Found : head gasket oil leak on 2 used 2010 YARIS ...

[Hershey]

at TOYOTA dealer lot . Both had less than 5,000 miles . They sold another used 2010 with low mileage and was being picked up by the new owners as we looked at these . Hopefully that didn't have the oil leak as those 2010s , our 2 YARIS ( 2008 sedan and 2010 3 door ) , and a friends 2010 3 door .

[Hershey]

The 2010s ( including ours ) with the oil leak were manufactured between AUGUST > OCTOBER of 2009 .

[jaime]

My 2010 LB was made in April 2010 (it says 4/10 on the door sticker). I havent checked, but could mine also have this problem?

[Hershey]

Yes , it's possible . We just had the head gasket of our 2008 sedan replaced under warranty and no longer leaks oil . Our 2010 still leaks oil from the head gasket , plan to take that in for replacement under the warranty . Could include 2007 > 2010 . 2011 ? . We've notified TOYOTA of JAPAN and corporate offices here ( U.S. ) of the issue and haven't heard a word as of yet .

[krolos]

:at TOYOTA dealer lot . Both had less than 5,000 miles . They sold another used 2010 with low mileage and was being picked up by the new owners as we looked at these . Hopefully that didn't have the oil leak as those 2010s , our 2 YARIS ( 2008 sedan and 2010 3 door ) , and a friends 2010 3 door .

you are now going around to the dealers
checking other yaris for oil leaks and you find some
with same problem, wow I dont know what to believe:confused:
You must have the Lemon curse really bad:frown:

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

i call :bs: until this guy posts up some pictures in a toyota dealer's lot with said leaks....

[krolos]

This was Probably the Reason for the:bs: claim. http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2010/autos/1010/gallery.consumer_reports_most_reliable/2.html

[yaris-me]

I don't think it's a head gasket leak. What you're seeing is probably a valve cover leak. That is a big difference.

A head gasket leak would cause a massive recall by Toyota. A valve cover leak is solved most of the time by tightening the hold down screw or bolt.

You should confirm a head gasket leak with some kind of proof.

[Hershey]

It's no B.S. :bs: . They took one of the YARIS into the shop and will be monitoring the leak by driving both for a period of time for oil to build up . This is the same dealership that replaced the head gasket of the 2008 sedan and where we purchased the 2010 3 door ( oil leaking from the head gasket ) . I know where to look for a leaking valve cover , have over 20 years of experience with cars . You'll have to take our word for it . :rolleyes:

[why?]

ehh, you've been so negative for so long i highly doubt anyone will believe you until we see a recall notice from toyota.

[Hershey]

That's fine . Take it or leave it .

[1stToyota]

That's fine . Take it or leave it .

Guess you can issue a told you so if you end up being about a year or two ahead of Toyota and the rest of us on this. :cool:

[yaris-me]

It's no B.S. :bs: . They took one of the YARIS into the shop and will be monitoring the leak by driving both for a period of time for oil to build up . This is the same dealership that replaced the head gasket of the 2008 sedan and where we purchased the 2010 3 door ( oil leaking from the head gasket ) . I know where to look for a leaking valve cover , have over 20 years of experience with cars . You'll have to take our word for it . :rolleyes:

I'm willing to bet that you don't know what you're talking about.
You need to confirm a head gasket leak with some kind of proof.

[Hershey]

Say what you will , but won't change a thing . :wink:

[RemieGino14]

Say what you will , but won't change a thing . :wink:

I think he was talking about pictures, maybe even a statistic printout? I don't know, I'm still going to school for this right now...

- RemieGino14 -

[Hershey]

There are plenty of pictures of our 2008 and 2010 YARIS showing the extent of the leak and its location in the DO IT YOURSELF room .

[Hershey]

Here's the actual worksheet from the Toyo service center showing the head gasket replacement on the 2008 sedan. There has been NO leak since the fix.

[Hershey]

The 2010 3 door that has the same oil leak as the sedan had is to be repaired in the near future. When the job is done, we'll post the worksheet for that as well.

[DebbyM46227]

The 2010s ( including ours ) with the oil leak were manufactured between AUGUST > OCTOBER of 2009 .

Geez.....I just checked mine and it was manufactured October 2009. I have 2700 miles on it - will this show up underneath on the ground?...right now I see nothing on the cement where my car is always parked.

Being a female, I'm not much in the mood for crawling underneath my car.

[2007yariz]

I check my oil about every 3 weeks, and my oil level is always been dead on F. BTW i just checked it today, it's on F.

You don't have to crawl under a car:)

[DebbyM46227]

Well, yes, I check my oil and it's not down any at all, but I was wondering if it would show up as a drip on the pavement if it had that head gasket leak.

[JBougie]

My 2010s birthday was 06/2010 - so it's a super new baby, thankfully I have no leaks at all anywhere and I have almost 9k miles on my car already (I drove to/from Minnesota/Tennessee a lot in the last few months....)

If this is true - why would Toyota not be noticing it? What dealership did you find these at? You should let everyone know so if they, or someone they know live in the area they make sure and check that!

[Hershey]

Well, yes, I check my oil and it's not down any at all, but I was wondering if it would show up as a drip on the pavement if it had that head gasket leak. It's possible . This is what I found when I decided to check for any possible oil leak during an oil change on our 2008 sedan . The oil had reached all the way to the top of the oil pan that's connected to the block . When discovering the leak I immediately put the 2010 3 door on ramps and found the same . You'll notice the similarity of the two ( top pic is 2008 , 2010 3 door is below ) . The 2008 no longer leaks oil since the installment of a new head cylinder gasket . I check on it every week .

[Hershey]

" If this is true - why would Toyota not be noticing it? "

What more proof do you need ? :rolleyes: . We notified TOYOTA of JAPAN and the corporate offices here as well . The head gasket takes around 9 hours to replace . Can you imagine how backed up the dealer service centers would be across the U.S..

[Hershey]

Forgot to mention I showed the oil that gathered on my fingertips from the exposed part of the head cylinder gasket of both used 2010 5 door YARII to the sales people and the service manager . What they do with these cars after we leave is beyond our control . The top picture shows where the exposed part of the head gasket is hidden beneath the upper head of the engine ( area circled in RED , BLUE points to it ) . The picture below that shows the head gasket itself ( circled in RED ) where the oil leaks from . You'll need to stand in the front of the car to the leftside of the engine and reach over and behind the engine and feel for the cavity where the gasket is and then run a finger(s) ( index or middle finger or both ) along the gasket to gather any oil . If oil is found on your finger(s) you may have the oil leak as ours . If so , thoroughly clean the area and the gasket itself ( I use paper towels and windex ) and recheck for fresh oil in about 150 plus miles . Then repeat several more times . Is a nuisance , but it's the best way to get results . Last , make sure the engine is cool before checking for the leak otherwise you could get burnt from the heat of the engine , exhaust manifold , heat shield , etc.. GOOD LUCK .

[yaris-me]

You don't have a leaking head gasket. You had a leaking valve cover or something that leaked oil. If you had a leaking head gasket you would have major problems. Your dealer just charged Toyota Corp for replacing a head gasket under warranty after tightening your valve cover.:laugh:

[Hershey]

You don't have a leaking head gasket. You had a leaking valve cover or something that leaked oil. If you had a leaking head gasket you would have major problems. Your dealer just charged Toyota Corp for replacing a head gasket under warranty after tightening your valve cover.:laugh: :rolleyes: .

[DebbyM46227]

You don't have a leaking head gasket. You had a leaking valve cover or something that leaked oil. If you had a leaking head gasket you would have major problems. Your dealer just charged Toyota Corp for replacing a head gasket under warranty after tightening your valve cover.:laugh:

I don't think Toyota would have gone to the expense of replacing his head gasket if it truly wasn't THAT.

Hershey, on the last 2 pics you posted: are these pictures looking from the top of the engine or from underneath? Is it underneath that large black plastic piece that says VVT-I? Sorry, but since I don't work on my car myself, the pictures are so large it's kind of hard to figure out where it's at.

And I'm blonde and female. :biggrin:

[billfires]

Hershey, I want to say thank you for the time and effort you have put in on this. I bought a new 2010 LB in Sept and will check for this problem. Thanks, Bill C

[yaris-me]

I don't think Toyota would have gone to the expense of replacing his head gasket if it truly wasn't THAT.

Hershey, on the last 2 pics you posted: are these pictures looking from the top of the engine or from underneath? Is it underneath that large black plastic piece that says VVT-I? Sorry, but since I don't work on my car myself, the pictures are so large it's kind of hard to figure out where it's at.

And I'm blonde and female. :biggrin:

Since the dealer can't charge you for warranty work, that expense gets charged to Toyota Corp. Unscrupulous dealers can make a lot of money charging Toyota Corp for warranty work that's not done.

The best way to look for leaking oil is to clean the engine. Then leaking oil can be spotted. The other way is to add a dye to the oil, then any leaks will be seen with the dyed oil.

Don't worry about a leaking head gasket. The symptoms will be worst than leaking oil. You will definitely know that something is wrong. The signs are unmistakable and the damage is more than replacing a gasket.

[Hershey]

DebbyM46227 , both pictures were taken from under the car looking up . YARIS-ME , I always make sure the cars being inspected for the leak haven't had any oil spilled during oil change ( top and back of valve cover and engine ) and all other areas . As for ours and our friends YARIS , I clean the engine from top to bottom . Then reclean if needed after rechecking . I've been working with cars for over 20 years and learned things from past and present experiences .

[DebbyM46227]

Thanks, Hershey.

Up until now, I always thought a bad head gasket involved the anti-freeze gushing out of it. Which happened on my old Cavalier which I had fixed (I know, stupid!) and then eventually traded it in on my Yaris this past June.

[Hershey]

There could be a slow internal coolant leak along wth the external oil leak of the #1 cylinder due to the head cylinder gasket . Go to this thread for info , www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29511 . May want to view all 4 pages . Especially this post , www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=496511&postcount=43 . I believe this is a 2007 YARIS .

