Tires Worn already?

[yaris2010RS]

so today i am sitting in my dealership getting my 32000km service. now since i had a dash issues before, my car only says i have 29xxxKm on it but in actuality it has close to 40,000km on it.

the service advisor just walked up to me and said my tires are warn. apparently the rear tires are warn down to the stops and the front tires do not have much to go before they reach their stops also. i have never done a tire rotation on the car so can someone please explain to me how the hell my rear tires wore out before my fronts? i can understand the fronts getting messed up, i have done quick accelerating and burnouts and squeels but i have never drifted on dry pavement (or even wet, i only drift on ice or snow and even then not much)

looking at my car i have always thought my rear wheels were angled in and my front pulls all over the road.....WTF!! lol, im so pissed off. he told me it will cost $482 for new tires, im assuming it would include instalation.

so basically im wondering if i should get my alignment checked and go from there to figure out how my tires got so warn or if i just need to suck it up as OEM tires wear poorly?

how long do most people get out of the OEM tires? i was hoping atleast 60xxx on them

[Yaristeve]

First of all, don't ever buy tires from a car dealer.

Next, it is very odd for your rears to wear before the fronts. If your rear suspension needs alignment, something is bent since the Yaris has a solid axle.

If your alignment is bad, then tires will wear in as little 10,000miles. So, go to your local tire store, have them check to see if the wear bars are showing. If they are, buy a new set of tires, get an alignment, and consider it a (somewhat expensive) lesson...

[SilverBack]

You're at about 25K miles, so this is normal. Cheap econo tires don't last very long. Mine were down to the bars by 30K, and I was driving normally the whole time. Better to pay a little extra and get more tire-life.

And yes, do opt for an alignment once the new ones are installed

[Shinare]

I had to replace all 4 of my factory tires at ~40k miles.

Problem was that the dealership the car was purchased from included "lifetime tire replacement" as an incentive for the sale and I completely forgot about it. I only remembered a couple months after buying new tires and mounting them. That was a homer simpson "DOH!" moment if I've ever seen one.

[41magmag41]

I made it to 52000 miles with the orginial tires and now I'm at 92000 miles. Tires are in good shape and I've never had the car aligned. I agree with yaristeve that it is odd for the rear tires to wear out before the fronts on a front drive car. Better to have it aligned and find out if there are problems that you can correct.

I'm wondering if you bought this car new or used. Why would you have odometer reading problems that should have been corrected under warranty. Sounds like a used car that was in an accident, rear ended via the rear tires wearing before the fronts, then fixed, poorly, and sold. Did you run a car fax on the car if you bought it used?

good luck.

[swidd]

I destroyed my set of tires in 40,000 miles or so, because I didn't get an alignment. One side of both front tires were barely worn at all, and the inside of the tire was worn to below the wear bars - I didn't notice until I had a free brake inspection and the people there took me out to the car and showed me the tires when off the vehicle, It was hard to see while they were mounted.

[Kal-El]

The stock Bridgestone Potenzas are pure garbage (not sure if the OP has these or the GoodYears Eagle's (equally crappy). The Bridgestone's are warranted to 40,000 miles.

Oddly enough, the Potenza's are expensive. :iono: $101 on Tire Rack. You can get tires that will last twice as long, and perform twice as good for about $60.

Look at the pathetic reviews from owners...

(click on surveys tab on each link below)

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+RE92&partnum=86TR5RE92V2&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Toyota&autoYear=2007&autoModel=Yaris%20Sedan&autoModClar=

:eek: :thumbdown:

For survey comparison, here's some General Altimax for $67 (which I bought)
and these are rated at 55,000 miles.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Altimax+HP&partnum=86HR5AMAXHPXL&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Toyota&autoYear=2007&autoModel=Yaris%20Sedan&autoModClar=

[fearturtle44]

What! Toyota did not put expensive tires on the Yaris? C'mon people, of course Toyota is going to put average at best tires on this car. That is why this car is very inexpensive. But as others indicate do NOT buy tires from the dealer. When I replace mine, the dealer wanted $200 more than the tire store I eventually used.

[WeeYari]

I'm wondering if you bought this car new or used. Why would you have odometer reading problems that should have been corrected under warranty. Sounds like a used car that was in an accident, rear ended via the rear tires wearing before the fronts, then fixed, poorly, and sold. Did you run a car fax on the car if you bought it used?

good luck.

