Sound system upgrade

[packetrace]

Hi, so i want to share you my project for my Sound System Upgrade in my 2009 Yaris Sedan!

I won't do it fast so it will take time but as soon as I get my stuff bought and installed I'll post picture.

I've bought my big three I just have to wire it in my car...maybe this week end

I will get my tweeter + Xover from , an EQ-6500 and 2 pionneer premiere 6.5'' from Derick...THANKS to him!

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/Antho_Paquette/tweeterxover.jpg

Here is my HU....it's a Kenwood MP-345U ...it has only one rca output...this is why i'm going to use an equalizer

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/Antho_Paquette/Kenwood-KDC-MP345U-In-Dash-CD-MP3-WMA-iPod-Receiver-with-USB-Aux-Input.jpg

I plan on installing 2 subwoofer in the trunk I'm open to suggestions for it...I had planned on 2 x Alpine Type-R which has 500W rms...hmmmm 1000W rms in the trunk :thumbup: And for the amp....I have no idea of which one i'll get!:confused:

I will also amplify my 6.5'' , my tweeter and my 6x9'' with a 4x65 watts amps...I will probabby mount my tweeter in my a-pillar with fiber glass....I'LL TRY :laugh:

[djgoodonya]

Looking pretty cool so far. Can't wait to see the results! I am just about done collecting all my components and then off to a shop for the overhaul.

[packetrace]

Thanks do Derick for all his help

I'm planning to get two of them

they have 400Wrms each and 1400peak...dual voicecoil 4ohm

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/Antho_Paquette/tsw308d4.jpg

I'll choose the appropriate amps for them...then i'll look at an amp for the front speaker +tweeter.....and the back 6x9''speaker will wait...

And for the power...I don't know what to choose...I WILL DO MY MY BIG THREE THIS WEEK


capacitor in the trunk for the sub amp...

or

New battery in the hood

or

Keep the stock battery in the hood and a kinectic 1800 in the trunk

Suggestion ?

[derickveliz2]

Thanks do Derick for all his help
I'll choose the appropriate amps for them...then i'll look at an amp for the front speaker +tweeter.....and the back 6x9''speaker will wait...
And for the power...I don't know what to choose...I WILL DO MY MY BIG THREE THIS WEEK
capacitor in the trunk for the sub amp...
or New battery in the hood
or Keep the stock battery in the hood and a kinectic 1800 in the trunk
Suggestion ?

You are welcome,

Big 3 it's a must!
you don't need a capacitor, I'm not a fan either
I don't think you would need a 2nd battery, my HU with 3 amps was reading 13.4 v during commute and I only have the Big 3

get all in your car and check the voltage.

[packetrace]

GREAT !!! for me you are GOD i'll buy a 12V voltmeter to get in my car with a led display :) ill mount it in the console trim

[packetrace]

I have ordered two of those pioneer sub with this hifonics amplifier and a 4 gauge amp wiring kit


http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/Antho_Paquette/hfi1000d.jpg


The only thing missing is my ported box + my speaker amps !!

[sqcomp]

Take a look at a DD1508 in the loaded enclosure...

Those little things are amazing!

[packetrace]

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:I've already ordered my two subs and amps....I'm waiting them impatiently !!!!!!

Derick will send metweeter + xover + 6.5'' + EQ6500 soon


two things are missing....ported box + speaker amps

I'll go buy the boxe this week at my local shop....and the amp will wait until christmas

[packetrace]

Sub + amp + wiring kit should arrive friday :D

Going to get my ported box tommorow

And I almost finished my big three today ...just need the ground from chassis to engine !

Going to get all this wired and functionnal ...friday night !

[packetrace]

Wellll...I've received my SUB + AMP avec I've installed it :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

I know that wire are not well placed but I juste wanted it to work :biggrin:

Here is picture of my SUB in this BAND PASS enclosure

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/Antho_Paquette/IMG_2735.jpg

Here is the amp

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/Antho_Paquette/IMG_2737.jpg

My fuse

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/Antho_Paquette/IMG_2738.jpg

My Engine Bay ...yes I know my big three is not ended....and my grill is broken I'Ve hurted someone's bumper in the F***ing traffic yesterday :thumbdown:

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/Antho_Paquette/IMG_2739.jpg

And the grommet I've used

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/Antho_Paquette/IMG_2740.jpg




DO YOU LIKE IT :biggrin::biggrin:

[sqcomp]

Why are we running the wires across the engine? *Grrrr*

[packetrace]

I am running the bigthree wire in the engine because I was it like that in every tutorial

and my blue wire for my amp is there just to test my amp il run it in the back of the engine bay :D

[sqcomp]

Okay, this is going to sound like I'm being a troll. most of the people who have seen my work know it's otherwise.

