Smoking Ban? Drinking Ban!

[chrisj]

Smoking has been banned in most public places.

I think drinking should be banned in public places as well. :thumbsup:

I totally understand that my smoking may bother others who don't smoke. Hell, I rode on airplanes back in the days when you could smoke on them, and at the time I didn't. I think that's why those little air nozzles were put into planes to begin with, because the smoke choked me. I have always disliked smoking sections in restaurants. I don't go to a restaurant to smoke, so even though I smoke I always got the non-smoking section.

Now, as far as drinking goes, I think it should be banned in public places too. Places such as sporting events should be first on the list. The problem with drinking in public places a lot of the time has to do with Joe Jerkoff who has one too many Bud Lights and decides to let the asshole side of himself come out. You know, those loud people who you'd just like to punch out. Around the world, drinking at sporting events has caused riots and other violence, and yet it's not banned.

Bars should also be closed, as they are also public places. The legal limit in most states is going down, down, down, so basically you will be legally drunk if you have just a couple of beers with any alcohol in them at all. Unfortunately, there are those who don't know the meaning of the word "moderation" and go to a bar to "unwind" after work. That means to drink more than they should be, in general, and these idiots drive home afterward. Okay, that's REAL safe.

It just seems to me that there's a double standard, and if you're gonna ban one thing, you damn sure oughta ban the other. Just my personal opinion, of course!

[firebob]

I do feel that they should limit the places that drinking is allowed. But I hate paying taxes and they need to up the alcohol tax like they did to cigarettes.

As in limit I’m thinking everything but bars.

[1stToyota]

That'd sure take a lot of the fun out of those sporting events if the drunks weren't allowed to drink and piss at them.

[JumpmanYaris]

I agree Chris.

[severous01]

i think youre wrong. lets give up our rights to have weapons, vote, and drive cars as well...lets see...people get in car accidents...so let's just save everyone's lives by not allowing anyone to drive. all because one kid can't hold his tongue??? no way...put his ass in jail where he belongs. and if he gets there a few more times...death. he deserves it for being a public nuisance.

hmmm...well, deer and bears have rights so lets not allow anyone to have a gun to shoot them...let's make it even more sporty and not allow knives too cuz heaven knows someone's gonna get some balls to go huntin and hell or high waters he's gonna kill something....so, now we have no guns, and no knives. so...how you gonna eat your steaks? oh wait...we're all vegetarians now because noone can kill anything.

wait it gets better...asprin has been known to cause stomach ulcers...lets ban acetamenephin.

power lines cause cancer...so lets ban electricity in all major areas.

mcdonnald's makes people fat and gives heart attacks in a bag...so they're banned too...but you can't ban just one so bye-bye burger king, taco bell, wendys', whataberger, jack in the box, subway, chilis, outback, chedars, ryan's, luby's, joe's crabshacks,


point is...where's it gonna stop? if you're an idiot and wanna drink and drive...get caught, lose your license once and then die the next time...i say any way.

sorry to be so hard, but attitudes so loose as to throw away our rights i worked for ... pisses me off. i'm a vet, and i may not agree with what you say but you cross the bounds when you start talking about taking liberties away because some idiot can't hold his liquor. i can...why should i be punished? i worked for my freedom...have you? i put in 6 years, 2 semi-wars, 8 months in the freakin desert, stayed away from my kids for 6 years cuz x-bitch couldnt handle a 'military lifestyle' and bailed...got screwed over when i left, cant find a jobs becuase noone wants a 'hired gun' in their stores or whatever. so you tell me if it's gonna stop at taking alcohol away from public places...no it's not. some idiot's gonna spout off...similar to what you're doing...and say that they dont like soda's cuz they make people fat and causes diabetes...yeah if you drink a 2 liter an hour...


sorry, got a little heated. i came back to edit but it's been done

[JumpmanYaris]

Want to edit your post to a nicer way?

[MadMax]

For one, bars are not public places; they are private businesses.

Secondly, there are few health concerns over secondhand drinking!

