Toyota has some problems

[nemelek]

Article in todays paper.

[Hershey]

TOYOTA wanted to surpass G.M. for the world spot and sacrificed quality with quantity . What a shame :frown: . I think G.M. reclaimed that position .

[.Kevin.]

I would stick with Toyota, when you're the best everyone waits for you to make a mistake and it doesn't help that in North America all the red necks laugh at imports because they are mentally ill.

GM screws up all the time, and it is so frequent that everyone just accepts it now and if Toyota messes up once it is suddenly not okay to have a fault.

This is what I would say as my closing statement if I was Toyoda.

[RedRide]

They will survive and bounce back.
Ford was in a simular position a few years ago and and now, they are doing fantastic.

To be honest, If I was buying a car today, I would seriously consider a Ford.

[carnageehw]

I would stick with Toyota, when you're the best everyone waits for you to make a mistake and it doesn't help that in North America all the red necks laugh at imports because they are mentally ill.

GM screws up all the time, and it is so frequent that everyone just accepts it now and if Toyota messes up once it is suddenly not okay to have a fault.

This is what I would say as my closing statement if I was Toyoda.

GM has had good reliability for a good number of years now. You can laugh at "rednecks" who laugh at imports, but pretending GM is still the company of the late 90's early 2000's is foolish as well.

Toyota simply fell into the same trap GM did. They got big, they had to make all these cars, which means pushing your employees harder than what is ideal, and quality suffers. Because you're number one you get a little lazy and complacent.

And Toyota's woes are coming at a time when other companies are making really, really great cars.

There's not reason to assume they won't bounce back though, but they have to start having a sense of urgency.

[Black_griffin6]

I would still buy a Toyota and I would still recommend one to a friend.
I don't think they've totally lost their way, but I do think they need to take a step back to try and catch up with the competition.

[Altitude]

So did I miss the news about this great breakthrough with US manufacturers and the increased mileage ratings? Or have we been lied to for years and making fuel efficient vehicles isn't as hard as they have made it seem?

[Shinare]

Yah, that second part....:rolleyes:

[.Kevin.]

Only thing I'd buy from ford is the FORD RAPTOR

[shinlee]

I would stick with Toyota, when you're the best everyone waits for you to make a mistake and it doesn't help that in North America all the red necks laugh at imports because they are mentally ill.

GM screws up all the time, and it is so frequent that everyone just accepts it now and if Toyota messes up once it is suddenly not okay to have a fault.

This is what I would say as my closing statement if I was Toyoda.

Honestly, how many rednecks can there really be in a continent to degrade the percieved quality of toyota?

Red necks laugh at imports cuz to them, they are impractical and useless except to drive around. They want a vehicle that goes fast/hauls alot of stuff, and drive for enjoyment, which is why Nascar is so popular to them.

[shinlee]

I'm trying hard not to convince myself to get into a new 11 mustang honestly.... But if I was looking at eco vehicles, I would go for a cruz right about now for a sedan, or a fiesta for the hb

[.Kevin.]

USA Buys more trucks yet they have no reason to than we do in Canada, so I'd say the rednecks are here.

Also I also looked at the 2011's but my yaris is fine. snow here would rape a 2011 stang too

[toad]

the koreans are doing some pretty good things right now too....

[TEHxFALLEN V1.2]

I love Korean BBQ.

[SailDesign]

So did I miss the news about this great breakthrough with US manufacturers and the increased mileage ratings? Or have we been lied to for years and making fuel efficient vehicles isn't as hard as they have made it seem?

No - it's because the EPA changed the way the fuel economy is calculated, making really economical cars seem worse, and less economical cars seem better. Plus, with one super-eco model in each line-up, US mfrs can say "gets up to" XX mpg for each model. Without having to mention that it is only the expensive, slow car that does that.
It's called "advertising"

[frownonfun]

Lol, rednecks in Canada. It's hard to imagine there's all that many but then again, I've never been to Canada. Still it's amusing to think about. Do they talk with a draw AND say "eh" at the end of things. lol.

[jamal1984]

my dad and uncle still got their 91 and 95 corolla with almost 300K on it, with not a single problem, just oil changed and 100K services, AC still running cool never been refill, and now my yaris basically a Corolla Back then and it is still serving me good with almost no problems, so i'll stick and will stick with Toyota.
I can go and buy another brands but i don't get that peace of mind like when i'm in a Toyota.

