Going Boosted!!!!!!! :D

[djgab101]

Hey guys

Today I decieded fuk it!! i am going boosted.. I ordered my zage turbo!! i should receive it in the next week or so depending on stock but cant wait for it to arrive and get it installed!!

I have a few tunners around where i live that can help with the installation tuning. I am going to upgrade my injectors when the turbo is installed.. garm be ready as i will be probably buying supplies for brake systems and clutch in a couple weeks time! i will keep you guys posted with everything :biggrin:

[cali yaris]

You'll get good guidance from the members on here who have done it, and we can help as much as possible also. I suggest you tap your own oil return line into the block. Brian has posted all the parts needed for this, and PeterPoop posted really good pictures.

[malibuguy]

just curious...how much is one of their kits?

[cali yaris]

$1649 shipped.

Includes all mechanical parts needed: turbo, IC, mani, downpipe, piping, fittings, oil lines, etc.

[johnny_vitz]

$1649 shipped.

Includes all mechanical parts needed: turbo, IC, mani, downpipe, piping, fittings, oil lines, etc.

Man, that's such a good price...makes me want a turbo:biggrin:

[taKuto]

do it johnny :)

[djgab101]

Thanks alot garm ur the one reason why I am going boosted cause u said ages ages ago buy the zage cause no one have balls to try it :) I will get all the information and tap the block when I get it done so get best oil flow thru to the turbo


I brought my zage turbo kit from zage for $1100 it was on special apparently but I have 300 for shipping and extra fees

[cali yaris]

I see. So after getting great guidance from a supporting vendor, you bought direct. :frown:

Just saying.

[ilikerice]

ouch.. had to sting a little

[david_mackk]

Hey guys

Today I decieded fuk it!! i am going boosted.. I ordered my zage turbo!! i should receive it in the next week or so depending on stock but cant wait for it to arrive and get it installed!!

I have a few tunners around where i live that can help with the installation tuning. I am going to upgrade my injectors when the turbo is installed.. garm be ready as i will be probably buying supplies for brake systems and clutch in a couple weeks time! i will keep you guys posted with everything :biggrin:

You got the 1nz or 2nz engine? I really want to go boosted too but i got the 2nz and don't know if the kits would fit! Good luck and keep us posted!

[djgab101]

Naw I am sorry garm Didn't mean to disrespect

I have the 1nzfe the 1.5L engine

[marcus]

$1600 is not bad assuming its a full kit is it plug and play and how much is the gain

[cali yaris]

When tuned, you'll get approx. 170 whp from the Zage kit. It is complete except for management/wiring.

[pimp my yaris]

You wont regret it. Boost is good. This car was boring without it!

[malibuguy]

shit, i don't think i could make it my self for much cheaper

[djgab101]

Hey guys my turbo has arrive and i have been getting everything ready to be installed!

I would like some help while attaching the oil lines and everything i came across two holes which i have no idea wat connets to it on the turbo i attached some pictures can someone please help me i have tried looking online but no luck

[TURBO YARIS]

Those are used if you want to use the engine coolant to cool down the center section of the turbo.

[djgab101]

Those are used if you want to use the engine coolant to cool down the center section of the turbo.

Oh but if I don't use it can I leave it open?

[TURBO YARIS]

Oh but if I don't use it can I leave it open?

Yes you can.....

[scioncrew]

don't do that! run coolant through the turbo. it's there for a reason.

[djgab101]

I didn't get any fitting for it that's why I was wondering why it was there I was thinking about it and decided I would add the coolant lines in to cool the turbo just need to find out the fitting size and wat I need to get it to work :)

[scioncrew]

measure the hole with some caliper. more likely going to be a 10mm or 12mm x 1.25 or 1.50 banjo bolt

[djgab101]

Yes I shall do that but currently having issues with exhaust bolts not coming loose and those bracket bolts also not moving I applied some wd40 and will give it another go with the extension bar and and a rubber hammer

[djgab101]

Started up my car today idle was great no problems !! Only issue was a oil leak from the return hose haven't had a good look but I think the whole return hose is bad joins... Tomorrow going to raise it up and check it out...


My oil gauge was reading at idle 33 psi to driving under 80 psi according to service manual that is within the cars range I thought oil leak would effect that so it must be a small oil leak...

Should have photos coming up soon :)

[david_mackk]

Any updates? I think you might be the first in aus to turbo a yaris ..... Very jealous :(

[djgab101]

Hey sorry have been so busy with Christmas car is running so well turbo in hitting boost with no problems!!! Need to get it tuned just trying to make time to get it tuned and have dyno sheets up hopefully before and after! Pictures coming soon :) I think I am the first is aus :)

[djgab101]

hey guys finally have some photos up!!
everything is in.. 10 of my friends all put money in and brought me the AEM fic for my bday :D so i am going to get the boomslang from microimage :thumbup:

[cali yaris]

Love the gauges. :biggrin:

Good job on the install. :thumbsup:

[ilikerice]

looks awesome. I am so jealous..

[djgab101]

thanks guys didnt think i was able to do it now i just need to tune it!! since my friends all chipped in and got me the aem fic all i need is the PnP harness from garm :D

[cali yaris]

looks awesome. I am so jealous..

I can fix that. :wink:

djgab, anytime you're ready, we have at least one in stock. :thumbsup:

[33OH]

Sexiest picture ever.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=45050&stc=1&d=1325817899

[ilikerice]

I can fix that. :wink:

:thumbsup:

one day garm.... one day

[djgab101]

I can fix that. :wink:

djgab, anytime you're ready, we have at least one in stock. :thumbsup:


I am ready garm!
PM sent..

[djgab101]

one day garm.... one day


Turbo is so worth it .. Huge difference! Makes driving the yaris so much better!!!! I am going to dyno it before I tune it. Hopefully all goes well with the tunning I am going to try do it myself with some help and guidance from forms on yarisworld I should be fine with the tunning I am just going to add more fuel and maybe later on see wat else I can do with the AEM

[ilikerice]

how much boost are you going to go when you tune?