Lastly, most cities have ordinances against public consumption of alcohol. In 1993, the Texas Legislature enacted Section 109.35 of the Alcoholic Beverage Code which states that a city council can petition TABC to adopt an order to prohibit the possession of an open container or the public consumption of alcoholic beverages in the central business district of the city. "Central business district" is defined as a compact and contiguous geographical area of a municipality in which at least 90 percent of the land is used or zoned for commercial purposes and that is the area that has historically been the primary location in the municipality where business has been transacted...

Sec. 109.35. ORDERS FOR PROHIBITION ON CONSUMPTION.
(a) If the governing body of a municipality determines that the possession of an open container or the public consumption of alcoholic beverages in the central business district of the municipality is a risk to the health and safety of the citizens of the municipality, the governing body may petition for the adoption of an order by the commission that prohibits the possession of an open container or the public consumption of alcoholic beverages in that central business district.
(b) If a municipality submits a petition for an order of the commission to prohibit the possession of an open container or the public consumption of alcoholic beverages in the central business district of the city and attaches to the petition a map, plat, or diagram showing the central business district that is to be covered by the prohibition, the commission shall approve and issue the order without further consideration unless the commission finds that the map, plat, or diagram improperly identifies the central business district.
(c) The commission's order may not prohibit the possession of an open container or the consumption of alcoholic beverages in motor vehicles, buildings not owned or controlled by the municipality, residential structures, or licensed premises located in the area of prohibition.
(d) In this section, "central business district" means a compact and contiguous geographical area of a municipality in which at least 90 percent of the land is used or zoned for commercial purposes and that is the area that has historically been the primary location in the municipality where business has been transacted.
(e) In this section, "open container" means a container that is no longer sealed.

San Antonio (http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/laws/cities/san_antonio.pdf) only recently elected to create a law prohibiting the public consumption of alcohol; but my point is that your claim that it isn't regulated as much as smoking is erroneous.

Oddly enough, I was flying out of Munich, Germany Monday morning and noticed that Camel (the manufacturer of cigarettes) had built "smoking dens" (for want of a better term) there to allow smokers to enjoy that nasty habit, as it is also illegal to smoke in that airport. I took some pics and will post them up later, but I found it to be an amusing compromise.

However, having spent the previous week in southern Germany, and eating most nights in gasthauses (restaurants) were smoking still allowed, I was appalled at how badly my clothes reeked of smoke afterward. I for one am happy that smoking is prohibited in many if not all public places. Smokers tend not to realize how offensive their habit is to others...whereas unless someone spills their drink on you, there is no after-effect from someone else drinking in a public place!

Cheers! M2

[SailDesign]

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Smokers tend not to realize how offensive their habit is to others...whereas unless someone spills their drink on you, there is no after-effect from someone else drinking in a public place!

Cheers! M2

I'm with you on most of that post, but I still maintain that you can chain-smoke a whole carton, and apart from the stench you are still the same polite, considerate human being you started as, whereas after a few pints/shots, you are probably NOT the same person you started as. You are more likely to be belligerent, puke on your shoes (or mine!) and be dangerous on the road.
I would rather have "smoking clubs" where people can smoke and kill themselves slowly than bars, where people can drink and then kill others quickly.
For the record, I used to smoke and drink, and have not drunk in 34 years, or smoked for the last 5.

[tomato]

Ahem *cough*. No name calling, guys.

[tomato]

That'd sure take a lot of the fun out of those sporting events if the drunks weren't allowed to drink and piss at them.

:laugh::laugh: hehehe

Yeah, I don't know Chris, personally I think you're on a slippery slope with that kind of reasoning. :iono:

Keep it civil, guys :smile:

[1stToyota]

:laugh::laugh: hehehe

Yeah, I don't know Chris, personally I think you're on a slippery slope with that kind of reasoning. :iono:

Keep it civil, guys :smile:

Yeah, no *mean drunks* around here, please... :wink:

[chrisj]

Well, there's another fine mess I've gotten myself into. LOL!

I am a vet too, but I don't see what serving my country has to do with smoking or drinking. It's the bad drinkers who give them all a bad name, just as it's the smokers who puff in peoples' faces, making people hate smokers. As I said, I never smoked in places where I felt it would infringe on another person's space. I even crack the window in the car, as I don't care for the second hand smoke myself.

My whole point to this post was that I don't think it's fair to pinpoint a smoker when drinkers can be problems too. There are lots of bad smokers and good ones. There are lots of nice drinkers and bad ones.