Get that long wire run hidden! Don't run it across your engine. Try to keep it away from the hottest parts of the engine as well as the pulleys and belts. Take a look at my engine bay shots. THAT is clean. I'm only saying this to drive you to be better.

[derickveliz2]

Wellll...I've received my SUB + AMP avec I've installed it :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

I know that wire are not well placed but I juste wanted it to work :biggrin:




Bandpass enclosures are loud specially outside! people should hear you approaching from the distance :headbang:






http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/Antho_Paquette/IMG_2735.jpg






D.

[packetrace]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:I had a big problem tonight the plexiglas has broken because of my sub

I'll look at what I will do with it :confused:

Those sub are very loud :biggrin: but the sound quality is poor because all other speaker are stock....:brokenheart:

Derick im waiting for you :D pionneer 6.5 + tweeter should make a big difference....and rear 6x9 will wait....im missing money :thumbdown:

And i need a new bumper :brokenheart::thumbdown:

[derickveliz2]

Derick im waiting for you :D pionneer 6.5 + tweeter should make a big difference....and rear 6x9 will wait....im missing money :thumbdown:


It's ready to go, I'll go to the post office at lunch!

D.:thumbsup:

[_S7V7N_]

What type of box you plan on getting next ? Since the bandpass crapped out.

[packetrace]

Vented box....but actually my bandpass without plexiglass is a kind of small ventend box..

[_S7V7N_]

You going to purchase a prefabricated box ? You may save more money just getting a custom box built if you know anybody with the knowledge and skill to build one. Unless you have the tools yourself. I'm pretty sure if you posted the specs of your speakers, somebody could put together some measurements and port lengths , as a matter of fact a simple google search can send you in the right direction on what to look for as far as calculating what size box you need. That way if you're gonna buy a prefabed box you'll know what kind of sound to expect out of it.

Good luck with finding a new one.

[derickveliz2]

.:thumbsup:

Look in my thread, post # 758 it's all about how to design your subwoofer box...

LINK (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=532229&postcount=758)


D.

[derickveliz2]

Also I believe Pioneer includes guides for all 3 type of boxes, sealed, ported and bandpass.

[packetrace]

Thanks Derick for the info....

I had my BandPass replaced at my local audio shop....they had told me it would support a lot of power but ...it didnt.....

They gave me another one...it's the same....but I tune my sub into the max....and the plaxiglas hasn'T broken yet....AND

IT IS SO FUCK*** LOUD

I was tuning my system in my car....and my father asked me to put it less loud...i said...i'm doing some checkup:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::laugh: but I wasnt ahha it's always going to stay like that :D

[sqcomp]

I'd bet I have two 8's that'll give you a run for your money...

*wringing hands*

[packetrace]

what are those 8's ?

[derickveliz2]

what are those 8's ?

Sqcomp is probably talking about the Legatia L8's I would love to have them in the kick panels like he does... but maybe in a bigger car, and they are not cheap either $

I wonder when is your package going to arrive? I hope it gets there soon; let me know

D.

[sqcomp]

Actually no...

We're talking subs in this discussion. Legatia L8's are mid bass speakers. I've got something else in mind that would RAWK your socks off...and it's probably the beefiest 8" woofer you've ever seen.

I know that it's the loudest 8" I've ever heard.

We had two teenagers audition them the other week and they commented "what do you have in the back? Two 12's?"

It was great, we didn't even answer, we smiled and said, take a look at this. They walked back and you really should have paid admission for the look they gave! They actually tried to call bull$hit, thinking we were hiding another sub somewhere.

Needless to say, we put the same sub with the enclosure in their hatch and it was sold right then and there. The sweet thing is that the 8" even in the vented enclosure is really small. I could stack 4 if not 6 of them in my trunk and pull upwards of 150 dB if not higher with my limited power (900 Watts). I can tell you that they don't sound as good as my ML3800 but damn they're loud!

Derick, what package are you talking about?

[derickveliz2]

Actually no...

We're talking subs in this discussion. Legatia L8's are mid bass speakers. I've got something else in mind that would RAWK your socks off...and it's probably the beefiest 8" woofer you've ever seen.

I know that it's the loudest 8" I've ever heard.

We had two teenagers audition them the other week and they commented "what do you have in the back? Two 12's?"

