No 2012 Sedan?

[Flipper_1938]

I read that there won't be a sedan version of the new Yaris. If it is true, that sucks!!!!

[Kal-El]

There's been a lot of discussion about this. So far, no one but Toyota knows the details. If the sedan is continuing on, I don't know why Toyota would set the release so far apart from the hatch. Especially since the 2nd gen was released together (at least in America). IMO, Toyota will soon surprise us and reveal a sedan.

If Toyota were to drop the sedan, it would be one of the most illogical moves ever by an automaker. Around the world, the sedan (also named Belta and Vios) is a very big seller. In many countries, probably the bigger seller of the two. Also, Toyota has always sold a sub-compact sedan, even in the US when no one else was. Now, all major automakers sell a sub-compact, many of them a sedan in the hottest time ever for the segment. Does anyone else think it would be absurd to suddenly drop the sedan now?

[Thirty-Nine]

Car and Driver says the sedan has been discontinued.

They said that, according to Toyota, 70% of Yarii sold were liftbacks.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/11q3/2012_toyota_yaris-first_drive_review

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

sedan IS NOT dis-continued as it will be available to rental fleets only til its makeover as per motor trend....

[Kal-El]

So much conflicting information ...:frown:

If the sedan does get dropped, then clearly Toyota's strategy is to sell even more Corolla's than they already do. Most of the people that bought the sedan simply do not like or want a hatch. So Toyota only offering a hatch in the segment isn't going to change these people's desire. It will be a lost Yaris customer, including myself. I think they're just counting on us to going to the Corolla instead of a competing sub-compact because we're Toyota loyalists. In many cases true, in some, a lost customer all together.

It may save Toyota money to consolidate, but it is lost again when you lose a customer. And that customer may become loyal to another brand for life.

[rningonfumes]

I'm pretty sure they'll have it again-- eventually

That said, if I were in the market for a small econ 4 sedan...there' so many new ones out there that I might just hop into a Hyundai or other small sedan like a Ford Fiesta. I would be itching to take a crack at busting those high mpg numbers!

[Thirty-Nine]

I'm pretty sure they'll have it again-- eventually

That said, if I were in the market for a small econ 4 sedan...there' so many new ones out there that I might just hop into a Hyundai or other small sedan like a Ford Fiesta. I would be itching to take a crack at busting those high mpg numbers!

The only subcompacts that'll be available as sedans in '12 will be the Versa, Fiesta, and SX4. Rio, Accent, Sonic (Aveo replacement) and Yaris have all moved to hatch body only.

[Kal-El]

The only subcompacts that'll be available as sedans in '12 will be the Versa, Fiesta, and SX4. Rio, Accent, Sonic (Aveo replacement) and Yaris have all moved to hatch body only.

Have you forgotten?.....:smile:

Sonic sedan

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgcLBQH0-IWjuihaJ1vs__nVsAf_olSILuv-E0dxEJ6NANdzI-

Accent sedan

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRm0UvuBGmrAfDIteMLI_Z8PcXVaW3Sz YBgCu_SdPMlIy4iCEhrKA

Rio sedan

http://wot.motortrend.com/files/2011/05/2012-Kia-Rio-sedan-rear-side-view-300x187.jpg

[Kal-El]

This means that Toyota, the ONLY company to have always offered a sub-compact sedan (Tercel, Echo, Yaris), will become one of the only ones without one at the height of small car popularity. If this rumor is true. It would make no sense.

:confused:

With this move and the fact they're carrying over an ancient engine and transmission into the '12 Yaris, it is clear that Toyota is concentrating more on cost cutting than competing with hot new products from everyone else and giving people what they want. Sad.

[Thirty-Nine]

Have you forgotten?.....:smile:

Egads. I must've completely wiffed on that. You're 100% right.

a big

DUH

on my part!

[Kal-El]

Another thing that came to mind that makes me go...:iono:

Look at Nissan and the Versa. For 2012, they have redesigned the sedan, while leaving the hatch the same for another year. Their reasoning was because the hatch is the majority choice in the Versa's case so they felt the sedan needed a boost. So Nissan is continuing and prioritizing the Versa sedan which didn't sell as well as the Yaris sedan, yet Yaris sedan is rumored to be done.

Go figure.

[rningonfumes]

We can only hope that it's only on hold and will come out later in the year or the next year...anything to support this?

[Kal-El]

Searching for more confirmation, came across these articles...

Doesn't look good. Sedan is a goner.


http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/08/toyota-smells-the-hatchback-comeback-drops-yaris-sedan/

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nb20110819n1.html

:frown:

[marcus]

If I have to go sedan right now my pick will be 2011-12 Hyundai elantra sick stylin and better mpg on highway too

[MUSKOKA800]

More sedans than liftbacks around my town. They'd take a beating without the sedan especially in light of the rise of Hyundai/Kia who are already killing Toyota and Honda in sales this year (in Canada, where we drive small cars due to expensive fuel).

[fnkngrv]

Well perhaps this will make the sedan more sought after?

[Bernie P.]

I read there's a good chance the Yaris will get a major overhaul for 2014.Perhaps they figured it would be more cost effective to hold off on the sedan until then.I hope so!

[Kal-El]

I read there's a good chance the Yaris will get a major overhaul for 2014.Perhaps they figured it would be more cost effective to hold off on the sedan until then.I hope so!