I hated it when they banned smoking in bars. Now, even though they may be private spaces and not public, the public laws sure put a stop to smoking in them...private or not. I think a smoke and a drink just go together myself. Also, removing smoking from prison was just stupid. These convicts get in trouble worse for having a cig than a joint.

Oh well, I will crawl back into my hole now. :)

[DebbyM46227]

I'm a nice drinker!

I say we should ban texting and maybe even talking on the cellphone while driving - nationwide!

[tomato]

^ now that's a good idea :headbang:

texting is against the law here in CA and people are supposed to use their bluetooth headphones but they don't.

Actually not long ago, they busted a woman for talking on the phone and .. breastfeeding!!! I'm not making it up.

[JumpmanYaris]

You want to know what's crazy the ppl here in Louisville are making laws for stripclubs now lol the dancers can no longer dance topless that's crazy hehe. No that I care cus I don't go to any of em I got a dancer of my own at home lol. So if they do that it wouldnt be called a stripclub, right ? :redface:

[why?]

The problem with that attitude is where does it stop? We have the mayor of new york city trying to regulate salt and other things in the cities restaurants, we have the wife of the president trying to tell us all how to eat, and we have a clueless congress who does everything but what they are actually allowed to do by law.

So where do you want the government legislation of how you live to end? Or would you rather just be a slave with zero say in anything at all?

[chrisj]

I dislike laws telling me I HAVE to wear seat belts. I would wear them anyway probably, but to have a law that makes me just pisses me off. There are WAY too many laws on way too many things. I think laws need to be directed toward more important things, than trying to make us all look like we can't think for ourselves.

BTW, I have no problem with drinking. I have a full bar here at home. My problem is when laws are skewed one way or another. I mean, how much of an example is it setting for our kids when every single sporting event they watch is sponsored by some asshole beer company? Yeah, that sets a real good example.

[nemelek]

Most people do drink responsibility. Over 50% of alcohol consumed is drank by 10% of the population. It is the 10% that bloody our highways.

[p123456789]

Maybe they should invent some sort of douche bag screening device at the entrances of bars and sporting events to tell If your going to act like an a hole before you even enter.
I went to my first baseball game and I was stuck next to the bad drinker guy who though it was funny to yell names at the players he didnt like it got super old. I am so glad they killed smoking though its so gross to sit down at a table to see a nasty ash try full of butts makes me throw up. It doesn't matter what it is there will always be the one guy to screw it up for the rest of us.

[chrisj]

^ I agree!

[JumpmanYaris]

Maybe they should invent some sort of douche bag screening device at the entrances of bars and sporting events to tell If your going to act like an a hole before you even enter.
I went to my first baseball game and I was stuck next to the bad drinker guy who though it was funny to yell names at the players he didnt like it got super old. I am so glad they killed smoking though its so gross to sit down at a table to see a nasty ash try full of butts makes me throw up. It doesn't matter what it is there will always be the one guy to screw it up for the rest of us.

dbag alert

[.Kevin.]

i think youre wrong. lets give up our rights to have weapons, vote, and drive cars as well...lets see...people get in car accidents...so let's just save everyone's lives by not allowing anyone to drive. all because one kid can't hold his tongue??? no way...put his ass in jail where he belongs. and if he gets there a few more times...death. he deserves it for being a public nuisance.

hmmm...well, deer and bears have rights so lets not allow anyone to have a gun to shoot them...let's make it even more sporty and not allow knives too cuz heaven knows someone's gonna get some balls to go huntin and hell or high waters he's gonna kill something....so, now we have no guns, and no knives. so...how you gonna eat your steaks? oh wait...we're all vegetarians now because noone can kill anything.

wait it gets better...asprin has been known to cause stomach ulcers...lets ban acetamenephin.

power lines cause cancer...so lets ban electricity in all major areas.

mcdonnald's makes people fat and gives heart attacks in a bag...so they're banned too...but you can't ban just one so bye-bye burger king, taco bell, wendys', whataberger, jack in the box, subway, chilis, outback, chedars, ryan's, luby's, joe's crabshacks,


point is...where's it gonna stop? if you're an idiot and wanna drink and drive...get caught, lose your license once and then die the next time...i say any way.

