eclipse gsx

[ilikerice]

i was at an scca autocross meeting last night and a fellow member told us about an owner at a machine shop has a 2nd gen (95-99) ecilpse GSX AWD for sale $2500.. but he said that the man is willing to negotiate possible down to 1500 to someone who runs safe events (his son was killed last year street racing and selling alot of his kids projects). that is the 4G63T. same engine in the Evo's 7-9 and i think evo 10.. not sure.. AWD though.. wow

the catch! the motor and transmission is out of the car but he has 6 motors and buyer gets to pick which one he/she wants when purchased. im told he has several regular 4G63 and 2 4G63 with the 6 bolt version (i dont know what that means exactly but they say you WANT that motor if u can get it) also tranny comes with it also. the drivers fender and door is rusted cuz it was sanded down and was about to get painted but he has replacement door and fender to go with it..

i just sold my crx shell and motor and other honda stuff and freed up the garage.. i was gonna start playing with the yaris now but this may be an offer i cannot refuse. i will be going by to get a personal look and talk to the guy tomorrow after work.

ive been tossing the idea back and forth wheather to keep the yaris as is for a while til the warranty is done and make the eclipse the next high hp project.. or let this go and focus on the yaris...:iono:

i feel this will be a bias opinion on this website

[hatchbackkid82]

You do want the 6 bolt motor, The 7 bolt that came in the 95-99 DSM's was prone to crank walk. The 6 bolt is stronger. DSM's arre awesome cars though, you can make crazy amounts of hp

[SilverBack]

+1. I used to have a '95 GST with the 6-bolt Evo IV motor years ago and never had this problem, even with engine mods and at high mileage. That's your best bet.

[big lo]

In Puerto Rico we have a sh!t load of these cars with mad HP to spare, just one bad thing a bit uncomfortable for me, but still a badass car

[severous01]

get it...you can always put it back together and make a profit. they sell for over 5 grand if put back together properly and in good condition. GSX are rare and a hard find. i'd get it, fix it up, drive it a while then sell it if i didnt wanna keep it.

[big lo]

+1

[Kaotic Lazagna]

I'd get the GSX and build it cleanly.

[ilikerice]

WoW.. and i dont me the game.. i thought you guys were so gonna bash this thread.. hahahah.. but thanks for the input.. i will be going to look at it today to see what all comes with it. just need to look up what bolts they are talking about. anywho. thanks a bunch for you guys' opinions.. really did help me alot.. ill see if i can get some pics today

[ilikerice]

what up.. bringing a post back. after a few weeks of debating and putting in the numbers. i decided to go with it. ill be picking it up this weekend and will have pictures to post also in the "lets see what else you drive" thread. ive been doing alot of research on this car also and appears 400hp is not hard at all to achieve.. would be a beast on the autocross.

now i have looked at some forums but havent done membership to any yet. anyone familiar with any good forums that are still alive? ive checked out team-2g.com and dsmtalk.com.... seem ok.. any preferences would be appriciated for information

[SilverBack]

I always had good experiences with my local DSM club back in the day. Check out http://sedsm.org

[ilikerice]

awesome local forum.. thanks, awesome find

[ilikerice]

ok, here are the pics of so far everything that comes with this gsx.. it comes with 2 engines, a 6bolt and what looks like it could be a 7bolt engine. i will be picking those up on friday though, ill have pics of those when i get a chance. this is my first Mitsu EVER working on... i feel i may have bit off more then i can chew :help:

[ilikerice]

there are more parts also, i just havent picked them up yet..

[ilikerice]

I guess its time for the update, after 3 months

Ok, so the 2 engines that came with the car (7bolt and 6bolt, both non-turbo) had busted blocks.

The 7bolt had a rod push thru the side of the block right under the intake manifold. Hard to see, didnt even notice it til i got the head off.

The 6bolt had a transmission ear broken off so i couldnt get it on a engine stand to do anything.

[ilikerice]

I spent the next month researching while im searching on craigslist and ebay and forums for another block..

Finally found one early May that was about 3 hours south from where i lived. good price, 175 for a long block.. just disassembled, but no biggie..

As soon as i got it back home, called up the Machine shop and said "i got something for you".

He inspected and cleaned everything up and polished the crank and made sure i could use all stock components still. Threw it in the yaris, Got it home 2 weeks ago, and ordered a full rering kit and gasket/seals kit.

got it on the stand and was ready to start

[ilikerice]

so while i waited on some more parts I decided last weekend to paint the block. so i taped it up and since my girlfriend loves orange, i went and got a high timp dupli color burnt orange can and went to town..

final results.

[SKurj]

That's definitely way beyond what I could chew....

Best of luck with it..


Love the orange

[detroiter]

I avoid DSM's like the plauge. I prefer to spend more time driving my cars than fixing them.

Yours on the other hand is looking like it's coming along awesome. love the orange color!

