Yaris needing new timing chain after 4 years.

[Rampage]

Hi, I've just registered and could do with some advice. I've done a search and couldn't find much on it.
My sister-in-law has an 07 Yaris which she bought new. It has developed a problem which according to her local dealer means she needs a new timing chain, timing pulley, tension and a couple of other things. The dealer says it will cost £800, plus £50 for telling her what the problem was. This car hasn't done high Miliage, but is only just out of warrantee.
Ive heard that some Yaris's have had the warrantee extended to 5 years because of this problem, Toyota are saying that this one has only the 3 year warrantee.

Does anyone know about this?
Has anyone else had timing belt issues?

Thanks in advance,
Chris

[marcus]

sound like a scam to me.. first off.. chain belt should last alot longer that regular belt and no service required for chain as well ... unless she got a defective engine/chain belt??

[DMZ]

What is the nature of the problem that developed that the the dealer claims is due to a timing chain issue?

I can not believe that little 1.5L has enough torque or rev's to wear out a timing chain in 4 years.

[big lo]

I find it hard to believe, but then again anything is possible. Do you by chance live by the beach?

[07 flint mica]

Did they do a partial tear down to confirm the problem?

[thepartsmancometh]

Did they do a partial tear down to confirm the problem?

good luck with that! most dealership techs wont check your tires for free, let alone tear the front end of the motor down. Keep in mind, most techs don't get paid anything until the work is done (thats why they charge for diag).

with regards to the original question, our dealership hasn't seen any significant issues with timing chains (or related components) on the Yaris. what are the symptoms?

[07 flint mica]

talk to the service manager and see if Toyota is willing to participate in the repair. I know Toyota of north America stands buy their product if it is a clear defect and the vehicle is outside of warranty.

[auxmike]

What is the nature of the problem that developed that the the dealer claims is due to a timing chain issue?

I can not believe that little 1.5L has enough torque or rev's to wear out a timing chain in 4 years.

I think it would probably be a 1.33L or even a 1.0L but not the 1.5 for a UK market car...

[jambo101]

Something doesnt sound right as a timing chain should last almost the life of the car if driven easy.
I'd definitely get a second opinion without telling the second garage what the first garage plans to do.
What is the car doing to make any one suspect the timing chain needs to be replaced?
I'm suspecting a dealer that wants to make some extra money by charging an exorbitant rate on a job that only consists of you handing over a lot of money to have your car sit in his parking lot for a day or two.
On the other hand there could be the very slight possibility that its a legitimate call by the dealer and the timing chain is defective if so i'd get the manufacturer to at least meet you half way on the cost if they want to keep you as a future Toyota customer.

[marcus]

Nevertheless that's part of the engine it should be covered by warranty up to 5 years

[brbo]

I would guess you are getting a noise, of sorts -

Not uncommon for newer vehicles (tiny little chains) when there is lack of maintenance, or the intervals of LOF are spaced to far apart....

With lack of necessary amount of oil, or poor oil quality causes higher oil temp causing the chain to overheat and stretch - and the slack in the chain can cause noise within the timing cover....

Cheers BB

PS 3/60 comprehensive and 5/100 PTO may only be a N.A. policy for Toyota

[DMZ]

I would guess you are getting a noise, of sorts -

Not uncommon for newer vehicles (tiny little chains) when there is lack of maintenance, or the intervals of LOF are spaced to far apart....

With lack of necessary amount of oil, or poor oil quality causes higher oil temp causing the chain to overheat and stretch - and the slack in the chain can cause noise within the timing cover....

Cheers BB

PS 3/60 comprehensive and 5/100 PTO may only be a N.A. policy for Toyota

What usually happens is that wear on the timing chain gears allow for a bit of slack in the chain. The only symptom would be chain noise, like you mentioned. When the engine is rev'ed, there was a distinctive whrrrr that could be heard.

Eventually, the wear will be so excessive that the chain will jump the sprocket and throw the timing so far off that the engine will sputter out and refuse to start. This was a common occurrence on high mileage V-8's made in the 60's and 70's. The fix was to to replace the chain and gears which came in after-market kits.

Better technology has made timing chains much more reliable and long lasting. There are millions of Corollas running around with >150K miles with original timing chains and tensioners. I find it hard to believe that a 4 year old Yaris engine has a worn chain.

