My yaris lift back SQ install

[cm_ls1]

Finally got all my gear together , well most of it any way, its based on a budget so im not going too crazy, but i want to make sure i get the install right as this is what makes or breaks most systems, hopefully i can get some yaris specific tips from you guys

Anyway here are the speakers- anyone heard of these before?

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8626/matrix1f.jpg

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4876/matrix6t.jpg

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8249/matrix4.jpg

http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/2637/matrix3r.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3669/matrix5.jpg

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[cm_ls1]

ahh yes , ive never was into car audio back then, but through researching these you must be taking about the superman series, the ones you here are the first run after those which where also supposed to be excellent

[derickveliz2]

Welcome!

Get ready for some FUN!


Derick.

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[Palmer812]

Welcome to Yaris World! It is nice to see someone else doing a nice system in a liftback. Derick and SQ have sedans. What other equipment are you planning on using?

[cm_ls1]

i am trying to get the matching 12" oz matrix elite subs, as you know this company has gone out of business , and not because it had a poor product, luckily i know a store that has some new old stock left, and im getting it dirt cheap.

these subs work well sealed, but are famous for their IB installs, not that i will attempt an IB in a hatch ... sealed i think in 1.5 - 2.0 cubes will do nicely ;)

-now for the front stage, i did a bit of a search and notice a few yaris owners are installing tweets at the top of the door, that sounds crazy to me having a tweeter so close to your ear, maybe there is something to the acoustics that make it work?

I WOULD SAY Probably deep in the dash using windshield reflections, or the pillar firing across at each other, or ultimate path lengths would be kicks but i dunno how much sound would be muffled with shuffling legs and road noise.

as for the mids , im thinking doors , but angleD at least 30 degrees to opposite listener ?

i dunno...

[cm_ls1]

ive got all the speakers now, subs came in :)

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2812/matrix1g.jpg

some more pics-

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8426/matrix2n.jpg

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/4369/matrix3.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8249/matrix4.jpg

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/3669/matrix5.jpg

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[cm_ls1]

i dont have any graphs ... these are the specs i found on the drivers, lol had to find them on a web archive cause the company oz-audio has ceased.

any good ?
http://web.archive.org/web/20070206045459/www.ozaudio.com/docs/180CS.pdf

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[cm_ls1]

What other equipment are you using, or planning to use?

my amps just came in as well :) wow these things are sexy !


http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1/dscf0780c.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3461/dscf0782s.jpg

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3462/dscf0789.jpg

http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6053/dscf0796s.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3901/dscf0797.jpg

[fnkngrv]

Very clean looking amps....

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[cm_ls1]

wow thats an amazing coincidence !!! haha

ive got the 2.9 for the splits and 1.1k for the subs, im going to try passive for now , but that 4.5 sure is looking mighty nice haha

actually i just went back and read the thread on your install ...... :bow:

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[derickveliz2]

Nice amps... :w00t:
Will buy them once my son gets his audi :wink:

LOL :laughabove:

D.

[cm_ls1]

I dont think you realize where im from - australia! And yes my steering wheel is on the right ;)

Anyway a local dealer lost his distribution rights from elletromedia (dont know the details) but he unloaded all his remaining stock at cost price, was hoping for a 5.1k but he didnt have any, so i thought this will do.

Any way, on to the source, its not my ultimate headunit, but i have an alpine 9853 from a couple years ago , its only 2v but it has bass engine pro, 3 way ctive capability, 5 peq, time align etc etc , it will do for the moment untill i get the install done.

http://www.egomusiccenter.com/images/CDA-9853R.jpg

[cm_ls1]

ok made a bit of progress , started sound deadening the doors, inside and out, covered all service holes (used that plastic sheeting that real estate agents use for their signs- waterproof and light), another nice surprise was the yaris had cables insted of push rods for the mechanism - easy to seal, although i did go over the wiring - hoping never to hve to access it :laugh:

I thought long and hard at housing the midbass in custom made kickpanels , but the work needed is a bit beyond what i want to take on at the moment, you see being rhd the accel pedal is hard right against the kickpanel and leaves barely any room.

The door opening is at the lower front, near where the kickpanel is anyway just need to get the axis/angle right with an angled spacer , there is quite a bit of room between the door card and the door metal, although these oz's are a good 3" deep!

http://i52.tinypic.com/30c0eoh.jpg

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[cm_ls1]

im actually going to try passive with the 6" first , i have plenty of time to go the kicks later on if i go active ...

thanks for the tip with the foam , is that similar to dynaliner?

[Palmer812]

SQ, remember his car is ass backwards. lol! The steering wheel is on the wrong side. That means his gas pedal would be real close to the kick. Very neat job on the Dynamat but you need to do the area where the speaker mounts. On mine I built wood adapters and screwed/siliconed them to the door. Then I covered the entire door skin in Hushmat.

