Turbo Toyota Echo

[Scubaru Steve]

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So this is my girlfriends car, shes had the echo for 4 years now. got this greddy turbo kit off of bluevitz,

its running a 300xz intercooler, custom intake and charge piping, greddy t14 turbo and cast manifold, greddy downpipe that is heat wrapped, and emanage blue.

things needed to be changed are the emanage, and going to get an ssqv bov, to much compressor surge with the current one.

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[Tamago]

do the pink wheels make it faster?

[pimp my yaris]

cool! How much boost?

[Scubaru Steve]

wastegate is set to 5psi, on the highway we see 6-7 from the extra load.
im having alot of trouble with this emanage.. im starting to absoloutly hate it.
it also may be the stock ecu but im not sure.

put an aem ugeo in the other day,
it seems that after 3000rpm and full throttle we peg out the afrs to 10, so im not sure where it is going to, so we have a flooding/bogging issue. i have tried backing the fueling off with the emanage but it doesnt seem to do anything, the stock computer i think is also trying to compensate for that too, under 2000rpm we are at 16-17 afr. ander cruising the afr's sweep from low 14's to high 15's.

on the plus side, under part throttle it holds a consistent 12-13afr and a ton of torque.

im thinking i need the aem fic and hopefuly it can clear all this up.
any one know if the fic will work on an auto trans? or if anyone makes
a plug and play harness for an 02 echo?

we are also running stock exhaust, priced out out at a local shop, 2inch piping, 24inch resinator, and a straight through magnaflow muffler.
and that intercooler in the picture thats sitting in the trunk needs to go on as well.
the girly likes pink so i got her pink rims, and for making it faster yes, we run 205's over the stock 175's, grips alot better.

[Tamago]

wastegate is set to 5psi, on the highway we see 6-7 from the extra load.
im having alot of trouble with this emanage.. im starting to absoloutly hate it.
it also may be the stock ecu but im not sure.

put an aem ugeo in the other day,
it seems that after 3000rpm and full throttle we peg out the afrs to 10, so im not sure where it is going to, so we have a flooding/bogging issue. i have tried backing the fueling off with the emanage but it doesnt seem to do anything, the stock computer i think is also trying to compensate for that too, under 2000rpm we are at 16-17 afr. ander cruising the afr's sweep from low 14's to high 15's.

on the plus side, under part throttle it holds a consistent 12-13afr and a ton of torque.

im thinking i need the aem fic and hopefuly it can clear all this up.
any one know if the fic will work on an auto trans? or if anyone makes
a plug and play harness for an 02 echo?

we are also running stock exhaust, priced out out at a local shop, 2inch piping, 24inch resinator, and a straight through magnaflow muffler.
and that intercooler in the picture thats sitting in the trunk needs to go on as well.
the girly likes pink so i got her pink rims, and for making it faster yes, we run 205's over the stock 175's, grips alot better.

PM chinocharles. i sold him a hacked PnP greddy harness that i modified to work with the AEM FIC.

it's for a scion xA/xB, 5spd, so you may need to cut some connections and move wires. but it's better than spending $$$$ for a boomslang and have it be wrong anyway (due to the fact you're in an automatic)

i used an FIC as well, had a greddy, used it once, got rid of it. FIC was much easier to work with/tune, etc. make sure you're tricking the AFR's going back into the stock ECU or you'll never get rid of your bogging problem. you want the stock ECU to think the car's running 14.7:1 even when it's not, and adjust fueling with the MAF (IMO). the issue will be closed loop tuning, as the car is VERY sensitive to slight changes during closed loop. i was able to dial in open loop tuning to a rock steady AFR, but always struggled with closed loop.

what injectors are you using, and how much timing are you pulling? i ended up pulling out less than 1deg of timing on a cool (large turbo) air charge. the car ran great, and is still running great off-boost. i ran 9-10psi on a daily basis.

these were my numbers on a blown TD04 (i swapped in a VF39 from an STI and the car was MUCH faster)
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[ilikerice]

just a thought.. what spark gap are your plugs set at? the boost could be blowing ur spark out under WOT. i know the .44 is a bit too wide for boosted cars. i had a similar problem on my crx. i set them at .22

[Scubaru Steve]

i wonder if the connectors are the same on the xb and an 02 echo, i have no problem with changing the wires, i had to tap into the stock harness for the emanage.

the emanage has no control for timing. isnt closed loop tuning used for only wot? and open is for everything else is it not? and the aem wideband can send signals to the fic? oh and the stock injectors seem to be doing fine, if we have 5psi and flooding the engine at the red line.

i have a td04 and a vf24 siting around, i wonder if it will fit on the greddy manifold. mmm ball bearing.

as for the plug gap, i dont remember what that was set to, i do know they are 1 step colder plugs.

