15" Konig Heliums+tire weight info [Archive] - Toyota Yaris Forums

CASTREX

01-20-2007, 03:13 PM

Some more yaris related information in case anyone cares...

I just fit my new 15" Konig Helium rims with a set of super cool tires.
Hankook R-s2 W212 205/50ZR15 (treadwear 200). :w00t:

The rims weight 11.8lbs.

The rim + tire weights 31.68 lbs

If I compare this with the 33lbs OEM alloys I just JUST reduce 1.3lbs (sucks... you might say) but in the other hand I´m going to be running on a much wider and super grippy tire so I´m quite happy with the result.:thumbup:

Some thing else. This size of tire is a little bit to wide for the heliums... so if you have those rims... you should probably go with 195 instead of 205.

BokChoi

01-20-2007, 03:26 PM

sweet i plan on buying a set of silver heliums do u have any pics?

CASTREX

01-20-2007, 03:37 PM

Post some pics later... my camera has no batteries

Black Yaris

01-20-2007, 08:41 PM

what is the width on the heliums? I am running a 15x7 with a 225/50 and she looks fine, maybe a tad wide, but I love the handling with the 225's

CASTREX

01-21-2007, 02:23 PM

Black Yaris

01-21-2007, 08:17 PM

205 is shoulder to shoulder (the shoulder starts where the smooth side wall ends) not the footprint of the tire. Perfect example my tires are 225/50VR15 g-force sports, my wife's tires are 225/50HR16 Potenza G009's my tires actually have a wider footprint than hers for 2 reasons (1)brand/model & (2) speed rating. I mean you could take the same tire I have and a BFG traction TA same speed rating and size, There still will be a bit of difference in the footprint, it is all in how the tire is designed.

PetersRedYaris

01-21-2007, 11:03 PM

If I compare this with the 33lbs OEM alloys

This surprises me as I thought the oem alloy would be lighter. My stock steel wheels and tires weigh 33 lbs(w/o covers). But you did get a wider tire and save weight so thats sweet.

Nimble

02-21-2007, 02:29 PM

The heliums are 6.5" wide.

It's weird because 205 tires should be a perfect match for this size of rim. I dunno if it has to do annything with the tires being ZR or something like that. I tought 205 will always be 205 no matter the brand or kind of tire you are using.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The reason is simple. Race tires like the Hankook 212's or Falken Azenis run REALLY wide. Technically yes, a 205 tire should be ok on a 7" wide wheel, but I come from the BMW camp, where you run the BEST size for that width of wheel. Examples:

8'5" wheel 245/255 max
8" wheel 235
7.5" wheel 215/225 max
7" wheel 205
6.5" wheel 195
6" wheel 185
etc etc

Problem is you have every mustang/camaro owner telling you.."Dude I run 275 Nitto's with 8" wide wheels and it's fine." And in reality his car handles like crap (Not that domestic owners care).

fazali

02-22-2007, 12:50 AM

should have got the Feathers

Russelt3hPirate

02-22-2007, 08:52 AM

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

actual section width is based on wheel width and the tire itself (should be consistent through out the model in a given size).

go on tire rack and look up the "specs" of some tires you'll see the differences, it is more dependent on the "style" (max performance vs. all seasons) then it is speed rating (although most max performance tires have a higher speed rating).

and the # posted on the tire is rarely "exactly" what the actual tire you have on your wheel is.

jdubau55

02-22-2007, 07:00 PM

Anyone know what the stock 14" steelies with tires weigh?? I want to get the 16" Feathers on 195 Azenis'

largeorangefont

02-22-2007, 07:19 PM

The reason is simple. Race tires like the Hankook 212's or Falken Azenis run REALLY wide. Technically yes, a 205 tire should be ok on a 7" wide wheel, but I come from the BMW camp, where you run the BEST size for that width of wheel. Examples:

8'5" wheel 245/255 max
8" wheel 235
7.5" wheel 215/225 max
7" wheel 205
6.5" wheel 195
6" wheel 185
etc etc

Problem is you have every mustang/camaro owner telling you.."Dude I run 275 Nitto's with 8" wide wheels and it's fine." And in reality his car handles like crap (Not that domestic owners care).

