Gude cams "NOT SO NACHO"

[xbgod]

I'm here to report that we just ran into a issue with the compression of the motor, After installing the Gude head package. It appears to be a overlapping issue of the cams.

Rolo wanted to start the car on the Microtech and see how it responded while waiting on the Haltech. In doing so the car did not want to start, even though there was fuel, air and spark. So after scratching his head and tring to figure out WTF happened he did a compression check on the motor and it was at 55lb across the board. A engine needs a 100lb to start so we knew where the problem was instantly. The head was the only thing changed on this car for this new build.

Bottom end was same as before and ring seal was perfect.

I had 180lb across the board before the "Gude head and Cams"

As you can imagine I'm a little pissed about this but these are things to expect when dealing with something or someone new. "Gude"

Old race head will be back on by Sat. This is the one I've been using for a few years and have had zero issues with. So for all that were interested in it, sorry it's going back on my car.

I haven't called gude yet but I'm sure it will not be worth my time. These are racing parts and like all racing parts it's hard to recupe money on these kinds of parts.

for all those that this is working good on, keep any eye on the valve bucket set-up. That valve-seat tit extender he uses to go under the bucket to get the clearence could become a issue with you daily drivers.

So as it stands right now Bill Gude needs to figure out WTF is going on with his shit. I do not belive any of this stuff was tested properly before it left his shop.

Buyer beware........

So here you guys go, this has been a lesson learned. Untill someone that is reputable makes a kit Like my good friend Brian Crower, stay away.

You can port and polish and install Ferrea valve train just don't do any cam stuff untill a real company can give some hard evidence.

XBG

[hatchbackkid82]

XBG HAS SPOKEN!!!!! :thumbup:

[xbgod]

I'll never give false info when it comes to parts or performance. If it sucks I'll tell you. And if my tunner syas it sucks, belive me........it sucks.

I'll never put out false numbers or performance gains on parts that are just not worth a shit.

This is one time being a gunie-pig did not pay.

Just got texted the Gude head is off my car!

Time to regroup and get it going again.

XBG

[H3LlIoN]

My Gude stuff works great. Question...did you give him specs and ask him to build it, or did he come up with the profile on his own and make it for you?

Call Bill, he's been pretty amicable on the phone as of late. He was more than happy to help out with the minor problems we had upon install.

And if you end up trashing that stuff, PM me before you throw it away.

On another note, I think we're declaring the gude stuff officially "hit or miss" at this point.

[xbgod]

I would say more of a miss. even you had to fabricate some stuff to get the cam gear correct.

I don't belive you should have to refabricate someone elses work when it should work already. Especially this kind of stuff. If it was battery bracket or a catch can, ok I can refab that to fit how I want it.

And after I gave him all my numbers on my motor down to every last detail he figured out what I should need. So these cams were done on his recomendations as per my turbo, compression and so fourth.

I'm not bitter nor will I say he is a total loss of a cam engineer. However I do not think he has the equiptment to pull off a true tested set of cams for this motor. Unlike Jun Performance who has a set-up to test all their cam configureations.

I think Gude has copied alot of cams from other cam company profiles and sells them as his own. Which is why he sells alot of Honda stuff. I think he just got creative and seen he could make a buck on a new product that no one else is doing.

Also after talking with Brian Crower there are reasons that no one is doing these cam profiles for this engine. If the demand was great enough like a 100 or more he would consider doing them. But it will take much more than a new set of cams for this motor. Were talking springs, buckets and possibly new valves instead of those tits Gude puts in a bag to go on top of the valve to fit in the bucket for clearence.

XBG

[Jason@SportsCar]

We had no issues with our cams from Rebello, other than giving up some Tq to make high RPM power. Granted we are using a much more mild setup than you guys, we are limited to .390 lift by SCCA H Prod rules, but it was an easy swap with no crazy machine work or custom cam-gears needed. :iono:

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Damn bro, sorry to hear about that. That's aggravating to pay so much for something that isn't even in the correct spec :mad:

I'm super bummed about the head as well. If it comes off again, let me know the moment it does. I'll always have some money put aside for that goodie :biggrin:

[Parmas]

Please for the sake of all, do a leak down test before you remove the head in order to be sure that the head is the problem.

Also did you replaced the head gasket or re-used the one you had? What head gasket are you using? This could be one of the causes.

Last thing, From my experience, NEVER say it's not my tuner, because like all people, they make mistakes but they do not admit them to prevent bad publicity.

BE SURE YOURSELF IS THE HEAD AND NOT BECAUSE YOUR TUNER SAID SO. DO A LEAKDOWN YOURSELF IF NECESSARY, if when doing the test the air does not leak from the intake nor exhaust ask the tuner if he replaced the headgasket upon install.