sorry to be so hard, but attitudes so loose as to throw away our rights i worked for ... pisses me off. i'm a vet, and i may not agree with what you say but you cross the bounds when you start talking about taking liberties away because some idiot can't hold his liquor. i can...why should i be punished? i worked for my freedom...have you? i put in 6 years, 2 semi-wars, 8 months in the freakin desert, stayed away from my kids for 6 years cuz x-bitch couldnt handle a 'military lifestyle' and bailed...got screwed over when i left, cant find a jobs becuase noone wants a 'hired gun' in their stores or whatever. so you tell me if it's gonna stop at taking alcohol away from public places...no it's not. some idiot's gonna spout off...similar to what you're doing...and say that they dont like soda's cuz they make people fat and causes diabetes...yeah if you drink a 2 liter an hour...


sorry, got a little heated. i came back to edit but it's been done

Drinking and driving gets the person killed - even friends who are sober and other vehicles they hit .

Mcdonalds its YOU who shoves that burger in your own mouth.

Your comparison is completely way off this planet.

Good attempt though

[TLyttle]

Easy, there, Kevin, we are different from them. Notice that his first concern was "giving up weapons". When one is raised in a culture where weapons are one's first concern, every other civil attitude is bent to the right. Because we are from a different culture, we don't understand this devotion. Note the difference between their pledge to the flag, and our pledge to the Queen: theirs goes on and on, ours is just 2 words.

We have to live beside the US, and they have lobbyists here whose job it is to convert Canada into the US way of life, ie, get rid of universal health care, promote guns, stop welfare, all that stuff that doesn't conform to the American Ideal.

If this sound harsh, it isn't meant to be, it is just the conclusions I have come to after dealing with the Americans, individually and politically, for 50 years. It is just something to keep in mind...

[.Kevin.]

Easy, there, Kevin, we are different from them. Notice that his first concern was "giving up weapons". When one is raised in a culture where weapons are one's first concern, every other civil attitude is bent to the right. Because we are from a different culture, we don't understand this devotion. Note the difference between their pledge to the flag, and our pledge to the Queen: theirs goes on and on, ours is just 2 words.

We have to live beside the US, and they have lobbyists here whose job it is to convert Canada into the US way of life, ie, get rid of universal health care, promote guns, stop welfare, all that stuff that doesn't conform to the American Ideal.

If this sound harsh, it isn't meant to be, it is just the conclusions I have come to after dealing with the Americans, individually and politically, for 50 years. It is just something to keep in mind...

It's hard to restrain with such .. impossible arguements makes me wanna just rip my hair out at some of the most oblivious comparisons.

I honestly think wellfare shouldnt get taken away, but it should not be handed out so easy. OH this person decided to let their life slip ! It's our duty to take care of them! Just like handing money to first nations etc not to be racist because its basically the same thing as wellfare.

Ridiculous but thats for another day. Apologies to any offenses I've made.

[1stToyota]

Easy, there, Kevin, we are different from them. Notice that his first concern was "giving up weapons". When one is raised in a culture where weapons are one's first concern, every other civil attitude is bent to the right. Because we are from a different culture, we don't understand this devotion. Note the difference between their pledge to the flag, and our pledge to the Queen: theirs goes on and on, ours is just 2 words.

We have to live beside the US, and they have lobbyists here whose job it is to convert Canada into the US way of life, ie, get rid of universal health care, promote guns, stop welfare, all that stuff that doesn't conform to the American Ideal.

If this sound harsh, it isn't meant to be, it is just the conclusions I have come to after dealing with the Americans, individually and politically, for 50 years. It is just something to keep in mind...

Well, I'm glad the forefathers of America had the backbone not to lie down on their flanks with their tails tucked...guess the grit they showed then keeps us from giving our "pledge to the Queen" today. And I've also had a dealing or two...once when I was trying to get into Canada, to spend those nasty American tourist $$, the gentleman informed me that I'd have to pay to get in, and when I asked what the "fine" would be, he asked "How much money do you have?" ...wrong answer :laugh:

[Kal-El]

Easy, there, Kevin, we are different from them. Notice that his first concern was "giving up weapons". When one is raised in a culture where weapons are one's first concern, every other civil attitude is bent to the right. Because we are from a different culture, we don't understand this devotion. Note the difference between their pledge to the flag, and our pledge to the Queen: theirs goes on and on, ours is just 2 words.