It was great, we didn't even answer, we smiled and said, take a look at this. They walked back and you really should have paid admission for the look they gave! They actually tried to call bull$hit, thinking we were hiding another sub somewhere.

Needless to say, we put the same sub with the enclosure in their hatch and it was sold right then and there. The sweet thing is that the 8" even in the vented enclosure is really small. I could stack 4 if not 6 of them in my trunk and pull upwards of 150 dB if not higher with my limited power (900 Watts). I can tell you that they don't sound as good as my ML3800 but damn they're loud!

Derick, what package are you talking about?

But,... aren't you going to tell us what 8" sub is that?

I remember 10 years ago, I did a bandpass box with a 8" Pioneer subwoofer... I took it to the car-audio store where I got the woofer and they bought the box and woofer back from me, just because it was so good (loud) and they wanted to show it in their audio room.

Sqcomp... don't worry the package it's for packetrace! going to Canada.

D.

[packetrace]

Usually it takes 1 week or so from USA to canada!! when have you sent it ?

[derickveliz2]

Usually it takes 1 week or so from USA to canada!! when have you sent it ?

If my memory is correct, I think Tuesday. :thumbsup:

D.

[packetrace]

SQcomp! for now ill install the 6.5'' in the door that ill receive from derick....

Maybe one day...ill install midbass driver in kick panel...ill let you know because I plan one day to install midbass mid range and tweeter....but ill start with 6.5'' + tweeter + my sub i've already installed!

I'll let you know when i get there !

[packetrace]

I HAVE RECEIVED MY EQUALIZER MY TWEETER MY 6.5'' AND MY X-OVER FROM DERICK

[derickveliz2]

I HAVE RECEIVED MY EQUALIZER MY TWEETER MY 6.5'' AND MY X-OVER FROM DERICK

Good,
I was a little worried, I guess sending stuff to Canada is not as hard as sending stuff south!

D

[packetrace]

Those 6.5'' looks realy great i'll install them next week end...i need to find how to remove the door since i have no power windows i dont know how to remove the little thing we take to open the windows:laugh::laugh: sorry for my english im from quebec !!

[derickveliz2]

Those 6.5'' looks realy great

Wait until you compare with OEM speakers!

.

[_S7V7N_]

It has one of them C clips if you have the manual windows, i just used a rag but i'm sure the auto parts store has the right tool for it.

[derickveliz2]

This is what you have to do...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQq0vKS5UamDDP45neN3Rf0neholJ1Hl EeNgVVHYYOAOTBINPqT


This is the clip to be removed

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJvf_0j6CK_HP_Covc-FjyyXn5RkUqAFL5H4HUZAlSlMFH1Y9qlg


and / or you can buy this

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQMA3ERbBh1aOMPm5I4fDkENczTRSMfn ysmUuqbdy7n7FN9wMOi

[Palmer812]

I still want to know what 8" sub SQ was talking about. ??

[derickveliz2]

I still want to know what 8" sub SQ was talking about. ?? :confused::iono::confused::iono::confused::iono:

Yeah me 2!

.

[Shinare]

This is what you have to do...

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQq0vKS5UamDDP45neN3Rf0neholJ1Hl EeNgVVHYYOAOTBINPqT


This is the clip to be removed

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJvf_0j6CK_HP_Covc-FjyyXn5RkUqAFL5H4HUZAlSlMFH1Y9qlg


and / or you can buy this

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQMA3ERbBh1aOMPm5I4fDkENczTRSMfn ysmUuqbdy7n7FN9wMOi

I've heard you can pull the edge of a towel or wash cloth behind it and it will snag on that clip and pull it out. Haven't tried it yet as I have not yet needed to take my door panel off.

[packetrace]

where can i get the tool to remove the clip....i've tried with a towel...but it has failed

[derickveliz2]

I used to do it just using a flat screw driver!

[packetrace]

i'll try with just a screw driver....you took a smal one ? I've tried with something slim but never find the clip..

[sqcomp]

Digital Designs 1508

Pretty damned loud...

[derickveliz2]

Digital Designs 1508

Pretty damned loud...

Cool!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX_Zs6tFfAl7jyJ7uv6yi-d5Otz4J6l5IVbH41Yq4g59_UMEko

[_S7V7N_]

DD's are Beast !!!!

[sqcomp]

We are planning on using 8 of them vented in this '82 Malibu wagon we have going on at the shop.

That should get a little loud with the 6K watts we have going on...

[derickveliz2]

i'll try with just a screw driver....you took a smal one ? I've tried with something slim but never find the clip..

How did it go?

D.