[xbgod]

Leakdown was performed. And come-on..really, do you think i'd use a used head gasket.

New steel head gasket from Cometic and new head studs.

wish I had a different answer and didn't narrow it down to the head.

XBG

[Parmas]

That's fine at least I pointed this out to ensure all possibility issues.

What cometic gasket are you using? Is it a custom one or does cometic stock gaskets for our 1NZFE?

What studs did you used on your built?

[xbgod]

Just talked to Bill "Gude" Told him of the issues and right away he went to saying the timming was off and I must of bent valves and thats why the compression is low.

But wait, theres more....................

I then asked him to explain the excessive amount of metal shavings that were found TODAY after inspecting the motor. And since the only thing I did different was put on his head with a bottom end I've been using for the last year I knew it wasn't from there.

But wait there is still more................

Told him the motor never even fired because of lack of compression 55lb across the board and that after even further inspection today all the valves were sticking and not closing.

I went from 180lb across the board to 55lb with the chage of his head. Right now he is speachless and wants me to send the head back to him to inspect and fix.

Still more...............a excessive amount of carbon was also found on the valves because, you know Gude uses stuff from the junk yard to build his heads with.

Would not comment on who actually did the cam regrinds or who in his shop did the head work and assembly.

Here is what you get from Gude head package:

First head comes from junk yard. He then disassembles it cleans it and sends all that used shit out to someone for someone else to redue.

Cams are not ground in-house (will not say who actually did it)

Head work is done in-house by some retard and not him.

Everything about his head package is used shit from the salvage yard, except for the springs. Which he says Eibach makes for him. I'm about to find out if that is even true. Since I got a friend that does all the sponsorship over there.

So what you get gentlemen is a used head with used valves and used cams that get reground and installed with new springs (mabey)

And all that red shit he uses to check for valve fitment causes the valves to stick and not open or close properly.

All these issues were found out today upon further inspection and more investigation.

Bill you fucking Rock :headbang:

Like I want all used recleaned shit from a junk yard in a 20k motor.

I'm just going to get all the pictures from CFT and post all this stuff online to ruine him so others avoid The junk Yard Dog.

XBG

[Jason@SportsCar]

Just talked to Bill "Gude" Told him of the issues and right away he went to saying the timming was off and I must of bent valves and thats why the compression is low.

But wait, theres more....................

I then asked him to explain the excessive amount of metal shavings that were found TODAY after inspecting the motor. And since the only thing I did different was put on his head with a bottom end I've been using for the last year I knew it wasn't from there.

But wait there is still more................

Told him the motor never even fired because of lack of compression 55lb across the board and that after even further inspection today all the valves were sticking and not closing.

I went from 180lb across the board to 55lb with the chage of his head. Right now he is speachless and wants me to send the head back to him to inspect and fix.

Still more...............a excessive amount of carbon was also found on the valves because, you know Gude uses stuff from the junk yard to build his heads with.

Would not comment on who actually did the cam regrinds or who in his shop did the head work and assembly.

Here is what you get from Gude head package:

First head comes from junk yard. He then disassembles it cleans it and sends all that used shit out to someone for someone else to redue.

Cams are not ground in-house (will not say who actually did it)

Head work is done in-house by some retard and not him.

Everything about his head package is used shit from the salvage yard, except for the springs. Which he says Eibach makes for him. I'm about to find out if that is even true. Since I got a friend that does all the sponsorship over there.

So what you get gentlemen is a used head with used valves and used cams that get reground and installed with new springs (mabey)

And all that red shit he uses to check for valve fitment causes the valves to stick and not open or close properly.

All these issues were found out today upon further inspection and more investigation.

Bill you fucking Rock :headbang:

Like I want all used recleaned shit from a junk yard in a 20k motor.

I'm just going to get all the pictures from CFT and post all this stuff online to ruine him so others avoid The junk Yard Dog.

XBG

That sucks. :mad:

[cdydjded]

Well @ this point Ill add I knew this would happen. Gude has been screwing the Honda crowd for years. Im sorry xB that I didnt chime in but most here dont take people experience & their word that things either work or dont work. If you want real head work I have a close freind that works @ Wilson Manifolds, which Im sure you have heard of, that ports heads. As for the valvetrain you can use Ferera. Another option is Rebello which sounds like Jason has had good results with.

[xbgod]

Going to use my Nelson Racing Head that I had done a few years ago which was ported and polished and ran with Ferrea Valves that are +1mm oversized which worked great and produced good results.