Thats not 100% correct. Each tire manufacturer measures width a bit different. A 315 Nitto is as wide as a 295 BFG,Goodyear or Kumho tire. There is no real measurment standard. Your "best sizing" list is fine for certain cases, but for AWD cars, or heavier cars you will be better off going a bit wider as long as you have the correct offset and clearance.

Too narrow or too wide of a tire on a given rim is not good for handling. I would rather be on the wide side than the narrow side. The streched sidewall deal that people like right now is horrible for handling.

Ashley

OK Yaris

02-22-2007, 07:41 PM

Just for reference, here's some photos of my Yaris with stock Bridgestones
(185/60R15) on 15" Heliums. I might go a little wider after I wear out these tires..............Mike

Nimble

02-22-2007, 09:54 PM

Thats not 100% correct. Each tire manufacturer measures width a bit different. A 315 Nitto is as wide as a 295 BFG,Goodyear or Kumho tire. There is no real measurment standard. Your "best sizing" list is fine for certain cases, but for AWD cars, or heavier cars you will be better off going a bit wider as long as you have the correct offset and clearance.

Too narrow or too wide of a tire on a given rim is not good for handling. I would rather be on the wide side than the narrow side. The streched sidewall deal that people like right now is horrible for handling.

Ashley

That's also not 100% correct. Too narrow (within reason) will almost always perform better than too wide. A 275 on a 8" wheel will deflect a lot in turns, whereas a 225, a bit too narrow won't budge in a turn.

While I see that you like to try and correct me. I have owned and raced 7 BMW's and a few were ///M cars, I understand handling and tires more than I could type in a paragraph. I used to do the rolling diameter calculations just for the heck of it with the formula memorized. Sure a 245 Kumho MX or Bridgestone S-03 will run wider than say a Dunlop SP Sport 9000 or Kumho Exsta Supra 712, but my above recommendations are damn close to spot on.

I realize you're a domestic owner at heart, and I...well...hate the damn cars, barring the Vettes, a car that can actually perform ALL AROUND well, and not be built like poo. But there's no need to argue with me on common sense things. A 245 tire will always perform better than a 265 on a 8" wheel, it fits the wheel correctly giving more precise handling. And no, I don't run euro stretched tires, just CORRECT for the wheel, that's all.

Nimble

02-22-2007, 09:57 PM

Just for reference, here's some photos of my Yaris with stock Bridgestones
(185/60R15) on 15" Heliums. I might go a little wider after I wear out these tires..............Mike

Those look really nice. When those wear out, you might try a 195/55 15 to get some more rubber on the road, not be too wide for 6.5" wide wheels, keep weight down, and keep gas mileage in check (by minimizing rolling resistance).

It amazes me how much "sportier" those 185/60's look when placed on a correct wheel width and a farther out offset, I'm sure it makes them stick better too, less deflection because the wheel is wider to better hold the tire in place. :thumbup:

Russelt3hPirate

02-22-2007, 10:03 PM

A 245 tire will always perform better than a 265 on a 8" wheel, it fits the wheel correctly giving more precise handling.

maybe Autox is a different animal.

but I've pulled better times with my 275/40 on a 8" wheel then i did with a 245/45 on an 8.5"

same car just different wheels/tires

and the 275s were more worn.

I understand that Proper size is key to optimal handling but stating that it will "ALWAYS" perform better isn't true.

the 275 on an 8" wheel isn't ideal but when restricted to 8" for either $$ or class purposes it's better than a small tire (assuming it doesn't cause any other adverse effects of rubbing, breaking things, not heating up enough yada yada) (when talking about autox).

i refer to Autox b/c that's what I know, i'm not a road racer (yet ;) ).

magoo_lc1

02-22-2007, 10:06 PM

It looks nice but from the pics it dont look lower to me so it makes the rims look like a very nice stock upgrade.

OK Yaris

02-22-2007, 10:25 PM

It looks nice but from the pics it dont look lower to me so it makes the rims look like a very nice stock upgrade.