[cali yaris]

Aras, that's the purpose of a dyno session. To tune the motor.

[cali yaris]

Yes really. I wouldn't dyno before, but if it's running good and has decent A/F, why not?

[cali yaris]

LOL

[ilikerice]

Garm.. you have lost it... talking to yourself and responding... wow

[cali yaris]

omg. LOL. Aras was on here being a goof again.

Yo Mod... um... you can delete mine too!

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Lmao. I think it's fine just the way it is.

[Yoda]

^^^++++

[djgab101]

how much boost are you going to go when you tune?

Going to be running 8psi don't want to blow up the engine!

Car seems to be running fine in cold start makes a little bit of a noise not sure wat it is .. And oil pressure is sometimes high around 90-100 psi on throttle but then goes back to normal once car is warm! But everything seems alright I wana dyno before and after just to see results and for other members!

[cali yaris]

Why not do a pull or two, tune the car ON the dyno (really is the best way), then see your final result?

I'm not sure I understand taking two trip to the dyno, but as you wish!

[djgab101]

That's true I might wait for tune to dyno!

Hey guys last night I installed hks blow off valve and today when I was driving it backfired twice .. Wasn't a loud backfire but is Thai caused by the BOV or which I think is the exhaust valve not closing in time and fuel going into the exhaust? Dont want it to damage the turbo

[Yoda]

You wont damage the turbo. You need to recerc your bov or you maybe running too rich

[Bluevitz-rs]

you need to run the valve recirculated back to the inlet of the turbo. You're venting metered air, so the computer is adding fuel for air that isn't going into the motor when you close the throttle.

[cali yaris]

^ what he said

[djgab101]

Lol guys I wish that made sense kinda made sense I am thinking of putting the old zage bov on it ran much smoother with it on .. Notices some difference with the hks bov

[djgab101]

after researching it made more sense!! found this DIY http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-intake-exhaust/251702-diy-recircualtion-pipe.html

made more sense.. i will find time to do this and see if it work hopefully will stop backfiring and improve the cars response

[djgab101]

Goods news my boomslang harness has arrived from microimage thanks garm!! Bad news was messing around with the o2sensor trying to get the signal wire for my afr gauge and for some reason p0032 and p0038 cels have cone up and won't go away when I clear it 2seconds later code came back! I want to get this fixed I don't like it when my check engine light is on!!

[cali yaris]

^ you can't split the wire from your O2 sensor for a gauge. You need separate, dedicated bungs and use two sensors. That's why wideband AFR gauges come with a sensor (they all should, anyway)

[djgab101]

Thanks for that garm I either blew a fuse or the wire cause it won't go away! But tomorrow I will sort it out!

[djgab101]

Big car issues at the moment!!! I have 2 codes coming P0102 Mass or Volume Air Flow Circuit Low Input and P0335 Crankshaft Position Sensor A Circuit Malfunction

The car is running like shit idle is alright when I rev the engine it barely wants to rev and backfires badly ... Car will barely move !!!

Is this because of my turbo is fucked not getting enough air from the turbo seems it's not sucking in any air! Any one for some help?

[Blown_xa]

:thumbdown:Big car issues at the moment!!! I have 2 codes coming P0102 Mass or Volume Air Flow Circuit Low Input and P0335 Crankshaft Position Sensor A Circuit Malfunction

The car is running like shit idle is alright when I rev the engine it barely wants to rev and backfires badly ... Car will barely move !!!

Is this because of my turbo is fucked not getting enough air from the turbo seems it's not sucking in any air! Any one for some help?
Sounds like the FIC. Who tuned it? Plug in factory ecu to see if it idles fine. Or usually the FIC comes with a harness bypass plug... Unplug the FIC and plug in bypass harness. Also check to make sure all couplers are secure.

[Yoda]

Do you have a boost gauge or A/F? Might be a vac leak but most likely the something with the FIC since you have the P0335. As Blown said use the supplied bypass harness n see if that fixes it then you kno its the FIC.

[cali yaris]

this:
usually the FIC comes with a harness bypass plug... Unplug the FIC and plug in bypass harness.

[djgab101]

Alright guys moment of true unplug AEM fic with the boomslang I didn't use he by pass my car is going to be tuned next week so hopefully car can make it there and then they can plug in the harness and bypass and tune it!

After unplug AEM fix car works fine again .. Tuner said dont waste money getting Air/fuel but I am gonna get one make sure!!

The bypass harness didn't know it was need .. Where does it even connect to and wat does it control I feel like sub a noob!

[djgab101]

alright here is my problem! when i disconnect the boomslang harness from the ecu the car runs fine! if i plug the boomslang into the ecu and put the bypass harness the car runs like shit .. rough reving and jumping idle problems!! so is there an issue with my boomslang harness or wat? then when i plug it into the aem fic .. it seems to run fine with only once their was power loss for a split second!! i dont think the boomslang works with the aem fic bypass it doesnt seem to work!

[CTScott]

alright here is my problem! when i disconnect the boomslang harness from the ecu the car runs fine! if i plug the boomslang into the ecu and put the bypass harness the car runs like shit .. rough reving and jumping idle problems!! so is there an issue with my boomslang harness or wat? then when i plug it into the aem fic .. it seems to run fine with only once their was power loss for a split second!! i dont think the boomslang works with the aem fic bypass it doesnt seem to work!


The boomslang should work fine with the bypass. With fnkngrv's boomslang I found that two wires on the male connector had broken loose from the pins. The male end uses a connector that is harvested from an ECM, so rather than having pins which are crimped to the wires, the wires are just soldered to the tabs that would go into the printed circuit board in the ECM. If any of the solder joints aren't perfect, they will pull off with vibration.

[djgab101]

Check my connections everything seems fine!