So here's where we are:

Nelson Racing Head Ported ,Polished
Ferrea Valves+ 1mm oversized, springs, lockers and retainers
Cometic Steel gasket
Stock Cams

Just had all my stuff cleaned reassembled and assembly-lubed

not to mention had the rest of the motor inspected blown-out and dumped out 50.00 in Eneos oil and 15 K&N oil filter.

All should be back together by the weekend and ready to refire by early next week.

Gude Performance = Lesson learned

XBG

[Parmas]

That's what I call business .....

[ilikerice]

i want to say thank you xbgod. for taking the time and money to try a new head that us low ballers cannot afford to risk. thank you for your posts and your storys. i have been watching all the threads on gude heads since sept. and been waiting patiently for some results. aparently H3lton has had good luck with his.. but yours is a miss.. if its down to a hit or miss 2k head, i dont think the risk is worth it. again. thanks you and hope the rest of your build is a success

[Midnight Drifter]

Helion, not Helton... :D

But yeah, that sucks. XBGod, for reference, is your 'old' (new?) head custom?

[xbgod]

Not even H3lion had real success out of the box. He also had to have a timming gear refabricated to get his set up correct.

Which for over a thousand plus dollars you shouldn't need to do. So in reality there has been no out of the box success.

You guys with no machine-shop access or online shop mechanical guides to use like the repair shops have are left holding the bag and fucked.

Which as a fabricator of racing parts, I think is bullshit. If I sent racing brakes out to customers that didn't work, had to be refabricated or caused other parts to fail..........the company I worked for would be broke from getting sued or out of business.

I gave Bill Gude all the leway in the world with his business practices. Even as far to say "there a family owned business and not always so easy to get with." because of lack of employes.

Well thats no longer an excuese. You have no real employes because any one with half a brain would run the other direction if they had to fix all your problems.

So as it stands there has been no real success with Gude performance other than me getting the info out to you guys and flushing a couple grand down the toilet.

XBG

[hatchbackkid82]

How is Gude still in business!? :eek:

[cdydjded]

How is Gude still in business!? :eek:

Cause there is a sucker born every minute...

[xbgod]

That plus......................

He knows all the right things to say and answer.

It's like the saying "Those that cant do...."Teach"

Belive me I'm coming up with a way to break it off in his ass.

XBG

[Nexus1155]

I feel bad this happened to you, reading in the past and in the back of my mind i thought something would go screwy. I thought you would have better luck than the rest since you have a boosted motor. Seeing all the people on scionlife and the reviews about gude, it seems like the cost was not worth the power or flow given as the 1nz is pretty optimized already?

You can't expect to get a new head and him to do that work for that price though, that much is obvious. A head is a head, mill the surface and I'll use it all day. Even gunked up engines that I have used have lasted over 50k miles with no issues. Your engine won't be clean forever anyways.

I hope he does something to help you out in terms of $$$ or fixing the head for you free of cost and you can either use or sell it. If he does, then props to him, if not then thats just bad business. But damn man, shavings in the engine.... WTF????

[Jason@SportsCar]

Cause there is a sucker born every minute...

There is always plausible deniability... He did not build the entire engine, so he can always pass the blame when questioned, and most people will believe him because it seems like a plausible excuse.

Even our guy tried to blame our tuner for the loss of Tq. When it seems clearly evident, even with the small sampling of modded 1NZE's, that the loss of Tq is a side effect of a cam change that makes high RPM power.

If you don't know the answer, just say you don't know, don't lie or pass the buck.

[xbgod]

funny how people do that.

I didn't even get a word edge-wise with Bill Gude when I told him of the issue. He instantly went to your engine builder did the timming wrong and bent your valves.

Finally he shut -up and I explained to him I been using the same engine builder and Prior to changing the head I had 180lb across the board. I put his Junk Yard Dynamics on and like a Fairy waving her wand.....Boomb goes the Dynamite.......55lb across the board along with shavings in my motor.

He didn't once even say, Shit sorry to hear what happened or I'll send a call tag to bring it back and look at, to get to the bottom of this. God forbid he take responsability for his product and inspect it.

I wouldn't run his shit if it came wraped in 100 dollar bills.

no matter what he does it will remain a boat anchor in my shop for all to see and I will continue to fuck this guy down every chance I get.

XBG

[Blown_xa]

sorry about your misfortune. I have heard so many stories of shadyness in the performance industry, it is sad. I am a firm believer in testing products before they are sold.