We have to live beside the US, and they have lobbyists here whose job it is to convert Canada into the US way of life, ie, get rid of universal health care, promote guns, stop welfare, all that stuff that doesn't conform to the American Ideal.

If this sound harsh, it isn't meant to be, it is just the conclusions I have come to after dealing with the Americans, individually and politically, for 50 years. It is just something to keep in mind...


Have to say that this post is disturbing.

You're basically saying that less freedom is superior. That socialism is better. And you're proud of that? :eek:

I happen to be proud not to have to pledge to a King or Queen.

Even though the left is quickly grabbing all of our freedoms in America, we are going to fight like hell to keep them.

Weapons aren't our first concern, freedom and liberty is.

[Kal-El]

Drinking will never be banned from bars and restaurants. Obviously that would mean abolishing bars.

But I can foresee the argument for banning alcohol at sporting events. Reason being is that public intoxication is already illegal and a stadium of 40,000 people seems pretty public to me. Kind of seems like a double sided rule. Also, a sporting event is filled with kids who may be surrounded by drunks. You don't find kids in bars.

But ultimately, I think the law would be another unnecessary piece of legislation that takes one more bite out of freedom. I personally hate alcohol but regardless, such a freedom shouldn't be taken away.

[frownonfun]

i think we should just ban alcohol out right. i think it would work. lol.

ok i'm kidding but really though i'm not sure why everyone is so bent on protecting a freedom that ultimately just ends up getting people killed. that's really all alcohol does. but this is a tough one to call for me.

on the one hand i feel like as long as the government is allowing you to do it in your own home then what's the harm in taking it away everywhere else? except bars maybe. but on the other hand would that really do anything to curb drinking and driving or people becoming unruly at events that would normally serve alcohol. i'm sure people would just get extremely lit at their houses first as a way to get around this and then go driving drunk to their event of choice. and if they don't kill someone along the way they'll show up and be that drunk jerk regardless.

idk. i definitely see where the OP is coming from but like i said it's a tough one to call for me.

[Kal-El]

i think we should just ban alcohol out right. i think it would work. lol.

ok i'm kidding but really though i'm not sure why everyone is so bent on protecting a freedom that ultimately just ends up getting people killed. that's really all alcohol does. but this is a tough one to call for me.

on the one hand i feel like as long as the government is allowing you to do it in your own home then what's the harm in taking it away everywhere else? except bars maybe. but on the other hand would that really do anything to curb drinking and driving or people becoming unruly at events that would normally serve alcohol. i'm sure people would just get extremely lit at their houses first as a way to get around this and then go driving drunk to their event of choice. and if they don't kill someone along the way they'll show up and be that drunk jerk regardless.

idk. i definitely see where the OP is coming from but like i said it's a tough one to call for me.


Doesn't seem like you are aware of Prohibition and the problems it caused.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

It causes more problems to a society than having alcohol openly and legally available.


The key to preventing drunk driving is to increase the severity of punishment.

How often do you hear about people getting their 3rd, 4th, 5th, ect...drunk driving arrest/accident? All the time, right? How is it that they get that many chances to kill someone?

IMO, your FIRST offense should make your life suck for quite a while.
Jail for 3-6 months, no license for at least 2 years.

Your second offense should put you in jail for over 2 years, maybe 3. No license for 5-7 years.

Strike 3 should render you without a license for 10-15 years, including maybe 5 years in prison. Harsh, but well deserved for such stupidity and putting others lives at risk.

If these reasonable punishments were enacted, how many drunk drivers would you see? :wink:

[frownonfun]

well the prohibition comment was a joke. i'm aware of how terribly that went. therein lies the joke. which is why i laugh at the prohibition on other drugs. because we are repeating history having not learned the first time.

i don't know why i type more than one line on a forum because i think that's all people are willing to read.

[chrisj]

I am personally not against alcohol at all, but I have problems with the way alcohol is displayed in ads on TV all day long that children see, and in every sports arena in the country, which I don't think should even be legal. However, there would be no sports arenas or probably no sports themselves without beer. Beer rules. Period.