You are correct. The car is not lowered, yet. I'd like to lower it, but it snows once in awhile and the roads aren't super smooth here. Plus, there's always plenty of roadkill to avoid, and some of the roadkill can be pretty large :eek:

largeorangefont

02-22-2007, 10:58 PM

That's also not 100% correct. Too narrow (within reason) will almost always perform better than too wide. A 275 on a 8" wheel will deflect a lot in turns, whereas a 225, a bit too narrow won't budge in a turn.

While I see that you like to try and correct me. I have owned and raced 7 BMW's and a few were ///M cars, I understand handling and tires more than I could type in a paragraph. I used to do the rolling diameter calculations just for the heck of it with the formula memorized. Sure a 245 Kumho MX or Bridgestone S-03 will run wider than say a Dunlop SP Sport 9000 or Kumho Exsta Supra 712, but my above recommendations are damn close to spot on.

I realize you're a domestic owner at heart, and I...well...hate the damn cars, barring the Vettes, a car that can actually perform ALL AROUND well, and not be built like poo. But there's no need to argue with me on common sense things. A 245 tire will always perform better than a 265 on a 8" wheel, it fits the wheel correctly giving more precise handling. And no, I don't run euro stretched tires, just CORRECT for the wheel, that's all.

Russelt3hpirate is absolutely correct. There is no "absolute" answer here. Saying a 245 will always perform better than a 265 is just incorrect. I have seen and experienced many times that wider is generally better within acceptable limits. There is a correct range of tire for a given rim.

Your sizing list is accurate, but by no means is it the end all be all when performance is concerned. You can go wider with success if you have the ability to do so. Do you need go to the absolute limit on a Yaris for maximum performance? Probably not.

What you have owned and raced are irrelevant to this topic as are rollout calculations you have memorized. No offense, but just because you have driven a BMW around a track dosen't mean you are any good at it, or that you are some supreme source of automotive knowledge. If you are wrong, you are wrong.

Ashley

Nimble

02-22-2007, 11:57 PM

Black Yaris

02-23-2007, 12:08 AM

That's also not 100% correct. Too narrow (within reason) will almost always perform better than too wide. A 275 on a 8" wheel will deflect a lot in turns, whereas a 225, a bit too narrow won't budge in a turn.

While I see that you like to try and correct me. I have owned and raced 7 BMW's and a few were ///M cars, I understand handling and tires more than I could type in a paragraph. I used to do the rolling diameter calculations just for the heck of it with the formula memorized. Sure a 245 Kumho MX or Bridgestone S-03 will run wider than say a Dunlop SP Sport 9000 or Kumho Exsta Supra 712, but my above recommendations are damn close to spot on.

I realize you're a domestic owner at heart, and I...well...hate the damn cars, barring the Vettes, a car that can actually perform ALL AROUND well, and not be built like poo. But there's no need to argue with me on common sense things. A 245 tire will always perform better than a 265 on a 8" wheel, it fits the wheel correctly giving more precise handling. And no, I don't run euro stretched tires, just CORRECT for the wheel, that's all.
:smoking: Let me hit some of that good shit you are smokin.
I have been doing tires since the day I turned 18, and I can state fact and back it up to disprove everything you have stated above....
let me hit that good shit one more time :smoking:

BTW... I geuss you think my 225/50VR15 handle and preform like crap because they are "too wide" for the wheel and skinnier is better.... I can out corner a stock yaris all day everyday

largeorangefont

02-23-2007, 12:50 AM

Thing is, I'm not wrong. And any time you've debated with me, you've been wrong. Keep up the trend.

Tell me, what am I wrong about, that hicks like you run 315 drag radials on 9" wide wheels and street tires up front. Safe huh? Tell you what, my BMW days were in a land where handling dynamics rein supreme. I'll take that vs a AWD Subaru or Mustang owner's views any day.
P.S. I can drive

There has been no debate, it is just you spreading misinformation and conjecture. I'm just more knowledgable than you.
I didn't know the arrogance and stupidity that most BMW owners exude extended to ex BMW owners as well. Thank you for that valuable lesson.