[Tamago]

WOT is open loop, closed loop is when the ECU actually requests information from the sensors before making decisions.

[Scubaru Steve]

i have found an fic for 300 shipped, gonna pick it up next week,
just need to find an extension harness... i have looked at the clips on the xb,
doesnt look like it will work :( im not excited to wire this while laying under the dash.

if anyone has tricks for tuning the fic please let me know.

[slow.yaris]

I'd start with getting that intake(actually everything) mandrel bent instead of cut and welded. No way you're getting smooth intake flow.

[Scubaru Steve]

I'd start with getting that intake(actually everything) mandrel bent instead of cut and welded. No way you're getting smooth intake flow.

if you dont think it is smooth air flow you need to see it in person, 15 degree pie cuts, a tig wielder and a file can go along way. the piping is all getting powder coated after we stick in the bigger front mount.

[slow.yaris]

if you dont think it is smooth air flow you need to see it in person, 15 degree pie cuts, a tig wielder and a file can go along way. the piping is all getting power coated after we stick in the bigger front mount.

Even if the inside is smoother than glass, you can still have laminar flow problems.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

if anyone has tricks for tuning the fic please let me know.

Unplug the AFR sensor and tune in open loop.

Constant CEL, but tuning doesn't get any easier or more straightforward.

[Tamago]

i have found an fic for 300 shipped, gonna pick it up next week,
just need to find an extension harness... i have looked at the clips on the xb,
doesnt look like it will work :( im not excited to wire this while laying under the dash.

if anyone has tricks for tuning the fic please let me know.

did you completely ignore my post saying that chinocharles has exactly what you need ?

[Tamago]

if you dont think it is smooth air flow you need to see it in person, 15 degree pie cuts, a tig wielder and a file can go along way. the piping is all getting power coated after we stick in the bigger front mount.

your piping is beautiful. you and i know this :) don't let the mandrelman drag you down

[Scubaru Steve]

did you completely ignore my post saying that chinocharles has exactly what you need ?

thanks about the piping,
yes i tried, he is not on yaris world, and i found him on micro image by fluke, have not herd a response yet.
the thing is im trying to see if the pins connectors are the same for the echo and the xb, im starting to think they are not :frown:

[Tamago]

thanks about the piping,
yes i tried, he is not on yaris world, and i found him on micro image by fluke, have not herd a response yet.
the thing is im trying to see if the pins connectors are the same for the echo and the xb, im starting to think they are not :frown:

did you download the echo and xA electrical manuals? you can find the differences immediately.

i'm not gonna spoon feed you on this one. i have both diagrams, so i want to see if you can figure it out :wink:

btw, left chino a message to contact you.

[Scubaru Steve]

that was my problem, im looking for an xb....
i have my diagram for the echo, mine is to-06
and as per this link its not gonna work...

http://www.clubxb.com/forums/f66/03-06-xb-greddy-s-c-33654-2.html

http://www.powerenterpriseusa.net/products/electric/camcon/images/camcon_t_japan-wiring.gif

[Tamago]

what will you have to modify to make it work?

[Scubaru Steve]

i sent out an email to boomslang to see if they have anything close that may work, see if they respond tomorrow. id need male and female ecu connectors and a lot of 12 inch wires with pins... lol.
or continue to hack the stock ecu harness which i started with the e-manage.
if only we had an 03 echo...

[Scubaru Steve]

im guessing its not the same pinout that you have on the xa is it?

