fnkngrv's turbo installation

[fnkngrv]

Well if all goes as planned my kit will be installed in April. If I can get really lucky I will also be picking up my Bslang harness by then as well. If anyone is interested they can check out my blog for my progress so far.



http://yarisworld.com/forums/blog.php?bt=725


Before anyone asks I am not sure when I will be putting the car on the dyno yet since nearby options are limited. Once I have it installed I will have comparison videos however when it is complete.

[cali yaris]

cool!

Is the exhaust manifold piping inset into the flange, or welded to a flat surface?

[fnkngrv]

Gonna have to look closer that that to be honest. When I took the pics last night I really just put out all the parts to be sure there was no damage from the USPS because there was 3 holes/tears in the box.

[cali yaris]

^ just curious

[fnkngrv]

Why is this posted in someone's build thread?

+1

[fnkngrv]

Turbo installed. It was an awesome weekend with cdydjded and a buddy. Great fun, great work, great food, great company, and great power finally. I will have pics and video to post in the following week. I just ordered my wideband kit and am scheduled for a dyno run/tune the beginning of next week.

[mazilla]

Killer...can't wait to see a vid.


If you don't mind, what'd this whole thing end up costing you?

[fnkngrv]

^ I will give a synopsis after I dyno next week along with a parts list.

[47_MasoN_47]

We need to have an AL meet some time, I'd like to drag yours against mine just to see the difference :P

[Focus_Sh1ft]

:clap:

[fnkngrv]

We need to have an AL meet some time, I'd like to drag yours against mine just to see the difference :P

Are you running FI now?

[Bluevitz-rs]

You need to update your blog with fresh picts! :thumbup:

[fnkngrv]

Here is the install pics. I just recently opened up my account with flickr since I can actually get to the site from work. There are 99 pics so my blog will only reference the link to the set as well. I uploaded last evening and have not had the opportunity to place photo descriptors yet.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fnkngrv/sets/72157626972945192/

[Bluevitz-rs]

Cool! Nice work. I think this is the first time I've seen the MAF used downstream of the turbo. I'm curious to know if it's any different.

[Yoda]

That's Carlos's kit. Looks like he is finally selling them now. Always loved the clean look of it.

[fnkngrv]

That's Carlos's kit. Looks like he is finally selling them now. Always loved the clean look of it.


Yup...it is very pleasant to the eye. I have had a couple people actually look under my hood since the install and had no clue other than the pipe over the engine cover. Also with how the front bumper goes "straight" down and with where the intercooler mounted you can't even really tell I am boosted from the front. The quiet exhaust lends to being stock as well.

[Yoda]

What psi is it set for?

[fnkngrv]

What psi is it set for?

1,000,000,000 pounds!

http://ideologyofmadness.spookyouthouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/dr-evil.jpg


internal wastegate is set to 6~7 lbs.

[BEEF]

how much was the kit and did it come with everything you needed? i have seen kits for roughly $1600 but it says it does not come with management so i figure the cost to be significantly higher after you get everything you need.

I know you said you were going to wait and get all the details before you say what you paid but was just curious what your "kit" cost and if it came with at least most of the stuff.

I spent way too much time at work looking at your photo gallery. it is a good clean install. looks really nice.

[fnkngrv]

^ Carlos would be the one to ask about the price of the kit. I did some upgrades so I honestly cannot recall what the base price was. Additional stuff done was the FIC, powder and ceramic coating, gauges, boomslang, exhaust...I think that was over and above the kit however the kit comes with everything else really. The piping, turbo, hoses, high quality clamps, BOV, injectors, fittings, high flow downpipe, etc were all in the kit. His kit is similar to the Zage in that it gives you what would be the essentials and you pick up the "custom" stuff that you would want to go with it al a carte.

In regards to the install, thanks. Carlos did most of the work with assists from myself and my buddy John. He was professional and knowledgeable.

[fnkngrv]

Well for those of you that don't know I have had issues since the install when attempting to use the FIC. I was finally able to get down to visit with CTScott and leave my car with him for the week. He has found a couple possible issues with my Boomslang harness which he is going to address so I am keeping my fingers crossed that I will actually be able to use the setup as it should be used. Since install I have been bypassing the FIC and using the stock ECU 100%. As long as boosting with WOT it has been great and dumping fuel as it should however if feathering the throttle the car will run lean. Not super lean, but lean nonetheless. I still have no regrets buying the custom kit from Carlos (Turbo_Yaris) as it has been solid and pretty much been able to leave it to run. I am not sure what the folks over at Boomslang are doing or whether or not there have been others that have had messed up harnesses? If this doesn't resolve my issue then the next step will be to approach AEM about replacing the FIC.

[cali yaris]

I am not sure what the folks over at Boomslang are doing or whether or not there have been others that have had messed up harnesses? If this doesn't resolve my issue then the next step will be to approach AEM about replacing the FIC.