[packetrace]

wooowwwww i completely forgot yarisworld :O i did not came since a long time :O

i ve made the clips removed at my toyota dealer as i went there for an oil change.....

i've installed the pionner 6.5'' in the door

i'Ve attached the tweeter to the door near the 6.5'' as you told me....


yesterday was a sad day.....come one drove on a red light and hurt my car.....i dont have front bumper anymore...my car went to the toyota dealer today...ill get it back soon ! I HOPE

About the sound it gives .....wellll its not as good as i tought......the 6.5'' sound great until I reach 25/35 of volume.....ans they are not amplified.....they are wired to the stock wire....with the 12db crossover....

they kind of make unpleasant noise...scratching noise ....the tweeter also make it...but not as much.....

maybe its because of the door box...or no thing deadended....or the stock wire.....

[derickveliz2]

I'm sorry to hear about the accident.

I hope you are ok.



Yes, the Pioneer (Premier 6.5 components) are hungry for power, same for the Hifonic tweeters!

D.

[packetrace]

:confused:So.....what do I need to do to make them sound better....

[derickveliz2]

:confused:So.....what do I need to do to make them sound better....

AMPLIFICATION! get a good amp.

Did you install the EQ-6500?

Are you running your speakers out of your deck?

D.

[packetrace]

I haven't insalled the eq6500 since i dont know where to mount it...and I dont have ampli for the speaker....they are actually wired to the stock wire...so...out of the deck...!


where had you mounted it ?

what kind of good amp should i buy....an amp that i could do a 3-way component like yours but later on!

thanks

[_S7V7N_]

I'm running 87 watts rms to my Hifonics components, and they sound okay, I'm fixin to add some cheap NB 1 tweeters to catch the high hats and some of the other higher frequency sound on the music, to help even out the hi's. Them lil cheap things are 97 db sensitivity so i can get away with just running them off the deck power. Check on Amazon for a 4 channel amp, i got mine for under 100 bucks, but i'm also going with an Okay brand, not top of the line stuff like Sqcomp and Derick. My amp is a Crunch 1400.4 I went with Maxxsonics amps. I also have a 1200 Brutus for the subs. Maxxsonics also makes Mb Quart, which is the top of the line brand for Maxxsonics. They also manufactured the Autotek brand as well. I want to go on ahead and just grab the 2000 watt brutus, but i don't think i can provide the power to feed that amp. Once i can stay around 14.4 Volts, then i'll consider the bigger amp.

[derickveliz2]

I haven't insalled the eq6500 since i dont know where to mount it...and I dont have ampli for the speaker....they are actually wired to the stock wire...so...out of the deck...!


where had you mounted it ?

what kind of good amp should i buy....an amp that i could do a 3-way component like yours but later on!

thanks

I would install the eq6500 under the steering wheel or inside the glove compartment.

Since you all ready have a Hifonics you could get a HFi100.2 and run passive 100x2 into the 6.5 + Tweeters Passive means that you are going to use the x-over between the amp and the speakers.

HFi100.2 LINK (http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_22698_Hifonics-HFi100.2-HFi-100.2.html)

http://i.seimg.net/images/380847/main/hfi1002.jpg

You could still run passive with a 3 way system with a x-over and not breaking the bank going Active, and still use only 2 amps 1 for the sub and 1 for the speakers (Mid-bass 6.5", 3" mids, tweeters)

Then if you really want to go 3 way active, it's a complete different story.

D.

[_S7V7N_]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-CRUNCH-PZT1400-4-CAR-AMPLIFIER-1400W-4-CHANNEL-AMP-/300508659593?pt=Car_Audio_Video&hash=item45f7b63f89

* PowerZone Series 4-Channel AB Car Amplifier
* RMS Power Rating:
o 4 ohms: 87.5 watts x 4 chan.
o 2 ohms: 175 watts x 4 chan.
o Bridged, 4 ohms: 350 watts x 2 chan.
* Max Power Rating:
o 4 ohms: 175 watts x 4 chan.
o 2 ohms: 350 watts x 4 chan.
o Bridged, 4 ohms: 700 watts x 2 chan.
* MOSFET power supply
* LED power and protection indicators
* Tuned Bass EQ (0-12 dB bass boost at 45 Hz)
* Variable bass equalization
* Speaker-level inputs with soft turn-on
* RCA Inputs and outputs
* 4-Channel operation
* Top mounted controls for easy adjustment
* 4-Way protection (DC, short, thermal, overload)
* Stereo mono amplifier mode switch
* Illuminated CRUNCH logo
* Silver-plated RCA level inputs
* Silver-plated screw terminals
* Variable high-pass filter (60-1200 Hz, 24 dB/octave)
* Variable low-pass filter (30-250 Hz, 24 dB/octave)
* Variable input level control: 0.2V-5.0V
* Top-mounted controls
* Frequency response: 30-1,200 Hz
* Dimensions: 13-3/8"L x 10"W x 2-1/8"H
* 4-gauge power and ground wiring is required for installation. Contact us for information regarding a discount on select amplifier kits when purchased together with this amplifier.
* 1-year Manufacturer's warranty



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[sqcomp]

You know...I may be able to get that amp for you right around that price WITH a real warranty...