Reminds me of an evo I worked on... guy drove from 5 hours away for us to check out a few issues and then tune his car. As soon as i pulled the car in i heard an odd noise from the motor. I then raised the car on the lift while it was running and as i did so the oil pump pulley shot through the timing cover and the timing belt skipped, motor locked.
I then showed the customer, he told me the motor was just built by another shop... needless to say he was upset. he then had me talk to the owner of that shop, very defensive and swore it wasnt their doing and that the pulley couldnt have come off as it comes preassembled on oem oil pump . I ordered new pump, and not to my suprise.....pulley is seperate, you can't even install it with the pulley on anyhow. They either didnt put the nut on, or never torqued it.
shadyness

[hatchbackkid82]

Anyone know if his rap is this bad witht the Honda guys?

[xbgod]

Even worse with them.

Just Google something like, Gude performance sucks for Honda.

And watch all the other forum posts pop up. It's like magic

XBG

[hatchbackkid82]

That's crazy cause i remember Gude being around as early as 2003, and he's been doing this to people for this long. It's only a matter of time before he goes the ZPI route

[scioncrew]

he has been around long. i use to have one of his heads on my 95 Eclipes back then.

[fnkngrv]

just a shit end of the stick all the way around

[xbgod]

Selling the Gude head package I was going to use. Couldn't get the cams to work correctly. Maby you can.

Kit comes with:

Completely ported, polished head
Valves, springs, lockers, seats, retainers all assembled
Race cams

and Big bore T/B

will sell for 450.00 plus freight.

no seperation of parts. head alone is worth 900.00 by it self.

PM me

XBG

[ilikerice]

is it possible to use stock cams, or stock cames that grinded elsewhere on this head? or is specificly cams for that particular head?

[xbgod]

yes, just remove Gude cams and springs and install your stock stuff into the ported head.

[ilikerice]

hells yea.. thats one hell of a deal then.. if i wasnt about to buy new rear tails and also saving up for a LSD and a roll bar, your head (if not sold) is next on my list

[Tamago]

built, not bought (from gude or your tuner) sounds like a much safer solution to your problems.. but you'd have to get your hands actually dirty then...

[xbgod]

Well I say if you got the money, fuck it, let someone else do the work. especially if they got all the tools and you don't have to buy them to do the job.

XBG

[Tamago]

Well I say if you got the money, fuck it, let someone else do the work. especially if they got all the tools and you don't have to buy them to do the job.

XBG

so then why are you even complaining? if you knew how to actually do the work, but paid others to do it, then you deserve whatever they do to you.

[xbgod]

not like I keep a cam grinder on hand you fuck-tard. Doing work and machining work to different things.

[Tamago]

not like I keep a cam grinder on hand you fuck-tard. Doing work and machining work to different things.

you bought an assembled head. this means that: A: your 'tunner' doesn't know how to assemble a head, so you paid this Gude guy to do it for you, or B: you are lying to us about the specs you gave to Gude for your cams, because you've relied on "internet intelligence" to choose the numbers for your lift/duration on your cams.. it sounds like your "tunner" didn't do his job, and you're bouncing back to the yarisworld innanetz to complain.

yarisworld, disregard this assclown... he's spending money, but has no idea why... sad that he spent this much on a 1nz when a little bit of actual innovation would have yielded him over 500whp on the same car (with a 1zz) and a bit of actual innovation.

[xbgod]

The tuner is not responable for building the head. He Tunes you retard!!!!

And the specs were not correct on the cams way too much over lap.

And I now know Gude dosen't even grind the cams himself, he sends them out. And apparently dosen't inspect or check them before sending them out.

You got a answer for everthing don't you. Take your gay MR2 and go to the forum that supports you.

XBG

[xnamerxx]

The tuner is not responable for building the head. He Tunes you retard!!!!

And the specs were not correct on the cams way too much over lap.


XBG


Um dont mean to be a dick but this is a dohc engine with vvti thats all in the setting of the valve timing this isnt a cam for sohc or pushrod engine where the overlap is speced into the grind of the cam. What is the information on the camcard you were given?

[rob323]

Are the valves bent and is that what is causing them to stick?

[xbgod]

Well Gude dosen't give a cam card it's a crap shoot with this retard.

And to answer your question, I haven't even had the time to go back and inspect Gudes crap yet. This weekend I may get a chance to look at it. But fisrt and fore most had to stop a couple of small collant leaks and I had the wastegate made to go to atmosphere now.

XBG

[xnamerxx]

And the specs were not correct on the cams way too much over lap.



XBG


Well Gude dosen't give a cam card it's a crap shoot with this retard.

XBG

How could you possibly know if it had to much overlap if you didn't get a cam card.

[xbgod]

From the engine builder and the tunner comparing the cams and doing the math.

And before you proceed any furether with this, do your self a favor and don't take this down a road your not willing to go down. I know you get what I'm saying.

XBG

[rob323]

Are the valves bent and is that what is causing them to stick?