His car is new, he had an issue with original gauge cluster, got replaced, hence discrepancy between indicated and actual mileage on the vehicle. It's in his first sentence.

My OEM Potenza's were shot well before I replaced them at ~60,000 kms. They appear to have the wear characteristics of HP tires, meaning they are relatively soft and quick to wear down.

Time to start reading all of the various tire recommendation and review threads on here and figure out what your replacements will be.

And to the OP, the word is WORN

[auxmike]

Worn

[Kal-El]

What! Toyota did not put expensive tires on the Yaris? C'mon people, of course Toyota is going to put average at best tires on this car. That is why this car is very inexpensive. But as others indicate do NOT buy tires from the dealer. When I replace mine, the dealer wanted $200 more than the tire store I eventually used.

Problem is, is that the OEM tires are expensive. See my post before yours. Tire Rack has the best prices and they are still $101 each for the Yaris size. Yet they are among the lowest rated in the industry. You shouldn't pay more than about $75 each for a 15" tire unless you want to waste money on Michelins.

The automakers however work out deals with the tire companies of course and buy massive quantities. Bridgestone is one of the most common OEM brands and they probably give the automakers a great deal.

There's just so many far superior tires that are between $55 & $75 out there that these Bridgestone's are laughable at there retail price point.

[WeeYari]

It just occurred to me that the OP has an RS so he is probably on Goodyear rubber.

Edit: yep, he is http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=524763&postcount=1

[yaris2010RS]

lol, thanks all for your posts (and my spelling correction), i've always known from before never to buy things from a dealer, so i know i would never buy tires from them.

yes, as weeyari confirmed i do have OEM goodyears

car has never been rearended nor even hit a curb so i find it very odd how off my rear alignment is off. but as many of u said too, it is about average time to replace (km wise), and i looked at the tires myself, fronts i am not worried about at all, they still have a lot of life in my personal opinion, but the rears have quite a bit less.

and like weeyari said too, i got my car from new and the original dash "gave up" and stopped counting my milage and showing my speed so it was replaced by Toyota and they did not bother making the note of added km (that dash only showed about 5xxxkm on it but since it took them about a month too get the new dash i figure its very close to 9000km or even 10

[nemelek]

Just did another rotation at 25,000 miles. Probably will get over 50k on the Bridgestones.

[thebarber]

1. don't buy tires from the dealer.

2. buy some snow tires/rims

3. search kijiji in the GTA for tires

4. if you want/need them, i have some used 14" steelies w/ snows on them that'd last you the winter for $100, if you come out to get them ill even put them on your car for you, and im off all week.

[yaris2010RS]

lol, thanks barber. but im not too concerned yet, they still have enough life for the winter and i will probably push them till next fall.

[1NZYaris1]

lol, thanks barber. but im not too concerned yet, they still have enough life for the winter and i will probably push them till next fall.

And from past knowledge you will be the first to moan when you have
crashed your car due to lack of tyre tread and traction :cool:
Thats real bright right there :bow:

[yaris2010RS]

And from past knowledge you will be the first to moan when you have
crashed your car due to lack of tyre tread and traction :cool:
Thats real bright right there :bow:

i have actually been in an accident before due to dead tires. i can drive my yaris with drift tires across ice, it is my baby and if i feel the slightest danger i slow right down and drive the way i have taught myself i should. on the other hand, my yaris being my baby does not make my walet deeper, still got bills to pay and i do not see a way to get new tires till around spring.

[thebarber]

i do not see a way to get new tires till around spring.

snow tires

on rims

$100

my house

[slow.yaris]

i have never done a tire rotation on the car so can someone please explain to me how the hell my rear tires wore out before my fronts?

You should have rotated twice and balanced once, at least, if not more than that. Strange tire wear should be expected if you don't rotate, and ya the rears can go faster. Also, nothing unbalances a wheel faster than burnouts.

[krolos]

Ya the stock tires are low mileage tires I had mine changed out at 38 k not much thread left, I got some
Toyo winter tires on now but in spring will get some high mileage All seasons put on.

