Chinese Touch Screen DVD/GPS/iPod Double Din Part Two

[RawrDaddy]

After previously being inspired by the first "Double Din Chinese eBay" -imparaphrasing:wink:- thread
and finally finding a reason to replace my current Pioneer MP-5800deh [that came with the car...bought it used at a ToYo dealership. :iono:go figure.]
I've decided to continue the adventure that has somewhat disappeared on YW...
finding a Cheap x 'Reliable' All In One Head Unit (Nav.DVD.Camera.Bluetooth.USB) (the USB is why im replacing my current HU....who burns CDs anymore?:rolleyes:)

and with the words Cheap and AllInOne.....Hong Kong / Chinese Products
will probably make up most of the stuff you find.

So anyways. Having had much experience with chinese products before
and gaining some skill on how to pick out the true low quality ones with the decent
ive decided to begin my HU search with the testing of [it also just came in the mail today] ::
Xtrons TD713G
http://www.ugsage.com/Picture_library/TD713G/TD713G-1.jpg
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My Reasoning on picking this one rather than the million other options?
The GUI.
Compared to the rest, including the main one in the previous eBay Double Din thread
the GUI / Interface in the pictures was not all that pleasing to me.
Though their unit looked more OEM (and is a more perfect fit)

Much of the Specs are the same though.

The only negatives I could find on this product
is the dimensions not matched the full width of our DIN
That and the GPS Unit may be Win CE 5/6. Though the increased RAM i think could compensate
and looking at some of the videos of the product x it looked like it still ran smooth enough.

So as I am done rambling for this introduction post x heres the pictures of delivery
and i will keep updating this thread as I advance.

Thanks YW.

Edit: Oh - And It Only Cost $299 Shipped. Fast Three Day DHL. Guess I Cant Complain Too Much?
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[big lo]

WOW thats hot let us know how everything comes together, nice find too.

[enve1160]

Where did you order from? I might be interested for my other car.

[jpmck03]

That's quite the impressive find! Looking forward to seeing how this thing turns out.

[eTiMaGo]

gotta admit that looks far more impressive and well-designed than 99% of the no-name head units out there, nice find!

[RawrDaddy]

Where did you order from? I might be interested for my other car.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110628772099

Almost spent an extra $50 before I found it from this eBay store for $299.


And with a quick scan - I see this one in New York for $305
Clickie Heeeere (http://cgi.ebay.com/XTRONS-TD713G-7-Digital-Screen-GPS-CarDVD-PlayerBLK-/220737005003?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3364f365cb)


So last night, in my freezing cold driveway
I spontaneously decided to rip open my dash
and take a look at how the stereos setup. Before this, I've never seen how the harnesses and the wiring of the Yaris was done, and compared to previous simple single din swaps I've done, I'm second-guessing doing this myself. (I'm getting an amp wired in this week and may be able to have this unit squeezed in as well) If I was to do it singlehandedly - I'm not sure on if I would need to buy another harness, crimp the wires coming from the unit to the car's wires, buy another dash kit, and all that other jazz. If alot of that stuff isn't necessary, or can be simplified some-way then I may just tackle this myself.

Any help / advice is welcomed.

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Theres a harness that went directly into the Pioneer and then the Antenna Plug (imassuming)

Preview ::
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[Astroman]

Nice find! This is pretty much what I'm looking for and the price is right. I did have a horrid no name flip DVD unit in mine, but it had no navi, bluetooth, SD or USB support. I got rid of it because it would start over a MP3 DVD at random. I still have the OEM double din unit.

When I did the install that unit was a single din, I just got a install kit and a wiring kit. No need to hack the cars wires, and makes things simple if you need to change the head unit later. I'm sure there is plenty of knowledgeable people on here and info to help you get everything installed yourself. Good luck with the project, I will be watching.

[bkndacn]

im keeping my eye on this :)

[henry33]

maybe you can shoot some video when it will be finished
very nice device for that price

[cougar65]

This thing looks amazing. Please update us all when's it's done. :D

[RawrDaddy]

Thanks Everyone. I appreciate it. I'm just as excited as you all. :D


When I did the install that unit was a single din, I just got a install kit and a wiring kit. No need to hack the cars wires, and makes things simple if you need to change the head unit later. I'm sure there is plenty of knowledgeable people on here and info to help you get everything installed yourself. Good luck with the project, I will be watching.