After driving around everything fine that one spot where I have loss of power is at low revs when I full throttle it the car has loss of power and makes noise from exhaust as if valves are opening and closing and u can hear it thru the exhaust! Taking my car in 5 days time to fix o2 sensor and the dyno tune! Numbers and dyno sheet hopefully will be provided :)

[cali yaris]

^ sounds like pinging. What grade gas/fuel/petrol (whatever they call it down under) are you using?

[djgab101]

Lol I am using 98 octane premium Petrol

[djgab101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrGDyd2hnm8&context=C3008702ADOEgsToPDskLg76njWenVWLqc2dpyVscR


This is my car issues I noticed when load is low and I hit the throttle Lod jumped to 99 on my scan gauge and car loses power this happen around 2000 rpm and also at 5000rpm

[cali yaris]

What are you using to monitor A/F ratios? Hopefully not the scangauge, it's far too slow to be helpful with that parameter.

[djgab101]

At the moment waiting on wide band to arrive so no monitor any a/f ratios I hope when This goes for a tune on Tuesday that all goes well and everythig is fixed!

[djgab101]

Okay car went for a tune i am picking it up tomorrow in the morning!

apparently At 5000rpm when the mixutre is lean the car pushes to redline but apparently when they add more fuel to keep it stoich the car cuts out. he doesnt wana lean the mixture cause it damage the engine. he said maybe a walbro fuel pump or injectors would solve the issue i am going to order 1zz injectors and hope it fixes the issue!

Otherwise the car is running extremely well apparently and they are happy with wat tune
once i get my car tomorrow i will be able to see how it runs and go from there..

[cali yaris]

What is the duty cycle of the injectors looking like?
They should be able to tell 100% if that's the problem. No guessing allowed.

[Pur_Blu]

U tell um Garm... did they at least tell u what numbers they were able to make with the tune or will u find out 2morrow?

[djgab101]

man i dont know anymore!
getting my car back they told me that my max hp was 129HP if that is true which i dont know is like 20 hp gain on a turbo which i believe cant be right to top it off the dyno was done in 4th gear which i think to be sure should be donw in 3rd gear?

once i got home i looked at the tune the guy did and looking thru the maps he only adjusted the ignition map and fuel map

the o2 map havent been changed or messed around with at all as soon as my a/f gauage arrives i am going to install it and see how the AFR look! car runs up until 5000 rpm where seems to lose of power from fuel

and garm i asked him wat my duty cycle was and he just gave me an example about how at idle they may use .8 volts and at full throttle they could be using 3 volts and injectors arent the way to go it is better to ungrade fuel pump so that when the injectors are opened it would squirt more fuel into the engine when the injectors are open

[djgab101]

U tell um Garm... did they at least tell u what numbers they were able to make with the tune or will u find out 2morrow?

hey i know i was suspost to put photos trying to sort my tune out first but photos will come up!

[cali yaris]

looking thru the maps he only adjusted the ignition map and fuel map

That's perfectly fine, fuel and timing are pretty much what you tune with, unless you get fancy.

garm i asked him wat my duty cycle was and he just gave me an example about how at idle they may use .8 volts and at full throttle they could be using 3 volts

So, using your example, you have a range of 2.2v. 3-.22 = 2.78v = 90%. IF it's linear. I know there's a way to figure or measure it. NOT quoting real numbers.

So sorry, but that is BS -- I've never paid someone to tune my car and not been told what my duty cycles were. Should be between 0-100%, with 100% maxed out. (I think I've seen 110% before, come to think of it). How in the world would you know when to upgrade your injectors without this information?

{edit} maybe this is the limitation of a piggyback (I run standalone) -- can someone else chime in here?

the dyno was done in 4th gear

That is the correct gear in our cars. My pulls were done in 4th at all four of my sessions (180, 230, 310, 357, and one more to come :wink: ).

my max hp was 129HP

Something wrong there unless you are running 2psi.

Post the chart with power AND torque. The two lines should cross at 5250.
Post the chart with air/fuel vs. rpm.

Then we'll know something.

[cali yaris]

Does the tuner have an email address? :biggrin:

[djgab101]

Garm ur 100 percent right the tuners here seem to care more about high horse power cars than they do about smaller cars!
Apparently according to a friend 129 hp is the power at the wheels! The car is boosting all the way to 8 even sometimes 8.5 psi! Car is pushing strong no signs or knocking but Australia's weather is really hot and humid with air intake temperatures at 40degrees and higher on hot days not very good for turbos ... When the weather cools down performance shows strong!

Other zage turbod yaris is ur hp at the wheel or fly wheel? I am going to call up tomorrow and ask them about my dyno sheet cause it feels like i have results but dyno sheet says otherwise

[Yoda]

It's all at the wheel

[cali yaris]

stock Yaris is approx. 106 bhp, and 90-95 whp.

Looking forward to seeing the other, more complete dyno charts.
Sorry for your tuning troubles, it's not uncommon.

Australia's weather is really hot and humid with air intake temperatures at 40degrees and higher on hot days not very good for turbos ...

Yes and no. Higher temps, yes. Although I've raced in 100 degree heat and the car felt pretty strong. It's all about intake temps (see below).

Even at those temps (humidity will raise your power not lower it, turbo motors love a little water) -- you should be making 150+ whp at 8 psi, at the very minimum.

Now ask them what your intake temperatures were on the pulls. :wink: Another critical piece of information any tuner would know.

Sorry, I'm trying to do this piece by piece.
These are all questions you should ask in the meeting with the tuner before you drop off your car. IMO.
Something like the following.

It may sound tedious and anal, but this will save you guys 99% of what I call "Tuning Grief".

Pre-Dyno questions:

Do you charge by the job or by the hour for tuning?
Which tuner from your staff will be running my session?
What data do you monitor, and will be able to report to me during and after the session?
Do you do partial pulls at constant rpm for drivability tuning?
How many cars like mine have you tuned before?
How many times have you tuned with the management I have?
What is your policy if something needs tweaking, repair or replacement during the session?
What do you consider too lean/too rich for my tune?
I have an idea what my car should make when you tune it. What happens if we don't meet that goal?
When was your dyno last calibrated?
May I see some before/after dyno charts from previous tunes?
May I contact 2 or 3 of your customers to get reviews?
May I observe another customer's session first?