Our shop is the distributor for Maxxsonics (i.e. Crunch) and gets pretty darned good pricing.

[_S7V7N_]

There you go Packet, I'd jump on that deal, i have the older model, and am pretty happy with it. If i could get that newer model for around 85 bucks, I'd sell this one and buy that model there .

[packetrace]

whats the difference between active and passive ? :S

[derickveliz2]

whats the difference between active and passive ? :S

Passive is when you run x-overs like the ones you have, and they go between amp and speakers.

Active is when the x-overs go before the amps.

Note that an active x-over is much more sophisticated than a passive x-over!

I hope it helps

D.

[sqcomp]

To expand on what Derick is saying...

Electronic Crossover:
A crossover is a filter. It is used to block some frequencies while allowing others to pass with little or no effect. An electronic crossover is a set of active filters which pass/reject part of the audio band. The crossover point is determined by changing the value of resistors and/or capacitors in the active filter circuit. A high pass crossover will allow frequencies above a predetermined point to pass. The frequencies below the crossover point will rolloff at a rate determined by the crossover's design. A low pass crossover would let low frequencies pass while reducing the level of the high frequency part of the signal. The signal from the head unit feeds the crossover. The signal leaving the crossover goes to an amplifier. If the high pass output is connected to an amplifier, that amplifier would be connected to smaller speakers which may include tweeters. A low pass xover would drive an amp connected to larger speakers, including woofers.


Passive Crossovers:
A passive crossover has no active filters as are used in the electronic crossover. It uses coils (inductors) and capacitors to cause a rolloff of the audio level. The simplest types use a single coil OR capacitor connected in series with the speaker. If a capacitor is used, it will reduce the lower frequencies getting through to the speaker. If an inductor is used, it will reduce the higher frequencies getting through to the speaker. In this configuration, the rate of rolloff is 6dB/octave. In a more complex configuration combining both coils and capacitors on each speaker, a steeper rolloff is obtainable.

-BCAE1

[packetrace]

So you got active....?

Your activee x-over are in your HU i guess ?

Does it give a way better sound with active ?

Could I use the same speaker Derick have (HL-70 HAT L1V2 and L6) with passive ?

The type of amp is changing depending on passive or active ?

Thanks

[sqcomp]

Derick and I have essentially the same source unit. Mine just speaks Japanese! :)

Yes, our sources have the crossover control in the deck. The sound received is subjective. You can mess up your sound just as much as you can improve it with an active crossover section.

Of course you can use a passive setup with any type of speakers (for the most part). What I wouldn't do is just slap a random passive in there. With a homogenized mix of speakers, you're going to have to find your own values for what crossover points you want and then make it for the best results.

Now, for the cost and time savings, you can pick up an active crossover and avoid the hassle and gain more flexibility.

Your amplifier choice shouldn't affect the crossover...however, a lot of amplifiers have more advanced crossovers now days. That's also something to look at...an amplifier that has a nice crossover section to mess around with.

[packetrace]

what kind of active cross over would you suggest me ?

[sqcomp]

I say buy a decent deck and buy into an RF360.3 or a Bit One. There's a new Bit One coming out that is a smaller version with a few less bells and whistles than the full sized piece. It'll save some cash too.

Alpine, Arc Audio, and Mosconi have some nice processors as well.

[packetrace]

a decent deck turns around how much ?? ahaha

and do you have a link of RF360.3 ...ive made research on google..and found no thing :(

[sqcomp]

http://www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/product_details.asp?item_id=106187

Apparently I was smoking something. I'd swear RF is thinking about a .3 version.

http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_cleansweep_pages.php?page_id=94

http://www.arcaudio.com/productdescription_pages/processors/eqcrossover/dxe.asp

Alpine also is coming out with a processor that is along the same lines as the above.

What do I consider a decent deck? *meh* It depends. An entry level perhaps one of the JVC pieces that have the dual 24 bit D/A's.