My point in the beginning was to emphasize how lopsided the laws are and how lopsided peoples' attitudes are toward 2 bad things...tobacco and alcohol. While tobacco may do damage to you long-term, alcohol (in the hands of idiots) can kill or hurt a busload of schoolchildren (as happened here in Kentucky a few years ago).

I don't have a problem with drinking. I drink myself. I just think it's stupid to try and rationalize and be in denial about all the beer ads that are splattered everywhere, making it seem like you can't be "cool" without it. The kids see it, but people would rather ban a video game that supposedly warps kids' minds instead of even taking a look at what beer ads might do. This whole country is in denial about lots of things, alcohol being only one.

[SailDesign]

<snip>

The key to preventing drunk driving is to increase the severity of punishment.

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And yet, even with the death penalty, people keep murdering people......

[Kal-El]

And yet, even with the death penalty, people keep murdering people......

Yup, unfortunately we will always have stupid people.

I think it comes down to most people believing that they will get away with the crime they are committing. And lets face it, we all get away with breaking petty everyday "crimes", whether that just means going 5 mph over the speed limit. If we lived under such a regime that would actually hook up our cars electronically to monitor speed, and if we passed the speed limit we'd get bills in the mail. Then I doubt many would speed at all.

If people believed that it was a 100% certainty that they'd get caught doing something illegal and have to face the penalty, then wow, we'd have a perfect society (assuming laws were legitimate). Unless the person felt so strongly about the crime that they felt it was worth spending the time in jail or even dying for.

[SailDesign]

If we lived under such a regime that would actually hook up our cars electronically to monitor speed, and if we passed the speed limit we'd get bills in the mail.

:biggrin:
Then all our cars would be linked together and we'd call it a "bus".
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[why?]

Doesn't seem like you are aware of Prohibition and the problems it caused.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

It causes more problems to a society than having alcohol openly and legally available.


The key to preventing drunk driving is to increase the severity of punishment.

How often do you hear about people getting their 3rd, 4th, 5th, ect...drunk driving arrest/accident? All the time, right? How is it that they get that many chances to kill someone?

IMO, your FIRST offense should make your life suck for quite a while.
Jail for 3-6 months, no license for at least 2 years.

Your second offense should put you in jail for over 2 years, maybe 3. No license for 5-7 years.

Strike 3 should render you without a license for 10-15 years, including maybe 5 years in prison. Harsh, but well deserved for such stupidity and putting others lives at risk.

If these reasonable punishments were enacted, how many drunk drivers would you see? :wink:

Actually the only thing that would stop it is if the first offense you had your drivers license removed forever. Then anyone who did it once would not be able to do it again, and therefor would be off the road. The majority of dd are repeat offenders.
I am personally not against alcohol at all, but I have problems with the way alcohol is displayed in ads on TV all day long that children see, and in every sports arena in the country, which I don't think should even be legal. However, there would be no sports arenas or probably no sports themselves without beer. Beer rules. Period.

My point in the beginning was to emphasize how lopsided the laws are and how lopsided peoples' attitudes are toward 2 bad things...tobacco and alcohol. While tobacco may do damage to you long-term, alcohol (in the hands of idiots) can kill or hurt a busload of schoolchildren (as happened here in Kentucky a few years ago).

I don't have a problem with drinking. I drink myself. I just think it's stupid to try and rationalize and be in denial about all the beer ads that are splattered everywhere, making it seem like you can't be "cool" without it. The kids see it, but people would rather ban a video game that supposedly warps kids' minds instead of even taking a look at what beer ads might do. This whole country is in denial about lots of things, alcohol being only one.

There are a lot of stupid laws that we need to get rid off. Adding new stupid laws is not the solution.
And yet, even with the death penalty, people keep murdering people......

Enforcement is needed here.Change the laws so they can only appeal once, and they must be put to death when convicted, not left alive 30 years. And jail needs to be made like it use to be, old school chain gains and hell on earth, not the cushy country club it is now. Prisoners have no rights, they should be treated like the slaves they are. Hard manual labor and being forced to do something at least to improve society.