[Hershey]

" Hershey, on the last 2 pics you posted: are these pictures looking from the top of the engine or from underneath? "

The 1st pictuces posted are from under the car looking up . The last 2 pics are taken from the left upper / middle backside of the engine by standing on the front left side of the car . Used a mirror to view it and take pics . Sorry , about that .

[Hershey]

Just checked our 2010 3 door for the leak and more oil had gathered on my finger tips from the gasket :frown: . Recleaned the area with paper towels and windex for next physical exam . I also looked at the rest of the engine and it's clean as it can be . :wink:

[Hershey]

I found another 2008 3 door with the same leak at a private dealer . The YARIS was originally a rental at a TOYOTA dealer . The car has 47,000 plus miles . The salesman let me look at the car and I then showed him the oil and oil residue that had gathered on the head cylinder gasket . We had the sedan and told him of the head gasket being replaced under warranty . I then showed him where and how to find the leak . Took him a few tries , but he finally got the oil and residue on his fingers . Said he would show and tell their mechanics of the oil leak and possibly get the H.C.G. replaced under the TOYOTA warranty . I'll be stopping by on occasion to see how they make out with it . Not all that far away .

[Twistoffate0817]

Oh no, is this looking like an all yaris problem? Do you think toyota will recall because of this?

[Hershey]

We're trying to get TOYOTA to take notice . They're not all that cooperative . Time will tell .

[Hershey]

That's 9 YARIS so far . That includes our 2008 sedan ( now fixed ) and 2010 3 door ( still leaks ) plus our friends 2010 3 door that still leaks . It's been 5 2008s and 4 2010s with mileage from 3,000 > 48,000 miles on the odometer . We plan to check on others as they pop up on dealer lots . Haven't had the chance to check out any 2007s or 2009s .

[1stToyota]

That's 9 YARIS so far . That includes our 2008 sedan ( now fixed ) and 2010 3 door ( still leaks ) plus our friends 2010 3 door that still leaks . It's been 5 2008s and 4 2010s with mileage from 3,000 > 48,000 miles on the odometer . We plan to check on others as they pop up on dealer lots . Haven't had the chance to check out any 2007s or 2009s .

:thumbsup: on the research skillz, but it sounds like lots of trouble...I think I'd just buy a different car :wink:

[Hershey]

No biggie , these cars are usually on our way to shop or just going out for a cruise ( 38+ m.p.g. ). Would consider a new YARIS , but not until this issue is addressed by the highest levels in JAPAN and here .

[Hershey]

We were going to trade in our 2010 3 door with the oil leak in for the 2010 5 door with 3,500 mis. and the CERTIFIED 7 year / 100,000 mile warranty along with the 2.9% financing for 5 years through TOYOTA , but when I discovered the same oil leak for the 5 door it put an end to that . Why buy another 2010 with the same oil leak that would need to go under the wrench . Might as well keep our 2010 and get that fixed under warranty . Plus we're nearly over with the loan with our 2010 . We're trying to get TOYOTA to give us the 7 year / 100,000 mile warranty for the 2008 and 2010 for free after both head cylinder gaskets are replaced . So far , no luck .

[krusty]

I think you people are being too overly critical of the products Toyota is putting out. If all cars are supposed to be perfect they wouldn't come with a warranty. Anything mass produced can have flaws and all auto manufactures have the same sorts of problems. Toyota does a better job then most auto manufactures at addressing imperfections in there products.

[krolos]

I found another 2008 3 door with the same leak at a private dealer . The YARIS was originally a rental at a TOYOTA dealer . The car has 47,000 plus miles . The salesman let me look at the car and I then showed him the oil and oil residue that had gathered on the head cylinder gasket . We had the sedan and told him of the head gasket being replaced under warranty . I then showed him where and how to find the leak . Took him a few tries , but he finally got the oil and residue on his fingers . Said he would show and tell their mechanics of the oil leak and possibly get the H.C.G. replaced under the TOYOTA warranty . I'll be stopping by on occasion to see how they make out with it . Not all that far away .

You come up with some hard proof that all these cars at the dealer lots
got oil leaks that will be one thing, until then I think this is nothing but
:bs: stories your are posting, anyone else on here dont believe this :bs:.

[sickpuppy1]

No, I dont think its BS at all. I could see a gasket mfg having a process of cutting gaskets and then an arm/pincher picks up the gasket by the corner and puts it onto a spindle or rack and when it does so it pinches the corner of the gasket. Now that spot is a couple of mm thinner than the rest. Ya know, just some simple mechanical process that has made a fault somewhere and now the gasket seeps. I guess my thoughts are, how much does it leak and will it get worse? And of course how much does it bug ya? I guess on cars this new it should not happen, but on cars that are older I almost expect it.

[Hershey]

What more proof do you need ? We've posted pictures of the leak and the worksheet from the dealership that shows the replacement of the head gasket . When we decide to get the 2010 head cylinder gasket replaced we'll post the worksheet for that . Take it or leave it .

[Hershey]

37919 Here's the pics AGAIN :rolleyes: . The top is the 2008 sedan when I found the oil on 3/18/2010 with 17,893 miles and below is the 2010 3 door with 3,567 miles found the same day . This means the oil was leaking long before I discovered it . Oil ran all the way down the back of the block to the top of the oil pan of the 2008 . The 2010 didn't reach that far , but close . The other pic below is of the exposed part of the head cylinder gasket of the #1 cylinder of where the oil leaks from and under that is a picture of what it can most likely lead to at 102,000 miles when your WARRANTY has runout . The area CIRCLED in RED is where the oil leaks from the gasket . Your car , your call .

[yaris2010RS]

so i finally checked mine, i have over 30,000km on my 2010 and no oil leak, i took the engine cover right off and felt all around and used a mirror and my engie is clean! thank God, lol. that being said my car was built 11/09 and the vin starts with JDT (meaning built in japan) i believe this issue could exsist but that shows north americans shotty worksnamship.

[Hershey]

Ours were built in JAPAN . Why remove the engine cover , no need for that . You may be looking in the wrong spot . It's not the valve cover gasket , it's the head cylinder gasket that's further down . Hopefully I'm wrong about your car .

[Flipper_1938]

!

[Hershey]

There are no oil leaks from our valve covers . I've inspected those very thoroughly on many occasions .

[Hershey]

Yes , all 1.5 ltr. YARIS are made in JAPAN for NORTH AMERICA .

[Hershey]

We just filed complaints for the YARIS 2008 sedan and 2010 3 door with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration ( N.H.T.S.A. ) in the Office of Defects Investigation division .

[Hershey]

Earlier we had to take the 2008 to a different TOYOTA service center due to the faulty door switches for the front and rear passenger doors that work with the dome light that were sticking not allowing the dome light to come on , the rough idle since new , and headlight adjustment for the drivers side . They removed the switches from a used 2008 or a new 2010 YARIS and installed them in ours since they had none in stock in the parts department . The dome light now comes on . As for the idle they removed the spark plugs to inspect them and showed them to us and were fine . So they reinstalled those and said the rough idle for a YARIS is normal . The car still idles rough when stopped . Then the same person a shop FOREMAN adjusted the driver passenger head light higher and now it's further out ahead of the passenger side headlight pattern of light . I may readjust it myself against a wall . While waiting for this we had a salesman show us a used 2008 YARIS 3 door with 41,000 plus miles so I could see if that had the oil and residue where the oil leaks from the #1 head cylinder gasket . Sure enough there it was ( checked for any spilled oil / leaking oil on/from valve cover and was clean ) . I showed the salesman the oil and oil residue that had gathered on the tip of my fingers with 3 tries and explained to him of our head gasket for our 2008 sedan being replaced under warranty due to the oil leak and that car was in their shop for some other warranty work . Then we went inside with him and told our finding to the Head Assistant of sales and said she'd have it brought into the shop , which they never did . Then when we got our car back we showed pictures of the leak and where the oil leaks from the head cylinder gasket to the FOREMAN that worked on the car and told him of our 2010 and their used 2008 3 door on their lot with the same leak and that he may want to take a look at the 3 door . He had no reply on that and said would need to see our 2010 and check for the leak himself to possibly get it repaired in his shop under warranty . He also stated that we could show him all the pictures we had but wouldn't get enough proof . The service center writer was a bit rude and said he would not be able to give us the paperwork at that time and would mail it to us . All this is being followed by CUSTOMER RELATIONS in California , which has been rather worthless . Therefore , we're not sure if we want to take the 2010 3 door to this TOYOTA service center to get the head cylinder gasker replaced under warranty . Feel for whoever buys that used 2008 3 door Yaris with the oil leak .

[bronsin]

Before you panic and check your DOM sticker these "leaks" do not look serious to me at all. If the engine was using a quart of oil every 500 miles and there was a lot of oil on a piece of cardboard placed under the engine then you got a problem. Is your car using a quart of oil every 500 miles?

[Hershey]

Your car , your call . See pics . Leak has stopped on our '08 after fix . Nothing more to prove .

[yaris2010RS]

LOL, THIS IS REALLY WORRYING! lol, i have checked about 7 yaris's the way i checked mine and no leak...... im wondering if im checking the right area or if its an issolated area with the issue..... or bs.....but i doubt it

[Hershey]

No B.S. :bs: . Wouldn't have forwarded it to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and TOYOTA ( Japan ) if not true . Including the findings with our friends 2010 YARIS , the two CERTIFIED 2010 5 door , and other used YARIS . You've seen the worksheet from TOYO service center , what more PROOF do you need ? :rolleyes: . We've made up our minds , no more posts on this matter . :wink:

[yaris2010RS]

no i do believe u and if its as wide spread as u make it sound everyone should be checking. like i said before i dont even know where to check exactly and i figured after checking 7 yarii plus my own i would have found at least one......

from standing infront of the car, with my left hand reached behind the engine and felt the entire back end of the engine from valve cover to exhaust (make sure u do this check when engine is cold) and i could not find anything...... my hand came out dry and super clean.... i figured i would emerge with atleast dirt on my hand. was this the right location?