[_S7V7N_]

This Is the deck i have and it has alot of tuning options.
Kenwood X794 (http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/eXcelon/1-Din_CD_Receivers/KDC-X794)

I got mine for under 175 bucks shipped
Amazon Link (http://www.amazon.com/Kenwood-Excelon-KDC-X794-Receiver-Remote/dp/B00392IJ5E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1295832699&sr=8-1)


http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Images/Cache/1570_800_338.jpg


A few specs

Sound Excellence DSP: In order to optimize the sound quality, you can use the Sound Excellence DSP to set the type of vehicle and speaker sizes, locations, distances and x-over points. The DSP settings include the following:

•Cabin Setting: Choose from Compact, Full Size Car, Station Wagon, Mini Van, SUV, Mini Van (Long), or Off
•Speaker Setting: The speaker X'over is automatically set when the position and size of each speaker are select from the following items.
◦Front: Location (Door, On Dash, or Under Dash); Size: (6-1/2", 6-3/4", 7", 4"x6", 5"x7", 6"x8", 6"x9", 7"x10", OEM, 4", or 5"); Tweeter (None or Use)
◦Rear: Location (Door, Rear Deck, 2nd Row or 3rd Row; Size (6-1/2", 6-3/4", 7", 4"x6", 5"x7", 6"x8", 6"x9", 7"x10", OEM, 4", or 5")
◦Subwoofer: Size(10", 12", 15", None, 6-1/2" or 8")
•Digital Time Alignment (DTA): Choose from 0.00 to 14.44 feet for the Front pair of speakers, Rear pair of speakers, and Subwoofer distances in reference to the distance between your listening positioning and the locations of the particular speakers.
•X'Over: The Kenwood eXcelon headunit provides independent high-pass crossovers for the unit's front and rear speaker/preamp outputs, as well as a subwoofer low-pass crossover.
◦Front High Pass Filter: Frequency (30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80,90, 100, 120, 150, 180, 220, or 250Hz); Slope (-12, -18, or -24 dB per octave); or you can also select full-range
◦Rear High Pass Filter: Frequency (30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 120, 150, 180, 220, or 250Hz); Slope (-12, -18, or -24 dB per octave); you can also select full-range
◦Subwoofer Low Pass Filter: Frequency (30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 120, 150, 180, 220, or 250 Hz); Slope (-12, -18, or -24 dB per octave); Phase (Normal/Reverse); or you can also select full-range
Equalizer Control: Equalizer Control allows you to use one of the System Q presets, or set your own custom settings using the 5-band Equalizer. The EQ adjustments are as follows:

•Preset EQ: You can select from Natural, Rock, Pops, Easy, Top 40, Jazz, Game, iPod (you can select from 22 EQ curve types), or User.
•5-Band EQ: The User mode allows you to adjust the following 5-Band EQ (62.5Hz, 250Hz, 1kHz, 4kHz, 16kHz) settings.
◦Band Levels: Independent front and rear EQ level of -9dB to +9dB.
◦Bass Effect: Enhances the bass response of Band 1 (62.5Hz).
Position Control: For a better sound-stage you can select your optimal listening position. You can choose from All, Front Left, Front Right or Front. You can also select to manually fine tune the sound stage by selecting the distance for each individual speaker in the vehicle compared to your listening position. You can select between 0.00 to 5.58 feet for the Left Front Speaker, Right Front Speaker, Left Rear Speaker, Right Rear Speaker, Left Subwoofer and/or Right Subwoofer.

[packetrace]

There somethings I want to know just to help me understand the whole thing....about active..passive....3-way component...

I can seee on those active x-over you linked me that there is 3 rca output....rear front and sub....rear would be for mid bass and front for tweeter and midrange....but what willl allow HIGH to tweeter and mid-high to midrange speaker....

Would my EQ-6500 act as an active cross over....I have those 3 rca output...rear front sub...

[derickveliz2]

Here is a typical installation, imagine your Eq6500 between your HU and 6xs

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/Yaris%20Deadening/6xsSystem1copy.jpg?t=1295838137

[packetrace]

:thumbup:ohhhh there you gooo!! this is the way to do what you do without having a deck of 1500$ !!ahahah

thanks derick....im pretty visual...so an imagine is worth 1000 words

[sqcomp]

The payoff with the deck that is "$1500" (actually less than that) is that you have less links in the signal chain and you don't have to leave your seat or use a laptop to adjust anything.

[packetrace]

how much you paid for your carozzeria ? and th p-99 ? aahaha

[sqcomp]

Probably the same as derick. The only thing I got over the American version is the little amplifier...and Japanese sub menus.