Yeah. Thats what i was thinking that all I would need is the two kits.
But since theres already an aftermarket unit in their - I'm not sure if I would still need one or if different measures should be taken.
I've been snooping around YW for a good while now without posting much, so I'm pretty sure theres a few people with LOTS of knowledge that could help me...just waiting lol.

[jaime]

Does this unit have pre-outs for connecting to external amplifiers (Front-L+R, Rear-L+R, subwoofer)?

[RawrDaddy]

Does this unit have pre-outs for connecting to external amplifiers (Front-L+R, Rear-L+R, subwoofer)?

Yep.

http://www.ugsage.com/Picture_library/TD713G/TD713G-9.jpg
Top Right Audio Out Section - Is where the amp cables would go.

Ill take a closer pic later.

[bkndacn]

So I got inspired by this thread today and went out and bought a new head unit to replace my OEM one.

This is what I got:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Car/DVD-Receivers/AVH-P3200BT

went to best buy and spent just over 500$$ for the H/U and the harness ....


too dark now for pics but Its not really that hard at all If I can do it then anyone can !

[jaime]

went to best buy and spent just over 500$$ for the H/U and the harness ....


Yikes! :eyebulge: You could have bought it for $300 from Amazon.

[bkndacn]

Idk why But I dont like buying big ticket things online .... plus Im more of a "instant Gratification" kinda guy and seeing that it was a whim buy i was able to instantly gratify myself this afternoon by installing it :-D

[jaime]

Any updates? Finished installing it?

[RawrDaddy]

Okaay

Soo Sorry For The Delay
and lack of updating

So i've installed the device myself
and i am definitely IMPRESSED

The screen is definitely crisp and attractive
The touch screen responsiveness is above fair. The only thing that could be somewhat "annoying / aggervating" to some is the 3D Menu... (its a shortcut inbetween screens. pushing a button at a diagonal can be mistaken for a swipe =/ and unfortunately changing screens)
the buttons are definitely not cheap though and areupto par to the touch-screen of my Samsung Mythic.

Radio is clear. and switching between stations is no problem
AUX worked great.
Bluetooth worked great. course different phones may give different troubles - usually a nice turn on/off of your phones bluetooth fixes any problems.
Bluetooth audio sounded great.
SD / USB i havent exactly tested yet.
DVD - movie played perfectly.and resolution was great
[i havent tried with an actual good HD movie though...unfortunately the movie i tested was an old Karate Flick:rolleyes:]
GPS - Marvelous. it comes with a legit iGo. And seeing how I live in Georgia - where theres a new subdivision built every week and countless dirt roads - I have YET to find an unmarked street or any bad directions from the device.
GPS is infact - Windows Ce 6.0 and works responsive and fast.
Split Screening and multi-tasking with music still playing works great.
(the music is sometimes muted briefly when performing certain actions under the GPS)


And Last But Not Least - One of the more bigger differences I can see in the switch of head units - is Sound Quality.

The sound processing between my old deh5800 and my new Xtrons
is almost night and day (at least for me)
my old head unit definitely destroys this category. not saying the sound coming from the Xtrons is trashy - it definitely doesnt compete with the Pioneer on all levels of volumes.

The Xtrons is said to be 44 x 4 (22 x 4 RMS) on the site - but 60 x 4 in the manual.
the Pioneer is 50 x 4.

The EQ adjusting and sound processing of the Xtrons is very limited compared to the Pioneer. It covers more of the basic functions ( Bass, Trebele, Loud, Genre [Rock,Jazz,Flat,Classic,etc]. Then you can fade the soudn around and etc)
The Pioneer actual let you control the setup of the sub from the head unit, let you set filters for the main speakers, let you adjust the Loud Setting, let you EQ different frequencies, and I'm sure it even pushed out even more wattage per speaker.

my yaris would actually RATTLE [with no clipping, and the music still sounding PERFECT and CLEAR. While playing Lows down to the 50-80 hz range] with the Pioneer and hit reasonable bass-notes like it didnt need a sub.

The xtrons on the other hand.. definitely not as loud or clear or adjustable which sucks seeing as you cant compensate with the bad natural sound processor.
an amp and/or a seperate equalizer could easily fix this problem.

the Xtrons still sounds as good/better than stock - but definitely not as great compared to other "NAME" brand products

all of its other features though - definitely are on the same level as Alpines, Pioneers, etc. that are in the $1000's range. hands down.