Do you know of this is the case yet?

[xbgod]

no not yet. The head hasn't been pulled apart enough for examination. At the time it was get the old one back and on to do dyno pulls and get the car running. I'm pursuing this whole head thing and coming up with something reliable and just plain bad ass. It won't be for those not willing to drop some coin but I'm hoping to solve some issues with great resolve with amazing results. Looking at even machining some Titanium cam gears just for G.P.

XBG

[xnamerxx]

From the engine builder and the tunner comparing the cams and doing the math.

And before you proceed any furether with this, do your self a favor and don't take this down a road your not willing to go down. I know you get what I'm saying.

XBG

Really so your "tunner" (spelled tuner btw) compared the cams and did the "math". What math did he do just curious?
The stock engine overlap goes from -2 - 12 degrees of overlap so tell me how does comparing old cams to new ones tell if it has more overlap? The overlap can easily be changed from modifying the vvti settings.
So basically what your saying is someone told you it had to much overlap and you agreed.


Btw making threats on the internet is the behavior of a child.

[xbgod]

No, it's ass-holes like you that need to know everything and need to continue to poke at something.

So untill you can get that Yaris of yours to beat my numbers, you don't need to worry about me.

I'm doing things no one else is even doing. I don't even run vvti. I use an external crank trigger like a regular drag car.

So why don't you take you and your 29 post and go chime in on someone who gives a shit. Your a little late to ring in on my thread.

It was obvious from your previous post you were looking to start something. Just because you cant get your jelly bean to pull off what I did, don't go looking for reasons to hate and make your own ajenda of my success.

Sorry you suck at life.

XBG

[hatchbackkid82]

:eek:

[Shinare]

... Just because you cant get your jelly bean to pull off what I did...

Hey now, nothing wrong with jellybeans.... heh :wink:

[thebarber]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b339/dabarber/rexawesomexk3.jpg

[xbgod]

Guys I'm not bustin on your Yaris's just his. Hell I drive a brick
Just don't need some know it all dick to chime in a day late and a dollar short.
XBG

[cali yaris]

http://erstories.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/yawn.jpg

[xnamerxx]

No, it's ass-holes like you that need to know everything and need to continue to poke at something.

So untill you can get that Yaris of yours to beat my numbers, you don't need to worry about me.

I'm doing things no one else is even doing. I don't even run vvti. I use an external crank trigger like a regular drag car.

So why don't you take you and your 29 post and go chime in on someone who gives a shit. Your a little late to ring in on my thread.

It was obvious from your previous post you were looking to start something. Just because you cant get your jelly bean to pull off what I did, don't go looking for reasons to hate and make your own ajenda of my success.

Sorry you suck at life.

XBG


What does my post count have to do with anything. I don't post unless I need to I understand how to keep my mouth shut instead of letting the garbage continue to fly out.

I bought my yaris as a car to drive every day not one to go fast. I have a second car for that and yes it can "beat your numbers" not really all that hard to do with a v8. Plus your numbers omg you make 380 hp oh nooz I can buy a 20k v6 mustang and slap a 4k supercharger and make 475 your numbers are nothing special outside of the yaris world. The stock yaris has a crank trigger I don't know why that even matters.
Why don't you bring some real tech rather then the "my engine builder/tuner told me" because clearly they are the dogs that caught the car.

I hate people like you because your the reason I don't come to this board. You spout nonsense and lies and people who don't know any better hold you in high regards because they can't tell the wheat from the chaff.

[yaris rs]

Actually, ive seen xnamerx CARS in person ... He personally built a forged engine and makes 400 + rwhp on his mustang. His yaris is fairly stock but your numbers wont count for anything since he will out drive you... He isnt nessesarily a dick, he is just pointing out your mistakes. Getting defensive is an implicit response when people hear the truth. Just saying.

[cdydjded]

No, it's ass-holes like you that need to know everything and need to continue to poke at something.

So untill you can get that Yaris of yours to beat my numbers, you don't need to worry about me.

I'm doing things no one else is even doing. I don't even run vvti. I use an external crank trigger like a regular drag car.

So why don't you take you and your 29 post and go chime in on someone who gives a shit. Your a little late to ring in on my thread.

It was obvious from your previous post you were looking to start something. Just because you cant get your jelly bean to pull off what I did, don't go looking for reasons to hate and make your own ajenda of my success.

Sorry you suck at life.

XBG

Well put! Iv come to the conclusion that I need to have 250-300hp Yaris to vent like you did. Cause I get call a dickhead, obtuse & so forth when I vent. Well done xB!