[TOUGEghost]

Looks like a cool project.:thumbsup:

DSM's don't just break for no reason; they have a lot of cheap ass owners doing stupid stuff with them. That and most all DSM's are fairly old by now and have accelerated wear from aggressive driving. The 4G63 is extremely stout and I am always amazed at what my motor can handle, even with 175,000 miles on it. My 1G GSX runs low 12's on street tires and pump gas. I used to drive it daily before I got the Yaris. :biggrin:

[SilverBack]

Yep almost the same here but with 90K miles on it with a HRC Stage 2 turbo w/ intercooler, ACT clutch. My best run was on mid-12's on fresh street tires and 91 octane.

[ilikerice]

Nice.

Yea, its definitly a project. I dont know yet if im gonna keep it when its running. I may sell. But we will see. I may wanna keep it, lol. BUT I do wanna get the yaris running quicker also.. I dont need 2 projects.

[why?]

That looks pretty awesome so far. I've always wanted a GSX, just love everything about them.

[SilverBack]

I just thoroughly looked at your pics and have to say you definitely got yourself a handful there. Hope the engine rebuild goes well. Also, nice paint on the block. That's one color I've never seen used before.

One suggestion if you plan to turbo it somewhere down the road (sometimes the itch scratches when you don't plan on it): It might help you to get your hands on a set of forged pistons and rods. Your stock ones might give you trouble. A 4G63 motor is low-compression and can easily handle factory boost, but me being kinda paranoid as I am I also upgraded my pistons and rods with the turbo just to be safe, and never had problems. Also this would be a great time right now to do so since your block is still disassembled. Just a precaution. Up to you though.

[ilikerice]

Thanks.

The block I got is from a GS-T. So its disigned to be boosted. According to the forums, stock boost is i think 11-12psi.

I know I got the correct pistons cuz 2 reasons.
1) Turbo pistons have the notches in them for the valve clearance.
2) The company that the machine shop ordered from sent non-turbo rings. After I tried getting the oil ring on the piston, it would not fit. The ring was too big and would have to be forced it. I took it back to the machine shop to look into it. He reordered the correct set for a turbo. Fits like a glove.

Alot of member of the dsm forums say they can easily get 400hp if not a bit more on stock bottom end. My goal is to get this thing running. If I do like the car after its broken in, I will then build another block more reliable for more boost. Again, i dont know if im gonna keep this when im done. I sorta wanna stick to the yaris, or get finacially ready for the FD-S.

[ilikerice]

Update time:

I spent about 6 hours yesterday after I finally got my new Headbolts putting it back together and getting the timing all done. 4g63 have wierd way of setting timing with that tensioner and special tools:iono:. Took me a while to figure it out.

My timing cover also did a number on me. After installing the tensioner bracket, there are 2 bolts/studs that come up where the motor mount is placed. WELL, I cant get the timing cover to bend properly to fit. If I could remove those studs, it would have been possible. But my hard headed self thought "i will make it fit":mad:

Sure enough the damn thing broke ### its a 15 year old piece of plastic . go figure. Luckily it broke in good places where it was still able to mount it. Looks like ca-ca but it will do the job for now.

While digging thru the boxes and tubs of parts I came accross a water tube that runs in front of the block on the water pump. I noticed it had a banjo fitting in front of it and a couple extra water outlets for something to be cooled. Maybe a turbo? I figured it was. So, I pulled the old one off and tossed it, painted the new one I found and installed it. I think its suppose to go there.

Trying to figure out about the CAS and Throttle body I am using weather or not its compatable with my car. Found out both will work, just a simple rewire is all thats needed.:thumbsup:

Also, looking for a turbo exhaust manifold now. The one I have I dont think is for a turbo. I do have a 16g manifold and a 16g, It just needs to be rebuild. I would rather run a stock T25 though for now.

ATTACHED pictures as of this mornings progress

[fnkngrv]

lookin like a fun project with patience...

[ilikerice]

I have ALOT of patience.. Ask my significant other.

[ilikerice]

New updates as of last weekend.

Having some turbo line and turbo fitment issues. I have a 2G block under a 1G head and just trying to work out oil feed lines and turbo coolant lines.

Also found out that i have a 14B turbo and its in rough condition. So still in the process of getting a 16G. Also need to get motor mounts. Car didnt come with any. Money has gotten officially tight now. So things are getting put on hold for a little bit.

Some eye candy pictures

[Crackerballer]

Pure sex. Looks like you are taking your time and doing it right. This will decimate all, after, you put about fifteen grand in it or more. If we have to, overnight parts from Japan.

[Crackerballer]

Oh I would go ahead and replace that turbo for a nice 20g ball bearing equiv. A GT28RS would be TITS!

[ilikerice]

Crackerballer This will decimate all, after, you put about fifteen grand in it or more. If we have to, overnight parts from Japan.