[frownonfun]

i don't think you sway people to not do things with stiffer punishments. you do it through education and awareness. an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. this also goes hand in hand with not glorifying beer on tv like ChrisJ is saying. you have to change people's attitudes on a larger scale about what is acceptable behavior and what is not. harsher punishments doesn't do anything imo.

and to think for a moment that taking someone's drivers license away will keep them off the road is just down right silly.

and chris i know exactly what you are saying about laws being bass-ackwards. it's like the seat belt law in texas that i guess is meant to save people's lives but yet driving a motorcycle without a helmet is perfectly legal. so i can get a ticket for not buckling my seat belt to go a block but can ride across the state without a helmet without issue. tell me how that's consistent?

[sickpuppy1]

And people without licenses drive every day. I got hit by an 85 year old man several years ago who's drivers licenses had expired 4 years prior, and he'd had 3 wrecks since! Thank god he still had insurance though,lol. He was driving the wrong way on interstate 70 in MO and right as I crested a hill, there he was! I swerved but we still hit headlight to headlight at 70MPH. Spun around twice and the dog who was laying by the back of the little datsun 210 came thru the front seats and bounced off the dash! He was OK though. I was pissed!!!!!!

[.Kevin.]

Well, I'm glad the forefathers of America had the backbone not to lie down on their flanks with their tails tucked...guess the grit they showed then keeps us from giving our "pledge to the Queen" today. And I've also had a dealing or two...once when I was trying to get into Canada, to spend those nasty American tourist $$, the gentleman informed me that I'd have to pay to get in, and when I asked what the "fine" would be, he asked "How much money do you have?" ...wrong answer :laugh:

United States was never able to Convert/Conquer Canada and Canada won one war.

Also - not protecting Canada or anything here seeing as I'm from Spain. But guess what - Spain was led by kings etc and we owned the world basically at one point.

Another arguement that doesnt make sense.

Inb4 - That was then this is now.

[1stToyota]

United States was never able to Convert/Conquer Canada and Canada won one war.

Also - not protecting Canada or anything here seeing as I'm from Spain. But guess what - Spain was led by kings etc and we owned the world basically at one point.

Another arguement that doesnt make sense.

Inb4 - That was then this is now.

:rolleyes:

Not sure what the ancient history lesson of Spain's defeat had to do with Canada bending knee to England's queen today, unless it's tied to Spain's defeat at the hands of the English fleet centuries ago :iono::wink:

[chrisj]

Wow, this topic turned somehow into US vs. Canada! I will say that I like Canada. Does that help? :)

[.Kevin.]

:rolleyes:

Not sure what the ancient history lesson of Spain's defeat had to do with Canada bending knee to England's queen today, unless it's tied to Spain's defeat at the hands of the English fleet centuries ago :iono::wink:

Lol, Spains defeat. Thats why our religion and language still is influenced, and we still have gold etc that we got from years ago.

America doesn't even have it's name anymore, the forefathers were badasses. Now the one protecting its name are just jibber jabber.

Btw we defeated their navy, which is why we broke free of them and started conquering, Persians invaded Spain England helped Spain get them out - once cleansed noble blood marriages were made to try and form peace, Spain was unreliable allies because we didn't like England it was using eachother and getting along both ways, then Spain beat them.

I like how youre turning two superior countries in comparison as if you know I proved you wrong.

Tough luck.

EDIT:

You didn't even understand the initial point of what I said forget my arguement.

[TLyttle]

1st Toyota's experiences at the Canada border are not unique, the US border guards also have way too much power, and use it whimsically. Both scenarios are wrong.

As far as "lying down with our tails tucked" is concerned, good luck with that one the next time the IRS comes for an audit; they NEVER leave without a large part of your soul. We are taught from an early age a few basic principles: killing people is wrong, and the government is civil. Sure, we have the usual number of tax cheats, but they are universally vilified, and our taxmen don't have the power that IRS people have (much as they would LIKE to!). We dumped the barbaric death penalty thing decades ago, as it doesn't work, period. Our "bended knee" to the Queen is justified: we get along with the Brits, and enjoy the pomp and tradition of such a relationship, something that is reserved for carpetbaggers and their descendants in the US. We are not as oppressed as you would believe.