Please go back to your fantasy land where BMW handling was the pinnacle of your ignorant, uninformed, yuppie wet dream.

mikeukrainetz

02-23-2007, 11:13 AM

its odd cause im on the complete opposite on the spectrum from most of you, this is the first import ive owned. Everything else has been domestic and 'dude' not every guy driving a camaro or mustang has the rear jacked up and 12 wide weld rims telling you hes got the finest ride. I had an 84 z28 apparentlly the best handling sports car that year, even over the corvette and it ran 215 or 225 on 7.5 rims. But owners of these cars were more worried about how to hook up 400+hp and tire smoke. Those cars were also throw backs to the muscle car era and corner carving wasnt in the formula as it always has been with the euros so theres really no comparison, only whether you prefer the mullet or the leather pants.
Im curious why someone who obviously has a bmw shrine in the corner of the house has ditched the tried and true and bought a yaris?

Nimble

02-23-2007, 01:49 PM

'dude' not every guy driving a camaro or mustang has the rear jacked up and 12 wide weld rims telling you hes got the finest ride.

I laughed out loud at the thought of those cars. :biggrin:

Im curious why someone who obviously has a bmw shrine in the corner of the house has ditched the tried and true and bought a yaris?

Daily driver man, still have a Bimmer. So I can't have 2 different tastes? I get tired of cars quick, hence the 15 I've owend in the past 7 yrs. I move on a lot but paid cash for the Yaris, and don't ever plan on selling it, really. It should last 10+ yrs easy. Once I sell my old E30, I'm upgrading to a E46 M3.

Nimble

02-23-2007, 01:57 PM

There has been no debate, it is just you spreading misinformation and conjecture. I'm just more knowledgable than you.
I didn't know the arrogance and stupidity that most BMW owners exude extended to ex BMW owners as well. Thank you for that valuable lesson.

Please go back to your fantasy land where BMW handling was the pinnacle of your ignorant, uninformed, yuppie wet dream.

You know more than me? That's classic rustang boy. Keep telling yourself that, and the records I set in autocross wouldn't mean anything to you being a near 4000lb POS Ford owner. That car plain sucks, a stock used Z06 would rape you on any road course, let alone autocross.

Yuppie wet dream? The day you can tell me your family has owned in no particular order, a 2000 NSX-T with arc titanium exhaust that cost more than every mod you've made on that pos ford, Volk TE-37 forged wheels, etc, a E46 M3, 997 Carrera S, 3 E30 M3's, 2 E36 M3's over a dozen various P cars, and a Lotus Esprit TT V8. I have more seat time in exotic cars then you have getting your dick hard looking at pics. I'd L_O_V_E to prove to you how much more I know about cars then you do, but then you'd actually have to own a fucking functionable brain that can dicipher thought....which you, being a Rustang owner, don't have. Do me a big favor, and stop posting all together, we don't need 315 Nitto boys running on 9" wide wheels acting hard around here.

P.S.-Since you 'Merican owners know sooo much about correct tire sizes, answer this Einstein. Why the fuck does Porsche build the BEST track car in the 997 GT3RS, with ONLY 235's on 8.5" wheels and 305 rears on TWELVE inch wide wheels? What, you don't know genious? It's called contact patch on the road, and effective tread width, something you'd know nothing about.

In case you missed it, my FIRST POST in this thead says within 2 sentences the differences in tire widths between manufacturers. What you should've said earlier is "Your first post was spot on, but I got butt hurt by that domestic comment, so I became prickboy!" I got more, bring it. :evil:

Nimble

02-23-2007, 02:03 PM

Thats not 100% correct. Each tire manufacturer measures width a bit different. A 315 Nitto is as wide as a 295 BFG,Goodyear or Kumho tire. There is no real measurment standard. Your "best sizing" list is fine for certain cases, but for AWD cars, or heavier cars you will be better off going a bit wider as long as you have the correct offset and clearance.

Too narrow or too wide of a tire on a given rim is not good for handling. I would rather be on the wide side than the narrow side. The streched sidewall deal that people like right now is horrible for handling.

Ashley

I felt the need to quote you to make you look like a tool, ASHLEY.