:laughabove:

Crackerballer Oh I would go ahead and replace that turbo for a nice 20g ball bearing equiv. A GT28RS would be TITS!

Yes.. the current turbo on there is a 14B. It is a done for though. the housing is cracked all to hell.. BUT, I do got a 16G that will be going on in place of it. Just using the 14B to run oil and water lines. After I get it running and get a DSMLink. I will then go larger injectors and go for that 20G. right now, I just want it built to run.

[Crackerballer]

:laughabove:



Yes.. the current turbo on there is a 14B. It is a done for though. the housing is cracked all to hell.. BUT, I do got a 16G that will be going on in place of it. Just using the 14B to run oil and water lines. After I get it running and get a DSMLink. I will then go larger injectors and go for that 20G. right now, I just want it built to run.

Gotcha, makes sense. I always loved the GSX. Do you have any horsepower goals? Basically you have an Evo of a different mother. AWD, 4g63, could really be a nice sleeper if you debadged and blacked out the intercooler in the grill.

[ilikerice]

I do plan to debadge this and will be using the Side Mount Intercooler. I honestly do not have any horse power goals at the moment. I am hoping for stock hp as of right now. I just need a base to start with.

After I get this thing running and hopefully like new again, I will drive it around for a month or 2 to break in the engine.
If I dont like it, I'll just sell it before i do any modifications on it and either get a daily driver car and fix up the yaris, OR get something else like the FR-S whenever it comes out.
If I do like it. I will begin to build another 7bolt as I add more boost and fuel til it blows up. Always nice to have a spare engine to swap out over the weekend

[Crackerballer]

I have a hard time thinking you won't like a well built awd 4g63. It really doesn't get much better if it is built right. The AWD is listed at 3200 pounds, but with a few select pieces of carbon fiber, the right wheels, and some unnecessary interior pieces gone, I see sub 3k possible.

If you get it built and want to sell it, you contact me. I will either make you a reasonable offer or probably can find you a buyer.

[ilikerice]

Thank Crackerballer. I'll keep this thread updated as I go. Waiting for this guy to sell me this turbo, Still looking for stock motor mounts (drivers and pass tranny).

[Crackerballer]

Good, I'm subscribing.

[Crackerballer]

any update?

[90tsi]

I miss mine. I seen u had 2 non-turbo blocks. I broke the transmission ear off as well(torquey bastard haha). anyway....in my searching i seen that turbo and non-turbo blocks ate slightly diff. On the inside of blocks the turbos have a hole for a piston cooler fitting the non turbos do not. Dont know what kinda iasues would cause if it would cause any at all. Just thought i would share a lil dsm knowledge that i picked up

[ilikerice]

Its been RETARTED hot outside this past month. over 100* plus 100% humidity is making outside work unbearable. I need a better fan in the garage or a mobile body a/c unit attached to my back.

Well I have come across another roadblock again. The block I got from a guy off craigslist was from a 95gst. So the block isn't the problem anymore.. Now I got head issues.

The Heads I was using are from a NonTurbo block. I stumbled across a thread on a forum about swapping the nonturbo head on a turbo block. They say it works, just make sure you get turbo cams, which I did not think about when I installed mine. I've been on the hunt for some stock turbo cams for the past 2 weeks.

Luckily I was able to get in touch with a local DSM'er who has recently upgraded his cams. Same guy who is going to sell me his 16G turbo. Turbo and cams for $60. Got really lucky on this deal.

Still searching for stock left/right motor mounts though.


On a side note. My woman is about to go back to full time school and part time work in a couple weeks. This will put a HUGE finacial strain on this project in particular. I do have this gsx shell on craigslist and the motor on a separate listing also. Will do package deal. SO, in the mean time, while I am waiting for it to sell, I will still be working on it.

main reason for selling I the 2nd garage I got at my apartment is costing me an extra $100/mo. If I can just get this thing running and out of the garage I will more then likely be able to hold on to it.

Parts needed to finish:
2G turbo throttle body w/ sensors
2G drivers and passengers motor mounts
turbo oil feed line and coolant feed/return lines for 16G
Oil pressure guage w/sensor, preferably electrical
-external wastegate: Post #28 1st picture. need a wastegate that fits that flange. Anyone know what name brand fits that bolt pattern?
Also considering just cutting it off and welding a different flange for any wastegate I can find to push between 12-15psi.

If you have any of these parts or know someone who has these parts. Please post up a picture of them. If someone is just looking to get rid of some spares from previous upgrades I can paypal money for shipping + a little bit extra. Patients is one of my better qualities.

Thanks for checking this thread out and the input you have given me. Any information from DSM'ers here is appriciated. Thanks 90tsi for that tip, I do know what your talking about and why I opted for the turbo block reguardless. N/T 4g63 block will work, just gotta re-route some lines to other places is all.