[Hershey]

Look at the pictures from post # 25 . Stand to the side of the passenger side fender and look down to the back of the engine and you'll notice the large ledge / lip that's part of the lower engine block ( top pic ) . Above the ledge / lip there's an area that goes inward under the engine head ( circled in RED with BLUE arrow ) like that of a cave . In the back of the cave on the top you'll find the BLACK exposed part of the head cylinder gasket about 3 > 4 inches long ( bottom pic circled in RED ) and that will feel smooth to the touch with the tip of your finger(s) ( when clean ). This is where the oil leaks from under the head cylinder gasket of the #1 cylinder . If there's any black oily residue on your fingertip(s) you may have the leak . To get best results you'll need to thoroughly clean all oil / oil residue off of the exposed gasket and the surrounding area . Paper towels and windex work well . Then after driving 150+ miles recheck for fresh oil on the exposed part of gasket with fingertip(s) , if fresh oil , then welcome to the club :biggrin: . Repeat if needed to verify ( or more and ... ) . That's the best I can explain it . A royal pain in the :moon: to describe in words or show in person . Maybe for some reason CANADIAN cars are excluded . If so , lucky you . We've taken a lot of :bs: on this matter . A good flashlight or plenty of sunshine or both come in handy . Mirror as well . Good Luck .

[Flipper_1938]

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[bronsin]

Your car , your call . See pics . Leak has stopped on our '08 after fix . Nothing more to prove .

Please answer the question. Does your car use a quart of oil every 500 miles?

[Hershey]

No new car with 3,000 miles should have a oil leak from the head gasket . 2008 did , now it no longer does . Not answering your question for that reason . Like I said . Do as you do , we'll do as we do .

[yaris2010RS]

No new car with 3,000 miles should have a oil leak from the head gasket . 2008 did , now it no longer does . Not answering your question for that reason . Like I said . Do as you do , we'll do as we do .

i completly agree with this, no car should ever leak oil. if it does it should be fixed not only for the environment but the car itself. even a small leak is a sign of a big issue starting.


I'd rather live with a couple of drops than have the local dealer tech tear my motor apart.....and really screw something up.

i disagree with this! id much rather get it fixed now under warranty then later on down the road out of my own pocket and possibally with more damage done (running out of oil or gas and coolant mixing)

y live with an issue when it can be fixed and one less thing to worry about.

personally i say thank you to hershey for bringing this to the attention of yarisworld

[bronsin]

No new car with 3,000 miles should have a oil leak from the head gasket . 2008 did , now it no longer does . Not answering your question for that reason . Like I said . Do as you do , we'll do as we do .

Sincee you will not answer the question I can only conclude you have something to hide, consciously or unconsciously. This is not a serious problem if it does not lead to excessive oil consumption. You are upsetting people who know no better. Im my opinion you should not be allowed to do that.

[Hershey]

Sincee you will not answer the question I can only conclude you have something to hide, consciously or unconsciously. This is not a serious problem if it does not lead to excessive oil consumption. You are upsetting people who know no better. Im my opinion you should not be allowed to do that. Take a look at the worksheet . That says it all . Don't a give a rats:moon: if it a looses a few ounces or a quart at whatever miles . No NEW car should have an oil leak from the HEAD CYLINDER GASKET . We're not trying to scare people :evil: , only to let them know that it's possible they may have a leak and know what to expect if the issue may come their way . :rolleyes:

[bronsin]

An oil leak that doesnt change the oil level is not a problem.

[SimTronik]

The bad thing on a Forum is you don't know which ppl have some real good expertise and who's messing around with common people. I have a oil change tomorrow morning, guess they check for that anyways...

[Hershey]

No they won't , I found it for both cars when I decided to look for any leaks while doing an oil change . Most mechanics don't look for oil leaks when changing oil . Want to get it over with and move on to the next vehicle . Here AGAIN are the pics of the oil leak I found for both the 2008 ( top pic ) and 2010 ( below ) on the same day . The oil had ran all the way down to the lip of the oil pan for the 2008 when I discovered it . Below those is the REAL worksheet for the 2008 head cylinder gasket repair . Don't want to have our cars to possibly end up like this at 102,000 miles and out of WARRANTY ( pic below worksheet ) . DEJA VU . :rolleyes:

[auxmike]

I don't doubt Hershey.
I thought the whole waterpump leaking thing was kinda bogus or kids buying pulley sets and putting them too tight. Well, MY PUMP LEAKS TOO! After a whopping 30k miles, and that's the truth! my engine is bone stock too.
I've decided to replace it myself. I will take my time and do the job with LOVE....

[Hershey]

An oil leak that doesnt change the oil level is not a problem. Uh huh . We have nothing to hide or nothing more to say . Take it or leave it . :rolleyes:

[bronsin]

Was the compression tested and if so, what was it?

[krusty]

Hersey just a little FYI any good flat rate mechanic is definitely looking for any type of oil leak while doing just an oil change. Even more so if the car he/she is working on has warranty left that's how they make money its not just about being quick it about being a complete Technician.

[Hershey]

100% ? What's the percentage ? Has there been a poll ?

[yaris2010RS]

100% ? What's the percentage ? Has there been a poll ?

lol, i find it funny how the guy with the worst presented data and not really explored data is looking for widly explored and expertly presented data :p lol

in the morning i will look better at mine and thurs i have a scheduled check up from the dealer i will have them look at it also, so once and for all i can stop worrying about mine for now.

also for all the haters, hershey from the pics u showed of ur engine from below, to me it looked like a very serious leak as that was very fresh and a high amount of oil.

[1stToyota]

It seems like Hershey is sincere with his mission and has some proof to back it, but for some reason his methods create a lot of friction here and at the dealerships he visits, from what I've viewed.

[bronsin]

also for all the haters, hershey from the pics u showed of ur engine from below, to me it looked like a very serious leak as that was very fresh and a high amount of oil.

Thats what I tried to find out, was there a high loss of oil? :iono:Did he put a piece of cardboard under the engine to get an idea of exactly how much was leaking? :iono:I have worked as a car mechanic. Those pictures do not indicate a serious loss of oil. I also asked was there a loss of compression? :iono: He wont answer a few simple questions. Im not a hater. Im concerned he is upsetting a lot of people who dont know any better.

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It is what it is.

[yaris2010RS]

bronsin, personally i think its kinda fishy too, but at the same time people dont want to hear there is something wrong with the thing they love. i know people that will defend american cars to the end, saying changing all these parts and reparing all these things is jsut part of car ownership. i believe he had a head gasket leak but i dont think its as wide spread as he may hope for. personally i checked my car and i found nothing, it was dirtyer on that side of the engine but no oil. will i ask toyota to look at it? yes, am i concerned? not at all.

the drips on the bottom of the engine did look like a fairly high flow leak. could that have been there from something else? hell yeah but its for the person reading it to take it seriously or not

[1stToyota]

i checked my car and i found nothing, it was dirtyer on that side of the engine but no oil.

That's how mine was...a little bit of caked grime, but nothing that even resembles fresh looking oil so far, and I have over 30k miles on the car.

[Hershey]

We've done all there is to do . We will be getting the 2010 the same repair soon and won't be reporting back on that since it's all too fishy . I've been working with cars for over 30 years , guess my findings and posts are of no significance . No winning .

[Astroman]

At least it's an easy check. Both my 07 and 09 were fine. :thumbsup:

[Hershey]

Good to see your cars are fine . :thumbsup: . Wish we could say the same :thumbdown: .

[TXyaris]

at TOYOTA dealer lot . Both had less than 5,000 miles . They sold another used 2010 with low mileage and was being picked up by the new owners as we looked at these . Hopefully that didn't have the oil leak as those 2010s , our 2 YARIS ( 2008 sedan and 2010 3 door ) , and a friends 2010 3 door .

yuh, when i bought my '09 sedan the carfax said the dealership replaced the head gasket and i was wondering why... i guess now i know

[TXyaris]

An oil leak that doesnt change the oil level is not a problem.

uhhh. ur wrong

[Hershey]

That's how mine was...a little bit of caked grime, but nothing that even resembles fresh looking oil so far, and I have over 30k miles on the car. This is how our friends 2010 3 door YARIS was when I discovered it at 48,000+ miles . I then cleaned it very thoroughly with window cleaner and paper towels . Went back and found fresh oil . All this has been explained in previous posts . I went back about a month ago and his car had plenty of fresh oil again . He does not want anyone tearing his engine apart . He bought an extended warranty good until 125,000 miles . We've decided not to get the head gasket on our 2010 replaced . We'll monitor his car and see if he ever has to get his head gasket done . There is over 60,000 miles on his and should be over 100,000 in another year or less . Our 2010 still leaks fresh oil from the no.1 cylinder of the head gasket . You either believe it or not . It's no :bs: .

[Hershey]

yuh, when i bought my '09 sedan the carfax said the dealership replaced the head gasket and i was wondering why... i guess now i know That's stinks :thumbdown: . Not good to know that our 2008 sedan would show the head cylinder gasket repair if ever traded in . Would most likely hurt the trade in value or private sale . TOYOTA gave us a free 8 year /125,000 extended warranty for the 2008 that is transferable to a private buyer , not via a dealership . Thus the warranty wouldn't likely help to get rid of it with the head gasket issue hanging over its roof :frown: . We'll most likely not trade in the 2010 for another car because we don't want to pass on this issue onto another buyer who wouldn't be aware of the oil leak .

[slow.yaris]

This is how our friends 2010 3 door YARIS was when I discovered it at 48,000+ miles .

There is over 60,000 miles on his and should be over 100,000 in another year or less.

wow a head gasket leak that doesn't get ANY worse over 12,000 miles? amazing

all the people running turbos and superchargers on stock gasket have no leaks? amazing

searching the forums that thousands of yaris owners have posted on, no yaris except ones you have touched have had a gasket leak? amazing

(oh TXyaris, my bad, I'm sure some random person just signed in to substantiate your claim, only to never be seen on the forum again.. rofl)

Somehow I think your claims would be slightly more believable if you weren't pimping the new hyundai on a yaris forum at the same time you're talking about these leaks.

By the way did they teach you to spray windex and jam q-tips in the gasket at mechanics school?


EDIT: did toyota switch to a new head gasket for the yaris?? Don't you think if all these cars on lots you are checking all have leaks, SOMEONE would have noticed this is an issue over the decade+ the engine has been around???