[yaris2010RS]

now everyone keeps saying stocks are shitty and will wear faster, but my tires only have between 38000 and 39000 km on it, that means ~23000 - 25000 miles. that seems very shitty......

i am really tempted to go to toyota and get my alignment checked (hopefully i can convince them for free) cuz i do not understand how my rear end basically dog legs across the road and eats the tires....

[41magmag41]

His car is new, he had an issue with original gauge cluster, got replaced, hence discrepancy between indicated and actual mileage on the vehicle. It's in his first sentence.

My OEM Potenza's were shot well before I replaced them at ~60,000 kms. They appear to have the wear characteristics of HP tires, meaning they are relatively soft and quick to wear down.

Time to start reading all of the various tire recommendation and review threads on here and figure out what your replacements will be.

And to the OP, the word is WORN


Never says he bought the car new just that he had dash issues. And the dealer can reset the mileage on new dash units to orginial mileage so there is no change in the mileage.

[thebarber]

Never says he bought the car new just that he had dash issues. And the dealer can reset the mileage on new dash units to orginial mileage so there is no change in the mileage.

he bought his car new...he has a whole thread of him waiting for it to arrive

[Perpetuous_Dreamer]

Have 63000 miles on stock tires and still good for another 10-20K, but I do rotatioin once in 8000 miles:smile:

[MUSKOKA800]

lol, thanks barber. but im not too concerned yet, they still have enough life for the winter and i will probably push them till next fall.

Tell me you're not going to drive through the winter on Goodyear LS.
It only took 1/4" of snow for me to see the light and bolt up some winter boots. I honestly thought I'd not make it home from work. Brampton to Burlington due to zero grip and a hilly route.

[GanjaBabe420]

I have pretty crappy tires that came with my Yaris, that I bought brand new at the dealership. 3 out of 4 of my tires have had a nail in them! So now its about time I get new ones, but which kind?

[yaris2010RS]

he bought his car new...he has a whole thread of him waiting for it to arrive

LMFAO.....

Never says he bought the car new just that he had dash issues. And the dealer can reset the mileage on new dash units to orginial mileage so there is no change in the mileage.

i was told by dealer to ahve it changed they would have to send it away and it wasnt worth it (for the 4xxx that the dash showed, unknown that it was about 9000)

[41magmag41]

he bought his car new...he has a whole thread of him waiting for it to arrive

No where in this thread has he mentioned that he bought the car new. Maybe in a former thread but how the hell am I suppose to know, look at every thread in the history of the blog.

[daf62757]

I have 43,000 miles on my Yaris and my tires still look almost brand new. I did rotate my tires before the beginning of summer as the fronts had a little wear on them. I thought about getting new tires but its just stupid to pay for new tires when the OEMs will last a good while.

Not sure why some are getting such poor performance from the OEM tires. I have the Bridgestone OEMs, maybe there are other providers to Toytoa.

Some of you guys drive with more PSI than the tire is rated for and that might cause premature wear.

[slow.yaris]

I have 43,000 miles on my Yaris and my tires still look almost brand new. I did rotate my tires before the beginning of summer as the fronts had a little wear on them. I thought about getting new tires but its just stupid to pay for new tires when the OEMs will last a good while.

Not sure why some are getting such poor performance from the OEM tires. I have the Bridgestone OEMs, maybe there are other providers to Toytoa.

Some of you guys drive with more PSI than the tire is rated for and that might cause premature wear.

Overinflation could be a cause, but I'm guessing 43000 on an 09 means mostly highway, which gets you the most miles out of your tires(no sharp turns).

[yaris2010RS]

^^ hey hey hey u too, are u trying to steal my thread? lol, jksjks.

just an update, i know this will probably be old news to most of u, toyota employees are about as dumb as they get.... (sorry to anyone who works at toyota, maybe u work at a good dealership)

i looked at my front tires and they are very good, i can get another 25000km on them without getting to the stops without issue, now the rears on the otherhand have about half of that of the fronts. i will be going by toyota hopefully with in the next week and getting the rear of my car diagnosed.

[sickpuppy1]

I rotate mine in the garage every other oil change. Granted I have an air wrench for the lug nuts. But it takes about 10 minutes for me to do all 4, considering jacking up the car and such. Makes a big difference in tire wear. My OEM Goodyears look like new at 15k miles

[WeeYari]

Hmmm....j/k :biggrin: :wink:

[nemelek]

Looks fun. I was practicing some snow cornering this morning.

