Another Pet peeve

[Connoisseur_of_fine_cars]

I thought the instrument panel was really cool. But there is a safety problem. At dusk, not dark enough to see your own headlight light but dark enough that others can't see you w/o your headlight lit, there's no indication that you don't have your headlight lit. Because Yarii instrument panel is always lit. With old school technology, you 'll notice easily that you can't see the instrument panel because its dark, and that's your cue to turn on the headlight. Yarii has no such cue. Almost got into a bad wreck today because of this. I now think Yarii instrucment panel is not very cool. Technology. One step foreward, two steps back.

[jpmck03]

Huh?

http://yarisworld.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=752&pictureid=4923

Next to the CEL... looks like a light bulb with light coming from it.

If it's illuminated... your lights are on. If it isn't... your lights are off.

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

this ^

also you can dim the dashboard lights

yours is probably cranked up to the notch, making it full bright

roll it back halfway, then turn the headlights on ...instrument panel will dim

[Stove]

I can see mine just fine and it's set below 1/2 brightness. Turn it up so you can see your indicator lights. Sounds to me that the only safety issue in your car is the loose nut behind the wheel.:tongue:

[Connoisseur_of_fine_cars]

My grammer must be really bad because yall guys all missed my point.

Let me try it again with an example. I get into car when the sky is bright sun light. I drive and drive. Of course, my headlight is off because the sky is bright. The instrument panel is fully lit; this cannot be dimmed when headlight is off. After driving for many hours, the sky is loosing day light. Other people are starting to turn on their headlights. I'm driving and look down at the instrument and can see everything clearly. There's nothing to indicate my headlight needs to be turned on because everything looks good and bright, whereas in an old school instrument panel, everything would be dark and unseeable. I drive along, and a guy in other car only looks for bright headlight in this low light condition and drives in front of me. Ka-pang!

You get it now? Yarii need some kind of light sensor. When the outside gets dark, a bright red light will blink until headlight is turned on. I'm serious; I've almost gotten into a wreck twice because of this.

[Hershey]

" Sounds to me that the only safety issue in your car is the loose nut behind the wheel.:tongue:"

And members wonder why there's no activity . :rolleyes:

[NZ-FE Vios]

Solution: turn the little knob at the end of the turn signal stalk all the way to the on setting before dusk. (haha, sorry)

My instrument cluster isn't always lit. Maybe they changed it in a later year than yours.

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

My grammer must be really bad because yall guys all missed my point.

Let me try it again with an example. I get into car when the sky is bright sun light. I drive and drive. Of course, my headlight is off because the sky is bright. The instrument panel is fully lit; this cannot be dimmed when headlight is off. After driving for many hours, the sky is loosing day light. Other people are starting to turn on their headlights. I'm driving and look down at the instrument and can see everything clearly. There's nothing to indicate my headlight needs to be turned on because everything looks good and bright, whereas in an old school instrument panel, everything would be dark and unseeable. I drive along, and a guy in other car only looks for bright headlight in this low light condition and drives in front of me. Ka-pang!

You get it now? Yarii need some kind of light sensor. When the outside gets dark, a bright red light will blink until headlight is turned on. I'm serious; I've almost gotten into a wreck twice because of this.

the light sensor is called a 'driver'

how hard is it to turn the lights on ?

you want automatic lights, buy a controller and install one, or get a camry

How can this be a peeve or safety problem with the Yaris ?
fewer cars have automatic lights than those that don't

[Stove]

And members wonder why there's no activity . :rolleyes:

Humor... deal with it.

I would still argue that it isn't a safety problem with the car (or any car that is set up similarly) but I understand that it is difficult to tell if the lights are on at times. During those times look for the headlight indicator in jpmck03's picture or just reach down and check the knob to see if your lights are on if you can't remember if you turned them on or not. I don't see how a warning light to remind the driver to turn their lights on is at all necessary.