[yaris2010RS]

wow a head gasket leak that doesn't get ANY worse over 12,000 miles? amazing

all the people running turbos and superchargers on stock gasket have no leaks? amazing

searching the forums that thousands of yaris owners have posted on, no yaris except ones you have touched have had a gasket leak? amazing

(oh TXyaris, my bad, I'm sure some random person just signed in to substantiate your claim, only to never be seen on the forum again.. rofl)

Somehow I think your claims would be slightly more believable if you weren't pimping the new hyundai on a yaris forum at the same time you're talking about these leaks.

By the way did they teach you to spray windex and jam q-tips in the gasket at mechanics school?


EDIT: did toyota switch to a new head gasket for the yaris?? Don't you think if all these cars on lots you are checking all have leaks, SOMEONE would have noticed this is an issue over the decade+ the engine has been around???

i love u...... lol, that could not have been said any better :clap::clap::clap:

[Happy Little Pony]

Since when does a head gasket replacement lower the resale value of a car?

A busted head gasket is not a good thing, but it's not the end of the world. I've replaced a head gasket on one car and completely replaced a cracked head on another. The work is a great way to blow an entire weekend, but once the problem is fixed, it isn't a problem anymore.

[Hershey]

Whatever .:biggrin:

[Hershey]

" By the way did they teach you to spray windex and jam q-tips in the gasket at mechanics school? "

Never used Q-tips . Window cleaner cuts through engine oil , grime quite well . Try it , you may be amazed .

[Hershey]

" i love u...... lol, that could not have been said any better :clap::clap::clap: "

:rolleyes:

[auxmike]

" By the way did they teach you to spray windex and jam q-tips in the gasket at mechanics school? "

Never used Q-tips . Window cleaner cuts through engine oil , grime quite well . Try it , you may be amazed .

I used brake parts cleaner spray with excellent results! Left that area bone dry...

[Hershey]

I used brake parts cleaner spray with excellent results! Left that area bone dry... That works fine , didn't have any . Seen your video . So , what's the story ? Leak , no leak ?

[Hershey]

" searching the forums that thousands of yaris owners have posted on, no yaris except ones you have touched have had a gasket leak? Amazing "

Have given plenty of proof . Take it or leave it .

" (oh TXyaris, my bad, I'm sure some random person just signed in to substantiate your claim, only to never be seen on the forum again.. rofl) "

Was posted yesterday . Hopefully not a prank .

" Somehow I think your claims would be slightly more believable if you weren't pimping the new hyundai on a yaris forum at the same time you're talking about these leaks. "

The new 2011 ELANTRA is good looking car , inside and out . Most likely we'll keep both YARIS .

EDIT: did toyota switch to a new head gasket for the yaris?? Don't you think if all these cars on lots you are checking all have leaks, SOMEONE would have noticed this is an issue over the decade+ the engine has been around???

Nope , hard to find , well hidden . Not all that noticeable .

Make all the accusations and wise cracks you want . Not goning to change a thing . :wink:

[auxmike]

Seems to be ok, not wet.
I check it about every 2 weeks or so...
I DO believe you though!:thumbsup:
I think all who are following this thread should check their cars and report back.

[Hershey]

Seems to be ok, not wet.
I check it about every 2 weeks or so...
I DO believe you though!:thumbsup:
I think all who are following this thread should check their cars and report back. Thanks , hope yours is fine . Sure taking a lot of crap for this . Not going anywhere . Will keep posting .

[Hershey]

We've been searching TOYOTA certified vehicles at TOYOTA website that gives you the history of the car . Including the repairs . No YARIS with head gasket replacement as of yet . Have found some with water pump replacement , electrical issues , and other problems / fixes . Probably won't find one with head gasket fix . A needle in the haystack .

[Vinceb]

There are plenty of pictures of our 2008 and 2010 YARIS showing the extent of the leak and its location in the DO IT YOURSELF room .

To be honest I didn't believe you at first, so I read through the whole thread and decided to take a look tonight. only looked at it from the passengers side and from the top. I do see oil residue there, looks like it's still liquid and not dried and caked up as of yet. will try to get under the car and have a better look in the day light and if I see anything i'll post a pic or 2.

if this is leaking and it's the head gasket as you say (I haven't noticed a loss of power or any other problems with driving/accelerating) I'm at 126,789km - long gone from warranty, but I've done every scheduled maintenance that Toyota had in their owners manual. never missed any of them, always within 100km of the required service - nobody ever mentioned it to me, and i've never noticed a puddle or that my oil was low. any chance you think they'd cover it if it needs to be done? I'll keep following this thread and let you know if I find anything new.

[Hershey]

Never noticed any loss of power for either . The leak for both cars most likely started from the day they were driven off the lots . Yesterday I checked the 2010 with the fingertips and found the oil again gathered under the ledge as pictured . Haven't been able to get under the car to see the extent of it thanks to all the snow . The 2008 hasn't leaked any oil since the installation of the new head cylinder gasket , but it may be losing anti-freeze . The resorvoir seems to be getting lower . I marked the level of it with a black SHARPIE magic marker a few days after getting it back ( sat overnight ) and have been monitoring it closely . If it hits the LOW mark on the resorvoir then it's a indicator of a problem with the repair . The resorvoir for 2008 never lost coolant before the fix , just the external oil leak . The 2010 still leaks oil , but no loss of coolant . It has over 15,000 miles . Keep us informed .

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

Lot of laughs reading Hershey's 'The Sky is Falling' posts about supposed Yaris
head gasket issues.

FACTS: none
HEARSAY: plenty

I am not saying Hershey didn't have his/her own HG problems, but
going to dealerships and looking at oil stains and saying 'this or that car
has HG problems' is not only an incorrect way to diagnose HG issues, but
it makes Hershey look like a clown.


You will absolutely find an oil stain in 'the location' on MOST Yaris because
that happens to be the common spillover point when adding new oil.

You can never claim HG problem unless you have direct knowledge of the
state of the gasket. This means one of four things when trying to detect
HG issues.

1) you put UV dye into the oil, run it for 1000 miles, then detect UV dye
on the outside of the motor

2) you test for gasses in the coolant

3) you test for coolant in the oil

4) you tear down the motor and observe the gasket interface

Now, Hershey, unless you are doing 1-4 above, not one of your posts about
head gasket leaks (except your own that were diagnosed by Toyota) have one
iota of merit.

Please stop posting about terrible things when you really have no facts.




This is my first and last post.

[Hershey]

Quite aware of head gasket problem and detection . I always check to make sure oil wasn't spilled during an oil change . Don't care what the sales people and / or service staff think as well . Will not stop posting on this matter . If you don't like it then leave it . Hopefully TOYOTA will have to come forward with this and have recalls . That way we could say " Told you so " . For your and others sake I hope not .

[Kaotic Lazagna]

At dingo, but Hershey did say he cleaned off the area and rechecked a couple of weeks later. I don't think he changed or added any oil to his car. Just saying.

[YarisDude]

Checked my 07 HB. It looks OK. Just dirty but no oil residue. I will keep an eye on it as if it leaks oil, there is a possibility of coolant finding its way in the the crank case or the cylinder. I have only 38K miles on the clock so the problem may forth coming.

Are there any statistics as to the frequency of this issue. Certainly Toyota is tracking this through repair records as this engine is used in many models across lots of years.

Thanks for the info.

[TXyaris]

wow a head gasket leak that doesn't get ANY worse over 12,000 miles? amazing

all the people running turbos and superchargers on stock gasket have no leaks? amazing

searching the forums that thousands of yaris owners have posted on, no yaris except ones you have touched have had a gasket leak? amazing

(oh TXyaris, my bad, I'm sure some random person just signed in to substantiate your claim, only to never be seen on the forum again.. rofl)

Somehow I think your claims would be slightly more believable if you weren't pimping the new hyundai on a yaris forum at the same time you're talking about these leaks.

By the way did they teach you to spray windex and jam q-tips in the gasket at mechanics school?


EDIT: did toyota switch to a new head gasket for the yaris?? Don't you think if all these cars on lots you are checking all have leaks, SOMEONE would have noticed this is an issue over the decade+ the engine has been around???

yeah well im new to Yarisworld and i really dont care if you think im Hershey.When I purchased my 09 yaris sedan the carfax said that the dealership had replaced the head gasket. Now i have no proof that it was because of an oil leak but I wouldn't doubt it with all the evidence... if you dont think so then thats nice... its not like he's fear mongering he's just trying to inform others. I appreciate it.

[Hershey]

" Checked my 07 HB. It looks OK. Just dirty but no oil residue. "

You may want to clean away the oil / dirt and check for fresh oil a week or so later . Hopefully your car is fine . Did find an '07 with the residue . This is how I found our friends 2010 with the black residue ( road dust mixed w/oil ) at 30,000+ miles . Cleaned it thoroughly and found fresh oil about a week later . Last time I checked was over a month ago and ended up with plenty of oil on my fingertips . He puts on about 1,000 mis. a week for his business . Looked at our 2010 few days ago and that is leaking fresh oil at 14,900 plus miles .

" Thanks for the info. "

Welcome .

[YAR1S]

lol this thread is a mess.

[Hershey]

Earlier today I put the 2010 YARIS 3 door on ramps to see if oil had gathered on the back of the engine and this is what I found ( circled in BLUE ) . Not all of the oil leaking from the #1 cylinder of the head cylinder gasket can be seen since it's fairly fresh ( clear , so doesn't show in pic ) from the oil change I did in NOVEMBER ( pic of miles on oil , Trip B : 2,764.3 mis. ) . There could have been more oil in the area pictured , but have cleaned it up a few times in between O.C. and now . No , I did not spill any oil while pouring it in . Use a funnel and pour it in very slowly . The car now has 15,034 miles ( pictured ) . Looks quite similar to the pic I previously posted awhile ago . Will let it go until oil change is due and see how much more collects . Then post pics of that .

[cali yaris]

This is my first and last post.

LOL. Ninja!

[Hershey]

Here's the EXTENDED WARRANTY we received from TOYOTA for the 2008 sedan that had the head cylinder gasket replaced under warranty . It came in the mail on CHRISTMAS EVE :biggrin: .