[bankrobber]

The stock Bridgestone Potenzas are pure garbage (not sure if the OP has these or the GoodYears Eagle's (equally crappy). The Bridgestone's are warranted to 40,000 miles.

Oddly enough, the Potenza's are expensive. :iono: $101 on Tire Rack. You can get tires that will last twice as long, and perform twice as good for about $60.

Look at the pathetic reviews from owners...

(click on surveys tab on each link below)

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Potenza+RE92&partnum=86TR5RE92V2&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Toyota&autoYear=2007&autoModel=Yaris%20Sedan&autoModClar=

:eek: :thumbdown:

For survey comparison, here's some General Altimax for $67 (which I bought)
and these are rated at 55,000 miles.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=General&tireModel=Altimax+HP&partnum=86HR5AMAXHPXL&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=Toyota&autoYear=2007&autoModel=Yaris%20Sedan&autoModClar=

I still have OEM tires on the rear. I think I rotated twice since new. I now have 104,000 miles on the rear stock tires. I did a lot of highway miles on them. I got around 60,000 or more on the fronts. The rear tires are close to the wear bars. The Bridgestone are excellent tires. I plan to get another 5k miles on the rear tires then replace with the fuel saver tires.
110,000 miles is hard to beat on the Bridgestones. I ran 32 pounds in the tires. Maybe you ran with too much air in the tires

[daf62757]

Overinflation could be a cause, but I'm guessing 43000 on an 09 means mostly highway, which gets you the most miles out of your tires(no sharp turns).

True....I do mainly interstate driving....probably 70/30, but I also over inflate too.

[daf62757]

Hmmm....j/k :biggrin: :wink:


So with all this light snow....was the photo taken in October.....or May?

[WeeYari]

^ photo is actually one of the OP's own pics, taken from another thread.

I just found some light irony in him posting about tire wear, shortly after he had posted up pics of him having some parking lot fun.

[yaris2010RS]

lmfao weeyari

that was basically the first and only snow fall we have gotten this year and i had to have some fun.

as for tire pressure i checked it the other day and it was at about 25, so i topped it up and put it to 35.

[WeeYari]

Check your previous service records.

A to-do item in every service is 'Examine tires for damage and wear, check & adjust pressure. Rotate tires if needed.'

Since I assume you are following Toyota recommended maintenance schedules, chances are your tires have been rotated, even though you claim you've not done it yourself.

[yaris2010RS]

i have seen it say check tires for wear and pressure but the other day when i finally checked it myself i could tell it hasnt been checked since i got my car.

but u are correct they may have been rotated. i will check my records they may have been rotated before

[MadMax]

I have pretty crappy tires that came with my Yaris, that I bought brand new at the dealership. 3 out of 4 of my tires have had a nail in them! So now its about time I get new ones, but which kind?

Go to Discount Tire, they have the best prices and customer service in town. I can't recommend them enough, they've been taking care of our vehicles for years and I have yet to have a bad experience with them.

Being that you live in San Antonio, there should be one within four or five blocks of you! :biggrin:

Cheers! M2

[p123456789]

I have the bridgestone insignias on mine (were on there when I bought the car) and I hope they wear out fast because they have the worst traction in rain than any other tire I've ever driven on. You can't go past half throttle in the rain at all or you'll loose traction. I'm actually thinking about buying new tires even though mine are at 7/32's.

[bankrobber]

I have BFG All terrain and from a dead stop in the rain I can spin them easy. I stopped on a hill last week and actually got the front end sideways. The 5 speed will spin without trying. I believe it has more to do with the light weight of the car rather than the tires.

[MUSKOKA800]

Nobody in there right mind would invest in replacement Goodyear LS's.
Start studying the alternatives. None could be any more useless.

[yaris2010RS]

so i removed my tires to put on my winters and i took this pictures of the rear wheel. the front wheels were worn fairly evenly (a tiny bit more of the inner wheels but nothing drastic) as for the rears, the outter edges of the wheels were used drastically more then the inner edge. i dont know exactly what this meas but it was so bad they wouldnt stand up straight on there own.