Here's what you quoted of me, but yet your second sentence sure doesn't make ANY sense when looking at what I typed. Retard.

The reason is simple. Race tires like the Hankook 212's or Falken Azenis run REALLY wide. Technically yes, a 205 tire should be ok on a 7" wide wheel, but I come from the BMW camp, where you run the BEST size for that width of wheel. Examples:

8'5" wheel 245/255 max
8" wheel 235
7.5" wheel 215/225 max
7" wheel 205
6.5" wheel 195
6" wheel 185
etc etc

Problem is you have every mustang/camaro owner telling you.."Dude I run 275 Nitto's with 8" wide wheels and it's fine." And in reality his car handles like crap (Not that domestic owners care).

CASTREX

02-23-2007, 03:31 PM

CASTREX

02-23-2007, 03:34 PM

I started this thread to provide some useful YARIS RELATED info about wheels and tires.

Who cares about vettes and bimmers here??? Take your sh#t some where else.

Nimble

02-23-2007, 05:00 PM

I started this thread to provide some useful YARIS RELATED info about wheels and tires.

Who cares about vettes and bimmers here??? Take your sh#t some where else.

How about Costa Rica? I hear that's a nice place for Bimmer/Vette shit?? :bellyroll:

CASTREX

02-23-2007, 05:13 PM

Costa Rica is a free Country... So even people like you are welcome.

largeorangefont

02-23-2007, 05:37 PM

I repeat:

If you guys (Nimble, largeorangefront) must continue to battle back and forth, take it to Private Messaging please...There are some of us on this forum who would like topics to stay on topic...

Thanks

I apologize for taking this thread off topic, but again you have Nimble spreading misinformation and attacking other members personally because he isn't bright enough to back up any of his opinions with factual information. Apparently he is a car genius because he sat in a lotus one time, and by osmosis from the leather seats he is now a becon of knowledge.

Ashley

CASTREX

02-23-2007, 05:44 PM

Apparently he is a car genius because he sat in a lotus one time, and by osmosis from the leather seats he is now a becon of knowledge.

Ashley

:laughabove: :bellyroll: :bellyroll: :bellyroll:

Nimble

02-23-2007, 06:29 PM

:laughabove: :bellyroll: :bellyroll: :bellyroll:

You know what they call guys like you? Cocksucker fan bois. Get back on your knees bitch, orangefag isn't done. He'll post another funny one for ya. :eyebulge: :drinking:

Nimble

02-23-2007, 06:31 PM

I apologize for taking this thread off topic, but again you have Nimble spreading misinformation and attacking other members personally because he isn't bright enough to back up any of his opinions with factual information. Apparently he is a car genius because he sat in a lotus one time, and by osmosis from the leather seats he is now a becon of knowledge.

Ashley

Problem is that I HAVE posted factual info, hey look at my first post dumbass. Besides what am I wasting my time for? You're a dude named Ashley that probably has bitch tits. I hear flamers in costa rica like them though, he sure has sucked on them enough in this thread. :wub:

Nimble

02-23-2007, 06:32 PM

Costa Rica is a free Country... So even people like you are welcome.

I prefer to stay away from third world countries with no running water but thanks. Maybe us rich people will wave hello as we pass by on my cruise this summer. :moon: :middlefinger:

magoo_lc1

02-23-2007, 06:55 PM

Dam i love reading posts you make. It makes my day....lol

MrJester

02-23-2007, 07:33 PM

but if it goes to PM we have nothing to laugh about.

BTW new ot the forums but still laughing my ass off at this one.

magoo_lc1

02-23-2007, 07:43 PM

same here.

jamal1984

02-23-2007, 08:09 PM

Yeah man i love to see Nimble give peoples negative feedback.....It's fun.

Nimble

02-23-2007, 09:24 PM

Yeah man i love to see Nimble give peoples negative feedback.....It's fun.

If you want the honest truth about me, here goes.