[yaris2010RS]

lol, hershey, when using paint to edit a pic, use a more defined blue, took me a second to find the oil.


i find it very odd how a leak that will actually drip wont change the oil level, this is y i keep thinking its spilt oil. and how u say u clean it ever 500 km or so and there is more there. to me that is a significant leak.

i am glad i personally lucked out and dont have a leak. when i checked i did have gunk but no oil and definatly no dripping underneath.

may i ask what region you are in? your avatar only says east. possibally different climate conditions causing this?

[Hershey]

Sorry you had to strain your eyes :rolleyes: . Next time use the ZOOM of your computer . Not providing you /others any personal info that find our posts amusing and make wise remarks ( harassment ) . :wink:

[SAV912]

Sorry you had to strain your eyes :rolleyes: . Next time use the ZOOM of your computer . Not providing you /others any personal info that find our posts amusing and make wise remarks ( harassment ) . :wink:

The guy's right. I'm on a 24 inch flatscreen and I had to zoom 10x to see any blue circle.

For the record my car is fine. Just as well, you've blown this thing up to sound like every other Yaris on the block is gushing oil like a blown BP rig, and yet every one of your pictures has you digging around the engine bay to find miniscule accumulations of oil. There is never a spot on the ground under my car. There's never been a spot anywhere under the hood. And there is never any Windex anywhere near my engine bay. I run full syn and have had zero problems. I just did 1700 miles in 5 days going from Savannah, GA to New York City and back. Guess what? Nothing. Guess I got lucky...and from the looks of it, nearly everyone else here did too. Surprise. :eek:

There is a huge difference between notifying the YarisWorld community of a finding, and jamming the information down people's throats and bitching when the community reacts in a different way from what you expected. Nobody likes being told they have faulty cars. People will appreciate a "heads up". Yes, you have good information. But you went a completely wrong route in presenting it. How many different sectors of the forum are your threads in? :rolleyes:

Glad you got your sedan fixed. But it is an isolated problem. Nine total Yarii out of hundreds of thousands built is not a widespread pandemic. It just isn't.

-SAV

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Sorry you had to strain your eyes :rolleyes: . Next time use the ZOOM of your computer . Not providing you /others any personal info that find our posts amusing and make wise remarks ( harassment ) . :wink:

Way to be an ass to the one person who hasn't attacked you in this thread.

I know it's been said and will probably be ignored again but here goes - that looks more like a valve cover leak. This isn't really a big deal compared to a head gasket leak...

[Hershey]

" Way to be an ass to the one person who hasn't attacked you in this thread. "

Wrong .

" I know it's been said and will probably be ignored again but here goes - that looks more like a valve cover leak. This isn't really a big deal compared to a head gasket leak... "

Wrong again .

[Hershey]

" The guy's right. I'm on a 24 inch flatscreen and I had to zoom 10x to see any blue circle. "

Sorry for the inconvenience . :rolleyes:

" For the record my car is fine. "

Good for you . :clap:

" Just as well , you've blown this thing up to sound like every Yaris on the block is gushing oil like a blown BP rig and yet every one of your pictures has you digging around the engine bay to find miniscule accumulations of oil "

No new car should be leaking oil from the head gasket . This is $28,000 invested in 2 cars with this problem . That cash might grow on tress for you , but not us .

There is a huge difference between notifying the YarisWorld community of a finding, and jamming the information down people's throats and bitching when the community reacts in a different way from what you expected. Nobody likes being told they have faulty cars. People will appreciate a "heads up". Yes, you have good information. But you went a completely wrong route in presenting it. " How many different sectors of the forum are your threads in? :rolleyes: . "

No law against it . Not jamming it down anyones throat . You either take it in stride or leave it .

" Glad you got your sedan fixed. But it is an isolated problem. Nine total Yarii out of hundreds of thousands built is not a widespread pandemic. It just isn't. "

Thanks , but it may be losing coolant since the repair . How can you be so sure about the amount of cars ?

[Focus_Sh1ft]

" Way to be an ass to the one person who hasn't attacked you in this thread. "

Wrong .

" I know it's been said and will probably be ignored again but here goes - that looks more like a valve cover leak. This isn't really a big deal compared to a head gasket leak... "

Wrong again .

Well you win that argument. I now see exactly how I was wrong with all the facts you just provided me with those two words. :rolleyes:

[Hershey]

Well you win that argument. I now see exactly how I was wrong with all the facts you just provided me with those two words. :rolleyes: :w00t:

[SAV912]

No new car should be leaking oil from the head gasket . This is $28,000 invested in 2 cars with this problem . That cash might grow on tress for you , but not us .

Thanks , but it may be losing coolant since the repair . How can you be so sure about the amount of cars ?

I agree. A new car should not have a head gasket leak. With that said, an '08 sedan likely manufactured in '07 is not a new car. Besides, this engine has been around in largely the same form in the USA since the '04 xA/xB. If it was truly a head gasket leak, there would've been some sort of notice within the last seven to eight years.

Like the other guy said, checking for two drops of oil on a certain side of the engine is not a proper identifier for diagnosing something as serious as a leaky head gasket. Do the proper tests, or have a mechanic do the proper tests and then come back and talk. A full UV leakdown examination or physically taking the heads off is much more thorough than wiping the side of the engine with a Windex rag and calling it done. Running around checking other Yarii that don't belong to you is asinine. You posted your findings for your car and that's great. We all have the info we need to decide if our cars are suffering the same problems as well, and can go from there.

BTW, you only compound the problem by saying you choose not to believe what a service mechanic or salesman (IE PEOPLE THAT HAVE FULL EXPERIENCE WITH THESE CARS) says when they report their findings to you. That's the way to go about reporting your findings on a forum. :rolleyes:

-SAV

[Hershey]

If that's what you believe then fine . It's not the valve cover gasket(s) , I always check that . Have been working with cars for about 30 years . We've posted the worksheet and many other pics for proof . We'll have to wait and see if TOYOTA has an T.S.B. or RECALL for this matter . We think it's a bad batch of head gaskets . Reason is the new head cylinder gasket has yet to leak oil . The service department that did the work sent the original head cylinder gasket to TOYOTA for examination of any imperfections . Called TOYOTA and was told they do not share their findings with the public ( consumer ) . Don't forget the two 2010 5 door Certified YARIS had fresh oil in that spot . One had little over 3,000 miles and the other less than 5,000 . Checked the valve cover and the upper back of the block ( passenger side ) for any oil spilled from an oil change(s) by dealer and none was to be found on top or on the back of the upper block ( passenger side ) of either one . So , you have your take and we have ours from our experience .

[yaris2010RS]

Way to be an ass to the one person who hasn't attacked you in this thread.


lol, thanks

[Hershey]

lol, thanks Way to go with the flow , Smoochie . :laughabove:

[gonzo452001]

My son took his 08 yaris in to get it checked for head gasket leak they said it wasn't leaking here are some pics I took what do you guys think.

[Hershey]

To us it looks wet as if to be loosing oil which collects road dust as in your pics . Run your fingertip under the head gasket to see if any oil collects on it . This is how I found our friends 2010 which leaks oil as our 2010 does and our 2008 did . Also look under the ledge of the block as in your picture to see if any oil has collected underneath . Like in the following pics from our 2 cars ( 08 at top , '10 below ). If you find any oil there you very likely have the leak .

[yaris2010RS]

gonzo, the first pic u posted i would say is just road and "car" grime that settles there and sticks(as hershey will not accept, some oil is spilt when filling; if not from u then at the dealer and if not them from the factory), the second pic does look like it could have a leak at the gasket, it does look quite oilly. id say take some degreaser and spreay the crap out of the area, make sure it really well cleaned and take a pic of the clean spot and then check back in a few hundred km (or miles)

u definatly get bonus points for getting ur camera in that spot, very well done.

hershey for the record ur pics look extra "staged" or "serious" now with his pics next to it. the pics u posted look to have very fresh oil and a significant amount.

[bronsin]

My son took his 08 yaris in to get it checked for head gasket leak they said it wasn't leaking here are some pics I took what do you guys think.

I do not see evidence of an oil leak that would cause me concern if it was my car. And I have worked as an auto mechanic! But the picture is beside the point. The only thing that matters is: are you adding significant ammounts of oil to the engine? If its using more than a quart of oil every 500-1000 miles there is a problem. Although for the record most automanufacturers consider a quart in 1000 miles to NOT be a warranty issue. If you think this might be a problem with your car I recommend placing a large sheet of cardboard under the engien at night. Check it for oil in the morning. A few drops of oil (like 5 or less) is not a cause for concern. Also with the engine running look under the car for oil dripping.

Not seeing oil drips with the engine running? No significant oil on the cardboard? (we're talking a puddle here) The dipstick reads full and you arent adding oil?

YOU DONT HAVE A PROBLEM.

[Hershey]

" hershey for the record ur pics look extra "staged" or "serious" now with his pics next to it. the pics u posted look to have very fresh oil and a significant amount. "

:laughabove: . Are you saying I somehow planted the oil there for both cars ? We've posted the worksheet and the extended warranty . Not much more we can do to prove this is real , not fiction . :rolleyes:

[Hershey]

GONZO , you still may want to take a look at the area pictured for both our cars . You could always remove the plastic engine cover to see if any oil was spilled on top of the valve cover during an oil change and then look around the backside and corner of the valve cover to see if any oil is leaking from the valve cover . It only takes about 5 minutes to take of the cover for a better look . Good Luck .

[yaris2010RS]

" hershey for the record ur pics look extra "staged" or "serious" now with his pics next to it. the pics u posted look to have very fresh oil and a significant amount. "

:laughabove: . Are you saying I somehow planted the oil there for both cars ? We've posted the worksheet and the extended warranty . Not much more we can do to prove this is real , not fiction . :rolleyes:

lol, dont take it the wrong way; no i dont think u planted it there. but for there to be oil dripping like the pic u showed but no oil on the driveway and u not needing to add oil seems odd and i do still think MOST of ur evidence is spilled oil.

as for worksheets, if u go an complain to toyota they will do the work, they dont care, they get paid.