And so on... until you feel comfortable you are going to get what you are paying for.

[ilikerice]

That is brilliant! This post alone should be a sticky in this section.

"Pre-dyno Q's for your tuner"

good stuff garm.. will have to favorite this one

[Blown_xa]

I'm guessing because he is in Australia, the tune was done on a dyno dynamics dyno ( which is Australian ). So 129whp seems right on the $ for 8 psi on a small turbo. As far as duty cycles go from a piggy backs standpoint, it is a estimate at best, and is not accurate. When we tune a car with a piggyback, we know it is out of fuel by what the dyno is saying. 129 whp is the point when stock injectors are maxed out on the 1nzfe, tC injectors max out at 150whp... ( stock fuel pump) I found that out personally.

[CTScott]

There's actually an OBD PID for reading the injector pulse width, which returns a value between 0 and 32.64 ms. The duty cycle is a function of the pulse width and the engine RPM.

IDC = (RPM x IPW) / 1200

So, if the injector pulse width is 20 ms @ 5000 RPM, then the injector duty cycle = (5000 x 20) / 1200 = 83.3%

[Blown_xa]

man i dont know anymore!
getting my car back they told me that my max hp was 129HP if that is true which i dont know is like 20 hp gain on a turbo which i believe cant be right to top it off the dyno was done in 4th gear which i think to be sure should be donw in 3rd gear?

once i got home i looked at the tune the guy did and looking thru the maps he only adjusted the ignition map and fuel map

the o2 map havent been changed or messed around with at all as soon as my a/f gauage arrives i am going to install it and see how the AFR look! car runs up until 5000 rpm where seems to lose of power from fuel
and garm i asked him wat my duty cycle was and he just gave me an example about how at idle they may use .8 volts and at full throttle they could be using
3 volts and injectors arent the way to go it is better to ungrade fuel pump so
that when the injectors are opened it would squirt more fuel into the engine when the injectors are open

Ok I didn't see this before. So it was a dyno dynamics, as I suspected.
Also, from the dyno graph.... Full boost is 6.5 psi, not 8. Those hp numbers are good, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. 150whp on that dyno bends rods. The voltage description you described is most likely the MAF voltage table, which is not related to duty cycle. Only thing I don't like seeing on that dyno sheet.... Is the fact they never calibrated road speed to
RPM, so I don't know how the tuner knew where to make fueling corrections accurately. That sheet also is labeled as " run file 009" , we have never been able to tune a car in just 9 pulls.... So that is suspect. Unless they purposely stopped tuning because they were not comfortable with the fueling.

[cali yaris]

Good points. Zage kit wastegate spring is supposed to be 7 psi, so 6.5 seems reasonable.

But if people here are getting 150-170 whp out of the same kit on the same car with the same management, how does that dyno read as low as 129? I understand some differences but that is 20% minimum. Is it really that brutal of a dyno machine?

I've only tuned on a couple of dynos -- so I'm not qualified to say for certain. Blown_xa, you probably know better.

[ilikerice]

ok, My first dyno graph about 1 1/2 years ago I posted was on a dyno dynamics.. IF anyone remembers, on 3 pulls, It showed I got 115 whp on a stock yaris. I came to find out that this particular dyno, someone can manipulate the numbers. Never understood why. Went to another shop who had a different dyno, the one scca only accepts and I had 86 whp stock.

BUT, also been talking to some guys who tune and they say the dyno numbers are only a reference. just use a dyno and tune it using only that dyno.

Just throwing my personal experience in there. Dont know the entire background of the OP setup. just something to consider. If I am wrong then correction is needed, please input

[pimp my yaris]

183whp and 187tq on a mustang dyno at about 70F and 9.5 psi

[Blown_xa]

Yea, any dyno can have a correction factor entered. Usually if there is a correction factor, it will be on the sheet most of the time ( example : correction 1.12 or SAE.... If it just says SAE, that could be anything. 1.12 for example is 12%. We leave it at zero, unless the customer requests Dyno Jet numbers ( some cars get classified through NASA by dyno jet numbers). Dyno dynamics uncorrected reads 8 to 12% lower than dyno jet, and 15 to 18% lower than dyna pack. 84 to 86 whp is what I saw on stock xA xB a long time ago during a scion meet.

But yea, the dyno is just a tool for tuning... Don't get all caught up with numbers. But to shed some light, that dyno is on the $ from what I see. Plus it is always fun to show up on a dyno day elsewhere and put down crazy numbers.

[cali yaris]

^ Agreed that it's just a reference, especially if you use the same dyno over and over again.

But I think there's something off with the whole thing. Until I see more charts or know duty cycles and/or intake temps, I can't comment any further. I'm no expert at this, but I know what I know from my extensive trial and error efforts. :frown:

[ilikerice]

Dyno Jet, thats what it was. could not remember that to save my life

[djgab101]

Man thanks guys for the feedback thanks alot guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap:

stock Yaris is approx. 106 bhp, and 90-95 whp.

Looking forward to seeing the other, more complete dyno charts.
Sorry for your tuning troubles, it's not uncommon.



Yes and no. Higher temps, yes. Although I've raced in 100 degree heat and the car felt pretty strong. It's all about intake temps (see below).

Even at those temps (humidity will raise your power not lower it, turbo motors love a little water) -- you should be making 150+ whp at 8 psi, at the very minimum.

Now ask them what your intake temperatures were on the pulls. :wink: Another critical piece of information any tuner would know.

Sorry, I'm trying to do this piece by piece.
These are all questions you should ask in the meeting with the tuner before you drop off your car. IMO.
Something like the following.

It may sound tedious and anal, but this will save you guys 99% of what I call "Tuning Grief".