I'm an asshole only if I get disrespectful comments on topics I'm well aware of.....examples (tires, wheels, nutrition, exercise, etc) I don't go around claiming I know everything about forced induction or body kits do I? But when it comes to suspension, wheels, tires, you know the basics, yes I know a lot. If you guys knew how many car sites I am a active member on, it would freak you out, let's just say WELL over 10K posts between them all. And sure, that doesn't make you knowledgeable alone, but Ive been into cars my ENTIRE life. No, I haven't just "sat" in the Lotus, NSX, etc. My father used to let me take them for 50+ miles trips to cruise my college, lol, you should see the looks on people's faces when you go by at 8000rpm in a mid engine NSX. :wub:

Overall though, I'm a easy guy to get along with, as long as you aren't one of those kids that would be like; "Our 20' Bayliner (aka suckliner) goes 75 mph no problem. When I, drove our 22' Donzi with 502 mag personally to a GPS of 74. I don't BS, I don't fuck with people, I tell it like it is. You want to run 275's on a 8" wide wheel? Be my guest. Just don't go fucking telling everyone you're right, because you aren't. Period. End of story.

Way I see it, we need more people like me that stop all the fucking ricers from roaming the forums with their heads stuck up their asses. You know ending things like the following....

1-"Ricer math "Hey man, I got a intake (10hp), bb throttle body (7hp), catback exhaust (8hp), and a chip (12hp).....I GOT'S DA 37HP GAIN YO!!!!"

2-Ricer thoughs on body kits..."Hey yo dawg, I got's da winnnnggg on my Sentra, it makes it da staaabees in da turnzzzz"

3-"Those neon lights sure do beat wit da bazzz yo.....da bitchaz luv it"

4-"NAWWWWSSSS BABYYY" It's Nitrous Oxide numb nuts.

5-"Supras RRRUUULLLEEE!!!, shit your Z06 is slow, only 400rwhp, my SSSUUUPPPRRRAAA has 1000039348234rwhp, but runs a 13.2 at 158mph. Itz fas yo!"

That should cover some bases.

If I offended you, you're probably a ricer. Get help now before it's too late. :help:

largeorangefont

02-23-2007, 09:25 PM

Problem is that I HAVE posted factual info, hey look at my first post dumbass. Besides what am I wasting my time for? You're a dude named Ashley that probably has bitch tits. I hear flamers in costa rica like them though, he sure has sucked on them enough in this thread. :wub:

Wow you are a sight to behold.

I guess congratulations are in order because you are much better that the rest of us. I was thinking back on all of your truly informative and insightful posts and compiled a list of why everyone here should respect you.

You got your Yaris for thousands under invoice due to your shrewd negotiation skills.

You are a champion body builder and professional nutritionist.

You are a world class autocross racer with many national titles.

One of the top suspension engineers the world has ever seen.

A connoisseur of all things automotive. You driven things none of the rest of us could even hope to see in person.

Personally owned 7 BMWs (don't forget some were ///Ms!!!!).

Now you own a Yaris in which you removed the hubcaps.

I’m sure there is a lot more that I have missed because I just now am seeing your true brilliance.

I'm sorry we have brought you to the stage where you cry and call everyone names. It is a shame that you are just too limited to think of anything else to say to me or anyone else.

Ashley

Nimble

02-23-2007, 09:26 PM

I repeat:

If you guys (Nimble, largeorangefront) must continue to battle back and forth, take it to Private Messaging please...There are some of us on this forum who would like topics to stay on topic...

TAKE IT TO PM!!!

Thanks

I totally respect your opinion, and yes I took it too far. But I ask one thing of you, please read my FIRST post in this thread, and tell me if it didn't "pertain to the topic at hand?"

Nimble

02-23-2007, 09:29 PM

Wow you are a sight to behold.

I guess congratulations are in order because you are much better that the rest of us. I was thinking back on all of your truly informative and insightful posts and compiled a list of why everyone here should respect you.

You got your Yaris for thousands under invoice due to your shrewd negotiation skills.

You are a champion body builder and professional nutritionist.

You are a world class autocross racer with many national titles.

One of the top suspension engineers the world has ever seen.

A connoisseur of all things automotive. You driven things none of the rest of us could even hope to see in person.