[Hershey]

Here's some pics taken today . Top is engine cover removed showing no oil spilled during any of my oil changes since bought new , 2nd down is oil collecting underneath which you'll see the pattern is different than the previous pic from post #124 ( bottom pic ) , 3rd down is back and corner of valve cover gasket ( no oil ) , and bottom is side of valve cover gasket with no oil leaking . Not much more we can do to for proof .

[Hershey]

No new car should have an oil leak as our 2010 does , the 2008 did , and our friends 2010 does . He has over 60,000 miles on his . We're waiting to see how his car holds up as the mileage racks up . If his develops problems we'll then get our 2010 repaired under warranty .

[Nu18F]

Hershey,

I see the photo's of the oil and i do believe you. 2 ounces of oil can make a much larger mess than your photo's show without affecting oil level. That said and just FWIW , i wouldn't automatically assume it's faulty head gaskets. The list of possibles could be long.

Whatever the cause, if in fact there are many 1.5's out there with the same problem, i really hope it was caught before the 2011 model was built.

They wife's new 2011 set's outside with 26 miles as i stumbled across this topic.

:smile:

[Hershey]

Thanks for the trust . The 2008 sedan head cylinder gasket was replaced under warranty at 23,747 miles and hasn't leaked any oil since the fix . Tells of a likely defective head cylinder gasket . I found the oil leak of both during an oil change for the 2008 when I decided to look at the engine for any leaks . Took a few days to pinpoint it for both since it's in a well hidden spot of the engine block . The 2008 had 17,803 miles and the 2010 3,467 miles at the time of discovery . So , the oil leak starts very early . The 2010 still leaks . I've found the same oil leak on YARIS from 2007 > 2010 . We considered trading the 2010 3 door ( TOYO dealer knowing of oil leak ) for an 2011 , but were concerned may end up with the same issue . I hope you and others don't encounter this .

[Hershey]

Last , the Multi Layered Steel head cylinder gasket that replaced the the factory H.C.G. of the '08 sedan seems a bit thicker . Compared to the factory installed H.C.G. of the 2010 .

[Nu18F]

Thanks for the clarification - I hope we have the newest style.

Is there by chance an online parts fiche for the Toyota's? I would like to see if the head gasket part number has been superceded.

[Hershey]

Just called a few TOYOTA parts departments . The kit number is # 04112 - 21231 and the M.L.S. head cylinder gasket in this kit was likely to be #11115-21040 , this was current in September 2010 when the work was done . Was also told the original ( factory installed ) M.L.S. head cylinder gasket is most likely to be #11115-21030 . The current M.L.S. H.C.G. is #11115-21050 . As for the #11115-21040 being thicker than the 21030 is unknown . Seems to be to the touch of the finger from the '08 and the 2010 . Hopefully the 2011 is the 11115-21050 and not the 11115-21030 . Confusing , ain't it ? :biggrin:

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

11115-21030 IS FOR THE ECHO/PRIUS AS FAR AS MY CATALOG GOES. 11115-21050 IS GOOD FOR 2006-2011 YARIS.....

[Hershey]

The 11115-21050 H.C.G. comes with the current head cylinder gasket replacement kit. Was told this by the parts dept. Thanks

[Hershey]

Rockland, is it possible that the newer gaskets are thicker than the factory installed gaskets? Is there any way you could find out? Thanks

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

Rockland, is it possible that the newer gaskets are thicker than the factory installed gaskets? Is there any way you could find out? Thanks

i could measure a newer one if you have an old one to compare it to....

[Hershey]

" i could measure a newer one if you have an old one to compare it to...."

The service center sent the original H.C.G. to Toyota for inspection and threw out the package it came in . I'll try to find a way to measure the one on the '10 . Very difficult to do thanks to the location in the back of the engine , not much room to work with as you can see ( exposed part of H.C.G. in RED ) . Thanks .

[Hershey]

Here's a side view of the exposed part of the H.C.G. ( circled in BLUE ) after being cleaned on the 2008 sedan not long after finding the source of the oil leak . Last night the better 1/2 noticed that a part of the multi layered steel head cylinder gasket looks to be split apart ( gap ) ( circled in RED ) . What's your take on it ? A defect ? I'll try to get the same picture of the 2010 that leaks oil for comparison . ( may need to zoom in for better view )

[Hershey]

Just took these pics after cleaning the M.L.S. head cylinder gasket and the surrounding area of the 2010 and that has the split ( gap ) of the H.C.G.. Looks very similar to the '08 H.C.G. above that was taken before H.C.G. replacement . I also noticed in AUXMIKES You Tube video that his has the same split as the '08 did and the 2010 does . To see go to , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVK_uBKotcU , you'll need to watch it FULL SCREEN and then pause it at 29 > 30 seconds into the video where you'll see the split ( gap ) in the M.L.S. head cylinder gasket . Looks like it starts near the exhaust manifold and goes further to the right . Makes me wonder if the heat of the exhaust manifold is causing this or the M.L.S. H.C.Gaskets from the factory are defective or possibly a combination of both . The oil leak occurs from under that area . The new H.C.G. in the '08 no longer leaks oil and looks to be thicker than the original H.C.G.. Probably thicker to withstand the heat of the exhaust manifold . :iono: . Did call a few Toyota techs to explain the issue and said not likely for the split of M.L.S. H.C.G. to be normal . Here are the pics from today of the '10 3 door for comparison to picture above and AUXMIKE's video . May need to ZOOM in for better look of the 2010 photos , gap is circled in RED . Last , What's your take on this matter ? Thanks .

[Hershey]

Well , the split in the gaskets shown above are not likely to be the culprit . Just took a picture of the new M.L.S. head cylinder gasket in the 2008 sedan that was installed in September and that too is split . You'll notice all the black F.I.P.G ( Form In Place Gasket ) sealant used to reseal it . One possible cause down . So , possibly to be defective head cylinder gaskets installed at the factory . Think they were supplied by a company in China . Here' the pic , split is circled in RED . May need to ZOOM in for better look .

[sickpuppy1]

Possibly it is a two piece gasket that is backed to a harder/metal sheet like material, and the pressure of torquing down the bolts makes it separate. Not necessarily a defect, but a byproduct of pressure makes it flare out a bit......Or I could be full of crap! LOL

[Hershey]

O.K.. :wink: . Was told the splitting can be common because of no pressure being applied at that area between 2 masses ( head / lower block ) . Live and learn . Torque can be issue too . Just trying to get to the source . :biggrin:

[Nu18F]

It's not uncommon to see a multi layer steel gasket split on the overhang however, if my eye's aren't deceiving me,that is a gap between the H/G , head and block, in post #143.

Not trying to start anything - just going by the photo posted.

[Hershey]

" It's not uncommon to see a multi layer steel gasket split on the overhang however, if my eye's aren't deceiving me,that is a gap between the H/G in post #143. "

Yes , there's a small gap ( circled w/ RED ) in the M.L.S. head cylinder gasket of the #1 cylinder that was installed the 1st few days of Sept. , 2010 with 23,747 miles on it . That part of gasket does stick out from the block as you can see in the photos . Need to ZOOM in for a better look . The digital camera we have isn't that great .

[yaris2010RS]

toyota put that black gasket maker in there? really? they made a mess of a job. the most recent pic i couldnt see the red circle. from what i saw it looks like the same type of gasket as the exhaust header

[Hershey]

" toyota put that black gasket maker in there? really? they made a mess of a job. "

Yes , this was the way we found it after the repair of H.C.G. at the TOYO service center . They also did not tighten the oil filter enough . Luckily I decided to look at it a few days after getting it back and it was so loose it had leaked to the bottom of the filter . I also was able to spin it off buy hand . Cleaned it off and retightened by hand along with a 1/4 turn of the cup / wrench . This is why we got TOYOTA to give us the free extended warranty , due to the shoddy work done on the engine .

[Hershey]

This is also the reason why we and our friends ( told them of our experience ) are hesitant to get the M.L.S. h.c.g. of the 2010s' replaced under warranty . He has 65,000+ miles on his 2010 3 door . He bought the 4 year / 125,000 PLATINUM extended warranty at time of purchase . So , he's keeping his fingers crossed for the car not to develop any issue with the oil leak of his YARIS after the warranty runs out . We're using his car as a guinea pig since we only put on about 15,000 miles a year , which is well below his yearly average .

[Hershey]

This picture is of a 2007 YARIS engine torn down at 102,000 miles , said to be due to an external oil leak and internal coolant leak . Good to know the PLATINUM extended warranty with 0 deductible is there as the mileage / years pile on .

[Hershey]

Top view of the black M.L.S. h.c.g.. The area circled in BLUE is where the gasket is split ( gap ) . The area in RED is where the h.c.g. leaks oil from underneath the gasket of the #1 cylinder . Picture below shows the split in H.C.G. , circled in RED .

[CB900F2]

Add me to the list of leaking head gasket :mad:

Checked about three weeks ago when I came across this thread, and cleaned up the area and oil is slowly coming back in the same area.

Anyone consider getting a coolant fluid analysis as there is a coolant passage just to the top left of the cyclinder#1 and wondering if the oil is making its way also in to the coolant in addition to leaking out?

[bronsin]

Add me to the list of leaking head gasket :mad:

Checked about three weeks ago when I came across this thread, and cleaned up the area and oil is slowly coming back in the same area.

Anyone consider getting a coolant fluid analysis as there is a coolant passage just to the top left of the cyclinder#1 and wondering if the oil is making its way also in to the coolant in addition to leaking out?

Im curious if you could give an estimate of how much oil this is? Is it measureable on the dipstick? The question isnt is oil going into the coolant but is coolant burning in the combustion chamber? Which should be apparent from white smoke and lowered coolant level. Also if there IS oil in the coolant it will be seen in the radiator when you take the cap off. (engine cold please)

See any?

[Hershey]

If there's an internal coolant leak it would be very slight within the cylinder and most of it is likely to burn off within the cylinder . You'll notice there's more deposits in the #1 cylinder of the torn down engine above . We've just posted a U.O.A. in this section for the 2010 and no signs of coolant were present in the analysis . Plan to do oil analysis for it every 35 > 40,000 miles . Might get a compression test for the 2010 as well . Yes , there is some drop of the oil on the dipstick .