[rob323]

So far I've seen a lot of emotion in this thread (probably justified as I know I would be pissed if I paid a lot of money for something which was causing so many dramas) and very little (if any) facts.

I'm a technical type person (as I'm guessing xnamerxx is too) and all we want to know is what exactly went wrong. It's how we learn.

Is the base lobe height preventing the valves from fully closing (weird cause you wouldn't have been able to set up the clearances properly if that was the case), or are the valves bent from contact with the pistons (also weird cause anyone that has built engines (especially for a living) always turns them over buy hand to double check timing marks realign themselves and to check for interference. They would also put putty or similar on the pistons to make sure the valves aren't hitting anything they shouldn't be and to see just how far they can adjust the timing of the cams before they start to hit. Especially if the head is a one off, unproven, "Race" spec design. That's just all common sense. Even more so if you are playing with a mega $$ motor.

Maybe it's just my curious nature, but I would also be measuring and recording the opening and closing info of the cams, especially if the supplier has not provided them.

I don't care how much you spend, nor what friends you name drop, nor what kind of car you driver for that matter. I would just like to see less defensive, off topic crap, and more factual data. Surely you realise that if you really wish to discredit Gude, then you should back it up by providing some factual data of what went wrong, or risk getting asked a lot of questions or shot down in flames.

[xbgod]

Go figure a MUSTANG guy. The retards of retards. The shear weight of your car is still to heavy at 3600 lb VS. 2000, my weight makes up for your hp.

And were not talking about v8's are we? I assume you think a 8.8 w/ Clips is better than a nine inch too?

I've been dealing with 10.5 mustang tire class NHRA for years. You guys aren't the sharpest tools in the shead. Thank god for chevrolet guys.

Guy's who buy Mustangs are guys that can't build. Talk about bought not built. Your parts are right on a shelf that someone else has already R&D. WOW. "Let me get in line with the sheep"

And my crank trigger is external, like a drag car. The 1nz-fe is internal for stock applications.

To say I know everyting about everything, Yeah..that would be bullshit. Which is why you sub things out to people that do that specific parts for a living. That would be like saying a Pro-stock guy is a dumb ass because he dosen't do his own head work. Knowing there is only a fist full of guys in the world that can do that work correctly. Your an idiot to think you can do it all and be the best at it. So when I send something out to get done I expect it to be right and ready to go. I don't have the time to sit and do it all my self or the equiptment to figure out all the proper air flow.

A select couple of you think you got it all figured out on everthing. I've got more time on the shitter in the racing world than you have in the seat of a car.

If you think the drivers of these pro teams do the work them selves your an idiot. I treat my car in that same aspect. I do what I'm good at and know whats right and send the rest out to be built. And why not? I can afford to.

Sometimes you just get a part back thats not right, welcome to racing.

Especially a part thats still in the R/D phases. Which is where these cam combinations are still at. Even the guys at JUN performance that have new turbo cams to offer don't know the end results yet.

So go back to your mustang and order your shit from JEGS.

XBG

[xbgod]

and lastly.........I do intend on getting into where the heart of the problem is with the Gude cams and or head. I don't mind spending money but with 1,600 just floating around yeah I want to know as well.

Just kind of dishearting when I put my other head back on and ...........WHAM everything is good to go and cylinder pressure is back to 170 vs. 55 across the board.

I'm not going to post things untill I've got them the way I want. Or untill I have a proof positive answer on the issue. Which on this Gude head looks to be a few issues, not just the cams.

XBG

P.S But in the end I still got my numbers. Like me or hate me I'm still ahead of you on this motor

[cdydjded]

:bellyroll:

[xnamerxx]

Go figure a MUSTANG guy. The retards of retards. The shear weight of your car is still to heavy at 3600 lb VS. 2000, my weight makes up for your hp.

And were not talking about v8's are we? I assume you think a 8.8 w/ Clips is better than a nine inch too?

I've been dealing with 10.5 mustang tire class NHRA for years. You guys aren't the sharpest tools in the shead. Thank god for chevrolet guys.

Guy's who buy Mustangs are guys that can't build. Talk about bought not built. Your parts are right on a shelf that someone else has already R&D. WOW. "Let me get in line with the sheep"

And my crank trigger is external, like a drag car. The 1nz-fe is internal for stock applications.

To say I know everyting about everything, Yeah..that would be bullshit. Which is why you sub things out to people that do that specific parts for a living. That would be like saying a Pro-stock guy is a dumb ass because he dosen't do his own head work. Knowing there is only a fist full of guys in the world that can do that work correctly. Your an idiot to think you can do it all and be the best at it. So when I send something out to get done I expect it to be right and ready to go. I don't have the time to sit and do it all my self or the equiptment to figure out all the proper air flow.