Pre-Dyno questions:

Do you charge by the job or by the hour for tuning?
Which tuner from your staff will be running my session?
What data do you monitor, and will be able to report to me during and after the session?
Do you do partial pulls at constant rpm for drivability tuning?
How many cars like mine have you tuned before?
How many times have you tuned with the management I have?
What is your policy if something needs tweaking, repair or replacement during the session?
What do you consider too lean/too rich for my tune?
I have an idea what my car should make when you tune it. What happens if we don't meet that goal?
When was your dyno last calibrated?
May I see some before/after dyno charts from previous tunes?
May I contact 2 or 3 of your customers to get reviews?
May I observe another customer's session first?

And so on... until you feel comfortable you are going to get what you are paying for. garm i hopeing to get some of these important questions answears on monday cause they are closed on the weekend!

I'm guessing because he is in Australia, the tune was done on a dyno dynamics dyno ( which is Australian ). So 129whp seems right on the $ for 8 psi on a small turbo. As far as duty cycles go from a piggy backs standpoint, it is a estimate at best, and is not accurate. When we tune a car with a piggyback, we know it is out of fuel by what the dyno is saying. 129 whp is the point when stock injectors are maxed out on the 1nzfe, tC injectors max out at 150whp... ( stock fuel pump) I found that out personally. good to know when stock injectors max out gives me some information on wat to do!

There's actually an OBD PID for reading the injector pulse width, which returns a value between 0 and 32.64 ms. The duty cycle is a function of the pulse width and the engine RPM.

IDC = (RPM x IPW) / 1200

So, if the injector pulse width is 20 ms @ 5000 RPM, then the injector duty cycle = (5000 x 20) / 1200 = 83.3%
definitaly gonna try have a look into this and see if i can find some codes to get my injector pulse width!!
Good points. Zage kit wastegate spring is supposed to be 7 psi, so 6.5 seems reasonable.

But if people here are getting 150-170 whp out of the same kit on the same car with the same management, how does that dyno read as low as 129? I understand some differences but that is 20% minimum. Is it really that brutal of a dyno machine?

I've only tuned on a couple of dynos -- so I'm not qualified to say for certain. Blown_xa, you probably know better. if there spring rate is 7psi but my gauge is showing 8 psi boosting on full throttle at arond 4500rpm .. i was told mine was 8psi set! not many places that do dyno runs in around me i have about 3 places in 1 hours drive from me

[djgab101]

i Have ordered myself a set of 1zz injectors and also thinking of getting a walbro 255 fuel pump to go with the car! some times at full throttle car seems to be starved of fuel espically at high rpm! does anyone know a diy or where i can locate the fuel pump? is it in the tank or external fuel pump? finding it hard to find information about it!

found my information guys
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8678420/2007-Toyota-Yaris-Repair-Manual-08-Fuel-System

[cali yaris]

255 goes in the tank. Your stock pump is about the size of a "D" cell battery, lol. The 255 is a little bigger, will require minor mods to install in the tank.

That's what I'm using with 632cc injectors, I have more than enough power to go beyond 400 whp.

[djgab101]

on the way my walbro fuel pump and 1zz injectors!!!!!!!!!!

i had a question i unplug my o2 sensor to run in only open look but sometimes when i was driving it would still change to closed loop is this because of the intake sensor?

[Bluevitz-rs]

By O2, you're referring to the second one after the CAT? If so, it's only there to make sure the CAT is working.

[cali yaris]

on the way my walbro fuel pump and 1zz injectors!!!!!!!!!!

I don't remember getting a chance to take that order, either. :rolleyes:

[Yoda]

I don't remember getting a chance to take that order, either. :rolleyes:

haha you see what he did there :biggrin:

[cali yaris]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ8LEMCI3jg30_bZq6ZHBCoeIpajvnN6 7ZFNDZpWZhnagwxNJfg1jlfBn441g

[djgab101]

I don't remember getting a chance to take that order, either. :rolleyes:

Didn't know u sold 1zz injectors or walbro haven't seen it on microimage!

[cali yaris]

And I keep saying to make inquiries and check our line card. But it's ok you can buy from whatever source works for you!

[djgab101]

And I keep saying to make inquiries and check our line card. But it's ok you can buy from whatever source works for you!

yea but garm products are always the best plus free stickers :thumbup:
if i need anything i am going to inbox u first !!

[cali yaris]

free T shirts if you keep coming back! :thumbsup:

[cali yaris]

sooo.... how's it going? :smile:

on the way my walbro fuel pump and 1zz injectors!!!!!!!!!!

i had a question i unplug my o2 sensor to run in only open look but sometimes when i was driving it would still change to closed loop is this because of the intake sensor?

[1.5]

I want a free T-shirt

[djgab101]

hey guys

i dont even wana explain the issue i have been having well i havent had my car for 4 weeks but getting this week this means i havent had it for 5 weeks now! stupid fuel issue!

well on the bright side walbro i getting done i have an afr gauge that will go in and also got an intercooler water jet spray kit .. I promise to post take a loads of photos as soon as possible! also with new pump since old one was gone hoping for better dyno run! :D all to be posted in the next few 3-4 days i hope!! :D

[djgab101]

so i get a call from the my tuner my fuel system is installed but now my crank angel sensor is showing a check engine light which is preventing the car from starting! a new sensor has to be ordered another 5 days wait to get it shipped and installed :(

[Yoda]

Hmm that don't seem right...

[ilikerice]

Yea.. I dont believe the sensor is actually bad. but somewhere else. Sounds like he is just throwing parts at it

[cali yaris]

I've had that wire go bad because it was rubbing and have to replace the sensor before.

But make sure he SHOWS you the bad part. I always do. :smile:

[ilikerice]

BTW.. he had that same code on in post #55. Could be harness connection?

[djgab101]

Yes I did have a engine code show up ages ago and never went away it was the crank signal well Monday or Tuesday I will be down there to check out my car

[Blown_xa]

I seem to recall this situation with the FIC when our tuner tuned Scions a lot. if I remember correctly, it was one of two things..... The firmware used is not correct, or the FIC unit itself is faulty. I HIGHlY doubt the crank sensor took a crap.

