TRD sway bar for sedan

[punch]

I ordered the TRD sway bar for the sedan, it arrived in 1 week, simple instruction, will keep you all informed, should install by Saturday, will take pics.

[vodkalush]

sweetness..

this on my list of things to buy once I sell my laptop on ebay :-)

[Yaris305]

Awsome, gotta show us pics bro

[whoguy]

Can't Waite!!!!

Give a detailed review of how it handles.... not just... it handles better.

Thanks

[eco]

I need some close-ups of were the muffler pipe and the bar cross,like spacing atleast 2 at diffrent ranges.

[punch]

I need some close-ups of were the muffler pipe and the bar cross,like spacing atleast 2 at diffrent ranges.

eco how did you miss this, all the pics you could need...

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3440

[redglare45]

I was just about to post that. Thanks Punch. :thumbsup:
Eco, exhaust pipe clearance shouldn't be an issue with the TRD Sway Bar.

[eco]

Ha,I did miss that,well I guess no problem at all,would look better blue.

[Violin]

Mine shipped yesterday.
:tongue:

[punch]

I ordered the TRD sway bar for the sedan, it arrived in 1 week, simple instruction, will keep you all informed, should install by Saturday, will take pics.

sorry guys its way to cold to work on the car its -20 degrees C

install will have to wait!!!

[501]

i installed mine on my hatch the other day. havent had the chance to fully test it yet, so far the car rotates a little flatter than before slightly rougher but what i like. wish it was an adjustable set up but it's cool sorry no pics yet

[Go4th]

Actually I have about everything now. Here is where I stand as of now on up grades..

Received Konig Prophet 18"x7.5 $600 free ship JLBMotorsports.com
Received TRD springs $189 + $5 ship TRDSparks.com
Received TRD Sway Bar $152 + $5 ship TRDSparks.com
Ordered AEM Cold Air Intake $239 free ship HopUpRacing.com
Ordered NST Crank Pully $99 + $11 ship NonStopTuning.com
Received Megan Racing Stainless Steel Headers $189 free ship HopUpRacing.com
Installed Sport Pedal Covers $33.50 + $5 ship TRDSparks.com
Installed Sport Shift Knob $45 + $5 ship TRDSparks.com

Sad thing the more major jobs will have to wait untill Mid Feb for install.. :cry:
I am out of money and still need tires too... :cry:

[Chris07LB]

Nice! :thumbup:

[Violin]

Looks pretty simple:

[ChinoCharles]

Actually I have about everything now. Here is where I stand as of now on up grades..

Received Konig Prophet 18"x7.5 $600 free ship JLBMotorsports.com
Received TRD springs $189 + $5 ship TRDSparks.com
Received TRD Sway Bar $152 + $5 ship TRDSparks.com
Ordered AEM Cold Air Intake $239 free ship HopUpRacing.com
Ordered NST Crank Pully $99 + $11 ship NonStopTuning.com
Received Megan Racing Stainless Steel Headers $189 free ship HopUpRacing.com
Installed Sport Pedal Covers $33.50 + $5 ship TRDSparks.com
Installed Sport Shift Knob $45 + $5 ship TRDSparks.com

Sad thing the more major jobs will have to wait untill Mid Feb for install.. :cry:
I am out of money and still need tires too... :cry:

Isn't that a great feeling? Drive up to a box on the doorstep... woot!

[Go4th]

Isn't that a great feeling? Drive up to a box on the doorstep... woot!

See a box or two on the step it's Christmas all over again and it fells just like it did when I was little!

[Chris07LB]

Get it on yet Robert?

[Violin]

That will have to wait till this weekend... maybe.

[Violin]

OK it's on. A few pictures:

[Violin]

BTW -this is on my liftback - same part #.

[BokChoi]

awesome, easy install?

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

A rear sway bar on a torsion beam rear suspension is really not doing anything, because the torsion beam rear suspension is already bulided in one piece, what the torsion beam rear suspension need is a rear sturt bar that goes on top of both rear shocks in the back cabin to really help to reduce body roll, just like what the front sturt bar does and goes under the hood.

[hystria]

BTW -this is on my liftback - same part #.

it looks so nice :thumbsup: how does it change the handling ?

[Violin]

It took maybe 1/2 hour altogether because you have to put the car up on stands and remove the rear wheels. Other than that, it was a straightforward bolt on. 14mm wrenches on the shock bolts, 15mm on the new hardware.

It does tighten up the rear and reduces body roll, especially under power. I'm looking forward to getting it out on a nice twisty road.

[hystria]

cool! and does the steering feel any different ? maybe more precise ?

[Violin]

It just feels a little different - it takes a little more pressure on the wheel through the turn - like the front wheels want to snap back straight a little more.

[hystria]

:thumbsup: probably my next mod too :thumbup:

[redglare45]

It took maybe 1/2 hour altogether because you have to put the car up on stands and remove the rear wheels. Other than that, it was a straightforward bolt on. 14mm wrenches on the shock bolts, 15mm on the new hardware.