I forecast in a couple years I'll sell the piece and buy into a more advanced processing system. It'd be a long shot to get my hands on a JK Labs type piece.

I know tha SB's processing power is something like 300 dB sloped and a completely infinite parametric equalizer system with a very advanced time alignment process. I'd LOVE to gave the headache of setting that one.

[derickveliz2]

how much you paid for your carozzeria ? and th p-99 ? aahaha

P-99s are around $1200

What I think you would like is:

HU to EQ6500

EQ6500 has 3 rca outputs

. for Sub-Woofer (you all ready have an amp for this)

. (get a 4 channel amp) and you could have

Chanels 1 = a passive x-over with 3" or 4" Mids + tweeter

Channel 2 = 6.5" (Mid-bass) in doors (you can use the built in x-over in the amp)




http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/HU%20Stereo%20System/1203c4e3.jpg

D.

[packetrace]

I like much more the one with th 6XS audiocontrol...because i want to change as often as I want the filter.....but I've talked with one of my teacher at college...and I could built a circuit with a PIC and I could program it as a filter.....and build one for tweet, mid bass sub.....but it would be between speaker and amp.....

ps: we are actually drawing our schema for a subwoofer amp....we'll have our amp in MAY or early !

[packetrace]

Is there some deck with 4 outpout like yours p-99 but for less then 1200$....around 500$ ?

because its mcuh more wire with my actual HU....HU to eq6500 to 6QS to AMP

Thanks...and would you have a kit of tweeter,mid-range and mid-bass to suggest me....not as expensive as your system....but....not a crappy system ....

THANKS:thumbup::thumbup:

[packetrace]

I took a look at some amp...and found this....

http://images.sonicelectronix.com/images/339978/big/asa11005x.jpg

4 ohms: 75 watts x 4 chan. + 250 watts x 1 chan.

2 channel for tweeter, 2 channel for mid range and 1 channel for mid bass.....would iit work?

[sqcomp]

Powerbass is a good choice. The "lower power" for the sub might lead me to use a ported enclosure for a bit more output. You could also use two small woofers as well.

[packetrace]

i already my amo + sub....the channel ''sub'' on the powerbass would be for my MIDBASS.....which would go in the door...maybe kickpanel...but IN A WHILE

[sqcomp]

I was under the impression that mid bass would be stereo instead of mono.

[packetrace]

You're right ! newbie I am....!! it would be better to take a PB a 4channel for mid and tweeter...and a 2 chanell for midbass.....and my sub i already have all i need!

[packetrace]

2 powerbass amp would be really good i guesss......

what kind of 3 way component should I be looking for....? I'D like to do something like derick...in ball on a-pillar...or maybe fiberglass...

[sqcomp]

How about looking for what you want on the net, show us what you are thinking. I've got TONS of pictures of component builds, I'm sure Derick does as well.

...Derick does have a good setup. I wonder who helped there? :P Why not describe what kind of listening you're going to do and we can tailor something for you.

Here's mine:

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2060.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2064.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2063.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2094.jpg

http://i720.photobucket.com/albums/ww203/sqcomp/2007%20Toyota%20Yaris%20S/CIMG2569.jpg

Any ideas?

[derickveliz2]

I took a look at some amp...and found this....

4 ohms: 75 watts x 4 chan. + 250 watts x 1 chan.

2 channel for tweeter, 2 channel for mid range and 1 channel for mid bass.....would iit work?

That is the amp I'm using to power my Mids, Tweets and Subwoofer.

Channel #5 is in Mono! It won't work for Midbass you need stereo!



http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu61/derickveliz/PB/33faf3a6.jpg

D.

[sqcomp]

Nice looking amp! Is everything going okay with it? (customer service checkup)

[packetrace]

I'm listening to a lot of kind of music!

Most of the time I listen to punk music....just like sum41, Blink182


ps:your system looks sooo great !! I Like those 3 amp mounted in the back!! and ypour tweeter+mid-range in the A-Pillar! WOOW

[packetrace]

http://cgi.ebay.ca/HSK-163-HERTZ-6-5-3-WAY-COMPONENT-SPEAKERS-MIDS-X-OVER-/110571872766?pt=Car_Speakers&hash=item19be98e1fe#ht_6540wt_905


TAKE a look at this! :w00t:

[packetrace]

http://cgi.ebay.ca/New-Hertz-HSK165-2-Way-6-5-Component-Speaker-Hi-Energy-/290526553153?pt=Car_Audio_Video&hash=item43a4bb6441#ht_4671wt_1139

these one...and i would add HL-70!


what do you think

[sqcomp]

...just wait until you see the finished trunk. I'm floating the ML3800 sub woofer with the magnet out in front of the amps as you look into the trunk. I layed down the frame and the bottom glass yesterday. Next week will be more glass buildup. I'll have around a cube and a half for the enclosure.