[djgab101]

I seem to recall this situation with the FIC when our tuner tuned Scions a lot. if I remember correctly, it was one of two things..... The firmware used is not correct, or the FIC unit itself is faulty. I HIGHlY doubt the crank sensor took a crap.


So wat ur saying is the my aem fic is fuked and there is nothing wrong with my crank sensor .. Probably have to send it from where I got it to maybe get it check out I got it as a present friends all put money together and brought it for me

[cali yaris]

^No. What he is suggesting is that it might need a firmware update to a different version, maybe even a previous version. I would certainly try that before deciding the unit itself is toast.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

.z107 is the accepted firmware for toyotas / scions.

[Yoda]

^^^^This

[djgab101]

alright thanks alot guys i will double check that with the guys !!!

[djgab101]

okay guys getting my car tomorrow morning.. but not happy

speaking to the guy my o2 oxygen sensors the heating element inside both the o2 sensors keep short circuiting which means when my car is cold it will run crap cause it wont be getting information! They brought me two new ones and after they dyno'd it both sensors heating element have short circuited again! thats my first fuking problem

secondly my car will get up 5000rpm and will hit a dead wall! according to the guy he says it a conflict between aem fic and the ecu, could the problem be that the car timing is off at high rpm possibly? Which isnt properly done in the ignition section of the aem?

why is it that my yaris has major issues while other yaris members arent seeming to have as bad of issues as i am! i have a feeling that the boomslang i have maybe isnt the same wiring as the yaris in america!

he said that the afr on WOT is 12:1 which i still need to install my AFR gauage in

anyone give me any input i have no idea wat the fuk is going on!? i dont understand the point of having a boosted yaris if u can even have the full rev range

[djgab101]

.z107 is the accepted firmware for toyotas / scions.

if that is the excpeted fireware i am using currently the F/IC - 6 Patch V3.05

where do u find the z.107???

[Yoda]

if that is the excpeted fireware i am using currently the F/IC - 6 Patch V3.05

where do u find the z.107???

Check the aem forums they have it on there. Don't kno why you are having some many issues. It must be in the tuning somewhere I think. Most of us are running open loop with no o2 sensor.

[cali yaris]

why is it that my yaris has major issues while other yaris members arent seeming to have as bad of issues as i am!

Maybe you should ask your tuner that.

They brought me two new ones and after they dyno'd it both sensors heating element have short circuited again!

Did they give you the old parts to inspect?

RULE #1: Always get back any parts replaced on your car.

[djgab101]

Maybe you should ask your tuner that.

my tuner has no idea!! he says its conflict between aem and ecu


Did they give you the old parts to inspect?

RULE #1: Always get back any parts replaced on your car.

going tomorrow i will ask him!

[djgab101]

Check the aem forums they have it on there. Don't kno why you are having some many issues. It must be in the tuning somewhere I think. Most of us are running open loop with no o2 sensor.

well tuning is going shit so i probably say tunning is the issue!

[Yoda]

well tuning is going shit so i probably say tunning is the issue!

If you can take your car somewhere else to have them have a look.

[djgab101]

Alright got my car back runs well Only problem is a constant cranksensor mulfaction and both exhaust sensor heat circuit

The 2 oxygen sensors both the heat element inside have broken which where brand new so the car has to warm up the o2 sensor

The car still hits a brick wall at 5000rpm but reading aem forums they have see this before I am going to try tonight and fix that problem that's to you guys and aem i think it's the firmware which I hope should fix it more to update!

Btw garm I asked for parts and he apparently couldn't find them which is bullshit! He probably has them in the garage!

[djgab101]

If you can take your car somewhere else to have them have a look.

I am looking around for places not many places wana deal with small cars or have no expirence with the aem fic

[Blown_xa]

Alright got my car back runs well Only problem is a constant cranksensor mulfaction and both exhaust sensor heat circuit

The 2 oxygen sensors both the heat element inside have broken which where brand new so the car has to warm up the o2 sensor

The car still hits a brick wall at 5000rpm but reading aem forums they have see this before I am going to try tonight and fix that problem that's to you guys and aem i think it's the firmware which I hope should fix it more to update!

Btw garm I asked for parts and he apparently couldn't find them which is bullshit! He probably has them in the garage!

I think hitting the brick wall a 5000rpm is probably the MAF voltage not being clamped. Feels like an early rev limiter yes? Did somebody wire in the FIC, or did you get the plug and play harness?

[djgab101]

I think hitting the brick wall a 5000rpm is probably the MAF voltage not being clamped. Feels like an early rev limiter yes? Did somebody wire in the FIC, or did you get the plug and play harness?


the maf hasnt been clamped which i was trying to solve how to do it and still unsure??? the aem is using the plug and play harness!

[cali yaris]

well tuning is going shit so i probably say tunning is the issue!

1. No. The tuner is the issue.

Btw garm I asked for parts and he apparently couldn't find them

2. See #1.

[why?]

if he doesn't have the parts he took out he probably never actually took anything out...

[Focus_Sh1ft]

if that is the excpeted fireware i am using currently the F/IC - 6 Patch V3.05

where do u find the z.107???

That's the version of the software you're running on your computer, not the firmware running on the FIC itself.

well tuning is going shit so i probably say tunning is the issue!

Your tuner is a moron.

I believe every person that has used the boomslang has had issues with a crank related CEL

[Golddeenoh]

sounds like with the o2 sensor that they guys need something to blame because they do not wish to be at fault. Also try and taking a look to see if it looks as though the o2 sensors where even removed or if they just guessed that to be the issue and are just trying con some more money out of you.