That's highly unlikely as this 2012 is totally redesigned except for the drivetrain and a new one one for 2014 would make that the quickest complete auto redesign in history. Especially when the 2nd gen went 6 years.
Expect the 3rd gen to go 5 years through 2016. What has been speculated, is that Toyota has held out in putting a new drivetrain in this car so that they can put one in at a mid-cycle refresh. Maybe it will finally get at least a 5 speed auto and a more competitive power plant.

[Flipper_1938]

Why do people want a new powerplant? The INZ-FE is a great little motor that has proven itself to be efficient and reliable.

The aparent lack of power is due to the lack-luster engine calibration that toyota has loaded into the ECM to fight anything that could be construed as "run-away-acceleration".

My 2001 Echo had a 1NZFE in it and it felt like it had 25% more power than the current Yaris. Dad's '07 Yaris was faster than my '10.

Even if toyota installed the next generation motor....it would be slow. They are scared of the lawyers.

[Kal-El]

Why do people want a new powerplant? The INZ-FE is a great little motor that has proven itself to be efficient and reliable.

The aparent lack of power is due to the lack-luster engine calibration that toyota has loaded into the ECM to fight anything that could be construed as "run-away-acceleration".

My 2001 Echo had a 1NZFE in it and it felt like it had 25% more power than the current Yaris. Dad's '07 Yaris was faster than my '10.

Even if toyota installed the next generation motor....it would be slow. They are scared of the lawyers.

I don't have much against the current engine. It's a great engine with great reliability but it lacks key improvements being shown by Hyundai and others, such as direct injection. The Accent has 138 HP and gets 40 MPG compared to only 106 HP and 36 MPG for the Yaris.

As far as the liability talk, you're not serious are you? First off, Toyota was cleared of any fault from the unintended acceleration fiasco. It's been proven that it was all driver error, as anyone with a brain knew from the start.

Aside from that, how could Toyota be afraid of a Yaris being "too fast". Huh? We're talking about the least powerful car in the Toyota lineup. A Prius has more power. The average Toyota/Lexus has around 250-300 HP. The Lexus LFA has 552 HP and is good for 202 MPH. Any liability there?

Fact is, Toyota answered the question saying a new engine and transmission at this point would have priced the Yaris beyond what they felt would be competitive. They chose to keep the price as low as possible as most buyers wont even know anything about the engine and transmission. The price is what they see.

[yarisse54]

Okay y'all. You know the drill. Toyota apparently retooled the robots for the 2012 Camry production line, so they could call the 2012 Camry "all new".

Why doesn't Toyota retool the robots for the 2012 Yaris sedan production line to bring us a 2014 Yaris sedan AND coupe?

Now what about the 2014 Yaris sedan? Some of us LOVE the idea of having a trunk, but don't want to be caught dead in a Corolla.

So here is my rendering of the 2014 Yaris LE Sedan (with parts retooled from the 2012 Yaris HB) and a 2014 Yaris SE Coupe for those who want a 2-door Yaris, but hate the hatchback design (kinda like a first generation Toyota ECHO 2-door).

What do you think? I think I am on to something here. :thumbup:

http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b549/yarisse54/2014ToyotaYaris-1.jpg

[vitz_fanatic]

toyota will continue selling the yaris sedan/vios,they already tested it at china,the new yaris sedan styling cues are based on toyota dear qin concept (sorry for bad english) :)

[yarisugi]

Interesting. Saw some renderings online that look a lot nicer than some cut-n-paste photoshop.

[ciscobear]

Toyota sells the Corolla Axio in a 1.3 and 1.5. There is no need for a Yaris Sedan it would seem from their point of view since the interior of the Sedan was similar to the Corolla and probably eroding Corolla sales. Not even making the Axio 1.8 anymore.

[yarisse54]

http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b549/yarisse54/2014ToyotaYarisSedanFrontView.jpg

[yarisse54]

Although Theophilus Chin makes some nice renderings, it does not take into account that Toyota will probably use a less-steep windshield for the Yaris Sedan, and so the 2012 Yaris' front quarter windows will not be used in the Sedan version.

[b20vteg]

http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b549/yarisse54/2014ToyotaYarisSedanFrontView.jpg
that, is fucking ugly.

[2o6]

There probably won't be a new Yaris sedan. The JDM Belta just got phased out a few months ago, and the Corolla Axio is the same size and price.


http://carnews.info/wp-content/plugins/RSSPoster_PRO/cache/108cd_2012_toyota_corolla_axio_japan_0.ad015l5yxz4 0wswccwks48gss.a5fuq7lrqzkgc0ccw4ss08gso.th.jpeg


The Vios is being replaced in some markets by the Etios, which is too cheap for US shores.

[mirapatec]

While some may like/need a sedan, I was quite pleased with the two-dor hatch model.

[vitz_fanatic]

http://digitalnext.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/front-new-vios-2013.jpg?w=640
http://digitalnext.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/back-new-vios2013.jpg?w=640

This is the new toyota vios/yaris sedan in thailand,will be launch at bangkok international motor show

[2o6]

That doesn't look good....I like my car better.

[Kal-El]

That new Vios looks pretty good except that it looks too propped up and tall, much like a Versa sedan. Very awkward stance that the previous Yaris sedan managed to avoid.