[thebarber]

wow, another thread on a japanese board standing up for toyota and bashing domestic brands...awesome.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b339/dabarber/rexawesomexk3.jpg

[SailDesign]

wow, another thread on a japanese board standing up for toyota and bashing domestic brands...awesome.



Don't sound so surprised, dood. :biggrin:

[thebarber]

at least we have microimageonline.com to talk about cars that arent a yaris or toyota

[wufai]

If I were giving a choice today it would be the Hyundai Elantra, larger car with better fuel eco than a Yaris. The only Toyota car selling in the NA market I deem reliable is the Yaris. but its lackluster features is getting harder and harder to justify in today's competitive market.

[thebarber]

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

[RedRide]

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

I have to agree.
When they discontinued the Celica as of '06. Toyota said they wanted to "concentrate on family oriented cars".
In other words, boring cars.

[carnageehw]

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

From the outside, unless I take a little bit of time to study the length, teh Corrola looks just like the Yaris. two different cars shouldn't look so much alike.

[p123456789]

Honestly toyota is going to have to step the game WAY up in order to compete with gm and ford, the new focus and cruz are much nicer vehicles than the the yaris or carolla. I dont get what poeple have against domestic car companies on this forum its like half the poeple on here have a huge stereotype on everyone whoe drives a truck or suv.

[sqcomp]

I dunno, I've had more bad experiences with domestic vehicles than good(actually there have been NO good experiences for me with domestics). I bought into Toyota for the quality, reputation, and resale value.

For me there's no better value than a Toyota, "ugly" or not. If I HAD to choose another car that wasn't Japanese, it'd probably be a hyundai...maybe. This is coming from the guy who is planning his next purchase...a Camry SE V6. There's just something about the look, the fit and finish of that Camry and that engine that does something for me. That being said, the Scion Tc all lowered with that Five Axis kit on it? That's pretty nice as well.

[ilikerice]

i hope the new scion FR-S brings toyota back on the performance map.. i hope its not a flop.. im seriously considering trading up for that if it goes into production.

[silver_echo]

i hope the new scion FR-S brings toyota back on the performance map.. i hope its not a flop.. im seriously considering trading up for that if it goes into production.

but i honestly think that if i were looking at one, i would probably end up with the subaru 086a... AWD turbo...

[carnageehw]

Honestly toyota is going to have to step the game WAY up in order to compete with gm and ford, the new focus and cruz are much nicer vehicles than the the yaris or carolla. I dont get what poeple have against domestic car companies on this forum its like half the poeple on here have a huge stereotype on everyone whoe drives a truck or suv.

Well, a car is a huge purchase, second only to a house for most people. To it's important that you feel good about your purchase, and that can lead to being defensive, or overly sensitive.

And let's not forget that while domestics are on the way up, there WAS a period where they sucked pretty hardcore. Considering that a car is such a huge purchase, for those people who bought a crappy car, it's understandable that they wouldn't want to go back to a certain brand.

[ilikerice]

but i honestly think that if i were looking at one, i would probably end up with the subaru 086a... AWD turbo...

yea.. but i like the toyota emblem so much that i dont like the idea of going over to subaru side.. I KNOW, its basicly a toyota shell and interior with the platform of a subaru.. but still, i like the fact that toyota/scion is finalling making a car thats not FWD.. think they wanna get into the drift scene now.. lol

[frownonfun]

As far as I'm concerned every company is gonna have to start producing something far and above what they are now before I begin to seriously consider getting rid of what I have now. I'm done with that whole "give the dealership a boost every couple years" business.

[p123456789]

As far as I'm concerned every company is gonna have to start producing something far and above what they are now before I begin to seriously consider getting rid of what I have now. I'm done with that whole "give the dealership a boost every couple years" business.

I totally agree I'm sick of everyone thinking they have to keep up with the jonses while drowning in debt, I'm probably going to keep my yaris until it can't be driven any longer. I will also never buy a vehicle at a dealership I've worked at a couple and the stuff they won't fix on used cars is sickening they usually let the car go out broken hope the customer won't realize its broken and if they do they blame the customer what crap is that? They sell the car for full blown retail and give you black book trade in which is bs.

