disappointed in the aftermarket

[car_buff]

I've spent a lot of time looking up parts, trying to gain some bolt on performance for my yaris, the right way, and it seems relatively impossible due to a lack luster aftermarket, and apparently customers content with that.

Until I started looking at parts for my yaris I had never heard of an "axle back exhaust". Seriously, its a muffler and a tip. A relatively minor part of a system whose biggest effect is soumd, which is great, but not what I'm looking for overall. The selection of headers is decent, at least there's that, but why no high flow cats? Easily the most restrictive part of any exhaust system is a shitty manifold followed by oem cats. And all this mid pipe business, why isn't it just referred to as tubing like everywhere else?

The intake side of things is just as pitiful, there's a whole slew of "get rid of my protective air box and slap on a tube and conical filter to the fb". Whoopidoo you have a larger higher quality air filter, with minimal better effect than a k&n oem replacement filter. I've seen a few tb swap ideas, and two custom intakes, by which I mean actual intake manifolds. Why are we content with that when a new manifold getting rid of the silly silencer would be all too easy to make for any manufacturer worth its salt? With the location of the intake portal them selves I'm shocked I have been able to find a real ram air system coming up to a scoop, or down below the radiator. Your kidding yourselves with these "cold air" filters. If you define cold as the ambient temperature surrounding an ICE operating at 170 degrees, then I guess the shoe fits.

Personally I'm not spending the kind of money this aftermarket has grown used to getting for this car. But I'm not content to leave it stock. This won't be easy, but I'm going to start gathering stuff I need to build my own, quality and FULL intake and exhaust systems for as cheap as can be. I know quality and cheap to be an oxymoron in general, but doing the work yourself usually yields the best of both worlds .

Notable mention: NST's underdrive and light weight pulleys are the only performance product out there that I'm satisfied with, a respectable price for a precision machine and balanced product that yields an actual gain? I haven't bought them yet, but they are on the list (soon as I figure out what to underdrive, just lighten, or overdrive according to my needs)

Ps, why are there no brain kits for the auto tranny? I'm a stranger to fwd til now, but surely brain kits will work as well for a fwd as well as a rwd?

[severous01]

u must be lookin in the wrong places. look into the sponsors of the site...particularly micro image. they have tons of stuff.

and about your cat issue, it's illegal to replace the cat before 80k miles...unless it's broken or otherwise not working properly. and it's covered under warranty up to 120k, so why would anyone want to build a cat for it??? jsut cut it off and get a sensor delete kit.

second, research a car before you buy it. if you were so interested in this car you wouldnt care if it had no aftermarket. and if you did research the car before you bought it you'd know there was a small aftermarket for this car. it's an ECO CAR....come on...really??? like anything else, if you want serious power there is potential...but you gotta get smart with it and you gotta do your research. apparently you just want someone to do it for you

there are turbo kits from zage and supercharger kits from blitz. all sorts of OEM parts that will fit most applications for intake like using the bigger corolla throttle body...and injectors. there is aftermarkt support for FMU's, there's an entire section dedicated to power adders. there's another section dedicated to performance upgrades.

[cali yaris]

I'd love to answer your questions, but there aren't any.

Looking forward to your DIY results, I'm sure everyone will be able to learn something from your efforts.

And by the way, aside from the crank pulley, the NST water pump/alternator pulleys add almost zero performance value. So, why would they be on your list?

[big lo]

+1

[Jason@SportsCar]

I've spent a lot of time looking up parts, trying to gain some bolt on performance for my yaris, the right way, and it seems relatively impossible due to a lack luster aftermarket, and apparently customers content with that.

Until I started looking at parts for my yaris I had never heard of an "axle back exhaust". Seriously, its a muffler and a tip. A relatively minor part of a system whose biggest effect is soumd, which is great, but not what I'm looking for overall. The selection of headers is decent, at least there's that, but why no high flow cats? Easily the most restrictive part of any exhaust system is a shitty manifold followed by oem cats. And all this mid pipe business, why isn't it just referred to as tubing like everywhere else?

