ExtremeCold
04-07-2011, 02:17 AM
Hello everyone
First, im new to this forum.
I felt the need to ask on this forum because i couldn't find the answer anywhere. Since i'm new, it is possible that this has been answered already but with a basic search did not find the right answer. Sorry if it's been answered as i do not want to start a flame on this forum.
also if i have posted this on the wrong section, please feel free to move it.
So here's the deal.
I own this 2008 Hatchback Yaris that i got 2 years ago. It is fully paid...since it is paid with hard earned cash, i try to take care of it (if you know what i mean).
The last 2 years i've been driving this stock cars and the only mod i did was to add fog lights, trailer hitch, and a roof rack + a luggage box.
And for some reason, the last 2 weeks, ive been reading and analyzing tons of documents online regarding K&N Cold air intake. I've probably read through 6 or 7 forums (without posting...) this forum being the first that i post on, checked over 20 video on youtube, read 30+ websites...some technical.
The idea of my research was to figure out wheter i should replace to stock air kit for CAI without changing the muffler and without reprograming the chip.
The initial goal was only to obtain a better MPG in city. Getting 1 or 2 hp (was marely a bonus to my mind). Better acceleration uphill was also a plus. And lastly the sporty sound that we get from this type of operation.
Because the answers and opinions vary alot from person to person, i choose not to debate on CAI but rather on the Warranty Policy and Inssurance that this change can involve.
You see, i had to decide if the $400 bucks investment was worth the change. To do that i had to evaluate the gain, the lost, the consequences especially the risks.
Many of the mechanical terms were new to me. For instance, i did not know much about Hydrolocking before doing research on CAI.
So before doing the changes, i just had to be certain of my move. So i called not only 1 local toyota dealer but about 3 more just to stay on the safe side.
I asked them about CAI and here is the answer they all gave me:
Changing the CAI do not void the warranty of the vehicule however if the item that i replace is the cause of the damage or has a clear link with the damage i'm issuing (and they must prove it) then the repair regarding that damage will not be covered by the warranty.
I.E: if the engine dies beyond cheap repair (over heat or something) and it it caused by the CAI (even if it has been properly installed by an expert, then i will have to pay for the repair this including buying a new engine if i have to.
The second problem i encountered was with the insurance company. I called them asking about insurance and Hydrolock.
For a stock vehicule with only cosmetic changes, i am fully covered by the insurance. If a tree falls on the car, if a large city pothole damage the car, if the car hydrolock because of a huricane or because of a catastrophic flood condition etc... i am fully covered by the insurance. They pay for the tow and repair.
However they said that if i installed a Cold Air intake. ( and i even supplied them with the part number and brand of the CAI) The claim departement told me that they will not cover the repair and more they might not renew the contract.
They simply said that Mod Car is not something they want eventhough they understand the concept, they simply don't want those clients.
If they open this door, it would allow too many people driving "sport" cars while paying for a regular insurance fee.
I understand the point for not allowing performance mod.
Because my insurrance company is a good one, they're the one charging me the less by the way. Since this insurance company only accept large group (they only take workers that work for big institutions) because they offer pretty good deal i'd like to stay with this insurance company. Changing insurance company will only increase the yearly fee by atleast 40%. and that is not an option. that 40% insurance increase fee will just negate the fuel economy i could have made with the CAI.
So my questions in the end are :
With theses information in hand. what are the best alternative to increase MPG with a yaris that i can perform. ( i have removed everything heavy that i could found) but the rest are things i can not remove (Trailer hitch bar under the car, Roof rack ) i only put the large luggage box when i need.
What do you guys think.. any known trick that really work to increase MPG ?
For instance, does replacing only the paper filter panel with a K&N one (in other words) without changing the pipe flow would do the trick ?
First, im new to this forum.
I felt the need to ask on this forum because i couldn't find the answer anywhere. Since i'm new, it is possible that this has been answered already but with a basic search did not find the right answer. Sorry if it's been answered as i do not want to start a flame on this forum.
also if i have posted this on the wrong section, please feel free to move it.
So here's the deal.
I own this 2008 Hatchback Yaris that i got 2 years ago. It is fully paid...since it is paid with hard earned cash, i try to take care of it (if you know what i mean).
The last 2 years i've been driving this stock cars and the only mod i did was to add fog lights, trailer hitch, and a roof rack + a luggage box.
And for some reason, the last 2 weeks, ive been reading and analyzing tons of documents online regarding K&N Cold air intake. I've probably read through 6 or 7 forums (without posting...) this forum being the first that i post on, checked over 20 video on youtube, read 30+ websites...some technical.
The idea of my research was to figure out wheter i should replace to stock air kit for CAI without changing the muffler and without reprograming the chip.
The initial goal was only to obtain a better MPG in city. Getting 1 or 2 hp (was marely a bonus to my mind). Better acceleration uphill was also a plus. And lastly the sporty sound that we get from this type of operation.
Because the answers and opinions vary alot from person to person, i choose not to debate on CAI but rather on the Warranty Policy and Inssurance that this change can involve.
You see, i had to decide if the $400 bucks investment was worth the change. To do that i had to evaluate the gain, the lost, the consequences especially the risks.
Many of the mechanical terms were new to me. For instance, i did not know much about Hydrolocking before doing research on CAI.
So before doing the changes, i just had to be certain of my move. So i called not only 1 local toyota dealer but about 3 more just to stay on the safe side.
I asked them about CAI and here is the answer they all gave me:
Changing the CAI do not void the warranty of the vehicule however if the item that i replace is the cause of the damage or has a clear link with the damage i'm issuing (and they must prove it) then the repair regarding that damage will not be covered by the warranty.
I.E: if the engine dies beyond cheap repair (over heat or something) and it it caused by the CAI (even if it has been properly installed by an expert, then i will have to pay for the repair this including buying a new engine if i have to.
The second problem i encountered was with the insurance company. I called them asking about insurance and Hydrolock.
For a stock vehicule with only cosmetic changes, i am fully covered by the insurance. If a tree falls on the car, if a large city pothole damage the car, if the car hydrolock because of a huricane or because of a catastrophic flood condition etc... i am fully covered by the insurance. They pay for the tow and repair.
However they said that if i installed a Cold Air intake. ( and i even supplied them with the part number and brand of the CAI) The claim departement told me that they will not cover the repair and more they might not renew the contract.
They simply said that Mod Car is not something they want eventhough they understand the concept, they simply don't want those clients.
If they open this door, it would allow too many people driving "sport" cars while paying for a regular insurance fee.
I understand the point for not allowing performance mod.
Because my insurrance company is a good one, they're the one charging me the less by the way. Since this insurance company only accept large group (they only take workers that work for big institutions) because they offer pretty good deal i'd like to stay with this insurance company. Changing insurance company will only increase the yearly fee by atleast 40%. and that is not an option. that 40% insurance increase fee will just negate the fuel economy i could have made with the CAI.
So my questions in the end are :
With theses information in hand. what are the best alternative to increase MPG with a yaris that i can perform. ( i have removed everything heavy that i could found) but the rest are things i can not remove (Trailer hitch bar under the car, Roof rack ) i only put the large luggage box when i need.
What do you guys think.. any known trick that really work to increase MPG ?
For instance, does replacing only the paper filter panel with a K&N one (in other words) without changing the pipe flow would do the trick ?