A select couple of you think you got it all figured out on everthing. I've got more time on the shitter in the racing world than you have in the seat of a car.

If you think the drivers of these pro teams do the work them selves your an idiot. I treat my car in that same aspect. I do what I'm good at and know whats right and send the rest out to be built. And why not? I can afford to.

Sometimes you just get a part back thats not right, welcome to racing.

Especially a part thats still in the R/D phases. Which is where these cam combinations are still at. Even the guys at JUN performance that have new turbo cams to offer don't know the end results yet.

So go back to your mustang and order your shit from JEGS.

XBG


You notice throughout this whole thread I have not mentioned once what I drive or how much power I make because its irrelevant.
I don't drag race who cars which rear end is better its not going to help me get around a corner any faster is it.
If you must know my car weighs in a little over 3000 lbs because I drive it on the street and like to keep it as such does it matter no so not sure why your bringing that one up.

Now I've tried to keep things civil but your intent on not letting it be that way. All I've asked for is facts and time after time you do not provide them. I don't name drop because it doesn't matter who I know because those people are not me. If you want me to name drop I work with people who hold "world records" and have held them for decades in racing. I know people who have built Baja 1000 winners does that mean a god damn thing? No because I haven't done those things.
You are an idiot because you have never seen a race team up close "hint I work for one"

There is no reason to run a external crank trigger unless its required by whatever means of ecu your running so again it doesn't matter if its drag or not. Still not sure why you keep bringing that up.

Guess you have never heard of a cam grinder because hey there aren't loads of people out there that know how to grind cams gotta go back to <insert JDM shop name here> because you know only that one shop can design and build cams for every <insert JDM engine>. Guess the people with sebring prepped toyotas and scions had to do to "JUN" because nothing else was ever developed.

Not for once have I ever said I was the best at anything, all I have been asking for is why you keep saying
1. Wrong information
2. Lies
3. Stupid information
Give me a answer to any one of those and i'll be happy. I haven't once said anything bad about what you built only that certain things need to be fixed. You took that as an attack because I guess your used to that kind of thing. "hint if enough people question you at something there's probably a issue"

Btw tell me this why would you release titanium cam gears when the motor will never be able to rev to rpms that require it. Who the fuck is going to buy expensive engine parts when they cant be used. How many idiots will spend thousands of dollars on a 1nz for no performance gain. Well aside from you.

[xbgod]

A race team up close are you serious? We obviously do different racing. Go ahead call NHRA get Jeff Mortan on the phone and drop my name. Or get ahold of Skip Wallace over there. If you know these names then you know how high on the food chain they go.

And race teams, If you know anything about Mustang class then you know of Matt Scranton. Not to mention we, he holds the record for the first Import car to go over 200mph in th 1/4. We did that in the second pass of summit putting up 25,000 to the first pro rear wheel drive import car. I'm sure you seen the Turbonetics celica which then turned into the ride revolutions car as a solarus.

We can do this all day long guy. I lived from track to track for years. and trade show to trade show. So you can bet if I mention a name you can make a call and they know me.

I know drag racing thats what I do.

God I love you know it all's

XBG

[H3LlIoN]

Back on topic, I just want to point out that I trusted Gude to spec my cams and head all on his own without any fancy engine math on my part or a specialized world class tuner, and my car runs great. :iono: Only issue was I had to mill a cam gear b/c I sent him the wrong one in the first place. You sure gude is the problem?

[H3LlIoN]

I know drag racing thats what I do.


Then for the love of god, can I get some effing numbers!?!?! hahah

What do those things even run stock, anyway? I have no idea...


Edit: So far, closest to stock I can find is "1/4 Mile ET:16.854 1/4 Mile MPH:79.730" but the guy had axleback, CAI and underdrives.

Seems close...found a stock posting 16.9 at 79.

[cali yaris]

I don't care how much you spend, nor what friends you name drop, nor what kind of car you driver for that matter. I would just like to see less defensive, off topic crap, and more factual data.

+1 gazoogle billion

[xbgod]

And if you had looked at previus posts you'd see I still haven't gotten to the bottom of the whole head issue.

And sure there are tons of cam grinders out there. Lets see could use Webb, Schneider and so fourth. I'm not really interested in regrinds any more. Hince why my buddy Brian isn't doing them for the 1nz-fe. And this is why JUN is a good choice for new ones.

As far as titanium cam gears go, it would be because I can make them on a CNC my self and have a one off item that is lighter than stock. I do things on this motor for me, not for someone else's benefit.

You get answers when I have all the correct ones. As it stands right now the cams are wrong and the valves are sticking. What else is fucked on this head I don't know without further inspection, which is what I said posts ago. My time is limited so you get information when I have the time to make it happen.