The intake side of things is just as pitiful, there's a whole slew of "get rid of my protective air box and slap on a tube and conical filter to the fb". Whoopidoo you have a larger higher quality air filter, with minimal better effect than a k&n oem replacement filter. I've seen a few tb swap ideas, and two custom intakes, by which I mean actual intake manifolds. Why are we content with that when a new manifold getting rid of the silly silencer would be all too easy to make for any manufacturer worth its salt? With the location of the intake portal them selves I'm shocked I have been able to find a real ram air system coming up to a scoop, or down below the radiator. Your kidding yourselves with these "cold air" filters. If you define cold as the ambient temperature surrounding an ICE operating at 170 degrees, then I guess the shoe fits.

Personally I'm not spending the kind of money this aftermarket has grown used to getting for this car. But I'm not content to leave it stock. This won't be easy, but I'm going to start gathering stuff I need to build my own, quality and FULL intake and exhaust systems for as cheap as can be. I know quality and cheap to be an oxymoron in general, but doing the work yourself usually yields the best of both worlds .

Notable mention: NST's underdrive and light weight pulleys are the only performance product out there that I'm satisfied with, a respectable price for a precision machine and balanced product that yields an actual gain? I haven't bought them yet, but they are on the list (soon as I figure out what to underdrive, just lighten, or overdrive according to my needs)

Ps, why are there no brain kits for the auto tranny? I'm a stranger to fwd til now, but surely brain kits will work as well for a fwd as well as a rwd?

You want performance... Complain about the lack of parts, you have been able to find, and yet you bought an automatic. :iono:

[fnkngrv]

You want performance... Complain about the lack of parts, you have been able to find, and yet you bought an automatic. :iono:

+1

and what would make someone think that there is some kind of magic that happens with just an intake and exhaust anyway? sure, a borla and other options can produce a nice little bump in hp, but that is on a motor with a hell of a lot more power from the factory than the 1nz. other than that you obviously haven't searched as previously stated because there are a ton of Vios, Vitz, and Yarii now that are decent performers with nice power bands. on that subject do you even know that the Yaris sedan is pretty much the USDM version of the Vios?

[big lo]

This is getting good lol

[severous01]

i think i might keep up with this thread....i was serious and non sarcastic at first, but i think i'm just gonna sit in the back and watch as people make snide remarks.

[bladesmith6]

Sorry guys but in this case I understand the frustration, I almost have my 07 LB paid off so we're going on 5 years and I still can't get an intake manifold actually made for this car, I mean WTF!!!! (please garm please,please,please)and the only catback that i know of is the magnaflow for over $500, sheesh...(before you say it i'm already planning on getting something custom bent for alot less)

[cali yaris]

I still can't get an intake manifold actually made for this car,

Of course you can, you just won't pay for a one-off (and I don't blame you). I got one made. When I looked at production costs versus the number of Yaris owners that would really pony up the money (and not just say they would), I backed off.

EVERY parts project I've done for this car so far has undersold, some pretty badly. That's either me making bad stuff, or something going on with the integrity of the buyers. Take your pick.

The vast majority of Yaris owners are simply not going to spend a lot of money on this car. It's not a criticism of anyone, it's just the truth, based on my own business experience.

[car_buff]

apparently you just want someone to do it for you


Yeah dude, that's why I'm gonna try to custom build my own stuff, no using any prefabbed kits....


I do intend to make it a diy project for yall, I think a good many people will enjoy my results.

As for the comment on NST alt and water pump pulleys being ineffectual, I'm gonna over drive my amp, due to stereo, underdrive water pump due to cooler climate, and lighten the crank. I think. Still putting thought into it.

And as for the hit on autos, I got the car for extra cheap from a connection at a Mazda dealer, I needed a cheap reliable ride ASAP, and took the best opportunity that immediately presented itself.

I have looked at all the vios, scion and other 1z-fe counterparts, the aftermarket is of decent size, but its full of half system crap. I feel like everyone is content with half ass system. Axleback exhaust are a joke, and the intake available are plentiful, line of like garbage bins on Tuesday morning.