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[cm_ls1]

SQ, remember his car is ass backwards. lol! The steering wheel is on the wrong side. That means his gas pedal would be real close to the kick. Very neat job on the Dynamat but you need to do the area where the speaker mounts. On mine I built wood adapters and screwed/siliconed them to the door. Then I covered the entire door skin in Hushmat.

it can still be done , but like you said there isnt alot of space , i did find a pic of one that was accomplished but like i said a bit of work!

http://www.mobileelectronics.com.au/forums/uploads/monthly_11_2009/post-11239-1257844260.jpg

[Shinare]

^^ geeze, hope that guy doesn't have big feet like me, heh.

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[cm_ls1]

We might look into if this OZ speaker can be IB or not. If so, use my technique for the enclosure.

What do you mean , so dont try the door at all? Ive already started, if it sounds like sh*t i will try the kicks, will i need to fibreglass? Ive never done that before.

Oh and palmer - yes ofcourse dynamatted under and around the speaker

http://i55.tinypic.com/qxvy9h.jpg

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[Palmer812]

My speakers sound awesome in my doors. I know kicks would sound better but most people don't want to spend the $$ it takes to do them and I use my car daily as a demo car for my shop. It is nice to see the look on people's faces when you tell them they are listening to 2 6 1/2" speakers in the factory locations, 2 tweeters and 2 10" subs. They can't believe it. I know my car couldn't compete with SQ's but it does sound killer. The equipment is important but the install is more important.

[Alien Mantis]

It is nice to see the look on people's faces when you tell them they are listening to two 6 1/2" speakers in the factory locations, two tweeters and two 10" subs. They can't believe it.


Hey! That's all you need to get the job done!

What more do you want?

:biggrin:

[cm_ls1]

Ok the subwoofers are mounted onto the box - 1.5 cu ft per chamber , and i stuffed them with polyfill ..... I wonder if i should do the subs inverted?

also the angle is about 45 degrees facing the rear glass, what do you think , or should they face rear?

Dammit the there isnt much room in the back, ok the lrx amps are compact but i dont see where im goin to mount them?

http://i54.tinypic.com/xdat5d.jpg

[cm_ls1]

after much thought and tossing up between the rear seat or the cavity that located where the rear speakers are, i know its a bit daring but might give it a shot, the only thing concerning me, how hot to the audisons get and do they have a loud fan?

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7674/11quarter.jpg

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[cm_ls1]

i suppose if im in the car driving and its a hot day, i will have the aircon going, thus cooling the amps too.

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[cm_ls1]

Well alright! Everything went well!

Measured, measured twice, and a third time!

And the i started cutting :eyebulge: , i thought a would need a saw , but a utility knife with a new blade was like cutting through butter and more accurate!

There is some metal sheet underneath that held the rear speakers in place, and that stopped the amps from completely flush mounting, i might remove that in future , but for now it sits level with all 4x mounting points solidly mounted on mdf plank and that solidly mounted to the inside metal frame.

I very happy how it turned out, the only thing the left side amp the logo is upsidown, apparently you can swap the panel over.

All the controls are facing the front of the car for easy adjustments , signal cables go along the drivers side , and power cables along passenger.


http://i51.tinypic.com/34ni82x.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/w6yqmf.jpg

The only other touch up is to get some rubber trimming around the edges of the panel.

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[cm_ls1]

Hopefully i will finish it well!

The most critical part i think will be location and aiming of the tweeters.

Im starting to get excited

Oh , we have bling! :w00t:

http://i52.tinypic.com/28tf636.jpg

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[Alien Mantis]

No no, I mean on the amplifier. It's unfinished. What are you going to do to give the mounting location some "polish"?


HE SAID HE WAS FINISHED!

Leave the poor guy alone!

Not everyone wants to spend 9 years making a car stereo system!

:biggrin:

( you just like torturing people... like poor Derick, huh. )

This poor guy already spent an arm and two legs on that stupid Audison amp!

:cry:

[cm_ls1]

nah thats fine... i like the tips and tricks...

how im going to finish the amps? the is a place here called clark rubber, and they sell various size trims , its like a c-shape rubber with i will apply to the edges of where ive cut the rear panel and it will border around the amp nicely...

what are your suggestions?

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[derickveliz2]

HE SAID HE WAS FINISHED!

Leave the poor guy alone!

Not everyone wants to spend 9 years making a car stereo system!

:biggrin:

( you just like torturing people... like poor Derick, huh. )

:cry:

I'm still trying to find out what does "PLD" means :iono:

D.
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[cm_ls1]

You know...

...good call. I sign off from offering advice. Ciao.

cmon man , i thought you had thicker skin than that ! :thumbup:

oh derick
PLD = path length difference , didnt know if you where serious or joking around ;)

[derickveliz2]

oh derick
PLD = path length difference , didnt know if you where serious or joking around ;)

Sorry, some times I make this stupid naive questions!

got it thanks!

but can't you work the PLDs with Time alignment?


D.

[cm_ls1]

Sorry, some times I make this stupid naive questions!

got it thanks!

but can't you work the PLDs with Time alignment?


D.


The brain/ ear combination is pretty powerful, you can trick it into thinking that the sound is coming at the same time with TA , but putting the speakers where the distance to your head is most equal is ultimately going to be better, but in the car environment everything is a compimise anyway so go figure.