[Hershey]

There's been a few other members that claimed to have or possbily have the oil leak , but they've disappeared . :iono: . One said they found out through CARFAX that the head cylinder gasket was replaced on their used '09 and another discovered the oil leak when working under the car while installing fog lights . Maybe they're just playing with our heads .

[Hershey]

Add me to the list of leaking head gasket :mad:

Checked about three weeks ago when I came across this thread, and cleaned up the area and oil is slowly coming back in the same area.

Anyone consider getting a coolant fluid analysis as there is a coolant passage just to the top left of the cyclinder#1 and wondering if the oil is making its way also in to the coolant in addition to leaking out?

Sorry to see that . You could get a U.O.A. to see if any coolant is present , like we did .

[Hershey]

THIPHIL , is the one that supposedly found oil on the back of the block while installing fog lights on his 2010 ( posted March 24 , '11 ) and then on MARCH 26th posted he was taking it to the dealer the following week . No word since .

[Hershey]

Then these's a post with a few pictures by GONZO452001 of possible oil leak in this thread on page 7 , post #123 . Never heard from again .

[Hershey]

Then there's this post ( 1/8/'11 , post # 83 , page 5 this thread ) by TXyaris finding the head cylinder gasket was replaced on his used 2009 by using CARFAX . Nothing since .

[Hershey]

Yesterday we stopped by the friends for a visit and to get pictures of the extent of the oil leak from the H.C.G. of their 2010 3 door bought new in October , 2009 . The last time I thoroughly cleaned the exposed part of the black M.L.S. head cylinder gasket and the surrounding area was October 19 , 2010 with around 49,000 miles on it . So , it's been close to 7 months since last inspection . There's now over 65,000 miles on it . There was no oil leaking from the valve cover gasket and no oil on the top or the back of the valve cover from oil changes done at a TOYO dealer . I've posted pics from our 2010 3 door of same areas that were recently cleaned as his was in October , 2010 to give the BEFORE ( cleaned ) and AFTER ( around 16,000 miles later ) . Here's what was discovered :

[Hershey]

" toyota put that black gasket maker in there? really? they made a mess of a job. "

Can you imagine how much of the black Form In Place Gasket ( F.I.P.G.) sealer that may have ended up inside the engine as well . I did several short runs of fresh oil and filter to flush out any that may have been inside the engine . This is part of the reason we'll be getting an U.O.A. for the 2008 sedan in mid MAY . Will post that .

[Hershey]

Plan to go back to our freinds 2010 YARIS and then mark the coolant level in the resorvoir when it's cold . That way I can hopefully monitor it to see if any coolant is being lost . Worth a try .

[auxmike]

Hershey, my gasket appears to be still ok, but I need avisual to verify it. Gotta jam the camera in there still....

[CB900F2]

Use a mirror

Hershey, my gasket appears to be still ok, but I need avisual to verify it. Gotta jam the camera in there still....

[CB900F2]

Rockland.. How many head gasket replacements have you seen at your dealership for the Yaris?

Thanks Rockland

i call :bs: until this guy posts up some pictures in a toyota dealer's lot with said leaks....

[Hershey]

" Hershey, my gasket appears to be still ok, but I need avisual to verify it. Gotta jam the camera in there still... "

I've had plenty of practice with photo shoots of modeling YARIS engines with oil leaks . Get to know the angles , lighting , etc.. These last photos of our friends 2010 YARIS aren't too pretty are they ? May have to open a studio just for YARIS with oil leaks .

[Hershey]

Reason why we're posting of the head cylinder gasket issue is that we don't want to see those who own a new / used YARIS to possibly encounter a H.C.G. failure after the 5 year / 60,000 mile warranty runs out which would be an expensive fix out of their pockets . We can understand how this could make owners a bit uneasy . Not wanting their vehicle touched because of possible issues with the car during and after the fix . It's their car , their call . Here again is the picture of a YARIS owner who had the M.L.S. head cylinder gasket replaced at a 102,000 miles by a TOYOTA service center said to be due to the external oil leak and an internal coolant leak . Most likely at the owners expense . TOYOTA needs to come forth on this matter .

[Hershey]

Here's the pics Gonzo452001 took of their 2008 3 door located on page 7 , post #123 from March 2nd , 2011 , http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31470&page=7 . I've also included pictures of our 2010 YARIS 3 door with area cleaned , AUXMIKES pic , and our friends 2010 3 door for comparison of all 4 cars . Never heard back from Gonzo452001 . I plan not to clean off the oil that leaks from the M.L.S. h.c.g. of our 2010 for about 10,000 miles to see how oil / grime ( dust ) builds up for comparison to AUXMIKE , GONZO452001 , and our friends 2010 . Will take awhile . Top is our 2010 cleaned of oil , GONZO ( 2 pics of '08 ) , AUXMIKE ( 1 pic of '08 ) , and 3 pics of the friends 2010 3 door . May need to ZOOM out a bit for better look .

[Hershey]

Will be monitoring how much oil gathers on the block from the H.C.G. as time and miles build up for comparison to pics above . Thoroughly cleaned the area of oil / residue before the oil change at 16,611 miles on March 7 , 2011 . Here's pictures taken at 18,053 miles on March 16 . There's 1,442.4 miles (Trip B ) on the oil since the O.C.. You'll notice a small amount of oil circled in BLUE .Theres' also a thin coating of oil on the whole area that has a sheen ( glimmer ) to it , but since being fairly fresh oil it's hard to see , but is wet to the touch . Clearer image when ZOOMED out at 50 > 75% .

[Hershey]

Will also monitor the coolant level of the resorvoir for the 2008 sedan since the multi layered steel head cylinder replacement at 23,747 miles due to the same oil leak of the H.C.G.. Marked the coolant level with a black permanent magic marker after sitting overnight at 43 degree temp . Here's pictures of the level , hopefully there will be no loss of coolant . Will keep tabs ( when coolant cold ) and post if any loss . Clearer image when ZOOMED out at 50 > 75% .

[MickZEL]

Will also monitor the coolant level of the resorvoir for the 2008 sedan since the multi layered steel head cylinder replacement at 23,747 miles due to the same oil leak of the H.C.G.. Marked the coolant level with a black permanent magic marker after sitting overnight at 43 degree temp . Here's pictures of the level , hopefully there will be no loss of coolant . Will keep tabs ( when coolant cold ) and post if any loss . Clearer image when ZOOMED out at 50 > 75% .Guys tell me that flooded the red? Which brand?

[CB900F2]

Hershey and all....
I have been monitoring the block for about 2 weeks now ever since I wiped down the area, and so far, there are no visible signs of oil. I did go one step further and you guys may want to try. I took a white piece of stiff paper and used it like a shim and I was able to insert it in between the head gasket and cylinder head and then between the block and the head gasket and ran it along the area in Henrys photo as I wanted to see if there was any oil reside still in this area, and the paper came out clean, no oil.

Not sure what this means at this point, but I am hoping that maybe my situation is only that the oil might have come from the timing chain cover area and just ran along the block (maybe!)...

Feedback from other members would be great..

P.S.. Henry I re used you photo. I will upload one of my photos

[Hershey]

Let the car go for awhile to see if it ends up like this ( 2010 Yaris ) . If not , then maybe you're in the clear . Thanks for the effort .

[CB900F2]

Hey guys.. So far, every day I have been monitoring the head gasket, and it appears at this point, I may just have a very small leak at the point where the timing cover and the block/head meet. I attached a photo where about every 2 to 3 days, there is a very small amount of oil, and I have to use a q-tip to actually see it by wiping the area with the the q-tip. I checked with the q-tip the area around the actual gasket, and along the block(HG) and no oil.

I attached a photo of the area.

[Hershey]

The oil comes from under the H.C.G. and runs down along the sealant of the timing chain cover and also runs under the the ledge as I pictured above . Did you look from under the car up to the bottom of the ledge where oil collects underneath ? Thanks for posting and sorry to see your car leaks oil .

[Hershey]

Don't forget the '08 sedan had the same oil leak that ran down along the sealant of the timing chain cover to the lip of the oil pan and no longer leaks since the replacement of the factory H.C.G..

[CB900F2]

Hi Hershey... In my case, there is no oil on the underside of the same area.. I did use the shim check as noted in another one of my post during the past few weeks and no oil.

Will keep a close eye on the situation and will post updates


The oil comes from under the H.C.G. and runs down along the sealant of the timing chain cover and also runs under the the ledge as I pictured above . Did you look from under the car up to the bottom of the ledge where oil collects underneath ? Thanks for posting and sorry to see your car leaks oil .

[Hershey]

May want to let it go for a week or so to if it builds up . Then check . Hopefully you're fine . Will likely post an used oil analysis for the 2008 sedan that had the head cylnider gasket replaced at 23,747 miles in the begining of last September and no oil leaking from the #1 cylinder as of yet ( 30,945 mis. ) . It may be loosing coolant since the repair and there was an excessive amount of TOYOTA black form in place gasket ( F.I.P.G. ) silicone sealant used during the repair under warranty . Will be interesting to see if any signs for one or both . Best of luck to you and your YARIS .

[Hershey]

During the O.C. earlier I noticed some black pieces in the opening of the oil fill hole . Looks to be pieces of the black silicone sealant used during the fix . The tech went overboard with the sealant . Plan to try to open the oil filter to see if any silicone gathered in it . Here's a pic of the oil fill hole and outside of engine where there's the black F.I.P.G. sealant all over it . Makes you wonder how much ended up inside the engine . Top pics are the back of timing chain cover / valve cover and the bottom picture is of some black pieces ( circled in BLUE ) inside oil fill hole of valve cover . There were also many pieces in the bottom of the bucket where the used oil was drained into . This was the 3rd O.C. since the repair and these black pieces are showing up .

[TXyaris]

There's been a few other members that claimed to have or possbily have the oil leak , but they've disappeared . :iono: . One said they found out through CARFAX that the head cylinder gasket was replaced on their used '09 and another discovered the oil leak when working under the car while installing fog lights . Maybe they're just playing with our heads .