Has it been determined with 100% certainty that the harness is defective? I can't tell from your post, especially this last part.

[fnkngrv]

Has it been determined with 100% certainty that the harness is defective? I can't tell from your post, especially this last part.


The answer to that would be no at this time however with the modifications that Scott will be making I am hoping for an answer in the next 24-48 hrs. We did shoot Brian an email to have him look at his harness since his was built and purchased at the same time as mine. I am awaiting a response from his as well.

[cali yaris]

That will be very helpful. I have two on the shelf and need to know if they should go back to Boomslang for modification.

[fnkngrv]

That will be very helpful. I have two on the shelf and need to know if they should go back to Boomslang for modification.

Will let you know for sure. I could have shipped mine back to Boomslang, but then the car would be off the road and I can't afford that. Also I have no issue with trusting Scott. He has been an immense help with all of my electrical questions over the last year.

[CTScott]

Tonight I will be modifying the harness, so we'll have the answer. The issue that I found with it last night is that the MAF (VG) signal and the Crank position sensor (NE-) signal are supposed to be "intercepts" rather than "taps" as they are wired on the boomslang. As-is. the F/IC can only read, and not override the MAF and Crank signals to the ECM.

[Brian]

I'm hoping to get my F/IC back from AEM this week. Everything was working perfectly with my Boomslang and F/IC except for the starting issue. Did Carlos modify your Boomslang at all?

[fnkngrv]

If I recall correctly he only removed a couple resistors because the harness was designed for the 1nz for the scions and not the Yaris...but I could be recollecting wrong.

[CTScott]

If I recall correctly he only removed a couple resistors because the harness was designed for the 1nz for the scions and not the Yaris...but I could be recollecting wrong.

I didn't see any signs that it has been modified.

[cali yaris]

^ interesting. I remember Carlos posting that these harnesses were made for the Yaris, but maybe that was after that first one was made. My memory isn't that good.

[fnkngrv]

I am trying to tecall conversations he said he had with boomslang but we discussed so much it is foggy.

[Brian]

I contacted Boomslang before I bought the harness and they said it was made for the Yaris. Is there anyone else besides the 3 or 4 known users that are actually using the harness?

[cali yaris]

The issue that I found with it last night is that the MAF (VG) signal and the Crank position sensor (NE-) signal are supposed to be "intercepts" rather than "taps" as they are wired on the boomslang. As-is. the F/IC can only read, and not override the MAF and Crank signals to the ECM.

CTScott, Boomslang's answer:

Hello,

We intercept the MAF and CKP signals.

MAF is light green output--white input.

CKP is orange/white output—orange/black input.

Sounds like he’s reading the harness wrong.

[CTScott]

CTScott, Boomslang's answer:

Hello,

We intercept the MAF and CKP signals.

MAF is light green output--white input.

CKP is orange/white output—orange/black input.

Sounds like he’s reading the harness wrong.



My answer to them - Maybe they should try to get their act together...

On Adrien's Boomslang:

CPS (NE+) is orange/black input, orange/white output

MAF (VG) is white input, no output.
CPS (NE-) is yellow/black input, no output.
Both of these signals should be intercepts, per AEM.

[cali yaris]

got pics? otherwise, it's a word game.

Further, Adrian's harness may not be the production piece they make now. That is still in question.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

CTScott, just so you know - my crank signal is tapped. I tried to intercept it and the car wouldn't start. This make sense - the FIC only needs to see the crank signal, not manipulate it.

As for the MAF - that definitely is a problem (although I'm sure I don't need to be the one to tell you that lol).

On a side note: I'm bummed you didn't come down to Jersey for help Adrian. You could have delivered that kit I'm still hoping to buy from you :wink:

[CTScott]

CTScott, just so you know - my crank signal is tapped. I tried to intercept it and the car wouldn't start. This make sense - the FIC only needs to see the crank signal, not manipulate it.

As for the MAF - that definitely is a problem (although I'm sure I don't need to be the one to tell you that lol).

So, your NE+ (pin 122 of the ECM) is tapped as well as the NE- (pin 121)?

[cali yaris]

sorry to run this on two forums, but it helps everyone I think:

Boomslang:

Cps ne- is the crank timing ground. It is supposed to be spliced into, not intercepted. Same goes for the cam timing ground.

We worked with AEM on the CKP/CAM/timing ground wiring on the newer Toyotas back in 2007 before the FIC was readily available. We’ve made a couple thousand Toyota/Scion harnesses since.

MAF output is light green, same color as the extension portion of the harness, it blends right in.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

If I remember correctly, I tapped the MAGI+ and MAGI- wires to crank + and crank ground respectively, and the MAGO wires (+ and -) were left unused.