[djgab101]

alright guys updated the firmware and car is still running which is good i noticed that the guy put the o2 sensor in the wrong bung ... he put the o2 sensor in the bung where the wideband should be! i purchased a prosport wideband and was looking and noticed it! not sure if that would change the issue! installing my wideband in the next week i hope when i do i will put the o2 sensor in the correct bung!

car runs smoothly uptill 5000rpm sometimes it will go all the way to redline sometimes it wont

Next step is to clamp my maf sensor cause at the moment my maf sensor hasnt been touched at all.. in the aem maf map its all "0" i want to hide the boost i am looking all over internet youtube and aem forums to get an idea of wat to do i will attempt it asap!

and guys thanks alot for all ur help!!! not sure how much u guys understand how much i appreciate all the feedback!!

[djgab101]

I believe every person that has used the boomslang has had issues with a crank related CEL

good to know i am not the only one!

[djgab101]

after researching found that CT Scott found a problem with the PnP harness!

"The issue that I found with it last night is that the MAF (VG) signal and the Crank position sensor (NE-) signal are supposed to be "intercepts" rather than "taps" as they are wired on the boomslang. As-is. the F/IC can only read, and not override the MAF and Crank signals to the ECM. "
"
this is not easy to understand but looks like i probably have to do this to get the crank engine light fixed

my plan is to check the PnP with the installation guide and look over everything! espically crank and cam wires
also going to check my oxygen sensors wires maybe a error there since it is apparently shorting out my sensor heater!

[ilikerice]

good catch.. who needs a tuner when you have yarisworld/forced induction forums..

[djgab101]

good catch.. who needs a tuner when you have yarisworld/forced induction forums..

Dam straight!!!!!!!!!!

[Jeff@MicroImage]

Never hurts to double check wiring and connections but keep in mind that the harness that Scott found the issue with was a very early pre-production harness that Boomslang made.

The harness you have is revised, with a single large connector and we have not had any wiring issues with these.

[djgab101]

Never hurts to double check wiring and connections but keep in mind that the harness that Scott found the issue with was a very early pre-production harness that Boomslang made.

The harness you have is revised, with a single large connector and we have not had any wiring issues with these.

That good to know hopefully it will be a quick look over the wires and can go from there!

[djgab101]

double check wires and all looks fine all good connections!!
installed afr gauge working well.. since i updated my firware settings have changed and once i start clamping my maf the ecu will change its fuel afr so i am gonna have to start with a new tune i was going to start with.. after changing maf map to percentage and all zeros i had receieved a check engine light p0223 "throttle sensor curcit high" car idles alright but wont rev at all!! i am pretty sure this is the cause of maf sensor!

Clampin my MAF sensor not sure to use percentage or voltage as the option of tuning
then i was going to adjust the AFR using the Fuel map with input as MAF once the car has this set up it should hopefully run smooth thru out the rev range with ECU not seeing boost! 12.1 on wot 13.1 on cruise and 14.7 on idle!

from there might try and adjust the ignition map can anyone give me any tips that might make this a litttle easier???? at the moment gathering as much information from yarisworld aem fic forums and youtube aem fic deminstrations! also got the AEMlog which has help alot

[djgab101]

any advice would be apprepicated! :D

[djgab101]

After doing loads of experiments and testing found out that the knocking has come from my 4th cylinder it is a bottom end problem the compression in the cylinder was test at 12psi added oil into the cylinder and it went to 150 psi so i am pretty sure my piston rings are fuked and my piston is rattling when it goes up and down the cylinder bore :(

[pimp my yaris]

After doing loads of experiments and testing found out that the knocking has come from my 4th cylinder it is a bottom end problem the compression in the cylinder was test at 12psi added oil into the cylinder and it went to 150 psi so i am pretty sure my piston rings are fuked and my piston is rattling when it goes up and down the cylinder bore :(

That sucks. Sorry to hear that man. I had the same problem with not reving to redline. I had to retard my timing progessively as boost increased in my timing map to take care of it. Stock compression is pretty high and with boost if the nock sensor detects detonation it will retard timing and and not allow the engine to get to redline.

Unfortunatly it seems you may have bigger problems. Try a rebuild with new pistons and rods. You wont regret it.

[djgab101]

well it is offical my engine blew up, on the way from going to a garage my motor made a massive bang oil squirted from somewhere onto my turbo making my car into a massive ball of white smoke!! all my engine oil went all over the road, checking as much as i could didnt see any crack in the engine but i couldnt see the back side of the engine where the exhaust/turbo is, tow truck took the car now at the Garage probably get a phone call tomorrow asking telling me issue happened! i am pretty sure my engine is finished so a new engine will be brought soon possibly upgrading with forged pistons and rods

[cali yaris]

Sorry to hear of the troubles! I hope you can get her back on the road soon and there isn't too much damage besides the motor.

[thefalls]

When going for the forged build,please do a nice thread with lots of pictures!
Thanks.

[djgab101]

guys so i found a motor with 29 000 kms on it! I want to rebuild the bottom end so forged pistons and rods!

How difficult is this DIY, i have pretty good knowledge on cars! I have the toyota 1nzfe full specs on engine remvoal and overhaul with pictures and instructions on how to do everything but can any one offer advice on ?

[CTScott]

guys so i found a motor with 29 000 kms on it! I want to rebuild the bottom end so forged pistons and rods!

How difficult is this DIY, i have pretty good knowledge on cars! I have the toyota 1nzfe full specs on engine remvoal and overhaul with pictures and instructions on how to do everything but can any one offer advice on ?

This recent thread is probably the best one on that subject:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39407&page=4

[cali yaris]

pimp and his friend did it themselves. I had my bottom end built by someone else.

[djgab101]

This recent thread is probably the best one on that subject:

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39407&page=4

i have been watching that thread has some really good pictures and information!

might see once all the parts how difficult it might be!

[djgab101]

Finally got my car from the tow company Sunday I shall start stripping down my car! Find out wat actually happened to my engine!

Would everyone agree that my engine has been damaged from a bad tune? If it's only on 8psi with engine damaged tune seems to be the problem!

[ilikerice]

I know this is kinda far fetched.. but If it you had the money, when ever a check engine light comes on, the ecu will take snap shots of (correct me if im wrong) 10 seconds before the CEL came on and after. So you can see what ALL the sensors was reading when your engine blew up. Ex, oil pressure drop, fuel mixtures, knocks/pings.

only reason i say this is pure curiousity.. At lexus, we could see what happend and what RPM, engine temp, etc. the CEL took place and try to duplicate it.