And no, the full systems I want aren't going to put the yaris in god mode, but theyd be better than what we got available atm, and at a cheaper price I think a lot of people would be Interested. Personally a ram air intake on this little car would be awesome. No one makes one and Im not satosfoed with that. Forgive me for stating my mind on that and providing the intention of doing our piss poor aftermarket justice by showing just how injust it is.

[Astroman]

I would spend the $$$ Garm, if I had it. I think that some of us are just poor bastards. A few parts I've gotten were used at a discount so its the only reason I was able to afford them, and the seller was offering a great deal. My biggest expense for the Yaris was over $1,100, and it was all cosmetic (new front end from that wreck I had last winter, and I went to you of course :biggrin:)

I'm way happier with the aftermarket support than I was in 2006 when I first got my Yaris. About the only thing out there was strut bars or springs at the time.

Also, I'm VERY happy with my automatic transmission and am impressed with it's performance compared to almost every other auto I've owned/driven. Yea it sucks there's zero aftermarket for it, but I needed a new car and mine came well equipped. Problem was the yaris just came out in WA state when I got mine, and the closest manual was in Alaska at a $2k price premium.

[bladesmith6]

I know you've gotten burned garm, and i don't blame you for not taking another chance and wasting more of your money. It just seems so ridiculous that everyone who was making a manifold for this car flaked out, it's like there's a curse or something. I really can't afford to go forced induction so I'll probably try and scrape enough together for a weapon-r manifold and modify the TB flange myself. if all you've got is lemons, make lemonade right?

[Viperoni]

If there were as many people buying things like headers as there are for civics, they'd be cheap too.

So far I've got over $400 in parts for my header, yes parts only. And it won't stop there.
If I were to pay someone to fab it, I wouldn't be able to afford it.

Who would buy an $800 header? That would make say 12hp/12ftlb?

[cali yaris]

^ yep. Like I said it was an observation and not a criticism. It's also an explanation why where aren't more aftermarket parts that require more extensive R&D.

Making an intake manifold that (1) makes power and (2) doesn't cause CELs is not just throwing some piping together, for example.

I'm grateful for the business that is out there, it keeps me in the scene, at least partly.

Let's take a look at the Honda aftermarket scene in the year 1980 (about the same age as the Yaris is now, 5 years into sales). I was there, and there wasn't much available. This is no different.

[ilikerice]

I'm gonna over drive my amp, due to stereo, underdrive water pump due to cooler climate, and lighten the crank. I think. Still putting thought into it.

i dont get this comment... your alt/water pump pulleys are the same size as OEM.. just lighter... they are also not going to "spin" faster because they are only going to go as fast as the crank pulley, which if you get the standard Lite crank pulley is the same size.. UNLESS you get the 10% lighter crank pully... but then again, that would run the same with OEM alt/water pulleys, so really they are just cosmetic pulleys.

unless i missed the sarcasm in your comment.. my bads

[YarisPR]

If u got the money DIY
If you don't like whats out there DIY
If you know u can DIY and cheaper go ahead

I support the DIY thing, I'm from PR so we do things our way and we get good results :headbang:

[severous01]

^ yep. Like I said it was an observation and not a criticism. It's also an explanation why where aren't more aftermarket parts that require more extensive R&D.

Making an intake manifold that (1) makes power and (2) doesn't cause CELs is not just throwing some piping together, for example.

I'm grateful for the business that is out there, it keeps me in the scene, at least partly.

Let's take a look at the Honda aftermarket scene in the year 1980 (about the same age as the Yaris is now, 5 years into sales). I was there, and there wasn't much available. This is no different.

hey, how about having the pices cut and prep'd but having the buyer havning it all welded together. that would make things chep on your end, and the customer would still have the option to buy, and if they can't weld they can have it done. you can also have it in several materials from polished aluminum, steel, whatever else you wanna make it out of. header kits are seriously cheap that way, and anyone knowing what they're doing can put it together to make custom headers. why not a custom intake 'kit'?

[cali yaris]

^ that's not a bad idea. But if people are willing to do a little custom work, why haven't people bought the Weapon R intake?