Anyway, one word of warning, With the ebay purchases...watch yourself. Woofersetc isn't an authorized retailer for Elettromedia. 9 month warranty? Seriously? That's an in house trick. You won't be getting factory support if something goes wrong.

You're closer to Palmer than I am to you. Perhaps one of us can work something out for you to get the real product.

[packetrace]

Im looking at your trunk...and WOW i just like too much tha amp!!! maybe I could do that....It wont be that beautiful because I wont have 3 amp of the sam brand....:thumbdown:

Where can we buy Hertz audio product....?

[sqcomp]

There are two camps to the buying idea. I'm on one side which supports brick and mortar stores.

PM me your address. I think I can match that woofersetc ebay price on the HSK 163 set and get it to you for basically the same price overall. That way you'd have a real factory warranty for the same price as the rip off woofersetc 9 month in house (non authorized) "warranty".

I'm thinking that the second set is an older set. That's an attractive price as I'm seeing it for the two way. It's old however...

[sickpuppy1]

Gotta figure in the 50.00 shipping too!

[Palmer812]

FYI! I don't know of anyone personally that has ordered Hertz from Woofers Etc. but according to Electromedia USA (Hertz/Audison) Woofers Etc. doesn't even have any Hertz speakers at all. Period. They wanted to be a dealer and Hertz refused to sell to them and they got mad. They still advertise that they have it but when you order ut they (bait and switch) you. They do however have some older Audison amps they acquired from a dealer who went out of business. Hertz/Audison refuses to warranty ANYTHING that comes from them.

[derickveliz2]

Nice looking amp! Is everything going okay with it? (customer service checkup)

Thank you,

Yes every thing is OK, a big improvement from my old Premier Pioneer amp.

One question, it makes a little noise when turns on/off on the speakers, my Pioneer amps never did, when on sounds like "Thrrrst" and when off sounds like "Tukk"

listen to this VIDEO... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvFqMbs5VN0)

or...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvFqMbs5VN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvFqMbs5VN0


Thanks

D.

[sqcomp]

@Palmer...

That is EXACTLY what my shop owner said! Bait and switch.

@Derick:

Check your grounds carefully. In order for the amps to function properly, the audio ground must be referenced to chassis ground at the source unit. If it is not, the amplifier could oscillate. To check for a good ground reference, take a volt-ohm meter (VOM) and measure the resistance between the chassis of the radio and the shield of the RCA line level outputs of the radio. This reading should indicate a direct short. If this is not the case, grounding the shield of the RCA line level outputs to the chassis of the radio will probably be necessary. Keep amplifier power ground wires as short as possible. The longer a wire, the more resistance it has. When a current flows through a resistance, a voltage drop is produced. Because of this, the ground reference at the amplifier's circuit board is no longer the same as that at the chassis of the vehicle. This ground potential differential can lead to noise and improper operation of the amp. (-W.H.)

I'll show Jim this if we can't solve this soon.

[packetrace]

Welll....looks like ebay wont be a great choice....:O I'll forget ebay buying !

[packetrace]

Have you seenn this yaris build on DIYMA ???:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[sqcomp]

What build? Derick's?

[packetrace]

:thumbsup::thumbsup:http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/diyma-member-build-logs/89081-yaris-build.html

[sqcomp]

I remember this install. at some point I had communication with the builder on this one. There were some suggestions on the door assembly...

[sickpuppy1]

Sorry to interrupt....But what is the third harness for?LOL the new Pioneer has two plugs that get soldered together with the harness for the radio, and connect to the Yaris' plugs, but the old radio had three going into the back of it, so one harness isnt used.....Ideas?

[derickveliz2]

Have you seenn this yaris build on DIYMA ???:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Yes I've seen it, he started posting here in YarisWorld, like Sqcomp mentions he gave him some advice to repair his cracked doors.

I've been trying to condense my installation in a very simple photographic way in DIYMA...

here is the LINK (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/diyma-member-build-logs/97132-2008-yaris-sedan-deadening-sound-system.html#post1217678)


D.

[derickveliz2]

packetrace

I found the ring for the tweeter that was missing, send me your address again I'll mail it to you!

D.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa471/Antho_Paquette/tweeterxover.jpg