[.Kevin.]

Lol, rednecks in Canada. It's hard to imagine there's all that many but then again, I've never been to Canada. Still it's amusing to think about. Do they talk with a draw AND say "eh" at the end of things. lol.

4/5 vehicles in my town are trucks.

[why?]

Honestly toyota is going to have to step the game WAY up in order to compete with gm and ford, the new focus and cruz are much nicer vehicles than the the yaris or carolla. I dont get what poeple have against domestic car companies on this forum its like half the poeple on here have a huge stereotype on everyone whoe drives a truck or suv.

how many decades of absolute trash do you need to have before you realize american cars are trash? Seriously a handful of decent years won't erase decades of garbage.

I highly doubt chrysler can recover, their dealer network has such a bad reputation i don't see how anyone would want to go their.

GM has a couple good looking cars, but no history of reliability, and a long history of trash.

Ford has some momentum going, and some decent advertising, plus they didn't sell their soul to the government, so that is a major plus. Still it is going to take a decade of solid reliability before people will trust them again.

And besides hit pieces like this, even the government had to admit toyota did nothing wrong, and their reliability was just slandered, and was really fine. I just wish Toyota's boss' had the guts to tell off the senate.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/09/us-toyota-usa-fb-idUSTRE7180BK20110209

[yaris2010RS]

i find newer toyotas are just getting ugly and/or boring.

however, im eyeballing a new xb for a family hauler

i agree with u, the new toyotas and scions are getting quite ugly and boring, on the same note my next car will either be a venza or the 2011 sienna van.... (im almost 20 now, i figure ill b ready for my next car in 10 years but if i had to choose today)

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one of the sexiest vans ever made IMO

[carnageehw]

how many decades of absolute trash do you need to have before you realize american cars are trash? Seriously a handful of decent years won't erase decades of garbage.


Yes it will. A car made 10 years ago has little to no bearing on the quality of cars made today. The parts are different, technology has changed, design has changed.

Reasoning stands that if a company has made high quality cars for a decade, they will likely continue to do so, so it is good for peace of mind, I suppose, but it in no way MEANS the company will continue to make great (or poor, for that matter) cars in the future.

Do you honestly think that because a car is "American" it will have problems? Or because it is "Japanese" it will not break down unexpectedly?

[rick996]

how many decades of absolute trash do you need to have before you realize american cars are trash? Seriously a handful of decent years won't erase decades of garbage

I agree. I have never been a fan of American cars, even back in the 60's when muscle cars were in and the term for crap was planned obsolescence :thumbdown:. Of the 20 cars I owned, 14 were non-American and six were American. Of the American cars: 1 came with my wife, 1 given to me when I got out of the service and couldn't afford to buy a car, 4 bought (big and old and cheap due to gas crisis 1- "The Big one :evil:") for my wife to ferry the kids around and use for shopping.

I totally agree I'm sick of everyone thinking they have to keep up with the jonses while drowning in debt, I'm probably going to keep my yaris until it can't be driven any longer. I will also never buy a vehicle at a dealership I've worked at a couple and the stuff they won't fix on used cars is sickening they usually let the car go out broken hope the customer won't realize its broken and if they do they blame the customer what crap is that? They sell the car for full blown retail and give you black book trade in which is bs.

Even if you have money it can be used for better things than impressing people. I love YAR1S's quote :thumbsup: "Spendin money that I don't have to buy parts that I don't need to impress people that I don't know". Personally I would rather travel and have fun experiences. Cars are for transportation. Drive them until they fall apart around you and all that depreciation money is in your pocket. My last car before the new Yaris was a faded green 1993 Subaru Legacy with duct tape over all the rust holes and not much left of the exhaust (that sound that people pay money for) bought used with 105K on it and driven over 10 years. When a new BMW would pass me and give me a "look" I would think "That person probably went into debt to impress people like us while we just had a blast in Amsterdam. :biggrin:" On the other hand I do feel cool :headbang: on my Harley :rolleyes: (Oh well, nobody's perfect :iono:).