[Focus_Sh1ft]

trying to gain some bolt on performance for my yaris, the right way

This baffles me. What is the right way? Buy every bolt on performance part for maybe a 10 hp gain cumulative?

I agree the aftermarket is barely there. However, and feel free to call me narrow-minded, but if you want appreciable performance you have to get forced induction. I spent over a grand in bolt-ons before I realized I still had no chance of keeping up with soccer moms. :rolleyes:

[car_buff]

This baffles me. What is the right way? Buy every bolt on performance part for maybe a 10 hp gain cumulative?

I agree the aftermarket is barely there. However, and feel free to call me narrow-minded, but if you want appreciable performance you have to get forced induction. I spent over a grand in bolt-ons before I realized I still had no chance of keeping up with soccer moms. :rolleyes:

the right way is going all the way to the engine block, none of this axleback exhaust shenanigans, or these so cold cold air or short ram intakes that connect to the stock tb and manifold. none of those are fixing the problem, a restrictive intake manifold and cat. I intend to through it all away, the entirety of both whole systems, and replace them. the exhaust will be easier, so long as I can find a high flow cat in 2.25 diameter, because I'll be using generic prefabbed mandril bent steel, a cheap pair of used headers (depending upon the find I'd like dc's or megans, but nobody seems to be willing to part with theres unless theyve upgraded to a turbo, which is not super common) or possibly those ebay cheapies, although I'd rather not, a few of them look hardly better than a polished version of the oem manifold.

the intake is going to be troublesome, as it has several thing's attached to I don't even know what they are for. MAFS would be easy enough to relocate, but there's some rubberized hose attached to it as well, and I dunno what it's for, how it works, and how what I have in mind will effect it, even if I make a replica connection to my intake manifold. is the increased air flow going to effect whatever that thing is, and and if so, negatively or positively? for anyone willing to give a shout out...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Ahboo/yaris.jpg

ps. anyone know the diameter of the 1.5l tb and the 1.8l tb off the top of their heads?

btw, an example of what a real intake looks like, though a bit too much tube for my taste. i'm going to try to have them go straight down to a collector (ie throttlebody) with a wide mouth scoop under the radiator to pull off legit ram air intake mani. should be fun.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

^ That's one of the PCV hoses. On my setup, I have that line going to an oil catch can, then back to the manifold.

I commend you for your willingness to make your own intake manifold, but can only wonder if it will be worth it. On NA, I doubt that it's as big of a restriction as you're making it out to be.

Btw, dunno the TB diameters, but I can tell you the 1ZZ compared to the 1NZ is a huge difference. Nearly double in size.

[YarisPR]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Ahboo/yaris.jpg



The only air going in my IM (oem) is the one coming from the CAI, the other hoses are gone :smoking:

[Thirty-Nine]

The reason there is not full cat-back exhaust system is because Toyota welds a cat into the piping. You can't just unbolt it at the cat like you could on a Civic, for example. So, rather than sell a $700+ exhaust system that includes a cat, they offer an axleback. Then, those that want to do a cat back at least have the back section. There are plenty of companies that offer axle-back exhaust systems (plus some people just want the sound). Heck, Borla offers an axle-back rear section for my dad's Corvette.

If you search (perhaps you already did) about intake manifolds, there has been research done, but there isn't an off-the-shelf item. Why? Likely demand. There is such a small sect of us lunatic fringe people that modify our Yarii, that it probably don't make business sense to do that. Ditto that for the other mods.

It's just a fact that there aren't a ton of people modding Yarii or other subcompact vehicles. I'm very happy for what we have, though, and Garm at Micro Image and NST have been good conduits for getting product to market.

[cali yaris]

the intake is going to be troublesome, as it has several thing's attached to I don't even know what they are for.

a cheap pair of used headers

there's some rubberized hose attached to it as well, and I dunno what it's for

Now I understand.