LOL I was serious about the carfax thing.

[Hershey]

" LOL , I was serious about the carfax thing. "

I'd hope you weren't yanking our dipsticks . Been awhile . How's it working out for you ? How about posting the CARFAX , if it's possible ( minus part or all of the V.I.N. ) . The more the merrier for those who disbelieve .

[-scallywag-]

My first post here, cool site for yari owners!

I love these threads! :barf:

I have an 08 yaris hatchback 5psd 38k, and after reading all 11pages of this thread, I checked the block/head on my car and guess what.....OIL!!!

Going to clean her up (my engine compartment was fithy from some recent baja trips rally car style :burnrubber:), drive a couple hundred miles then put her on the rack for a thorough inspection. Also sending an oil sample to blackstone ASAP.

Hershey, thanks for being diligent on this issue, although it was a painfully redundant read, if it saves me (and possibly others) major repairs down the road then it was well worth it.

I'll keep you guys informed.

[Hershey]

If possible post some pics of the oil that has gathered . Would be an easy task for you with the rack . No crawling under the car , standing room . Good luck .

[-scallywag-]

well, I gave yari the "reach around" and snapped a pic with the GF's iphone.

I should have used the flash but obviously there is oil in the described area, seeping all the way down the timing cover.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=692&pictureid=4282

There is no oil dripping from the car, but there is significant seepage extending all the way to the oil pan gasket. I am the only owner and I have NEVER washed the engine compartment, so the seepage has accumulated over the last 38k miles. In all reality maybe two capfulls of oil.

Never any oil loss, coolant loss, or coolant oil contamination issues.

My next step will be removing the engine cover to rule out any spilled oil during O.C's, then trying to get a visual on the source, clean the whole area/engine down and run it for a couple hundred miles, then repeat.

The oil is ready to be changed so I will also pull a sample to send to blackstone. That should tell the whole story. I will also run a compression test.

If anything looks questionable I will write toyota directly with my issues since I am out of warrenty, and go from there. This aproach has worked in the past and saves you the dealer's BS. In my experience Corp. will honor the warrenty and start a service order (not sure what they call it), then you take it to your local dealers and give them the #, and hope for the best.


I am hopeful that this is a "benign" head gasket seepage problem, and oil is only seeping externally. We'll see!!!

I'll keep y'all posted

[Hershey]

" well, I gave yari the "reach around" and snapped a pic with the GF's iphone.

Thanks for taking the photo .

" seeping all the way down the timing cover. "

This is how I found the '08 sedan with 17,893 miles and the 2010 3 door with 3,467 miles at the time of the O.C. for the sedan . Then checked the 2010 after finishing O.C. for the '08 . Also was on the top of the oil pan . Our friends 2010 3 door is very similar to yours . Have been monitoring that since last September .

" There is no oil dripping from the car, but there is significant seepage extending all the way to the oil pan gasket. "

Some oil would most likely fall to the ground when driving , due to it accumulating on the top of the oil pan . The dipstick for the 2010 would drop about 1/4" below the full mark by the time for next O.C. ( 4,000 + mis. ) .

My next step will be removing the engine cover to rule out any spilled oil during O.C's, then trying to get a visual on the source, clean the whole area/engine down and run it for a couple hundred miles, then repeat.

Good plan .

" The oil is ready to be changed so I will also pull a sample to send to blackstone. That should tell the whole story. "

It may . The U.O.A. I posted for the 2010 in the D.I.Y. forum shows no contaminants at 16,611 miles on the engine . The higher mileage you have could present an issue . Won't know until you send it in .

" I will run a compression test "

We never had that done . Did think of it . The oil comes from the #1 cylinder of the H.C.G. , cylinder 1 is closet to the timing chain ( you may be already aware of that ) . Be interesting to see if that is possibly lower than the others . Let us know your findings .

" I am out of warranty "

Not the case . You should be covered under the 5 year / 60,000 mile powertrain warranty .

" I am hopeful that this is a " benign " head gasket seepage problem , and oil is only seeping externally . We'll see !!! "

We're watching our friends 2010 3 door ( 70,000+ mis. ) to see if the H.C.G. craps out , hopefully not . May end up looking like this at 102,000 miles .

[thefalls]

Bumping this thread,as i recently discovered that a few 1nz fe have this leak.
A friend with the boosted TRD motor has the leak close to the timing chain cover and head/block region. Its nothing spectacular but the block is 'damp' with oil around this area.

So what you you people have done?

Replace the head gasket and torqued the head more?

Or just replaced the head gasket?

Thanks.

[yaris2010RS]

hate to be the one to bring an old thread back to life, but after removing my 2010 engine i took some pics. i think these will be the most clear pics in this thread and do point towards an issue with the head gasket sweating oil. Also possibly a new "ledge" to check for oil residue. Please keep in mind, i know i had an exhaust leak at my header, that is definatly not the cause of the residue. I will post more pics once i tear down into the engine more.

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/rsyaryar/20121206_205758.jpg

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/rsyaryar/20121206_205808.jpg

Edit to highlight key points

Green - Head gasket
red - Oil residue (sweating gasket) area
Blue - Exhaust leak
RED ARROW - seating gasket, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY FOR OIL RESIDUE TO GET THERE

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/rsyaryar/20121206_2057581.jpg

http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/rsyaryar/20121206_2058018.jpg

[bronsin]

Personally if I had this happen to me I would monitor the oil consumption very carefully.
Also I would put a piece of cardboard on the ground under the engine and park it there every night.

If the oil didnt fall much on the disstick and there wasnt much oil on the cardboard, I would leave it alone! Theres more trouble to be had by strangers I dont know if they know what theyre doing taking apart the engine and "fixing" it. Also, who is to say a new head gasket WILL fix the problem? What if it doesnt? What if the well meaning people at Toyota screw something else up?

If the compression goes south and the engine starts burning coolant that would be different.

Does anyone know exactly were under the HG the oil is coming from? Maybe that can be modifyed?

One thing bothers me is the reports of new Yaris's with overfilled crankcases. The oil needed is 3.7 qts probably they are putting four liters full in there. Could that do it?

[jRoss]

This thread is painful to read, i'll be checking my block later... i did glance around there before i bought the car but now i'm going to check this specific area. Even if i am leaking, i would probably take bronsin's approach, i've had slow leaks on cars before that didn't cause major damage during the time i drove it.

[Hershey]

I say , let it be . Our friends' 2010 has the same leak since new and there's over 125,000 miles . Just check the level every week .

[Hershey]

I've found a few SCION XBs that have the same engine as the YARIS to have same oil leak . Not sure about the XAs . Rarely see those at used car lots .

[yaris2010RS]

Hershey, lets not jump to conclusions and make a pandemic over something that isnt proven.

Please note i have been monitoring this since 2010 when i got my car and it was always existent but i never once noticed oil on the ground under my car, even after it sat for numerous days at a time. Also i never once noticed my oil dip stick dropped, even after i was boosted i only once noticed an oil drop and it was due to a seperate oil leak on a turbo line.

another note, my car parks in the same spot every night in my garage, the same way. there has never been an oil drip on my white concrete floor.

All that being said, this oil debris was visible on my 2010 yaris since about 4-6 months old (when i first checked)

I do believe My car is not a perfect example as it was oil changed at the dealer since day one and im not 100% sure they did not ever "miss" the oil fill hole. i do believe if they were missing and some was running down the back of the engine i would smell a burning when it hit the header and also the chances of just missing enough to run down the back of the engine and stop on the ledge without going any lower is a long shot. I am comfortable in saying some of this collection of oil and debris could have been caused from oil change sloppyness but i am not able to say that all of this has been caused from oil change sloppyness.

I will attach more pictures soon of the head gasket, from impressions in the head gasket i can say i did not see any failed points but the possibility of raw exhaust (carbon, oil, and other compression debris) blowing through the 2 piece layered head gasket.

Calling this a "Leak" may be premature and incorrect, i am still leaning towards the gasket sweating out between them.

Something else to note, the 2 head bolts on the timing chain edge did seem not as torqued down as the other bolts.

[Hershey]

I'm fine with it now . It's oil under the pan . :biggrin:

[nookandcrannycar]

I've found a few SCION XBs that the same engine as the YARIS to have same oil leak . Not sure about the XAs . Rarely see those at used car lots .

Agreed. i don't see as many XAs out on the road either.

[nookandcrannycar]

I'm fine with it now . It's oil under the pan . :biggrin:

Pun of the Day :biggrin:.

[zkay]

No leak on my 06/10 manufactured 2010 sedan.

[mattme33]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to report that my 07 Yaris Sedan (automatic) is having this issue. I am well beyond my warranty in years but not mileage. Warranty will not cover the issue. The fix was quoted as "Engine oil leaking from front cover, reseal cover, replace front crank seal & valve cover gasket" for which I am quoted the price of $502.00 + tax

1.) Is this really going to "Fix" the issue
2.) Is this price fair?

Thanks for any help on the issue.

[YarisSedan]

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to report that my 07 Yaris Sedan (automatic) is having this issue. I am well beyond my warranty in years but not mileage. Warranty will not cover the issue. The fix was quoted as "Engine oil leaking from front cover, reseal cover, replace front crank seal & valve cover gasket" for which I am quoted the price of $502.00 + tax

1.) Is this really going to "Fix" the issue
2.) Is this price fair?

Thanks for any help on the issue.
Well are you seeing oil on your driveway from the pictures I have seen I'd doubt anyone would loose more than half a quart of oil between oil changes of that so I'd say just monitor your oil level and then repair it when it becomes a issue or gets worse check your pcv valve

[Hershey]

I'd let it slide for now . Clean the areas and watch . Check P.C.V. as stated above and replace if needed . Takes about 15 minutes to replace . Longer if stubborn . Use an closed end wrench to get leverage . May want to check the rear corner and the back of of valve cover on the passenger side . That could be a a culprit . Remove any residue in that area . Would also clean any oil from top of the valve cover that may been spilled during oil changes . Do this when checking P.C.V.. I use window cleaner to cut through oil resdue / grime . You'd be amazed how well it works . Paper towels used to remove grime / oil .