As to dealers, we actually found one great one and I'll put in a plug for them for anyone in the area with a Subaru. Suburban Subaru in Vernon, CT. :clap: I have have 4 Subaru's and my son 2. It's the only place I've ever found where you can tell them to do whatever the car needs and walk out feeling safe. We just took my son's 95 Legacy in for stalling, no check engine light. We picked up the car with a bill of $95 for cleaning the gunk in the throttle body. One time I brought the 93 in for the timing belt and walked out with a bill of $0. They looked it up and I had miscalculated.:w00t:

[frownonfun]

Even if you have money it can be used for better things than impressing people. I love YAR1S's quote :thumbsup: "Spendin money that I don't have to buy parts that I don't need to impress people that I don't know".

I too like that quote. Of course it kinda makes me feel bad all the money I've spent on my little Yaris but oh well. I see it as a learning experience... both financial and mechanical.

[rick996]

Yes it will. A car made 10 years ago has little to no bearing on the quality of cars made today. The parts are different, technology has changed, design has changed.

Reasoning stands that if a company has made high quality cars for a decade, they will likely continue to do so, so it is good for peace of mind, I suppose, but it in no way MEANS the company will continue to make great (or poor, for that matter) cars in the future.

Do you honestly think that because a car is "American" it will have problems? Or because it is "Japanese" it will not break down unexpectedly?

You can check any car's reliability at http://www.truedelta.com/images/MPG.jpg ( http://www.truedelta.com) but you have to be a member to see all the good stuff.

[Kioshi]

I dont get some of you who are standing up for Ford and GM now with their new lineup....

Do you already have a confirmation letter or pictures from a time traveler in the future who already owns these GREAT NEW American eco cars..that they really did last beyond the 200k point?!

If not, I'd stop bragging and less bashing on Imports who already have shown their quality to us time after time......

Let the coming years show us HOW GREAT these new american cars are...:rolleyes::thumbdown:

[thebarber]

I dont get some of you who are standing up for Ford and GM now with their new lineup....

Do you already have a confirmation letter or pictures from a time traveler in the future who already owns these GREAT NEW American eco cars..that they really did last beyond the 200k point?!

If not, I'd stop bragging and less bashing on Imports who already have shown their quality to us time after time......

Let the coming years show us HOW GREAT these new american cars are...:rolleyes::thumbdown:

im not saying that american cars are perfect, but toyota isnt the be all and end all of automotive perfection. as 1zzfe owners with a 5spd how long their trannies last...

[carnageehw]

I dont get some of you who are standing up for Ford and GM now with their new lineup.... Why not? They look and drive great. I"m not pretending to know they will last forever.

Do you already have a confirmation letter or pictures from a time traveler in the future who already owns these GREAT NEW American eco cars..that they really did last beyond the 200k point?! Well, this is a smart, mature comment to make.:rolleyes:

No one has cars that are guaranteed to last 200k. Every manufactured product in the world will have problems. Buying a new car from a company just because you have a 10 year old car from that same company that runs fine means nothing.


If not, I'd stop bragging and less bashing on Imports who already have shown their quality to us time after time......
Who here is bashing on imports?

The last two Yari I have driven (both 09) have had problems, but I haven't even mentioned that until now, and you can hardly say that's "bashing imports".


Let the coming years show us HOW GREAT these new american cars are...:rolleyes::thumbdown:
What is the point of this attitude? It seems like you want the American cars to be crappy. Why?

[frownonfun]

yeah everyone knows FIAT is the be all and end all of automotive perfection.

[rick996]

There has been a lot of talk about the Ford Fiesta.

This is from TrueDelta (owner reported, for what it's worth :iono:)

Trips for repair per year per 100 cars through 12/31/2010 :

2010 Yaris 7 :smile: based on 21 cars (not a very large sample) with an average ownership of 8 months and an average of 7900 miles on the odo. Fuelly MPG (http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/yaris/2010)

2011 Fiesta 88 :frown: based on 60 cars with an average ownership of 3 months and an average of 4500 miles on the odo. Fuelly MPG (http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/fiesta/2011)

[.Kevin.]

American vehicles suck and this is coming from me, if people have seen my vehicles youd understand this line.

I don't feel bad for fixing up the Yaris, my goal is to keep it restored like an old muscle car - why not?

[why?]