[xnamerxx]

the right way is going all the way to the engine block, none of this axleback exhaust shenanigans, or these so cold cold air or short ram intakes that connect to the stock tb and manifold. none of those are fixing the problem, a restrictive intake manifold and cat. I intend to through it all away, the entirety of both whole systems, and replace them. the exhaust will be easier, so long as I can find a high flow cat in 2.25 diameter, because I'll be using generic prefabbed mandril bent steel, a cheap pair of used headers (depending upon the find I'd like dc's or megans, but nobody seems to be willing to part with theres unless theyve upgraded to a turbo, which is not super common) or possibly those ebay cheapies, although I'd rather not, a few of them look hardly better than a polished version of the oem manifold.

the intake is going to be troublesome, as it has several thing's attached to I don't even know what they are for. MAFS would be easy enough to relocate, but there's some rubberized hose attached to it as well, and I dunno what it's for, how it works, and how what I have in mind will effect it, even if I make a replica connection to my intake manifold. is the increased air flow going to effect whatever that thing is, and and if so, negatively or positively? for anyone willing to give a shout out...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/Ahboo/yaris.jpg

ps. anyone know the diameter of the 1.5l tb and the 1.8l tb off the top of their heads?

btw, an example of what a real intake looks like, though a bit too much tube for my taste. i'm going to try to have them go straight down to a collector (ie throttlebody) with a wide mouth scoop under the radiator to pull off legit ram air intake mani. should be fun.


I have to ask this question, if you don't know what your looking at on the engine how do you feel comfortable enough in tearing it apart?

[tk1971]

Just weighing in, as someone who has taken a car to the hilt and went full circle back to an econo-commuter.

1) The Yaris is a ~100 hp front wheel drive car. Toyota implemented an electronic power steering mechanism just to spare the engine of an additional belt driven device (I'm assuming this fact, which may or may not be true). How much more power can there be without forced induction?

2) Even with more power (I would imagine a turbo or supercharger can give a good 20-50 HP at the wheels depending on tuning and PSI). How much power is usable with the stock drive train? Remember, it's a front wheel drive car without a limited slip. How much power is too much for the transmission (whichever tranny of your choosing)?

3) I've had a 95 Civic DX once when I was younger. I fell for the ads full of girls and promises of running against Mustangs. I didn't see more power until I added a NOS kit. Then after blowing the engine, I got more reliable power with a JDM Integra Type R engine swap. Not cheap.

4) After the Civic, I got myself a V6 Maxima, then the first year IS300. The Max was a beast with cat deletes, exhaust and CAI, but it was still front wheel drive and left me wanting. The IS300 was a joke and a lemon. I swore I'd never own another Toyota.

5) I then got the first year WRX in 02. AWD was the way to go in power distribution. Engine was solid and had more power than I'd ever had with the IS300. Reliable too (in stock form). Then, I slapped a VF30 turbo on that thing, along with all the needed stuff (STI injectors, bigger fuel pump, Perrin fuel rail, cat deletes, full exhaust, electronic boost controller, and a piggyback computer with dyno map to control it all). Dynoed with comparable horsepower and torque as the JDM STI that wasn't available in the US at the time. I was perfectly happy until I busted something. As I understand it, the piggyback ECU was electrically vamp clamped to the stock ECU and something went loose, leaning out one of the cylinders. I lost compression in one cylinder after dumping over $5k into the car. I will never trust another t-tap connector again.

6) My stock EVO IX was a beast. Better than my VF30 WRX in every way. This is especially true with the brakes. Note to all tuners... Don't forget upgrading brakes if you add HP to your car. Stopping/handling is just as important as going. I left the EVO stock. Had kids and can't use it with a newborn due to the harsh suspension.

7) Had a couple more vehicles here and there. But hopefully, you get the idea about power.

I'm now perfectly happy with my stock manual tranny Yaris with only a 19mm rear sway bar. It is what it is, an econo-car for commuting. Just keep the mods in perspective with the stock engine capabilities. Don't expect miracles without spending lots of money. Happy modding.

[Viperoni]

Now I understand.