It does tighten up the rear and reduces body roll, especially under power. I'm looking forward to getting it out on a nice twisty road.

Nice pics Violin :cool:. Yeah, I definitely noticed a the rear end being tighter and sure do feel a difference. Now it's time for a strut bar.

[largeorangefont]

A rear sway bar on a torsion beam rear suspension is really not doing anything, because the torsion beam rear suspension is already bulided in one piece, what the torsion beam rear suspension need is a rear sturt bar that goes on top of both rear shocks in the back cabin to really help to reduce body roll, just like what the front sturt bar does and goes under the hood.


That is 100% wrong.

Strut bars do not decrease body roll, they decrease chassis flex. Also, you don't understand the difference between a strut and a shock. A strut is a load bearing member of the suspension. If you remove it the car will not be able to sit on its wheels. A shock is non load bearing, and if you removed it alone, the car would still sit on its wheels.

The very essence of a torsion beam suspension is based on lateral flex. Anything you put on the beam (a swaybar) to reduce the flex of the arms will decrease body roll. Actually, This type of suspension responds BETTER to a sway bar than other types because the bar is bolted directly to the arms, no endlinks, no bushings, nothing to dampen the bar.

Hope this helps.

Ashley

[Chris07LB]

I knew Ashley would school that responce with some very helpful answers. :thumbsup:

[Thirty-Nine]

Just for reference's sake, I have a Progress rear bar on my xB and it DOES make a difference.

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

That is 100% wrong.

Strut bars do not decrease body roll, they decrease chassis flex. Also, you don't understand the difference between a strut and a shock. A strut is a load bearing member of the suspension. If you remove it the car will not be able to sit on its wheels. A shock is non load bearing, and if you removed it alone, the car would still sit on its wheels.

The very essence of a torsion beam suspension is based on lateral flex. Anything you put on the beam (a swaybar) to reduce the flex of the arms will decrease body roll. Actually, This type of suspension responds BETTER to a sway bar than other types because the bar is bolted directly to the arms, no endlinks, no bushings, nothing to dampen the bar.

Hope this helps.

Ashley


what ever you say, i had the TRD rear sway bar on my old echo, and i didnt feel sh!t, maybe you think it does make a difference because you paid big bucks for it, and it's all in your head, bottom line is, i did not feel any difference it made and im not going to lie about it to make myself happy just because i pay the bucks for it, enjoy your rear sway bar.

[ChinoCharles]

what ever you say, i had the TRD rear sway bar on my old echo, and i didnt feel sh!t, maybe you think it does make a difference because you paid big bucks for it, and it's all in your head, bottom line is, i did not feel any difference it made and im not going to lie about it to make myself happy just because i pay the bucks for it, enjoy your rear sway bar.


:bellyroll:

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

:bellyroll: :bellyroll: :bellyroll:

[Go4th]

enjoy your rear sway bar.

:laughabove: :bellyroll:

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

:laughabove: :bellyroll:

:bellyroll: :laughabove:

[Violin]

$150 is "big bucks"?

Well helllooo Mrs. Vanderbilt!

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

$150 is "big bucks"?

Well helllooo Mrs. Vanderbilt!:laughabove: :bellyroll:

[ChinoCharles]

For the record, I wasn't laughing with him... :laugh:

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

For the record, I wasn't laughing with him... :laugh:

:bellyroll: :laughabove:

[whoguy]

Hi,

That sway bar is cool. Yes, sway bars definitely make a difference. In this case it's adding torsional stiffness to the bar, resulting in more transfer of weight to the rear under cornering. Yes, the car will corner more flatly, will it corner faster? Maybe... depending on tyre. If you transfer too much weight to the rear...i.e. ultra stiff sway bar... you'll be slippen and slidden in the rear all over the place.

Thanks

[largeorangefont]

what ever you say, i had the TRD rear sway bar on my old echo, and i didnt feel sh!t, maybe you think it does make a difference because you paid big bucks for it, and it's all in your head, bottom line is, i did not feel any difference it made and im not going to lie about it to make myself happy just because i pay the bucks for it, enjoy your rear sway bar.

I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but you info was just wrong. You provide insightful information in other areas but in this case it is incorrect. I just don't like seeing misinformation spread. Nothing personal.

I don't have a bar yet, but will be ordering one very soon. The Xa/Xb owners tell a very different story than you regarding the effectivness of the rear sway bars. It seems like the Scions have a suspension closer in design to ours than the older Echos. Mabye the echo bar wasn't designed as well or was less effective for whatever reason. I am confidant a rear sway bar will provide the best handling gain in the Yaris platform aside from tires.

Ashley

[largeorangefont]

I knew Ashley would school that responce with some very helpful answers. :thumbsup:


You know me already :)

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

Yaris TTE JWRC:

I am a few senseless pissing contests away from leaving this forum for good, and I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling this sentiment...