I would actually pick the Xtrons over some of the others - even if i was paying more than 500 for it.

Overall - the Xtrons is DEFINITELY a GREAT buy. I'd definitely would have to say one of the BEST [Name Brand or Chinese] headunits out right now. Definitely at the price range.

My only gripes were the iffy 3D-Menu and the Sound Processing
though they are still better than average and definitely do not ruin the product.


I kinda rushed this little summary up. Ill post a better, more in depth review with all the pictures up later.

[toy_toronto]

That's great news. I can't wait to see some pictures of this unit.

How did you mount this 178mm unit in the 200m dash opening? Did you have to purchase a custom 178mm dash kit?

[goldfishdude04]

Hey all I like the review so far about this unit and have looked further into the ebay listings. My question is has anyone had any issuses with hooking up a Iphone 4 to the bluethooth? I know sometimes the Iphone has some problems with the bluetooth connecting. Thanks.

[cougar65]

Use the iPhone blue tooth in the work truck all the time, works amazing

[goldfishdude04]

Awesome, Thanks for the info.

[manmohanyaris]

Any installed pics? Thinking about getting this as a birthday gift for someone, i'm curious about the side gaps though.

[Shinare]

I take it you have to buy a double din dash kit unlike the other one that looks stock? I'm very interested in this one but also like the idea of it looking stock as well.

[RawrDaddy]

I take it you have to buy a double din dash kit unlike the other one that looks stock? I'm very interested in this one but also like the idea of it looking stock as well.

Well for my special case of an install x i didnt buy the double din kit.

It probably would help me properly secure my unit more, but it can effectively be mounted with the mount kit that comes with the unit and use the stock 200mm brackets.

to anwser toy's question - im still using the stock brackets. no special 200 to 170 conversion.

mine isnt exactly mounted with screws to the brackets
rather held in with the L-shaped mounts. so technically the unit could move around in the VERY back (...if you were to crash into something or have the car undergo a drastic action like a collision) but with normal driving - i have nothing to worry about.and the movements arent even enough to cause any loosening of the wires or maybe mess with the ground / cause some elctrical problem.

ill explain more / give details when i finally show the "final" pics / video review.
(i didnt have my Yaris for about a week or so - which is why theres been a delay. sorry)

but the Bluetooth has been workin great. so far my Samsung Mythic and iPhone 3G paired and worked marvelous. no complaints.

I do need to find a solution to get rid of the side gaps around the unit though. ( since it doesnt EXACTLY fill the same space as a stock unit )
and also just so everyone knows - the unit needs a little clearance for the screen to slide out when ejecting a CD / inserting a SD card
so the unit does stick out a little on my setup (as im also not using a D.Din kit)


besides for the looks within the Yaris - this unit is definitely GREAT and worth EVERY penny for 299. still no complaints.

for those who still want that 100% OEM look though - should try the other Chinese.Double Din thread.

[Altitude]

Any updates? Pics of it installed?

[IsLNdbOi]

That unit in the first post of this thread looks alot like Pioneer's AVIC Z120BT / Z130BT.

[endika]

do you have any manual book of this head unit?
email me the softcopy. agung.satyadini@gmail.com

[RawrDaddy]

Theres a SoftCopy of the TD712 - On The Xtrons website.
but not for the unit I have. sorry.

once i upload all these pictures and the video review - ill try to squeeze in a scan of the manual as well.

is there anything particular you want to know from it?


and sorry guys for the long delay. =/ its been a busy month. hopefully by thursday/friday i shall be able to upload all the goodies.

So far - the unit is still rockin strong and havent had any problems.
should suffice until i decide to upgrade to a carputer.

[texasyaris]

Very nice.... this is a must upgrade for me... just can't seem to find the right one. Maybe this is the one...

[Altitude]

Bump for more info.

[dwrecording]

(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160523703700&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_11499wt_1165)

I picked up one of these. I get it today.

[dwrecording]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160523703700&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_11499wt_1165

[mmrdelany]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160523703700&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_11499wt_1165

How is this one working out for you? Im thinking of getting one of these touch screens.

[RawrDaddy]

How is this one working out for you? Im thinking of getting one of these touch screens.