I was waiting for somebody to point this out ;)

[fnkngrv]

I agree with Garm and the senior buys altogether. I guess I am still confused on why the OP is concentrating so hard on the intake and exhaust? If you are a car buff then you would know that those aren't going to buy you what it sounds like you are looking for in a bump. Some type of forced induction is really the only way to go to get really decent gains if you are not going to rebuild the bottom end of the motor. As for the car not having a limited slip and that literally limiting you on how much power you can put to the ground you are right, but I have also spoken with a few folks that are in the 200-250 hp range without one and they seem to do fine. I have no doubt that moving over to the LSD would net them even more real bump to the pavement. Other than a Starlet swap into my 96 Tercel this is my real foray into an import. I am used to the American muscle cars of the 60s/70s which maybe the OP is as well. Other than the B series in the Hondas what other economy (especially import) powerplants have you heard of being built for pure performance and as Garm said in a short period of years?

[cali yaris]

2) Even with more power (I would imagine a turbo or supercharger can give a good 20-50 HP at the wheels depending on tuning and PSI). How much power is usable with the stock drive train? Remember, it's a front wheel drive car without a limited slip. How much power is too much for the transmission (whichever tranny of your choosing)?

357 whp is not too much. Stock trans is holding up just fine.

with the right tires and an LSD, it put the power DOWN too. :biggrin:

[cali yaris]

How much more power can there be without forced induction?

Jason is making great power in the N/A Yaris race car. However, you can't get big gains without tuning and management.

[cali yaris]

I would imagine a turbo or supercharger can give a good 20-50 HP at the wheels depending on tuning and PSI)

Your estimate is low. Customers bolting on the Zage turbo kit ($1629 shipped) and then tuning it are getting +80 whp.

[yaris rs]

I've spent a lot of time looking up parts, trying to gain some bolt on performance for my yaris, the right way, and it seems relatively impossible due to a lack luster aftermarket, and apparently customers content with that.

Until I started looking at parts for my yaris I had never heard of an "axle back exhaust". Seriously, its a muffler and a tip. A relatively minor part of a system whose biggest effect is soumd, which is great, but not what I'm looking for overall. The selection of headers is decent, at least there's that, but why no high flow cats? Easily the most restrictive part of any exhaust system is a shitty manifold followed by oem cats. And all this mid pipe business, why isn't it just referred to as tubing like everywhere else?


Personally I'm not spending the kind of money this aftermarket has grown used to getting for this car. But I'm not content to leave it stock. This won't be easy, but I'm going to start gathering stuff I need to build my own, quality and FULL intake and exhaust systems for as cheap as can be. I know quality and cheap to be an oxymoron in general, but doing the work yourself usually yields the best of both worlds .

Notable mention: NST's underdrive and light weight pulleys are the only performance product out there that I'm satisfied with, a respectable price for a precision machine and balanced product that yields an actual gain? I haven't bought them yet, but they are on the list (soon as I figure out what to underdrive, just lighten, or overdrive according to my needs)

Ps, why are there no brain kits for the auto tranny? I'm a stranger to fwd til now, but surely brain kits will work as well for a fwd as well as a rwd?

I will play just because.

1) Wtf were you thinking when you bought an econocar + high-performance aftermarket parts... where do you ever see those 2 words associated in the car world.

2) Are you an idiot-savant or something? In reguards to your 2nd post... "lower costs by having customers build the item..". You obviously have no concept of business, marketing or logic. The average consumer doesn't work on their cars as-is and you 'expect' people to house a welder in their garage like a microwave in their kitchen?? Right...
Also do you know the time/money that goes into product development? Do you seriously think Garm has a dyno, 50k and endless time to make something to sell you @ 1/2 price because you want to play 'mechanic' in your spare time with your AT econo-high-performance car?

3) You gather everything you need to build a 'quality' full intake and exhaust, enjoy the 10-15hp. Or take that time, energy and other resources and buy a turbo head unit and fabricate from there.. you might actually get your money/heart's worth with that setup.

I'm not personally attacking you, merely stating and pointing out the flaws with your cognition and perception. (in a direct/blunt manner)

:biggrin:

[tk1971]

Garm,

Those look like respectable numbers, but I can't compare, since all my AWD dyno experience has been with a Dynalog Dyno. All my front wheel turbo car observations are based on the turbo Neon. I consistently see them spin out on one wheel.