Cheers

Im not sure what are you trying to say there....maybe you can explain it better??

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

I'm not trying to call you out or anything, but you info was just wrong. You provide insightful information in other areas but in this case it is incorrect. I just don't like seeing misinformation spread. Nothing personal.

I don't have a bar yet, but will be ordering one very soon. The Xa/Xb owners tell a very different story than you regarding the effectivness of the rear sway bars. It seems like the Scions have a suspension closer in design to ours than the older Echos. Mabye the echo bar wasn't designed as well or was less effective for whatever reason. I am confidant a rear sway bar will provide the best handling gain in the Yaris platform aside from tires.

Ashley

by the way all the TRD parts for the Scion Xa , and Xb are also works for the echo, they all have the same chassis and engine, so im not sure if your info is right, and the Yaris is a totally different car from the Echo, Xa, and Xb, maybe you need to do more researches, i have been on the Siconlife forum for a long time, so dont get me wrog.

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

Just to let y'all know that im only speak and confirm the things that i have done before, and i know what will, and what will not work on the Yaris as I look at my own Yaris and my old Echo, everything desgined for the Scion Xa and Xb fits my Echo because they all have the same chassis, engine, and tranny, Yaris is a totally new and different car from the old Xa, Xb, and echo, and I aint gonna BullSh*t y'all, if you dont trust what im telling you and you want to waste your money, go ahead go for it, i dont give a damn
just trying to help, i guess not:thumbdown:

[Biggie™]

largeorangefont 100% correct

Yaris TTE JWRC 100% wrong

That is all...

[Nimble]

what ever you say, i had the TRD rear sway bar on my old echo, and i didnt feel sh!t, maybe you think it does make a difference because you paid big bucks for it, and it's all in your head, bottom line is, i did not feel any difference it made and im not going to lie about it to make myself happy just because i pay the bucks for it, enjoy your rear sway bar.

You must be the only person on earth that cannot feel the benefit of a rear sway bar upgrade on a FWD car.....course it could be because you painted your STEELIES WHITE!!! :barf:

[Nimble]

Im not sure what are you trying to say there....maybe you can explain it better??

He explained it fine. You=annoying as shit. :frown: :wink: :biggrin: :eyebulge:

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

You must be the only person on earth that cannot feel the benefit of a rear sway bar upgrade on a FWD car.....course it could be because you painted your STEELIES WHITE!!! :barf:

do u have a prpblem with me painting my wheels white?? if you do why not tell me about it.
He explained it fine. You=annoying as shit. :frown: :wink: :biggrin: :eyebulge:

who are you calling annoying as shit??? do i look like ya mama??

[largeorangefont]

Just to let y'all know that im only speak and confirm the things that i have done before, and i know what will, and what will not work on the Yaris as I look at my own Yaris and my old Echo, everything desgined for the Scion Xa and Xb fits my Echo because they all have the same chassis, engine, and tranny, Yaris is a totally new and different car from the old Xa, Xb, and echo, and I aint gonna BullSh*t y'all, if you dont trust what im telling you and you want to waste your money, go ahead go for it, i dont give a damn
just trying to help, i guess not:thumbdown:

Not that I even understand much of that, but if the Yaris is totally different than the Echo and the Xa/Xb, then why are you saying that the Yaris TRD rear swaybar won't work based on your experience with a rear swaybar on your old Echo, which by your own admission is a different car? :drinking:

[ChinoCharles]

:cry: :bonk: :cry: :bonk: :cry: :bonk: :cry:

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

largeorangefont 100% correct

Yaris TTE JWRC 100% wrong

That is all...

:bellyroll: :laughabove: :bs:

[Chris07LB]

Yet another yarisworld post turned to shit... :thumbdown:

[Chris07LB]

Where's all the new super moderators? :iono:

[eTiMaGo]

I'm here, keeping a watchful eye. Everyone needs to take a chill pill and wait for more people who have installed one of these sway bars on a new Yaris to tell us about it, like Violin.

Despite his prickly and infuriating manner, Yaris TTE WRC is trying to share his experience. But, I have to side with the others, he's quite wrong about most of this! Dude, I have trouble admitting when I am wrong... But when a bunch of people consider you a dumbass about one thing, there's a pretty good chance they are right :wink:

[punch]

Yaris TTE JWRC:

Is it really necessary for you to jump into every thread that exists for parts you don't intend to use or purchase and flame everyone who chooses to use that particular part?...

What do you seek to gain, other than thread pollution, by crapping on people who believe in the part, and choose to buy it whether it's for "TRD prestige" or for functional improvements...

I am a few senseless pissing contests away from leaving this forum for good, and I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling this sentiment...

Cheers

easy echo, you know better then to let another person piss you off, take your meds today???

on/topic;

i wish it was warmer my sway bar is sitting pretty looking to be installed.