And yes, we are proud of our social conscience. We see no reason for people to die in the streets for lack of a simple survival program, or basic health care. I would ask the reverse: you are proud of allowing people to die so that some billionaire doesn't have to part with money that he is unable to spend in his lifetime? If you see that as an advantage, then I do feel sorry for you...

[1stToyota]

Lol, Spains defeat. Thats why our religion and language still is influenced, and we still have gold etc that we got from years ago.

America doesn't even have it's name anymore, the forefathers were badasses. Now the one protecting its name are just jibber jabber.

Btw we defeated their navy, which is why we broke free of them and started conquering, Persians invaded Spain England helped Spain get them out - once cleansed noble blood marriages were made to try and form peace, Spain was unreliable allies because we didn't like England it was using eachother and getting along both ways, then Spain beat them.

I like how youre turning two superior countries in comparison as if you know I proved you wrong.

Tough luck.

EDIT:

You didn't even understand the initial point of what I said forget my arguement.

lol. I'm sure Napoleon and Theodore Roosevelt was real impressed with Spain's badassness.


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I could say the same.

[1stToyota]

1st Toyota's experiences at the Canada border are not unique, the US border guards also have way too much power, and use it whimsically. Both scenarios are wrong.

As far as "lying down with our tails tucked" is concerned, good luck with that one the next time the IRS comes for an audit; they NEVER leave without a large part of your soul. We are taught from an early age a few basic principles: killing people is wrong, and the government is civil. Sure, we have the usual number of tax cheats, but they are universally vilified, and our taxmen don't have the power that IRS people have (much as they would LIKE to!). We dumped the barbaric death penalty thing decades ago, as it doesn't work, period. Our "bended knee" to the Queen is justified: we get along with the Brits, and enjoy the pomp and tradition of such a relationship, something that is reserved for carpetbaggers and their descendants in the US. We are not as oppressed as you would believe.

And yes, we are proud of our social conscience. We see no reason for people to die in the streets for lack of a simple survival program, or basic health care. I would ask the reverse: you are proud of allowing people to die so that some billionaire doesn't have to part with money that he is unable to spend in his lifetime? If you see that as an advantage, then I do feel sorry for you...

The sleeper cells in Canada must feel right at home. :rolleyes:

btw, I'm fine with the IRS. Just sold my home and the realtor fee was 3x what the IRS asked for when I sold the business for 3x what the home brought. :)

[why?]

Wow, this thread just proves how completely lacking in understanding Canadians really are.

So you guys think the government is the only thing that can do anything, so that must mean all Canadians are pretty helpless.

Most Americans think the opposite, individuals can do anything, government will screw everything up every chance they get.

If someone cannot take care of themselves why should they even be allowed to live, never mind having the government steal other people's money to support them. Last time I checked, there were thousands of charities willing to help with donated money, not stolen money. That sounds better to me.

[SailDesign]

‎"For those who understand, no explanation is needed.For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible."

[.Kevin.]

Can't nail in these guys heads.

Btw Napoleon wasn't French in the first place, he came from an African island I believe and was then conquered by the French leading it's people to be colonized as French.

And lol USA didn't have the balls to get into World War at first, btw Spain was going to be in the war aswell til they realized Germany wass retarded at the time being if you're trying to imply MURRICANS AIN SCURR.

You guys are basically trying to prove you're men with the whole 'we protect ourselves' crap. Prove the stereotype more, thats why your countries jobless and asking the government for help because obviously you guys can take care of yourselfs.

so much fail. I giveu p lol.

btw the initial point was USA apparently badass couldn't conquer the biggest pussies being Canada if they even tried. And Spain apparently ruling the world- I was implying countries who give a knee to a Royal do get somewhere.

I haven't seen USA do anything except stick their nose in other countries poopshutes.

Personally I don't even like the queen, we arent looking at direct points here just barely outside of the box the ideas revolving around the point.

You guys be trollin'. Because no one said directly that the USA is crap just pin pointing its faults that you guys deny while shitting on a whole country.

[Tamago]

The problem with drinking in public places a lot of the time has to do with Joe Jerkoff who has one too many Bud Lights and decides to let the asshole side of himself come out. You know, those loud people who you'd just like to punch out. Around the world, drinking at sporting events has caused riots and other violence, and yet it's not banned.



you're an idiot..