[big lo]

Wow, lol

[tk1971]

Your estimate is low. Customers bolting on the Zage turbo kit ($1629 shipped) and then tuning it are getting +80 whp.

In my case with my WRX, tuning on a dyno cost more than I expected. As a daily driver, I'd encounter on-road problems, then it's back to the tuner, etc... Gets old.

What does ~100 HP stock Yaris translate to in whp on the dyno you use? About 80? Add 80 more and that's about 160whp. What does a stock SRT4 (Neon) pull on the same dyno? Looking strictly at money (kits, install, tuning, wheels/tires, etc.), sometimes it's cheaper to start off with more. 160 wph is also about the point where an LSD becomes a good idea. I can't imagine driving in the rain w/o one at that point (expecially with stock 14's or even 15's). Just saying...

Props to you and your Yaris beast, but mine is just a daily driver and I'm perfectly happy with it. My post to the OP was to help him keep things in perspective and to have a well defined goal before spending money.

[cali yaris]

^ Stock Yaris makes 90-95 whp. Dyno tuning costs $300-$750.

my post was to keep the numbers real, since I know what they are. And to answer your questions about (1) the stock trans (2) N/A power, and (3) what a basic turbo kit makes on the car.

[cdydjded]

OP is MIA, I say troll.....

[ilikerice]

^^ yea.. I think he bought the car on impulse and think he bit off more then he can chew.. also thinking his mind set is still set in the big displacement motors and trying to convert that knowledge to the little 1.5L.. its like going from soccer to american football.. different ball game..

ALSO, id like to point out.. even the new mustang 5.0 has an axleback muffler that u purchase separately from the mid piping.. not only that, but the CATs are welded into the midpipe as well. and a few other newer domestics now i think about it... so the concept is the same for most newer vehicles..

[tk1971]

^ Stock Yaris makes 90-95 whp. Dyno tuning costs $300-$750.

my post was to keep the numbers real, since I know what they are. And to answer your questions about (1) the stock trans (2) N/A power, and (3) what a basic turbo kit makes on the car.

All good info to know, especially from someone who has personally done it. You have no idea how valuable that kind of first hand info is. Thanks.

I must say that I'm surprised the stock tranny can take that much more power.

This is all good news to me, knowing that I can't break it in my daily commute. I guess this is collaborated by the number of high mileage vehicles out there.

Cali_Yaris, just out of curiosity, with a turbo or supercharger kit... does the Yaris require a different intake? From my experience on the WRX and EVO, the cars throw a fit on the dyno with any intake mods (including the K&N drop in).

[cali yaris]

OP is MIA, I say troll.....

+1

does the Yaris require a different intake?

if you mean intake manifold? The supercharger comes with its own (since it's on the cold side). Turbo kits make use of the stock manifold, but provide their own intake tube and filter.

[xnamerxx]

^^ yea.. I think he bought the car on impulse and think he bit off more then he can chew.. also thinking his mind set is still set in the big displacement motors and trying to convert that knowledge to the little 1.5L.. its like going from soccer to american football.. different ball game..


Id be more willing to bet he came from a chevy 350, lt1 or a ford 5.0. When cars weren't engineered all that well and replacing stock parts with aftermarket really did help things.

Its not that its a different ball game because its really not, toyota spent a lot of money to make sure this motor is going to be all it can be and still pass emission and cafe standards. Sure you can gain the odd 10 horsepower or so but in stock form the hardware is extremely efficient.

I have learned something over the years though, if I have no idea what I'm looking or what it does its probably not a good idea to remove or modify it.

[ilikerice]

^^good points^^ and my analogy is probably not the best in the world but that is what i was trying to say. ill keep my literature to myself cuz it sounded better in my head then on paper *shrugs*

[xnamerxx]

I didnt mean to sound critical just sort of explaining it a little better. His comments on the intake screamed guy who came from a car built before '88.

[LA Yaris]

^ that's not a bad idea. But if people are willing to do a little custom work, why haven't people bought the Weapon R intake ?