Yes it will. A car made 10 years ago has little to no bearing on the quality of cars made today. The parts are different, technology has changed, design has changed.

Reasoning stands that if a company has made high quality cars for a decade, they will likely continue to do so, so it is good for peace of mind, I suppose, but it in no way MEANS the company will continue to make great (or poor, for that matter) cars in the future.

Do you honestly think that because a car is "American" it will have problems? Or because it is "Japanese" it will not break down unexpectedly?

I believe American cars have a horrible reputation. All 3 long standing American brands have long histories of making cars that simply don't last, and have more repairs done than makes logical sense for any company that cares about quality.

I see that a good portion of Americans believe this as well. A reputation as thoroughly terrible as the American automobile industry cannot be healed with a few good cars. It takes a decade of great reliability for a reputation like that to even begin to change.

However that does not mean it cannot be done. Ford especially seems to be pressing the right buttons, especially when they start bringing their phenomenal European vehicles over to the US, finally, after decades of giving us crap. Allen Mulally seems to be a genius at the moment. Great cars, great ads, and great moves. It is a great beginning. Give it a decade with great reliability and Americans will start to really look at ford again.

Chrysler's new ads are great, but that is it. It is owned by a french company, the dealer network has a long history of incompetence, their products have been supremely subpar.

GM could go either way.

The most important thing to remember is people would rather buy American. If I could trust American cars, and if they even made cars that gave the great gas mileage the Yaris did when I bought mine, I would have looked at them instead of completely ignoring them.

The people did not move away from the American car manufacturers, the American car manufacturers repeatedly came out with supremely inferior products for decades on end.

I don't think I can say it enough though. Americans would rather buy American products. But both the manufacturers and the unions have failed miserably.

[frownonfun]

One must admit, why? makes some pretty good points on this one. Maybe I'll call and cancel my appointment for that Toyota tattoo afterall.

I like how we can all agree that Chrysler is crap at least. lol. That makes me feel better.

[ilikerice]

only in the good ole US:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13420798

they need to start putting on all the new car window sticker "car may have defect" cuz of that lawsuit.. LOL

[carnageehw]

I believe American cars have a horrible reputation. All 3 long standing American brands have long histories of making cars that simply don't last, and have more repairs done than makes logical sense for any company that cares about quality.

I see that a good portion of Americans believe this as well. A reputation as thoroughly terrible as the American automobile industry cannot be healed with a few good cars. It takes a decade of great reliability for a reputation like that to even begin to change.

However that does not mean it cannot be done. Ford especially seems to be pressing the right buttons, especially when they start bringing their phenomenal European vehicles over to the US, finally, after decades of giving us crap. Allen Mulally seems to be a genius at the moment. Great cars, great ads, and great moves. It is a great beginning. Give it a decade with great reliability and Americans will start to really look at ford again.

Chrysler's new ads are great, but that is it. It is owned by a french company, the dealer network has a long history of incompetence, their products have been supremely subpar.

GM could go either way.

The most important thing to remember is people would rather buy American. If I could trust American cars, and if they even made cars that gave the great gas mileage the Yaris did when I bought mine, I would have looked at them instead of completely ignoring them.

The people did not move away from the American car manufacturers, the American car manufacturers repeatedly came out with supremely inferior products for decades on end.

I don't think I can say it enough though. Americans would rather buy American products. But both the manufacturers and the unions have failed miserably.
I agree with everything you are saying about public perception. However, that's just public perception. The fact that domestic companies made crappy cars years ago doesn't mean they are making crappy cars now.

I don't blame someone for not wanting to buy one, because, after all, a car purchase is a huge investment, but it doesn't mean that the cars are bad.

You can only buy a new car based on what you know about the car now. Going with a company with a good reputation will likely give you more piece of mind about your purchase, but (especially in the world of manufacturing, where there's always going to be defects in something) it doesn't REALLY matter.