[cleong]

You know, I can't really see clearly (from the photo), but if you've got a rear swaybar on your rally Echo and you also have rubbish tires on it, it wouldn't come as *any* surprise that you felt that the swaybar was useless.

The tire would let go before the car builds any sort of useful side Gs that bring the suspension (and the rollbar) into play.

Of course, I could be wrong, as I often am, you might really have some decent tires on that rally Echo, and your rear swaybar might really not work.

If swaybars don't work, no one would use it on any car at all. Your opinion that it didn't work on the Echo holds no water, because we're using it on a Yaris.

Let the guy who's installed it tell us if it works.

P.S: For a guy whose rattle-can-sprayed his steelies white and his spoiler red, $150 *is* a lot of money to be throwing away. :P

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

you a dumbass

why are u calling me a dumbass?? i dont call others a dumbass even when i think others are wrong, do you think you are a smart ass?

[Go4th]

I happen to appreciate Yaris TTE JWRC comments and everyone else’s too. In the end we will have two opinions two view points and you have to make your educated decision on the results you think you will have or what you want to accomplish. Aside of the adrenalin going here, (which is 50% of why I have been viewing it) I seem to think this thread has not gone to shit yet. Now either I have calmed things down or stirred it up more... take your pick now... now without further ado "LETS GET IT ON"... ding,ding,ding!! lol

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

P.S: For a guy whose rattle-can-sprayed his steelies white and his spoiler red, $150 *is* a lot of money to be throwing away. :P


Does my white steelies and red spoiler have anything to do with this sway bar thread??? how theres always people like you want to attack others on the forum that has nothing to do with the topic?

[cleong]

Does my white steelies and red spoiler have anything to do with this sway bar thread??? how theres always people like you want to attack others on the forum that has nothing to do with the topic?

No, I'm not attacking you for that. You have every right and reason to do whatever you see fit to your car. I am putting into context for the others who do not see it why you might actually regard a $152 sway bar a large sum of money that should not be wasted.

[Chris07LB]

Does my white steelies and red spoiler have anything to do with this sway bar thread??? how theres always people like you want to attack others on the forum that has nothing to do with the topic?

Dont play into the comments... that is whats taking this more and more off topic.

[Go4th]

i like your wheels.. the 1st time i saw it i thought that was great.. you have to appreciate other people's ideas sometime or another.. after all thats why 1/2 of us do the same thing. either you like it or dont. dont mean you have to do it. just appreciate what other people have done.. its their taste. but i do think that was a cool looking idea..

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

Dont play into the comments... that is whats taking this more and more off topic.

Dont even post ur comments thats what you should say

[Go4th]

i think he is saying that so far page five has nothing to do with trd sway bar for sedan..

[eTiMaGo]

why are u calling me a dumbass?? i dont call others a dumbass even when i think others are wrong, do you think you are a smart ass?

Dude, for everyone's sake, calm down, and take the time to read and understand what I was writing about. Nobody's calling you a dumbass, but you gotta understand that by the way you are responding in such an aggressive manner to anything anyone says about you, you are only making a fool of yourself.

People joke, people are sarcastic, satirical, and sometimes on a forum it's hard to tell if they are being truly mean to you or not. But you can't take everything personally.

For example, this discussion. Here is your original response to these sway bars:

A rear sway bar on a torsion beam rear suspension is really not doing anything, because the torsion beam rear suspension is already bulided in one piece, what the torsion beam rear suspension need is a rear sturt bar that goes on top of both rear shocks in the back cabin to really help to reduce body roll, just like what the front sturt bar does and goes under the hood.

Which is wrong, as largeorangefont then replied to you in a most polite and helpful manner. Your response to that was that people only feel a difference with sway bars because it's a psychological response to spending lots of money on it... And it all went downhill from there. You stuck to your guns (which is admirable, in a way), but since nobody agreed with you, they made fun of you.

It's like, if you are in school and the teacher tells everyone the earth is round, but one kid keeps on repeating, it's wrong, the earth is flat. Completely wrong and completely annoying, right?

Anyway, re-read cleong's recent reply, ignore the thing about the spraypaint, I'm pretty sure this might explain why you didn't feel much with your old sway bar.

Keep an open mind, be open to other peoples' opinions, don't get angry when someone criticizes what you've done or what you think. That's pretty much the guidelines to a good and helpful forum experience, heck, to a good and helpful life experience :wink:

[Yaris TTE JWRC]

All im trying to tell the yaris owners that what i have done to with sway bar and for me i think it was a waste of money, like i say before you dont trust me, dont mind me, but why start talking crap about my car, and called me a dumb ass, just forget about it.

[cleong]

Yaris TTE JWRC: Maybe you could shed some light on the setup you had on your Echo, from there we might learn more about why the swaybar did not work for you in your case.

Eg. Shocks, springs, tires, suspension alightment/adjustment?