Like I said. It's a long shot and would prob have to pay for a tow truck and pay a diag fee.. They can use thier laptop TechStream tool and print out a copy for you

[pimp my yaris]

I know this is kinda far fetched.. but If it you had the money, when ever a check engine light comes on, the ecu will take snap shots of (correct me if im wrong) 10 seconds before the CEL came on and after. So you can see what ALL the sensors was reading when your engine blew up. Ex, oil pressure drop, fuel mixtures, knocks/pings.

only reason i say this is pure curiousity.. At lexus, we could see what happend and what RPM, engine temp, etc. the CEL took place and try to duplicate it.

Like I said. It's a long shot and would prob have to pay for a tow truck and pay a diag fee.. They can use thier laptop TechStream tool and print out a copy for you

May need to go to a Toyota dealer to get scanned with the oem scanner to get that freeze frame info.

[pimp my yaris]

Building the engine yourself is certainly possible, but I wouldn't call it easy. I was lucky to have a friend with some experience with a few engine builds under his belt to help out with checking piston ring end gaps and assembling crank main caps just right. I also worked as a dealer mechanic for about 12 years. Although I installed many engines in that time and also removed many cylinder heads, I never rebuilt a lower end or short block. I am pretty sure I could pull it off this build by myself now but if I didnt have the helpful tips I got I may have just dropped the short block off at a "known good" engine builder.

Good luck whatever path U choose:thumbsup:

[Golddeenoh]

speaking of a good know engine builder, is Ptuning the only company that offers a bottom end build for the 1NZ-FE?

[cali yaris]

^ Nope. We can get that done for you. My car is a great example of a reliable, well-built result.

Ptuning has a great rep as well, and might be geographically more desirable.

[Golddeenoh]

yea but if I send it to Cali to get done then I get to bug you more :D ;) don't worry wont be soon but I'm starting to plan it more and more, now to give the wife some money for her down payment on a new 5.0 then I can reinvest money into another Yaris+build

[djgab101]

I know this is kinda far fetched.. but If it you had the money, when ever a check engine light comes on, the ecu will take snap shots of (correct me if im wrong) 10 seconds before the CEL came on and after. So you can see what ALL the sensors was reading when your engine blew up. Ex, oil pressure drop, fuel mixtures, knocks/pings.

only reason i say this is pure curiousity.. At lexus, we could see what happend and what RPM, engine temp, etc. the CEL took place and try to duplicate it.

Like I said. It's a long shot and would prob have to pay for a tow truck and pay a diag fee.. They can use thier laptop TechStream tool and print out a copy for you

I know wat you talking about and yes that is a great idea but how much it would be is another thing cause toyota by me where not even interested in doing a basic service on my car cause it was modified i had to sign papers so they are liable!

Building the engine yourself is certainly possible, but I wouldn't call it easy. I was lucky to have a friend with some experience with a few engine builds under his belt to help out with checking piston ring end gaps and assembling crank main caps just right. I also worked as a dealer mechanic for about 12 years. Although I installed many engines in that time and also removed many cylinder heads, I never rebuilt a lower end or short block. I am pretty sure I could pull it off this build by myself now but if I didnt have the helpful tips I got I may have just dropped the short block off at a "known good" engine builder.

Good luck whatever path U choose:thumbsup:


thanks for ur advice! greatly apprepicated looking around and thinking all options avaliable

[ilikerice]

I know wat you talking about and yes that is a great idea but how much it would be is another thing cause toyota by me where not even interested in doing a basic service on my car cause it was modified i had to sign papers so they are liable!


yea, completly understand. I still have small connections with toyota, until everyone I used to work with finally quit or retire, so I can get access to techstream tool. Again, if no connections its basicly if you have money to throw away.

Anywho.. good luck on your build.

[djgab101]

Okay started pulling it apart haven't got the engine out but found a huge crack under the 4 cylinder smashed so bad hit my turbo piping made dents and small hole! Also have a major crack near the starter motor! Hopefully have the engine out and disassembled soon!! I will post photos tomorrow of the progress

Still umsure about my rebuild tho

[pimp my yaris]

Okay started pulling it apart haven't got the engine out but found a huge crack under the 4 cylinder smashed so bad hit my turbo piping made dents and small hole! Also have a major crack near the starter motor! Hopefully have the engine out and disassembled soon!! I will post photos tomorrow of the progress

Still umsure about my rebuild tho

Everybody loves pictures!

[cali yaris]

+infinity

[thefalls]

As above,pictures will be a boost for us.

[djgab101]

Who can spot the Problem!? ahah

well i have finally got time for my car just need a engine hoist to take it out then ordered nesscairy parts to put it all back together again! my 4th cylinder was the problem seems rod broke made holes everywhere front bottom and back has holes! not sure about the top! i am sure u can see it in the pictures!

[cali yaris]

whoa. OUCH

[Golddeenoh]

looks like you may have spilled some oil a tad bit there.
:D

[djgab101]

Well engine is ready to be hauled out just need to buy an engine jack! Gram u will be hearing from me about parts

My plan is I am not gonna forged my internals I am going to get a stock engine change my clutch to the clutch master get new injectors I feel my cars injectors are maxing out and leaning out which bad if I can eliminate as many possibilities as possible hopefully I find where in my tune is the problem! Planning on get a boost controller so during the week I will run very low psi around 4! So I can take some stress of the engine! Running a car at extremely low psi or no psi is that sufficient air flow into the engine?

Someone said they had to retard their timing map so they could get the car to go Redline! Btw just some fuked up news the company who tuned my car has closed down and being auctioned off!!

[xDiiThy]

Well hello there guys! 6 years later and I have just read this post. Wouldn't an engine swap be better than the problems of installing a turbo?

What is the status of the car now djgab??