EDIT: What Garm quoted makes perfect sense as well. Basically just try all three methods until you get one to work. I don't understand why intercepts didn't work for me but whatever - taps work.

Oh yeah and Adrian - I hate to say I told you so but... Well, I did. :cool:

[Brian]

my crank signal is tapped. I tried to intercept it and the car wouldn't start. This make sense - the FIC only needs to see the crank signal, not manipulate it.

This might explain my starting issue. I'll pull my harness this weekend and take some pics.

[Bluevitz-rs]

How does the FIC retard timing if the crank signal isn't intercepted? Does it also intercept the 4 ignition signals?

[CTScott]

How does the FIC retard timing if the crank signal isn't intercepted? Does it also intercept the 4 ignition signals?

It only connects to the injectors, CAM, Crank, and MAF. There is no direct control over spark, just timing via intercept of the crank (if it is wired in intercept mode).

[Bluevitz-rs]

That's what I thought. That's why I don't understand people's problems with it wired in series with the FIC.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

I finally had a chance to double check my wiring today. It turns out I intercepted the positive crank wire, and tapped the negative. Same with the cams. I also verified ignition can, in fact, be adjusted.

[fnkngrv]

2007 Yaris Sedan
Custom T28 Turbo 7psi
underdrive crank pulley
15" stock steelies
winterforce tires
AEM F/IC
AEM UEGO Wideband
High Flow Cat
2.5" mandrel bent exhaust
MagnaFlow 6" canister universal high flow muffler
91 octane with STP octane boost
HKS Super Sequential BOV


http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m563/fnkngrv/FNKNGRVDynoPull7psi23Feb12.jpg

No video at this time. Will record video after fuel pump is upgraded possibly within next 30-60 days.

[ilikerice]

:drool:

[cali yaris]

excellent!

What changed from all the "going lean at 5k" etc.?

[fnkngrv]

excellent!

What changed from all the "going lean at 5k" etc.?

Well that is an interesting story. Apparently they had heat soaked the motor to the point that while on the dyno during his first pulls the car was going rish and then super lean at around 52-5400. During the 3 days he had my car he did 28 dyno pulls. On the evening before I came back to the shop he took the car out and did a road test. When he did that he was noticing that he was able to get to around 6100 before it would do the same thing. Alex wasn't surprised because of course a dyno is not the road. He made some final adjustments and didn't soak the motor as deeply and then took it out for another test drive immediately. He was still being able to run up to 6k. He also feels that I am actually around 180-185HP on the road. I picked up the car late yesterday afternoon and drove it the 420 miles home. The car ran great for the most part. I know that I have some work still left to be done to have it as close to perfect that an F/IC can get it. My plans are still to go with a stand alone down the road. The F/IC is merely a stepping stone. He said that he could not confirm for sure that once I upgrade my fuel system whether or not it will net more power, but he feels that it could because the car is still producing power when he lets off at the 5900/6000rpm point.

[47_MasoN_47]

Nice! Glad it looks like you finally got the kinks worked out of it man. Have you done the new paintjob and all that jazz yet?

[fnkngrv]

^ not yet. slated for End of March into April if all goes well.

[47_MasoN_47]

Awesome, I'm looking forward to seeing that one when it's finished up.

BTW I bought a machine gun instead of a subwoofer, lol.

[malibuguy]

Fucking awesome. Damnit...i really want to build my turbo kit for the Yaris. But i have to finish the race car first.

[cali yaris]

Zage Turbo Kit

Status: In Stock
Quantity On Hand: (1)

Just saying.

[why?]

Awesome, I'm looking forward to seeing that one when it's finished up.

BTW I bought a machine gun instead of a subwoofer, lol.

ok that is just awesome.

[fnkngrv]

Fucking awesome. Damnit...i really want to build my turbo kit for the Yaris. But i have to finish the race car first.

At this point I would go with Garm's Zage instead of building a custom one. The reasons are mainly 2 fold. One is that with Garm you will have vendor support, not to say that Carlos doesn't support me because he does, but he isn't making anymore kits either. I am referencing Zage/Custom. The other part of this is community support. The second is that even though having the MAF sensor where mine is near the TB and it providing more accurate temps it does cause some tuning issues as opposed to the location with the Zage. Now this would be a moot point if I was running a full stand alone, but if you are looking for an actual "kit" then the Zage works well as it is when coupled to an AEM F/IC per the community.