XBG

[xbgod]

Yeah, I'm sure Gude is the problem. Just Google that name and a ton of bad shit comes up. Especially the poor honda guys.

Like I said before, my numbers are good enough for me and no one here has done better. So me taking my time from this point forward, well thats just what it is. I got the numbers so I got all day long to refine my head cam issues and then come forward with some new results at my convience. Not like anyone is barking at my heels right now with better power on this motor.

XBG

[H3LlIoN]

Yeah, I'm sure Gude is the problem. Just Google that name and a ton of bad shit comes up. Especially the poor honda guys.
XBG


I don't need google...I have my own results to go on. I will say that the whole process had both good and bad points. I will concede that I probably wouldn't do it again, but that's because I am not planning on staying with the 1nz, and I've also found someone local that is willing to let me work hands on so that I can learn how to actually do the work, instead of just talking about it (which is all I currently can do.)

Like I said before, my numbers are good enough for me and no one here has done better. So me taking my time from this point forward, well thats just what it is. I got the numbers so I got all day long to refine my head cam issues and then come forward with some new results at my convience. Not like anyone is barking at my heels right now with better power on this motor.

XBG

Hahah your days are numbered, Ichiman! You're only in the lead by 18hp.

[xbgod]

Yeah..............

BUT I'm still in the lead. :biggrin:

[KCALB SIRAY]

shwoo, Bueller must have relocated the Bitch, Rant, and Complain thread. Glad I found it.

[xnamerxx]

A race team up close are you serious? We obviously do different racing. Go ahead call NHRA get Jeff Mortan on the phone and drop my name. Or get ahold of Skip Wallace over there. If you know these names then you know how high on the food chain they go.

And race teams, If you know anything about Mustang class then you know of Matt Scranton. Not to mention we, he holds the record for the first Import car to go over 200mph in th 1/4. We did that in the second pass of summit putting up 25,000 to the first pro rear wheel drive import car. I'm sure you seen the Turbonetics celica which then turned into the ride revolutions car as a solarus.

We can do this all day long guy. I lived from track to track for years. and trade show to trade show. So you can bet if I mention a name you can make a call and they know me.

I know drag racing thats what I do.

God I love you know it all's

XBG

Ok so you know people wow amazing. Does that mean anything no. I don't drag race I don't care about drag racing. I see you can google people nice work so how does that have anything to do with you. Again I dont care about drag racing so I don't care about drag cars. My life doesn't involve magazines.
So since your such a amazing internet drag racer what records do YOU hold?
Since your name should be so well known I missed the memo and don't know your name.

You keep skirting the issue and going off topic. You haven't explained anything.

[cali yaris]

Not like anyone is barking at my heels right now with better power on this motor.

:rolleyes:

[xbgod]

Cali, you don't count. I expect you to be there.

And for you Mr. "I don't stop to read" I just explained what I was doing to put out information on my head cam issue.

And you think I had to google those names? You are an ass-clown..Call'em Get Jeff on the phone from NHRA Tell him Aras from Aerospace Components said hello. The difference with my name droping, I actually know these people.

You can call me on the carpet when ever you want. I've sponsored so many cars through Aerospace Components via NHRA there is almost no one I don't know in this industry.

I don't hold any records, never said I did. I'm just the money man MF. Don't need to hold any records. I just like doing things people say can't be done.

Like the first 200mph import drag car that summit didn't think could be done in the first season.

XBG

[xbgod]

And why your on-line go ahead and google my name Aras with Aerospace Components and see what comes up. Then plug in Aerospace components with Matt scrantons name and see what comes up. You'll see all that I've done.

I don't need to make up anything

[Shinare]

LEEEEEROOOOOOY JEEEEEENNNNNNNKKKKKKIIIIIIINNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! !!!

[xbgod]

The aerospace site directly insn't an issue. I did see what your looking at. It appears to be a sub link through some media on line magazine.

[KCALB SIRAY]

Cali, you don't count. I expect you to be there.

And for you Mr. "I don't stop to read" I just explained what I was doing to put out information on my head cam issue.

And you think I had to google those names? You are an ass-clown..Call'em Get Jeff on the phone from NHRA Tell him Aras from Aerospace Components said hello. The difference with my name droping, I actually know these people.

You can call me on the carpet when ever you want. I've sponsored so many cars through Aerospace Components via NHRA there is almost no one I don't know in this industry.

I don't hold any records, never said I did. I'm just the money man MF. Don't need to hold any records. I just like doing things people say can't be done.

Like the first 200mph import drag car that summit didn't think could be done in the first season.

XBG

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