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[cm_ls1]

I'm done. Thicker skin is enough. I'm pulling all my posts. eF this forum. Have fun people.

I DARE you to !!!!!


but if you do.... just know i will be taking over :evil:

[sqcomp]

^Done, have fun with the takeover.

Someone tell the mods to pull the sticky. I've already pulled my install log and deadening install pics off. Have fun with your own guidance. Palmer, this forum is all yours.

[cm_ls1]

Wtf.....

Surely there mustve been some underlying conflict, i mean one negative comment from mantis triggered this?

Im just a noob here, anybody else know what going on, is sqcomp that sesetive?

[Alien Mantis]

Hey!

I was only joking. No need to get EMO on us!

You know my silly sense of humor.

I been poking fun at you guys for awhile now.

I apologize if I pi$$ed ya off. I was totally joking.

DON'T LEAVE!

:cry:

[derickveliz2]

^Done, have fun with the takeover.

Someone tell the mods to pull the sticky. I've already pulled my install log and deadening install pics off. Have fun with your own guidance. Palmer, this forum is all yours.

I thought he was kidding... :iono:

D. :frown:

[sickpuppy1]

OK, now this sucks........nobody wants sqcomp to leave. Anyway to contact him by email or phone?

[sqcomp]

I'm not leaving, I just refuse to give any more advice out. I won't be posting any more pics up. I'm trawling through and removing all the pics of mine.

I'm done trying to give the idea that there should be some real polish, fit, and finish to the systems I see up here.

[sickpuppy1]

Is it because you were given a hard time by one of the guys? It kinda got to ya after awhile?

[sqcomp]

I'm just done trying to give advice. This isn't the right place to talk about this though. PM me if you have more questions. I'm not going to hijack this thread.

[Palmer812]

WTF did I miss???? :confused:

[cm_ls1]

Ok ive wired everything up, ran 0 guage up throught the firewall , found a massive gromet where the main harness comes through, there are s ome rubber nipples ( lol its the only way to describe them) around that grommet , punched a screwdriver through one of them and the 0 guage went straight in, then ran it behind the kickpanel and under the seal , stinger distro block then splits 2x very short runs of 4 awg( less than 3 ft ) to the amps.

The earths i was lucky to find a solid bolt that hold some other wires behind the quarter panel right next to where the amps are mounted on either side.

Ive dressed the amps with that rubber surround like i previously mentioned and i must say it looks quite sharp.

The crossovers i conveniently screwed into the glove box, lol the yaris has 3x so i dont think i will miss it.

Ran all the wires making sure not to cross over power cables with RCAs.

I havent ran a 0 guage from the battery earth to the body or from the alternator to the battery yet, but i will as soon as i organise my yellowtop battery.

Turn the ingnition switch ( the first time always makes me nervous) and everything lights up! Fantastic :)

And we have sound :drinking:

Now just with velcro tested the tweeters out in various positions, first i tried at the bottom of the apillars - not too bad soundstage wasnt wide enough though, next i tried up deep in the dash firing up at the windscreen - meh vocals sounded nasaly, then i tried up on the door near the controls - no good tweeter too close harsh, finally tried the kickpanel - soundstage quite low not happy , finally i tried right on the floor right Where the kickpanel ends and the carpet starts, firing up 45 deg towards the rearview mirror- wow fantastic! Big wide open soundstage, vocal tones where spot on, percussion sounds fantastic, the highs sparkle and the kickbass hits you in the chest like a hammer!

The only thing i can see as a problem when i have passengers , will they step on the tweeter ? Not that im worried about damaging it ( its got a strong metal grill) but blocking the sound with their feet... Hmmmm

Anyway pics to follow shortly.

[derickveliz2]

Good progress!

Also when you run passive x-overs the closer the tweeter to the mid-bass speaker the better, in some components they tell you in the instructions to install your tweeter withing 12 inches from the bigger speaker.

Yeah post some pictures!

D.

[cm_ls1]

here is one to start off with...

this is before the dash was together and still needs a good clean and wires tidying

http://i56.tinypic.com/14iorb5.jpg

[cm_ls1]

after listening to the system for a few days now, i am still not 100% happy with the sound.... most people that have heard it have remarked " whats wrong with you , that sounds fantastic!", and it is almost there just not quite, i want it to be wow!.

First problem is when passenger gets into the car and legs get in the way, it does lose a bit of the sparkle in the top end.

Second thing is i think im missing out on some of the upper midrange, due most likely to the mids being in the doors off-axis , when i lean forward and put my head right infront of the air-con controls it seems perfect ! :)

So this means that you guys where right that kickpanel mids would bring the them on axis.... unless i angle the spacers in the door say 30-45 degrees and get the speakers firing towards each opposite headrest or there abouts.

[derickveliz2]

That's why I have my mids and tweets almost at eye level in a horizontal plane on the a-pillars, I know I have a different system, but keep trying you'll get it! Trial and error has been my best friends.