I kind of advise against this one. Its basically the same as the million other "cheaper" made Chinese Units. You could find one like that with the same exact Specs for about ~$100.

I would spend the extra fortyish dollars and get one like my OP for about 299.

Those radios are actually rather old technology wise and def not the best bang for your buck.

Look at the Specs.

64MB of RAM? for something that could do so MANY different things?

99% of Cell Phones today have better Specs than that unit.

thats just one way to look at it.

Plus Win CE 5 / slow/sluggish GUIs like those can get rather irritating over time and usually struggle to hit the Satisfactory mark.


but hey.just my $.02.

[CAyaris]

So end all buying this double din what else do i need to buy???? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110628772099

[MACmarji]

So end all buying this double din what else do i need to buy???? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110628772099

If you buy a standard double din stereo, then I think you need to buy 2 din dash kit (http://www.eonon.com/Specific-Models-and-Kits/Kits-and-Harness/A0511.html).

I'm looking for an Xtrons too, but i think to buy the Xtrons TD717G because it has a detachable front panel and built-in microphone.

Bye,

[CAyaris]

i have a 2008 my hazards are not set up like thaat...

[Tyranie909]

Can anyone explain the difference between the models I see the TD717 and the TD713g. Only difference I can see so far is the 717 allows you to remove the front and does not offer multi zone. What model is the higher end one lol. Also really curious how you got this hooked up. I have a 07 chevy avalanche and am wondering what harness to pick up and if the typical aftermarket onstar harness will work.

[RawrDaddy]

Can anyone explain the difference between the models I see the TD717 and the TD713g. Only difference I can see so far is the 717 allows you to remove the front and does not offer multi zone. What model is the higher end one lol. Also really curious how you got this hooked up. I have a 07 chevy avalanche and am wondering what harness to pick up and if the typical aftermarket onstar harness will work.

do a quick crutchfield or audio store search on your car

and theyll tell you which Dash Kits to get.

since im not familiar with the Avalanche's insides - im not sure if they come Double Din or not.

The wiring/hooking up of this unit really shouldnt be a major worry for you - as long as you can get your car's current head unit out with out too much hassle.



and to anwser your question about which is more high-end?
Xtrons kinda treats the 717G to be more high-end....its also higher priced.
but besides the Removable Face Plate and the Built-In Mic there is no difference between the two models.

[Tyranie909]

Looks like I am in for one as well. Picking up TD717g (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TD717G-7-Double-Din-HD-Screen-Car-DVD-Player-GPS-SD-TV-/110679094963?pt=Car_Audio_Video&hash=item19c4fcf6b3). For $300 I am willing to give it a try. I am just worried about the sound quality. I have 2 10s under my back seats and alpine type r components up front. The components are on an amp. Do you think a sound processor is needed?

Also can you just ground the parking break wire on this one to have video while driving? Or is there some kind a relay you need to make?

** After further reading the face on the 717 sticks out from the dash. It will not flush mount. Also there are lots of people who break the mounting clip for the face. Sounds like getting a version with out the removable face is the best way to go.**

[hackenfort]

I would love to see pictures installed, as I ended up buying the other unit (factory looking), and can't get it to work with my ipod.

[RawrDaddy]

well then your best bet would probably be to get the 713G (the version i bought) if the removable face can be a pain.


the unit doesnt flush mount for me. the adjustable screen needs (kind of) alot of clearance to slide up and down.


yeah you can just groudn the parking break (even tells you to in the manual:laugh:)

sound processing wise - coming from my Pioneer 5800deh this was one of the only complaints i really had about the Xtrons.
this units sound quality is DRASTICALLY different from my pioneer.
not saying that the soudn quality is bad - its just the pioneer made it seem like Night and Day.
plus Audio wise - theres not too many features and adjustments you can do
so if you have a sound processor available - i would greatly recommend it.
if not - a little EQing and adjusting your speakers can still make this unit sound beautiful.

question though - what amp is running your subs? >_>
you said only the components are on the amp

[Tyranie909]

mrp 1000 :). Forgot to mention it. I actually make my wife smack some drums in the back of the car. Its much cheaper than a gym membership. Only problem is that drum sticks can also be used to beat you as well.

[fnkngrv]

What happened to the final pics and video review?

[yarisyeti]

do you have any pics of final install? Also are these units still as good as when you first installed it?