[redglare45]

Dont play into the comments... that is whats taking this more and more off topic.

Amen and well said Chris :clap:

We should really focus on the topic thread and not take it into a celebrity death match sort of speak :iono: .

[Violin]

i wish it was warmer my sway bar is sitting pretty looking to be installed.

C'mon cupcake, it was well below freezing and quite windy the day I did mine. :wink:

[ChinoCharles]

Cupcake!? HAHA!

[Violin]

... oh... and I've had a chance to push it on some twisty roads and it performs quite well. - I like it.

[Chris07LB]

Chalk another one up for the, "it works" crowd. :thumbsup:

[bigsky2]

Well this thread was pretty entertaining.

I have to say that I have noticed that many threads have turned out this way recently...

Product threads were quite informative with pictures, impressions, comments, etc., but it seems that rampant criticism, fanboyism, and idiocy have taken control of the responses.

Overall, I'm glad to see the sway bar installed on the Yaris and I'm looking forward to more impressions, intelligent criticism, and less idiocy.

[St_G]

I have to admit a certain level of skepticism on the efficacy of any inexpensive mod, but I don't really understand the need to make mulitple, thread-crapping comments. If you've done a mod and didn't see much benefit, by all means mention it, but why turn it into a big fight?

In any case, this mod is cheap enough and at least designed to address my biggest complaint about the Yaris' handling, so I think I'll be giving it a shot.

[cleong]

Combinine the sway bar with stiffer springs and you should be all right.

[St_G]

If I could (afordably) do that without also lowering the car, I'd be all over it. I might still buy the TRD springs, since they don't lower very much and keep the same relative F/R heights (I REALLY don' like the look of most of the other lowering springs, as they drop the rear too much in relation to the front).

Combinine the sway bar with stiffer springs and you should be all right.

[cleong]

I've not bottomed out my car on TTE springs ever, though its only two weeks since I installed it. The TTE springs turn out to be really comfortable and I have to say they aren't handling-oriented-stiff.

It appears that TTE found the exact spring rate balance between ride comfort and avoiding bottoming out the car while lowering it. Handling is not so much the focus of the springs... and no one complains of an uncomfortable car, they don't realize I've swapped the springs out.

I said in another thread they drop 30/25mm front to rear, so the car sits a little lower in front actually. Tein dressup springs and Tanabes seem to do an equal front and rear drop.

A lower front tends to shift the CG of the car forward a little as well, giving better on-power steering such as coming out of corners, but the trade off is a more nervous rear end when you brake.

I've let some air out of the rear tires to help cure the restless rear, though its not something I feel. More than one passenger told me that my rear end felt like it was stepping out when I drive enthusiastically, while I just feel that it comes around really well without feeling like the car is dragging its ass through corners.

But to come back on topic, I'm really interested in the sway bar too. How springs might come into play with the swaybar, is that if the springs are too stiff, the swaybar might not be able to transfer enough weight across to the unladen wheel to make a difference.

[St_G]

I remember the pics of your car, Cleong, and I very much liked the stance. I'm not concerned with bottoming out so much as I just kinda like the stock ride height. But I don't at all like the pitching and rolling during turns.

So yeah, for $150 and an install that I can do myself? I'm going to give this bar a shot. Hell, if I don't feel any difference, I'm sure I can turn it around and not lose too much cash on the deal.

[Chris07LB]

Well with my Tanabe DF's, Tanabe upper strut bar, and Cusco lower tie bar, I too was told the overall improvements were all in my head... :rolleyes:

The rear sway is next on my list.

[largeorangefont]

Well with my Tanabe DF's, Tanabe upper strut bar, and Cusco lower tie bar, I too was told the overall improvements were all in my head... :rolleyes:

The rear sway is next on my list.

If you still have the stock tires, get rid of them. Putting something better on is the best thing you can do, even before springs.

Both the tie bars should have helped a little.. the spring should have been more dramatic though.

Who told you that?

[eTiMaGo]

he's making fun on the original ass-umption that the sway bar does nothing, it's all in people's heads, hence the eye-rolling smiley... right?

[cleong]

I remember the pics of your car, Cleong, and I very much liked the stance. I'm not concerned with bottoming out so much as I just kinda like the stock ride height. But I don't at all like the pitching and rolling during turns.

So yeah, for $150 and an install that I can do myself? I'm going to give this bar a shot. Hell, if I don't feel any difference, I'm sure I can turn it around and not lose too much cash on the deal.

I'd really suggest you plump for height adjustable suspension with stiffer springs then, given your preference for the stock ride height. I'm not sure if there's anyone making springs that let you maintain your stock ride height while reducing the pitching and rolling.

Of course, the swaybar's a much cheaper option, and I think even if the problem isn't completedly fixed, you're already halfway there, and then you can think about the suspension I mentioned above.