Personally owned 7 BMWs (don't forget some were ///Ms!!!!).

Now you own a Yaris in which you removed the hubcaps.

I’m sure there is a lot more that I have missed because I just now am seeing your true brilliance.

I'm sorry we have brought you to the stage where you cry and call everyone names. It is a shame that you are just too limited to think of anything else to say to me or anyone else.

Ashley

I am no where near a pro bodybuilder, I got 3rd in heavyweight in a local comp, that's all. But yes, I managed a GNC for a few years, have been a personal trainer on and off, and yes, it's a passion of mine.

I don't claim to know poetry, or politics, or even religion, but if you hit cars, exercise, of golf I'll drop some knowledge on you, that's all.

Respect what I posted FIRST in this thread, and I'll back off, it's that easy.

magoo_lc1

02-23-2007, 09:50 PM

I like nimble. I started talking to him in an arugement similar to this, I pmed him got to know him and he is pretty good guy, knowledgable to boot. All i have to say large orange if you want the fire to go out stop dumping fuel on it.

This is still some funny sh*t.

eTiMaGo

02-24-2007, 01:02 AM

Guys, the thing is, neither of you are really wrong or really right. As far as I understand there is no 1+1=2 exact answer to most things when we talk about cars. There's always a tradeoff somewhere, something that will work better in one aspect and worse in another. On the same rim, a wider tire should give you more grip, at the expense of sidewall flexing, while a narrower tire will not flex as much, giving more precise handling, even though the contact patch (and absolute grip) is relatively smaller. So, which actually ends up giving better handling? Which one can make you go around a curve at a higher speed? You can make all the educated guesses you want, base yourself on experience, but apart from trying out many different combinations and actually doing some extensive testing on a skidpad with a G sensor, who can say for sure? And you can't generalize either, something that works good on one car might not work as well on another, there are so many variables to keep in mind like the car's weight and weight distribution, the different suspension designs and settings, even the driver's skill and handling preference!

Heck you guys even agreed at one point that there is no absolute answer here. You're both very knowledgeable and have a lot more experience than many of us, and we welcome the sharing of this knowledge. But, always keep in mind that not everyone will agree with you, humans are by nature thick-headed and opinionated :laugh:

Then it degenerated to name calling and "who's got a bigger ego". We don't need this here. So, please, guys, agree to disagree, keep it civil, keep it professional, and this place will be all the better for it. I don't want to have to close down this thread and remove all unnecessary posts.

CASTREX

02-26-2007, 11:35 AM

I prefer to stay away from third world countries with no running water but thanks. Maybe us rich people will wave hello as we pass by on my cruise this summer. :moon: :middlefinger:

Thanks for your kind words... I can tell you're pretty inform about foreign affairs and the economics from us "third world countries". Plz don't mind my words... I must be sick from drinking all this tanked water. It's a shame that with all your "Richness" you still feel the necessity to go down on people the way you do. I would have thought that a first class education came along with a first class country. But I guess I'm wrong.

Please keep this thread going... to give the moderators a reason to trash it.:clap:

St_G

02-26-2007, 01:22 PM

Ummm....I don't think that means what you think it means.

It's a shame that with all your "Richness" you still feel the necessity to go down on people the way you do.

ChinoCharles

02-26-2007, 03:08 PM

Nimble

02-26-2007, 04:01 PM

How pathetic.

A moderator should shut this thread down and delete posts. It will no longer yield anything useful.

Nimble, way to ruin another one. Calling another member a cocksucker? Dissing on another member's home country? :clap: Man this board really grew when you signed on, didn't it?

And you are contributing how?

Read my 1st post, then grow up, then contribute, then read my avatar, then realize you aren't condoned.

ChinoCharles

02-26-2007, 04:18 PM

And you are contributing how?

You mean you aren't onto what happens behind the scenes here? Hm, wonder why. :rolleyes:

Oh right, you're too damn cool.

Funny thing... recently I was doing some research and PMed Ashley with a question. Fast response, cordial, informative, realistic... didn't tell me what I wanted to hear, but told me what I needed to hear without being a dick about it. This is definitely more than I could expect from yourself.