[yaris2010RS]

id buy a toyota before a chrysler any day!

i currently have a part time contract working for chrysler (driving cars off the line to the local holding lots about 5 - 30 km away) and i can say yes the new lines look impressive and have alot of really cool things, i cannot begin to tell u how many brand new cars with 0 mi on them dont make it to the destination. tranny issues, rad issues, alternator issue is very common, raccoons (that was our fault not the cars). and if all the lights work properly you got a really good car.

i feel toyotas boring line of cars has enough of a background of quality and trust in my family that as lon as they continue to make a car in my price range with what i need from a car, i will always buy toyota.

on the other note....the chrysler 5.7 is epic..... :) and the 6.4 300c awd will take all cars off the line hands down

[why?]

only in the good ole US:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13420798

i'd vote for any political candidate that would make tort reform a high priority. Mainly making it a loser pay system, and if you can't pay you forfeit everything you have and the lawyer is on the hook as well.

I agree with everything you are saying about public perception. However, that's just public perception. The fact that domestic companies made crappy cars years ago doesn't mean they are making crappy cars now.

I don't blame someone for not wanting to buy one, because, after all, a car purchase is a huge investment, but it doesn't mean that the cars are bad.

You can only buy a new car based on what you know about the car now. Going with a company with a good reputation will likely give you more piece of mind about your purchase, but (especially in the world of manufacturing, where there's always going to be defects in something) it doesn't REALLY matter.

You're right. However public perception is reality. And don't start telling people nothing is guaranteed. Our entire civilization would crumble if people started facing that reality.

I think in the near future we won't be talking about imports as a group anymore. It'll be Ford vs Hyundai. Toyota will always be around, as will GM. But Toyota really needs an image boost, maybe they'll get it from Subaru and the FT-86. Honda is overly expensive and going the wrong way. They only were relevant when the were saying,"this is what we do, take it or leave it." Now they've sold that out to making as much money as possible. Just like VW just did. Of course VW is too overpriced to truly be relevant.

The rest of the Japanese car companies are just too small to matter. Mitsubishi is always on the brink of financial disaster, Subaru won't spend enough money on advertising, Nissan makes a great product, but won't spend enough on ads and their management has made some amazingly stupid decisions.

GM will always be the question mark. They get some thing amazingly right, but they've never done it consistently for more than a few years, or only a handful of models. The Volt is basically doa.

lol, sorry for the rant.

[p123456789]

has anyone here bashing domestics ever owned one? I've had jeeps since I was 18 and I've never had a major repair the 4.0 engine is bullet proof the aw4 transmission (toyota tacoma trans) is bullet proof I've had to rebuilt a couple rearends but other than that its been gaskets and belts. the first week I had my yaris I had to rebuild the transmission the input shaft seal was leaking requiring complete tear down of the trans. I think honda builds some of the poorest quality cars out of all the japanese cars, endless automatic transmission problems seat frames constantly breaking motor mounts and stuts contantly going out. Domestic car companies have made some the most iconic cars and trucks some of them not reliable but not as bad as everyone thinks, as a technician I think gm ford and toyota are on the same level as far as quality gm and ford are styled alot nicer than toyotas line up. Toyota is getting left in the dust in the gas mileage and style department. My point is not all imports are the best thing sliced bread and not all domestics are super unreliable, every car line has that car thats a lemon even toyota.

[thebarber]

has anyone here bashing domestics ever owned one? I've had jeeps since I was 18 and I've never had a major repair the 4.0 engine is bullet proof the aw4 transmission (toyota tacoma trans) is bullet proof I've had to rebuilt a couple rearends but other than that its been gaskets and belts. the first week I had my yaris I had to rebuild the transmission the input shaft seal was leaking requiring complete tear down of the trans. I think honda builds some of the poorest quality cars out of all the japanese cars, endless automatic transmission problems seat frames constantly breaking motor mounts and stuts contantly going out. Domestic car companies have made some the most iconic cars and trucks some of them not reliable but not as bad as everyone thinks, as a technician I think gm ford and toyota are on the same level as far as quality gm and ford are styled alot nicer than toyotas line up. Toyota is getting left in the dust in the gas mileage and style department. My point is not all imports are the best thing sliced bread and not all domestics are super unreliable, every car line has that car thats a lemon even toyota.

well said.

we had a 92 and 93 topaz growing up that never had issues (except that the a/c eventually stopped working in them)

also had a 2000 and a pair of 2003 v6 malibu's.....my parents still have one of them....no major issues with those cars either.

my father had an 06 sierra until last year and never had a problem with it, either.

from MY experience, domestic cars are just as reliable has japanese cars.