[punch]

C'mon cupcake, it was well below freezing and quite windy the day I did mine. :wink:

hehe, its minus 30 and 2 feet of snow where i live, garage is full of summer shit, table, chairs, snow blower....kids toys!!!

[magoo_lc1]

Wow! for a minute i thought i was on honda tech. I hope it mellows in here thats why i like coming here: to get away from the b.s. of the other sites. If i had the car i would rock the sway.

[sf180th]

Just ordered the TRD Sway bar along with TRD lowering springs, this should make a diffrence!

[Chris07LB]

good deal. :thumbup:

[St_G]

Ordered the sway bar from Sparks last night. Was going to order the springs too, but I spent damn near $150 on dinner Friday night (sort of on accident) so those will have to wait while I get my alarm and window tinting installed.

[ROCKLANDTOYOTA]

put the trd sway bar on today and it looks nice. not sure if it does anything yet, but springs are coming next......

[eco]

RocklandToyota,I have a few questions about your sig.Do those TC mats have a TC logo or Scion logo?Do they fit the Yaris perfectly,does the driver side mat use the 2 clips to stay in place?
Why did you use the XB neon light package,is it the same package for the Yaris,just cheaper?

[eco]

Ohya,I have my rear TRD bar installed,and my ass is alot smoother,like a baby's.

[curik]

Hmm I wonder if the torsion beam is an independent type of suspension. On my Accord Euro (very similar to your Acura TSX in the USA) has independent rear suspension, and I could feel a huge improvement by upgrading the stock swaybar, there is more oversteer. But since the swaybar acts to limit the movements between the left and right arms, it requires the left arm to be independent to the right one. In our case, the torsion beam connects the left and right suspension, hence by adding an extra swaybar, it increases the "stiffness" of the torsion beam. However since torsion beam is a non independent type suspension, the increase of handling performance will be less than if it was fitted on an independent type rear suspension.

This could be the reason why he said adding a swaybar on a torsion beam suspension does not do s@#!. I actually own a liftback yaris and I am thinking to get the swaybar too. But so far I have not seen any convincing words which can make me click the buy it now button.

[blueskana]

How would a conventional, chassis-mounted, linkage-drop down arm system work with a trorsion-beam suspension design? I can see how the trd one basically just stiffens up the beam, but couldn't you take the sway bar, mount it to the body on poly bushings and connect it to the shock mounts on short linkage arms? If you are looking for a truly stiffened, 3-wheel cornering without having to have insanely high spring rates, wouldn't that do the trick? Am I totally smoking crack here or what? Somebody who understands this better help me out.

Oh, and this is my first post, Hello everyone! :)

[OgDogg]

I gots me a sway bar that I paid "big bucks" for. :)

[SDsurfrider]

There are a bunch of good sources online dealing with suspension setups and how changes will affect handling. A quick google search turned up these examples:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question432.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-roll_bar

I have a porsche 924s autoXer and these are from those forums(I know the 924s is not the yaris but it too has a torsion system rear susp):

http://www.wtrscca.org/tech.htm
http://www.kormanfastbmw.com/thandling.htm
http://importnut.net/tiretech.htm#hipochrt
http://www.cjtire.com/pdfs/Servicing...&%20Wheels.pdf

Anyways when I put on the rear sway bar on that car I immediately noticed a difference, more so because it is RWD though.

[Milk Dud]

I see you've been mentioning about descent tires to go along with the sway bar. Just wondering what sort of tires you'd recommend. I'm thinking of buying 16s and a sway bar for my girlfriend's 07 Sedan for Christmas. Also, anyone experienced any bad things with 205/55R16s on stock springs?

[uncleyaris]

The sway itself is big difference. I organized a GB on them and you will not be disappointed!!!

[akirawm]

sway bar for yaris sedan ?

[MUSKOKA800]

sway bar for yaris sedan ?

Yes, TRD and others.
In the case of sway-bar, same part for sedan and HB.
I installed mine weeks before the other TRD parts.
BIG improvement! Reduced body roll (sportier) and reduced cross-wind effect on the highway (safety) providing a much more relaxing ride.

[cali yaris]

Ultra Racing 19mm sway bar (liftback and sedan), same size and quality as TRD, $30+ cheaper:
http://shop.microimageonline.com/product.sc?productId=100&categoryId=4

Ultra Racing 23mm sway bar (liftback and sedan), beefier, more anti-roll in turns:
http://shop.microimageonline.com/product.sc?productId=125&categoryId=4

[birdman]

Some say they make no difference while others say they do. Maybe it's more to do with variations in our nervous systems abilities to feel the differences or lack there of. All I know is that before I put mine on it didn't handle sharp turns without a fight where now it fights noticeably less. For my nervous system they were worth every cent.

[MUSKOKA800]

Some say they make no difference while others say they do. Maybe it's more to do with variations in our nervous systems abilities to feel the differences or lack there of. All I know is that before I put mine on it didn't handle sharp turns without a fight where now it fights noticeably less. For my nervous system they were worth every cent.