[NZ-FE Vios]

I ran the original timing chain in my 94 Toyota Truck 22re until around 220,000 when it ate through the tensioner.

[brbo]

:confused::confused:

Are you suggesting there is an issue with Yaris timing chain tensioners ?? What year / engine ?? This thread is in regards to a UK model....

My post does not identify any issues with any parts, my comments reference how this can easily happen by lack of maintenance,, which I've seen a few times,,


What usually happens is that wear on the timing chain gears allow for a bit of slack in the chain. The only symptom would be chain noise, like you mentioned. When the engine is rev'ed, there was a distinctive whrrrr that could be heard.

Eventually, the wear will be so excessive that the chain will jump the sprocket and throw the timing so far off that the engine will sputter out and refuse to start. This was a common occurrence on high mileage V-8's made in the 60's and 70's. The fix was to to replace the chain and gears which came in after-market kits.

Better technology has made timing chains much more reliable and long lasting. There are millions of Corollas running around with >150K miles with original timing chains and tensioners. I find it hard to believe that a 4 year old Yaris engine has a worn chain.

[R2D2]

Rampage, what reason has the dealer given for the timing chain needing replacement?

[WeeYari]

Rampage another 1 post wonder. Gone I suspect.

[NZ-FE Vios]

:confused::confused:

Are you suggesting there is an issue with Yaris timing chain tensioners ?? What year / engine ??

Sorry I was just responding as a reference. If the tensioner failed, the vehicle would not be able to be driven at least that was the case on the truck.

[brbo]

No No, I was referencing DMZ post - not really sure if it was in reference to the issue at hand and how it would apply to the original issue....as he quoted my message....

220mile - sweet you've gotta love that 22R engine, I have a few buddies that pound on them with 36" tires,, I personally do it with my 3B diesel...404km and counting...

Sorry I was just responding as a reference. If the tensioner failed, the vehicle would not be able to be driven at least that was the case on the truck.

[NZ-FE Vios]

Oh man, super jealous of the diesel. When the gasser dies, I'd like to swap in the comparable 2.4diesel (ala topgear). 404 km is getting up there. Unfortunately the truck had an owner within the family and he didn't appreciate it quite as much as I do. I'm sure it would have lasted longer if properly maintained. It's sure up to spec now

[DMZ]

:confused::confused:

Are you suggesting there is an issue with Yaris timing chain tensioners ?? ,

I am not suggesting that at all. Quite the opposite.

[jambo101]

Looks like the OP has left the forum and hasnt returned to update us on his cars condition.Did we waste our time responding?Did the Op get any help out of our responses? Was the timing chain defective? should i worry about the Timing chain in my car?
Thanks Rampage maybe next time you join a forum you may want to read up on Forum etiquette before leaving us all hanging..

[DMZ]

No No, I was referencing DMZ post - not really sure if it was in reference to the issue at hand and how it would apply to the original issue....as he quoted my message....

220mile - sweet you've gotta love that 22R engine, I have a few buddies that pound on them with 36" tires,, I personally do it with my 3B diesel...404km and counting...

My post was an attempt to clarify the fact that timing chains do not stretch. The gears wear and that what results in slack.

It is the same with motorcycle chains. There is a common myth that they stretch with age. If you measure one new and after 50K miles, the length is the same. The sprockets get worn and oval out, hence the need to adjust or tighten it periodically.

Sorry about the confusion. I am inclined to believe that a maintained Yaris should be able to go 400k without having a timing chain issue.

[brbo]

Really,, ok maybe stretch is perhaps too lay - the pins and bushes elongate causing poor mesh with the sprocket - resulting in premature wearing of the sprocket teeth,, culprit chain.... overheat it by lack of lubrication or poor lubrication pins wear chain gets longer...

Don't have acceptable tolerance specs handy,,,

My post was an attempt to clarify the fact that timing chains do not stretch.

[why?]

My post was an attempt to clarify the fact that timing chains do not stretch. The gears wear and that what results in slack.

It is the same with motorcycle chains. There is a common myth that they stretch with age. If you measure one new and after 50K miles, the length is the same. The sprockets get worn and oval out, hence the need to adjust or tighten it periodically.

Sorry about the confusion. I am inclined to believe that a maintained Yaris should be able to go 400k without having a timing chain issue.

they might not stretch like belts, but i bet if you don't change the oil enough and ignore other maintenance items you could get them to weaken and stretch some.