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[GanjaBabe420]

I wish it snowed in Texas!!! looks fun! :)

[yaris2010RS]

I wish it snowed in Texas!!! looks fun! :)

it is :)

[GanjaBabe420]

It actually "snowed" here a few days ago but it was late so I didn't have time to take my car out for a spin. Haha

[Garrick]

Hi,
I think you should accept the barber's offer of 14 inches tires. In this way you can save money also as you stated, a lot of bills have to be paid yet, so its better to get these tires and i hope this would be a good deal.
thanks

[07 flint mica]

Tires should be rotated every 6,000 miles and tire pressure should not be over 37psi for optimal tire life. Sometimes the repair facility will recommend more frequent rotations to generate more profit per visit which will cause premature tire wear.

[SailDesign]

Tires should be rotated every 6,000 miles and tire pressure should not be over 37psi for optimal tire life. Sometimes the repair facility will recommend more frequent rotations to generate more profit per visit which will cause premature tire wear.

Very curious as to the reasoning behind frequent rotation causing excess wear... Do elaborate.

[07 flint mica]

I personally work in the auto industry. Sometimes tire rotations are sold when they are not necessary which wears out tires prematurely. If you stick to the auto industry standard (6,000 miles) you will achieve the best average tread life. For example: if Mr Jones comes in for a service at 3,000 miles (oil change tire rotation). after that he waits 3 months but only drives 1000 miles and then receives a letter/phone call from the dealer/repair facility that it is time for the next service (i.e. 12 month or 10,000 mile service). The customer comes in and performs the 10,000 mile service 4,000 miles to early. if this trend continues his tires will be worn out before 20,000 miles

[SailDesign]

I personally work in the auto industry. Sometimes tire rotations are sold when they are not necessary which wears out tires prematurely. If you stick to the auto industry standard (6,000 miles) you will achieve the best average tread life. For example: if Mr Jones comes in for a service at 3,000 miles (oil change tire rotation). after that he waits 3 months but only drives 1000 miles and then receives a letter/phone call from the dealer/repair facility that it is time for the next service (i.e. 12 month or 10,000 mile service). The customer comes in and performs the 10,000 mile service 4,000 miles to early. if this trend continues his tires will be worn out before 20,000 miles

Ummm... That is like saying that a bottle of milk is used up depending on how many times the fridge door is opened, whether you drink from it or not.

Tires do not wear according to how many times they are rotated, they wear according to how many miles they have done, and on which end of the car they are (if you don't rotate them).

[07 flint mica]

Ummm... That is like saying that a bottle of milk is used up depending on how many times the fridge door is opened, whether you drink from it or not.

Tires do not wear according to how many times they are rotated, they wear according to how many miles they have done, and on which end of the car they are (if you don't rotate them).

Try it and prove me wrong

[SailDesign]

Try it and prove me wrong

Believe me, after 40 years of driving, I have already done that.

[41magmag41]

Believe me, after 40 years of driving, I have already done that.

Ditto and plus 1

[Hershey]

The EAGLE LS from the 2010 3 door are down to 8/32s ( used for rear ) and 6/32s ( used for front ) at around 10,000 miles of use since bought new in mid January , 2010 . This includes use of snowtires for the past 2 winters . The snow tires were installed the day we picked it up new in mid JANUARY 2010 until about mid April and then snows installed again mid Novemeber 2010 . They EAGLES LS take place of the snows in a day or so . They were also rotated once . That's not so good for tread life . They start at 10/32's .

[yaris2010RS]

to sum up the my original issue, the rear tires on my car definatly had a huge toe-in. it was significant enough that if u looked from the rear of the car u could tell the rear tires were toed in.


this toe was definatly caused by lowering the car the amount i did. i noticed with the stock suspension back in for the winter the toe-in look was gone and my winter tires showed no unusual wear patterns.

i lowered the car a little more this year then last year and doing the rear suspension mod seemed to have fixed the rear toe-in issue. the new rims and tires i have mounted show no unusual wear as of yet and there is no toe-in look.

[Garrick]

some tyres are available in the market that are save from punctures!
used these tires and increase the life of your vahicals!

National Geographic (http://a2livetv.com/entertainment/national-geographic-channel/)

[b20vteg]

some tyres are available in the market that are save from punctures!
used these tires and increase the life of your vahicals!

National Geographic (http://a2livetv.com/entertainment/national-geographic-channel/)

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