Pokey drivers may not notice the flattened cornering by adding an anti-sway bar but it would be hard not to appreciate the increased cross-wind stability if you drive on the freeway with strong winds and semi's abound.
I'd like to sample the 23mm bar although it's billed as being for 'the track', not street.

[RedRide]

I have the 23mm bar for steet use and I love it.
I can't see how it would be a problem for a DD for anyone who has any semblance of driving skills.

It also make freeway driving much safer because fast, emerency lane chages, etc are much more secure and stable.

['LilRedYaris]

Had the Ultra Racing 19mm rear sway bar installed on my sedan today. Huge, huge difference. Luckily, I got to test it fairly thoroughly today too. The Yaris is definitely tighter and surer on the road now. Steering and cornering are almost effortless. All I can say is: "Wow!". Kudos to Garm @ Micro Image for providing great products, customer service & support. Digging my YW T-shirt too. :thumbsup:

[cali yaris]

^ awesome, glad you like it! Definitely in my "Top 5 things they should have included on the car" list.

[sickpuppy1]

The "Ultra" 19mm bar from MI, like Garm said is same as TRD but less expensive is what I put on mine. I love it, Those who say it wont make a difference obviously have not tried it. Knowing that a sway/torsion bar is going to stiffen the suspension in the corners, I went with the 19mm since its my daily driver and didnt want the ride quality to suffer. Honestly, you would have to drive thru the same corner and be keenly aware of every bump to POSSIBLY tell any difference in ride quality. But the difference in handling is very noticeable! As you enter a corner, the rear of body will take a slight lean and then just set and go! Very interesting actually as if your paying any attention, you can tell by feel and by eye when it kicks in. Crosswind stability and driving by trucks and such are also much improved.
As I said, I had worried that ride would stiffen up too much,but that was unfounded as it really hasnt changed at all. I wish now that I had gotten the 23mm as pushing it into corners is much more fun,lol. My only concern now is how much sooner I'm gonna have to replace tires from all my "playing around" LOL Any of you still on the fence about doing this can be assured it is money well spent, and Micro Image has good stuff! I'm sure the TRD is good also, but i know who I'm getting mine from.......

[detroiter]

I have the 23mm and I love it. You definitely have to push it hard to start seeing it's limit. It all depends on what kind of driving you want to do with your car. If you like it mild or wild, I'm sure the 19mm would do just fine for most but 23mm adds in that extra little bit just in case you need it :)

[krolos]

I am pretty much your average driver,maybe just a bit more on the aggressive
side, I drive some very curvy roads with some very tight curves on a regularly
basis, I find that I have to slow down alot to safely take them, it would be
nice to take them with out slowing down so much.
I like to drive these kind of roads a bit more on the aggressive side,
but not Rally style by any means.
I want to install the sway bar, what do you all think, should I get the
19mm or the 23mm? will the 23mm be to stiff for the regular type of driving?

[RedRide]

I have the23mm bar and I drive much like you do. IMO it is great for twisty mountain roads and makes navigating them much more enjoyable.

A 23mm bar is also good for a DD IMO as it seems to balance out the suspension from front to rear. It makes freewway type driving much more enjoyable and safer. It makes fast/emergency lane changes much more secure.

True a rear sway bar will appear to stiffen the rear suspension a bit. However, the stock rear it too soft (compared to the front) to begin with. A 23mm bar stiffens the rear suspension just the right amount amount IMO.

I would just add that it you have less that good tires, it will limit the cornering performance. I originally had the less than desireable "Goodyear LS" tires. When I installed and broke in my "Yokohama Avid TRZ" tires, I was finally able to reall enjoy the sway bar's cornering ability.

Personally, I don't feel in the least that a 23mm bar is too stiff. :smile:

['LilRedYaris]

The only reason I didn't choose the 23mm was worries that it might do a little too much and make driving difficult/scary in Minnesota winters. The 19mm seems to do an excellent job for me.

[RedRide]

The only reason I didn't choose the 23mm was worries that it might do a little too much and make driving difficult/scary in Minnesota winters. The 19mm seems to do an excellent job for me.