[Bluevitz-rs]

Have you tried running under the stock ECU alone and see what the AFR are? After I took the turbo off I tried going around the block with the emanage hooked up with no boost and STILL had the same bogging after 3000RPM. I unhooked it and gained like 20hp.

Also, if you're using those plugs I sent with the kit, I just took them out of the pack and put them in. So they're still the stock gap.

Glad to see the project up here :w00t:

[Scubaru Steve]

no i havnt tried, id only have to unplug the emanage and close the circuit on the maf since it would get no signal. im going to have gap those plugs then, the ngk's dont come pre-gaped, all the updates will be on this forum since its a bit more active.

as for the harness, boomslang replied to my email, they can get me a harness for 199, pnp aem for 299.
so i know where im getting my harness from!

hopefully get the harness and fic soon!

[Tamago]

is 3 hours of your time worth $300?

i hope not.. you can make your own harness for much less if you're not afraid of a soldering iron and some shrink tube.

[Scubaru Steve]

i will at least get the extension, i'm debating on the pnp or not, i hate solding and wiring. we will see i guess.

[Scubaru Steve]

ordered the fic, here in a week. :thumbup: now just the harness.

[Yoda]

gratz what price was it?

[Scubaru Steve]

gratz what price was it?

$350cdn, i found prices for 298 in the states, but after shipping taxes and duties it would be well over that.
i also re routed maf wires and pvc lines so that the stock plastic engine cover can fit back on, does it ever make everything look much cleaner! pics up later.

[TRD_Turbo_Yazza]

get a c-one management system should sort it out or try get the TRD turbo upgrade i am currently programming a supra single turbo to go on the yaris 1.5 turbo to give more boost so i will let yu know if it works to sort your prob out mate

[Scubaru Steve]

the ct-26?... thats going to be a large turbo for a 1.5, the boost threshold may be kind of high but the added flow will make for lots of top end power.

i already ordered the aem fic, should solve all my tuning issues and give me something to mess with to always try to perfect the tune.

[Scubaru Steve]

more parts ordered, pnp fic harness is on its way from boomslang, received the fic last thursday.
picked up a genuine hks ssqv 06-07 wrx kit, ordered a steel wield on flange.
hoping to have these installed and working real soon!

i did some cleaning up of the engine bay. this si how it looks now. still have lots to do but its looking better.

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/scubarusteve/photo4.jpg

[Tamago]

what's different? i'm trying to find it, like Where's Waldo ;)

[Scubaru Steve]

what's different? i'm trying to find it, like Where's Waldo ;)

just a lot of little things, pvc line, wiring harness, maf wires, added on the plastic valve cover cover.

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[Scubaru Steve]

new pics!

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[maxthehax]

Since Im turbo (about 50,000kms) I use the NGK iridium IX sparkplug BKR7EIX. I never gaped one, all installed straight from the box....

[cali yaris]

ALWAYS gap your plugs. It's silly not to do that.

[yarisugi]

Those are some crazy eyeballs!

[maxthehax]

ALWAYS gap your plugs. It's silly not to do that.

Why do NGK say that IridiumIX should not be gapped? tip is so fine... you can very easily damage it! I could do more harm than good..

Just lookin for the ''good'' answer.

thx for inputs!

[Golddeenoh]

Why do NGK say that IridiumIX should not be gapped? tip is so fine... you can very easily damage it! I could do more harm than good..

Just lookin for the ''good'' answer.

thx for inputs!

true, you aren't supposed to gap iridium and many of the higher grade plugs. The tips should be already gaped from the factory, but it is still good to check them to be sure they are not bent. There is not much point in trying to bent them back due the the high risk of it just braking. typically if you get new plugs, open the box and notice that the protective sheath of the threaded end is either damaged or missing, you should either not get them or replace them with some the the parts guys didn't throw around.

fancy plug shouldn't need to have the gap adjusted
basically, no sheath, no purchase
bad gap, pointless the re-gap

[cali yaris]

^ agreed. I meant more that I would measure them before installing, as they are not always perfect. Install a different one if the gap is incorrect. Little bit of old school thinking got in my way -- sorry about that. :frown:

[Golddeenoh]

^ i'm just glad that i get to share what a learned in college lest semester :D

[maxthehax]

Okai thanks for clearing that up :P