I guess. I can say this about XP....I was able to build a stripped down box pretty easy that was lightening fast for Office and the Internet whereas when I have attempted that with Win 7 not so much for that.

[fnkngrv]

One thing I hate that they did was get rid of the visual status of defragging hard drives. I liked seeing those little blocks of red and blue change! Now I have to run defrag.exe in the command prompt to actually see statistics of defragging.


Even when using Perfect Disk on Win 7 I really don't notice a difference.

[chrisj]

You know, back in the old DOS days of low-level formatting hard drives just to get to the point where you could actually partition and format it, it was a blessing when a time saver like Windows 95 came out. Of course I used Win 98 right up until XP in 2001. I didn't even give up 98 right away! I still have an old laptop with 98 on it. I just think Vista and 7 have so much fluff and things I don't need, and both of those OS's seem like they are tailor-made for home users who want push-button convenience. As a tech I am just biased I guess. :)

I think we got a little off the topic here, where the guy wanted info about his install issues... LOL! Sorry about that. I get on my soapbox sometimes. I need to work on that.

[why?]

i agree that DOS was the best, I hated windows. Had a copy of windows 3.3 and it was absurd. Of course now you are pretty much forced to run windows if you want to play any computer games. Windows 7 is pretty awesome.

Speaking of having computers around, pretty sure I still have a 386 here somewhere. Fun stuff playing the original Wing Commander and Space Quest.

[Shroomster]

I did a complete partition wipe and install through cd. ok so true, the first hour was roughly xp install the rest could/should be done by usb, but damn all those exceptions and updates for security....

I haven't fully gotten the understanding down on 'ghost' and 'virtual' aspects of running OS's, but I'm sure if I keep at it I'll get there. I'm slowly figuring out my way through registry editing (properly) lol. My next step is to find out where I found how to kill the hard drive access during online video playback....causes freezing of video but the audio never stops...


HAHA FOUND IT (http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/fixing-choppy-audiovideo-playback/page-2/)

[Slick]

I dont know what ya'll are complaining about. Win 7 64 is imo the fastest win os available. I ran my "version" on a clean drive, no problems, and I haven't even thought about going back. I love win 7 64. Yeah its a lil convoluted, but like any other program, once you get used to it its just another os. You couldn't boil me up and throw me on a prev gen win os. Everything is sooo smoooth.

Now, I will admit, I am biased. The only os I have used has been win. I started with win 95. Although, I use my rig for gaming with my 5870. So as long as I can click the icon then im g2g :) I dont care how I get there.

Edit: btw, Eyefinity is freakin AWESOME

[Altitude]

I did a complete partition wipe and install through cd. ok so true, the first hour was roughly xp install the rest could/should be done by usb, but damn all those exceptions and updates for security....

I haven't fully gotten the understanding down on 'ghost' and 'virtual' aspects of running OS's, but I'm sure if I keep at it I'll get there. I'm slowly figuring out my way through registry editing (properly) lol. My next step is to find out where I found how to kill the hard drive access during online video playback....causes freezing of video but the audio never stops...


HAHA FOUND IT (http://blogcritics.org/scitech/article/fixing-choppy-audiovideo-playback/page-2/)

Ghosting is a image backup of the HD. Once you get your XP set the way you like, ghost it. Then when it comes time to do a reinstall, just restore the image. :)

Also, you can download versions of XP that have been 'slipstreamed'. Meaning they include all service packs as part of the installation so it's just pop the CD in and go. Use your original product key of course.