The 23mm bar was fine in in the last NY winter.
Anyway, either one will be much better than nothing. :smile:

[detroiter]

Why would the 23mm be scary in winter? You shouldnt be driving that fast through winter weather anyhow for it to make much of a difference :P

['LilRedYaris]

Why would the 23mm be scary in winter? You shouldnt be driving that fast through winter weather anyhow for it to make much of a difference :P

Obviously. I just figured for me, it would be a bit extreme for daily use and wouldn't be ideal for winter or slick conditions (even going slowly). But, maybe my assumptions were wrong. I'm happy w/ the 19mm though & in the end it's what you're happy with that counts. :wink:

[RedRide]

Obviously. I just figured for me, it would be a bit extreme for daily use and wouldn't be ideal for winter or slick conditions (even going slowly). But, maybe my assumptions were wrong. I'm happy w/ the 19mm though & in the end it's what you're happy with that counts. :wink:

Yeah, either one is fine.
I just want to dispel the idea that the 23mm bar is somehow less than safe. :smile:

[sickpuppy1]

Well, from what I've heard, with the 19, when you get to the edge of adhesion you notice it more, and the car would still have a tendency to understeer. With the 23, and keep in mind this is only "what I've read" it gets to the edge and has more of a tendancy to have the rear let loose? or oversteer. Maybe he was thinking it wa gonna do that in the snow. But seriously if you are pushing it like that in the snow, a swaybar isnt gonna cause or save your butt, your just gonna get what you deserved ya know?

[detroiter]

I was just razzin you lilred, no problems at all :P

I've had the 19mm Trd bar and now I have the 23mm UR one, I can say that
sick puppy does seem to have it on the money from what I've felt. The 19mm
felt a bit more forgiving, like you could sense it a bit more if it was getting
too out of hand and with the 23mm, you can push it harder but along with that
naturally, you get close to the limit without feeling it, which in turn makes the
threshold that much thinner.

['LilRedYaris]

No worries. :) I can vouch that there's definitely more stability in crosswind situations with the bar. It's stormy here today and the wind was howling on my way home from school. I could tell the Yaris was getting pushed around a bit but, there's a very noticeable difference now. I don't have to keep a tight grip on the wheel & constantly battle the wind anymore. Makes for a much more relaxed driving experience. Why Toyota doesn't install the rear sway bar stock is beyond me. The car's so much more driver friendly after the install. It's a relatively cheap mod to get though anyhow.

I think it actually makes me wanna drive the Yaris more, like even when I don't need to. :burnrubber:

[cali yaris]

Why Toyota doesn't install the rear sway bar stock is beyond me.

so it can be a $13000 car, probably. Same with the center console, a tach (until last year), foglights, etc.

[sickpuppy1]

so it can be a $13000 car, probably. Same with the center console, a tach (until last year), foglights, etc.

Exactly right, Everything Toyota "should have" thrown in as standard drives the cars base price up.
You gotta remember what the car was designed for,versus what we do with it. I really dont think they had trying to pull .9 g's in a corner in mind when they built it (or 12.8 in the 1/4 mile, lol) I personally am happy with what they built and enjoy adding only and exactly what I want as I can afford it.

[RedRide]

Years ago, Ford admitted that it only cost them about $500 more to build the "Galaxy 500" over the "Pinto".

However, they charged thousands more for the "Galaxy 500.

All auto maufacturers dumb down the entry level cars so they can justfy the high price for the more expensive models.
IMO, this is exactly why they chose not to include a rear sway bar in the yaris and gave it a beam axel.

[petyanca]

Had the Ultra Racing 19mm rear sway bar installed on my sedan today. Huge, huge difference. Luckily, I got to test it fairly thoroughly today too. The Yaris is definitely tighter and surer on the road now. Steering and cornering are almost effortless. All I can say is: "Wow!". Kudos to Garm @ Micro Image for providing great products, customer service & support. Digging my YW T-shirt too. :thumbsup:

How does the bar attach to the body ?

[1.5]

It bolts underneath the car in the rear connecting the two perches of your torsion beam and runs along side that torsion beam. It bolts at the same location as the struts.

[petyanca]

It bolts underneath the car in the rear connecting the two perches of your torsion beam and runs along side that torsion beam. It bolts at the same location as the struts.

Got it, I didn't realize that beam twists and thought a sway bar should attach to the cab itself. Now where can I get a 23mm sway bar? My yaris is stock and I don't like how it rolls side to side on twisty roads.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

It bolts underneath the car in the rear connecting the two perches of your torsion beam and runs along side that torsion beam. It bolts at the same location as the struts.

You mean shock :wink:

[trdvvti07]

I feel the car twirking beneath me at 70mph around these jug handle turns... Looking for undercarriage ideas to stiffin out

[1.5]

You mean shock :wink:

You know I still don't get the difference. Is the rear not called a strut because its not a "coil over?" I've had a warranty claim with Megan and they call it a strut too.

[cali yaris]

^ Rear sway bar is the best solution besides springs and other more involved mods.

This is the best product:
http://shop.microimageonline.com/Whiteline-22mm-Adjustable-Rear-Swaybar-Yaris-xD-BTR86Z.htm

[xnamerxx]

You know I still don't get the difference. Is the rear not called a strut because its not a "coil over?" I've had a warranty claim with Megan and they call it a strut too.

Its not called a strut because shocks only handle movement absorption and struts handle that and load. So a strut acts as an upper control arm and a shock where as a shock is just a shock.

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5561429_difference-between-shocks-struts.html

[1.5]

Got it thanks, that link sounds like what I was thinking.