[sargo]

I too have had a problem with my 59 plate Yaris which the dealer states will cost £800 to fix.
The only indication of the fault is the orange waring lamp on the dashboard.
There is no noise or any form of problem with the car apart from the warning lamp.
I spoke to the dealer who said they would not be willing to partisipate with the cost of the repair.
My car has only done 31.00 miles and I feel that Toyota should be willing to investigate the fault further,as the timing chain should last almost the same lifetime as the car.
Has anyone heard of this problem happening to anyone else, and if so how did it work out for them.

[OTA'sTOY]

:bonk: ^WTF^ :bonk:

[Chuck G]

I think when I pull my water pump off, I'll go ahead &
change my timing chain.
Thanks for the heads up!!

[Yaris9999]

My '08 Yaris has 45,000 miles and has NO SYMPTOMS. The dealer says I need a new chain. I have an extended warranty which he says DOES NOT APPLY??
What gives?

[Chuck G]

My '08 Yaris has 45,000 miles and has NO SYMPTOMS. The dealer says I need a new chain. I have an extended warranty which he says DOES NOT APPLY??
What gives?

Really??!!

[nookandcrannycar]

:bonk: ^WTF^ :bonk:

This ^^^^^ 59 plate Yaris?

[Absolutely Red 12]

This ^^^^^ 59 plate Yaris?

License plates!!

[nookandcrannycar]

License plates!!

Why 59 plate? What does the 59 represent? Why would the term be used along with the model name to describe the car? I haven't spent enough time in Scotland to know what this means, and I'm just curious.

[CTScott]

Why 59 plate? What does the 59 represent? Why would the term be used along with the model name to describe the car? I haven't spent enough time in Scotland to know what this means, and I'm just curious.

You don't watch enough Top Gear. In Great Britain you can tell when a car was made by the registration plate. In his case a 59 plate designates a Sept 2009 to Feb 2010 date.

I would definitely want to see more data as to why the shop believes that a car that new needs the timing chain replaced.

[nookandcrannycar]

You don't watch enough Top Gear. In Great Britain you can tell when a car was made by the registration plate. In his case a 59 plate designates a Sept 2009 to Feb 2010 date.

I would definitely want to see more data as to why the shop believes that a car that new needs the timing chain replaced.

Thanks:thumbsup:. I love that show, but you're right, I don't watch it enough. I've driven around England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland....and once took a regularly scheduled bus from Dover to London. I've seen lots of plates, but I did not know the plate revealed when the car was made. Great thing about each new day, you can always learn something new if you ask questions!

[MadMax]

Wow, it's been a while since I was in the UK but I still think in terms of the old system which used letters to distinguish when the car was made (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_Kingdom, _Crown_dependencies_and_overseas_territories#1983_ to_2001)...

Now I see that since 2001 it's been numbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_Kingdom, _Crown_dependencies_and_overseas_territories#Curre nt_system)...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/British_car_registration_plate_labels.svg/551px-British_car_registration_plate_labels.svg.png

More info here:

Vehicle registration plates of the United Kingdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_Kingdom, _Crown_dependencies_and_overseas_territories)

Cheers! M2

[DARKSCOPE001]

what a crock. those chains should be good for at least 100k (old school thinking) as far as i know that chain is "lifetime" and in my oppinion. its part of the powerplant. so it should be covered under your power train waranty. if the dealer wants to fight you on it contact toyota direct. write a bad review. make as much noise as possible. hech picket outfront of there store. do every legal thing you can untill they make it right or just ignore them. 4 years, thats so bullcrap. unless your sitster drives like 50k a year or more there is no possible way. someone has a boat payment due.

Good luck
Sean Scott

[nookandcrannycar]

what a crock. those chains should be good for at least 100k (old school thinking) as far as i know that chain is "lifetime" and in my oppinion. its part of the powerplant. so it should be covered under your power train waranty. if the dealer wants to fight you on it contact toyota direct. write a bad review. make as much noise as possible. hech picket outfront of there store. do every legal thing you can untill they make it right or just ignore them. 4 years, thats so bullcrap. unless your sitster drives like 50k a year or more there is no possible way. someone has a boat payment due.

Good luck
Sean Scott

:bellyroll:....or a motorhome payment...or high end motorcycle payment.