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Kal-El
09-29-2011, 05:26 PM
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/11q3/2012_chevy_sonic_ltz_turbo_vs._2011_honda_fit_spor t_2012_hyundai_accent_se_2012_kia_rio5_sx_2012_nis san_versa_sl_2012_toyota_yaris_se-comparison_tests

http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/reviews/comparisons/11q3/2012_chevrolet_sonic_ltz_turbo_vs._2011_honda_fit_ sport_2012_hyundai_accent_se_2012_kia_rio5_sx_2012 _nissan_versa_sl_2012_toyota_yaris_se-comparison_tests/gallery/2011_honda_fit_sport_2c_2012_toyota_yaris_se_2c_20 12_hyundai_accent_se_2c_2012_nissan_versa_sl_2c_20 12_kia_rio5_sx_2c_and_2012_chevy_sonic_ltz_turbo_p hoto_1/4619771-1-eng-US/2011_fit_20sport_2012_yaris_se_2012_accent_se_2012 _versa_sl_2012_20rio5_sx_2012_sonic_ltz_turbo_101_ 2_cd_gallery.jpg

Sixth: 2012 Nissan Versa SL
Fifth: 2012 Kia Rio5 SX
Fourth: 2012 Hyundai Accent SE
Third: 2012 Toyota Yaris SE
Second: 2012 Chevrolet Sonic LTZ Turbo
First: 2011 Honda Fit Sport

Kal-El
09-29-2011, 05:28 PM
Pretty good showing. :thumbsup:

Compared to many of the mediocre reviews so far. This is good to see.

Maybe there's hope yet for the new Yaris.

The brand new Versa is crap, it turns out. That's what happens when you build a car to start at $10,995.

fnkngrv
09-29-2011, 05:43 PM
Weird article for sure. I find it interesting how they found what they did to complain about it which is different than what other reviews have said that I have seen.

Thirty-Nine
09-29-2011, 07:21 PM
So I haven't read the article yet, but I'm floored they ranked the Yaris third! Happy, but floored.

EDIT: Read the article (OK, skimmed it). I can't stand these articles that add the secondary theme (e.g. Food here). I see this more and more.

Anyway, very interesting. I've driven the Fit, and it is great, so it's no surprise. C&D loves it some Honda, too, so it's doubly not surprising.

Wonder why there was no Fiesta or 2? Very strange that wouldn't have at least one of them ... neither is any older than the Fit.

Chuck G
09-29-2011, 07:30 PM
I really have to wonder how they would have rated it if it
still had the center mounted gauges?

Thirty-Nine
09-29-2011, 07:34 PM
The new Yaris is growing on me, I'll have to admit.

BluYrs
09-30-2011, 02:24 AM
I honestly have to say that I'd never have guessed that this sentence could be used in a review about the Yaris: "Inexpensive cars don’t have to be boring." The previous Yaris always seemed to be the expensive and boring one in comparison tests.

I thought the new Rio would fare better in such reviews. It seems like a strong contender in the class. I'm not really surprised that the Fit won. Sorry to say, but it always seems to have done the mini-MPV thing a bit better than the Yaris. It also seems that the Sonic reached second place purely because the Aveo that it replaces was such a sh**** car.

Bernie P.
09-30-2011, 10:30 AM
Of those I'd rank it first.The Fit looks like what that little old lady in the Sylvester and Tweety cartoons who whacks Sylvester the cat over the head with a broom would drive.The Chevy will spend more time in the shop than on the road.Wonder why they didn't include the Ford Fiesta?

Thirty-Nine
09-30-2011, 10:47 AM
I thought the new Rio would fare better in such reviews. It seems like a strong contender in the class. .

Funny, me too. Subcompact Culture will actually be at the national press launch of the 2012 Yaris (I won't be there, my wife is attending). I'll be interested in seeing what her take is on the new Rio. Hopefully I'll get one for reveiw soon, too.

- Andy

mr9865
09-30-2011, 02:27 PM
Looking at the test sheet they post the yaris needed 91 octane

Cillian
09-30-2011, 04:00 PM
Looking at the test sheet they post the yaris needed 91 octane

only 91 octane? how much needs second generation yaris in the rest of the world, excepting europe with 95 octane?

A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby
09-30-2011, 06:57 PM
I'm gonna bet that: just the loss of center console sways opinion toward positive

MadMax
09-30-2011, 07:21 PM
The new Yaris is growing on me, I'll have to admit.

Same here...

Kal-El
09-30-2011, 10:47 PM
The Chevy will spend more time in the shop than on the road.

:confused: This is light years ahead of the Korean built Aveo. Expect this to be as well made as most of the New GM's lineup - very reliable.



Wonder why they didn't include the Ford Fiesta?

From the article....

"We revisited the segment in 2010 (“Ego Shrinkers”), only to elect the Fit again to the segment’s highest office, nudging out the Mazda 2 Touring and Ford Fiesta SES. As a result, those two weren’t included in this competition. Yeah, we know, maybe they should have been. We’ll confess that neither would have finished anywhere near last in this face-off. But we gotta draw the line somewhere."

Unfortunately, there's always omissions in these comparison tests.


Looking at the test sheet they post the yaris needed 91 octane

Clearly this is false. If the Yaris required 91, then regular 87 wouldn't be in production because all other cars would also require 91+. The Yaris is designed especially to be as low cost to own as possible.

only 91 octane? how much needs second generation yaris in the rest of the world, excepting europe with 95 octane?

In most of the states in America, 91 is mid grade (grades include 87,89, 91,93 - Sunoco offers 94 ). Most areas I've seen offer only the ones in bold, no 91.

So a great majority of Americans fill up with 87 "regular". Usually, only luxury/high end cars call for premium.

Kioshi
10-01-2011, 02:09 PM
I'm liking the new Yaris as well The rear is growing on me more and more, wish we got the reflectors for current gen in America~

The audio controls and layout still disgusts me. I like my tower structured controls going from up to down.

jekqmb
10-02-2011, 01:32 PM
If Toyota would Turbo the Yaris here in the U.S. it would kill everything in its class! Great article to read!

The Limo
10-02-2011, 04:43 PM
The Europeans use a slightly different octane rating system then what we do in North America. There is a 4 point difference. 87 octane here is equal to 91 octane there.

mazilla
10-02-2011, 05:05 PM
I can't tell which one is the yaris is in that picture, lol.

jpmck03
10-02-2011, 06:12 PM
The Europeans use a slightly different octane rating system then what we do in North America. There is a 4 point difference. 87 octane here is equal to 91 octane there.

Yeah, but Car and Driver is an American magazine and they did the road test in America. So I'm guessing they used American gas with American octane ratings? :iono:

Our destination was Drummond Island off Michiganís Upper Peninsula, 700 miles there and back.

Bernie P.
10-03-2011, 10:20 AM
Kal-El where did you get the data on GM being very reliable?According to the last CR auto issue they ranked next to last just ahead of Chrysler for dependability.

Kal-El
10-03-2011, 12:45 PM
Kal-El where did you get the data on GM being very reliable?According to the last CR auto issue they ranked next to last just ahead of Chrysler for dependability.

Here's J.D. Powers 2011 chart. Chevy ranked average here, which can be considered very reliable since the average car is indeed very well built these days. Notice Buick and Cadillac rank above average. Good brands like Nissan, Mazda, & Scion have more problems than GM.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/03/jd-power-chart-1.jpg