I have a Weapon R intake

[ilikerice]

I didnt mean to sound critical just sort of explaining it a little better. His comments on the intake screamed guy who came from a car built before '88.

lol, no, i know what your were saying. and no offense taken on this side.. i also re read my post and shook my head *facepalm*. you worded it better, but it was what i was trying to say.

[cali yaris]

I have a Weapon R intake

Intake manifold?

[malibuguy]

and the only catback that i know of is the magnaflow for over $500, sheesh...(before you say it i'm already planning on getting something custom bent for alot less)

if your paying much less then that for something "custom" your getting garbage, 14g crush-bent junk thats going to rot out in 1-3 years, that also weighs more then stock 409ss tubing, plus crush-bends are horrible if you are actually looking to get performance gains on the + side over stock.

leave the crush bent junk for a stock replacement exhaust on your grandma's '94 accord

[cali yaris]

^ do you have access to a Yaris? it's not a trick question, I have an idea, given your shop URL.

[bladesmith6]

With all due respect dude, it's a short car with a single exhaust all you have to do is shop around a bit. Granted stainless will cost me a bit more that the dual exhaust plain steel setups I used to get but not that much.

[malibuguy]

^ do you have access to a Yaris? it's not a trick question, I have an idea, given your shop URL.

i will after tonight, when i pick mine up from the dealer

i'd like to make some stuff for the yaris lovers

[ilikerice]

^^ i like this guy already ^^

[LA Yaris]

Intake manifold?

No just the intake

[pwisenbaker]

I contacted Weapon R regarding potential of an intake manifold based on the vesrsion for the Scion. They said not at this time BUT maybe in the near future. Sounded to me like they are working on one and are hesitant to make it known. I think the Yaris community needs to contact Weapon R and petition them for one.

[TrashCan Monster]

If the OP wants to up the "fun to drive" factor, just get suspension. All these little bolt ons have marginal gains when hp/$ is brought into the equation

[PHXDEMON]

I can't help but LOL @ someone buying an underpowered FWD car with an AUTO tranny and then complain about lack of performance.

[PHXDEMON]

The car is a ton of fun to daily with a proper transmission and some suspension work.

[why?]

Of course you can, you just won't pay for a one-off (and I don't blame you). I got one made. When I looked at production costs versus the number of Yaris owners that would really pony up the money (and not just say they would), I backed off.

EVERY parts project I've done for this car so far has undersold, some pretty badly. That's either me making bad stuff, or something going on with the integrity of the buyers. Take your pick.

The vast majority of Yaris owners are simply not going to spend a lot of money on this car. It's not a criticism of anyone, it's just the truth, based on my own business experience.

I would spend the $$$ Garm, if I had it. I think that some of us are just poor bastards. A few parts I've gotten were used at a discount so its the only reason I was able to afford them, and the seller was offering a great deal. My biggest expense for the Yaris was over $1,100, and it was all cosmetic (new front end from that wreck I had last winter, and I went to you of course :biggrin:)

I'm way happier with the aftermarket support than I was in 2006 when I first got my Yaris. About the only thing out there was strut bars or springs at the time.

Also, I'm VERY happy with my automatic transmission and am impressed with it's performance compared to almost every other auto I've owned/driven. Yea it sucks there's zero aftermarket for it, but I needed a new car and mine came well equipped. Problem was the yaris just came out in WA state when I got mine, and the closest manual was in Alaska at a $2k price premium.

I agree, I think my wishlist for MI is something like $2000, but I'm still looking for a job that can pay my bills, never mind buy me goodies. I think I finally found one though.

The other thing about the Civic scene is the suspension. The scene definitely didn't truly blow up until you could get them second or third hand for cheap, but that independent rear suspension was a huge impact as well. It is amazing how the import scene almost dropped the newer Civics when they changed the rear suspension.

The Echo didn't help in the US, since we only got the absolute ugliest version, and not even a hatch. The used Yarii are just getting to the point of cheap to pick up and mess with, so who knows, maybe the aftermarket could see an influx of people with some cash to spend.