[fnkngrv]

Anyone interested in continuing to follow my progress please see the following thread and article on MI:

http://www.microimageonline.com/forums/showthread.php/4785-Finally-should-be-getting-tuned-on-Monday!-W00T!

http://www.microimageonline.com/forums/content.php/166-FNKNGRV-s-Fuel-System-Upgrade-Project-for-Tiamat

[fnkngrv]

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m563/fnkngrv/1st%20Engine%20Removal/2012-06-17200345-1.jpg


Well I am officially back on the road after about 6 weeks. It should have been done much faster than that, but ran into a few gotchas:

- Replacement motor from New England Auto Parts had a damaged upper and lower pan which caused the greatest bit of delay. They did come good on sending me parts to replace those ones however I was forced to have a temporary fix to resolve the upper pan being cracked with Automotive Goop until I can afford the time, labor, etc to pull the motor again to replace it!
- Alternator lower mounting bolt stripped and had to be tapped.
- Camshaft Oil Control Valve Assembly unit was damaged and did not realize it until first runs of the motor. After much research your best bet will be to go directly through Toyota for the part and they are never stocked!
- Torn radiator hose did not become apparent until first couple runs
- Fabrication time for new turbo exhaust manifold to accommodate external wastegate
- A couple gaskets that were Toyota direct only and had wait time involved
- Leaks, leaks, leaks


Big thanks to D&M Racing for all of their help and perceverance through the evenings hard fought to get her to come back together. Also thanks to Garm Beall/MicroImageOnline, Brian/Alex with Granite State Dyno, Carlos Don , and Scott McClure for their assistance through the process.

Some items that were upgraded during the installation of the replacement motor:

- NST Cage Bushings and engine compartment linkage bushings
- NST in cabin short shifter
- Micro Image shifter linkage bracket
- Micro Image silicone radiator hose set
- Autometer Fuel Pressure Gauge kit
- CCI Lightweight Flywheel
- CCI Stage 3 clutch kit
- Tial MV-S External Wastegate
- Grimmspeed Universal Manual Boost Controller
- ARP Exhaust Manifold Bolts
- Changed all fluids to AMSOIL
- Grade 8 bolt for lower alternator mounting point
- AFE Conical Air Filter replaced K&N (used filter from old AFE Stage 2 CAI)
- Firestone Air Ride Air Bladder Suspension Kit for rears to remove rubbing issues from 235/40/18s
- Might be more, but it escapes me for now

Link to album of process:

http://s1132.photobucket.com/albums/m563/fnkngrv/1st%20Engine%20Removal/

I do have a few items remaining to be dealt with:

- Replace upper oil pan sub assembly (hoping to wait until full motor build)
- Get Oil Pressure Gauge working again (believe that sending unit was damaged during motor blowing)
- Resolve clutch issues (Hard time shifting into first without pumping pedal couple times 50/50. Can always do it if I shift into 2nd then to 1st. Sometimes car bucks and shifts hard into reverse. Have bled the piss out of the clutch, used alignment tool, etc. CCI has hunch for some reason that my clutch master cylinder was going bad or slave cylinder.)
- New dyno tune
- A/C line reroute due to external wastegate installation

The motor itself runs like a top. Showed up with a little over 23k miles on it.

[fnkngrv]

Oh and since there might be folks asking if I upgraded the internals, etc the answer is no. I had to make certain decisions. The work that was done was something that was usable now and will enhance my build when it does happen in a few months (if all goes well). In order for me to make the record in production supercharged (Land Speed Runs) I needed to keep stock internals. Once I upgrade those I will have to pay to "upgrade" my category to Modified Production Gas Couple and will be a in totally different world of competition.

[cali yaris]

SWEET

[pimp my yaris]

Fixed the leak. Great!

[fnkngrv]

Fixed the leak. Great!


Yeah, Scott's idea to use Automotive Goop seems to be holding just fine. I have only driven 50 miles so far and haven't broken 4 grand on the tach so we will see how well it will hold up. I am hoping that it makes it through the fall.

[fnkngrv]

Been a while again since I have performed any upgrades. I have just completed some more this week in preparation for the 2013 Harvest Edition of the LTA Land Speed Runs. You can see further information in the fuel system article that I posted a new comment to on MI:

http://FNKNGRV's Fuel System Upgrade Project for Tiamat (http://www.microimageonline.com/forums/content.php/166?postid=84086#comments_84086)

:w00t:

[cali yaris]

Best of luck on the upcoming runs!!

[fnkngrv]

Best of luck on the upcoming runs!!

Thank you sir! :w00t:

[fnkngrv]

Well after a year and a half I finally got around to pulling apart the stock motor to really see what happened. I was pretty surprised to see that only the #1 cylinder met with a catastrophic failure. The #2 rod may have belt a little, but CTScott will be determining that as I am donating the piston/rod/ring sets from cylinders 2,3, and 4 for a project he is working on. I confirmed that I blew 6 holes through the block and upper oil pan sub-assembly. You can see in the pictures where the piston, rod, and valves were damaged on #1 without a problem.

Newest Photos Sorted First (http://s1132.photobucket.com/user/fnkngrv/library/1st%20Engine%20Removal)