[The Limo]

On my 07 sedan my headlight "light" on the dash is where the "cool" light on the dash is in the second post. Don't know if that is because it is a sedan or maybe a Canadian thing. I always check at dusk to make sure that light is on.
Roy

[jpmck03]

...After driving for many hours, the sky is losing day light. Other people are starting to turn on their headlights. ... There's nothing to indicate my headlight needs to be turned on...

Isn't the fact that it's getting dark out a pretty good indicator to turn your lights on?

Or maybe the fact that other drivers have their headlights on?
... there is a safety problem ... with Yarii instrument panel ...

I don't think that this is a flaw with the vehicle or a safety issue for Toyota to worry about...
Yarii need some kind of light sensor. When the outside gets dark, a bright red light will blink until headlight is turned on.

So, they need a light to remind you to turn your lights on when it's dark out?

What next, a light to remind you to turn your wipers on when it's raining?

Or a sensor that tells you that your back window is frosted over, so you should turn your defroster on so you can see?

:iono:

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

^ some cars have all that stuff, they cost a biiiiiiit more than a Yaris...>$100,000

[Connoisseur_of_fine_cars]

Arghh!!! I'm talking about at dusk.

[Connoisseur_of_fine_cars]

My instrument cluster isn't always lit. Maybe they changed it in a later year than yours.

Mine is 2011. Mine is always lit. Looks like the Sedan yaris has the tradition instrument cluster, like a Camry. The LB Yaris has the fancy new always-lit instrument.

Camry
http://expedientmeans.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/camry.jpg

Sedan Yaris
http://0.tqn.com/d/cars/1/7/E/Y/ag_07yaris_s_instpod.jpg

LB Yaris
http://1greenproduct.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/101_0059.jpg

[eTiMaGo]

I look at my climate control knobs as a reminder that my lights are on or off...

[Altitude]

I think there's an app for that...

[w7ist]

You could disable your DRL so that you can't see as it's getting dark. That is halfway there to being more 'old school'.

[CrankyOldMan]

I've had way too many people pull out in front of me during the daytime, so I always keep my lights on. To compensate for the dimmed panel lights, I turn the brightness knob all the way up. Going past the bump at the top end puts the dash lights on full-bright, so they can be more easily seen.

I've made turning on the lights part of my pre-driving sequence, so I don't even think about it when I crank the car up. I.e. foot on break, clutch in, gears in neutral, key in, crank, clutch out, lights on, music on, check mirrors, adjust climate control, etc. etc.

[red 5 door]

:cool:I'm the same way,from riding motorcycles,start up,lights on,set tunes,heat (if needed),away i go,i want to be SEEN all the time.WHY would you wait till dusk any how to use headlights,seems like a no brainer...:cool::headbang:

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

Arghh!!! I'm talking about at dusk.


the light on/off switch is ergonomically designed so that when you
want to turn on the lights you don't need to fully remove your hand
from the steering wheel.

this feature also works at dusk.

[DebbyM46227]

Arghh!!! I'm talking about at dusk.

If you can't figure out on your own when to twist the stalk, maybe you shouldn't be driving at all.

I'm never seen anyone nit-pick over a car as much as you.

[rick996]

There's nothing to indicate my headlight needs to be turned on ....

How about the fact that it's getting dark?? :bellyroll:

[Connoisseur_of_fine_cars]

I'm never seen anyone nit-pick over a car as much as you.

I'm a connoisseur.

[NZ-FE Vios]

I'll tell you what the dealership likes to tell me, "this car is very basic, it's not a camry"

[Hershey]

" Humor... deal with it. "

:respekt: . :wink:

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

I'm a connoisseur.


:bs:

Definition of CONNOISSEUR

expert

especially, one who understands the details, technique, or principles of an art and is competent to act as a critical judge

Judgment informed by intuition is essential, but it must be grounded in a thorough understanding of the work itself.


:laugh:

[Connoisseur_of_fine_cars]

def 2. A person of informed and discriminating taste.

I don't accept the excuse "this car is very basic" for sloppy engineering.

[NZ-FE Vios]

Haha, I tell them that's why I bought it.

As others have stated, you could just always drive with the lights on. It would make you more visible anyway.

But to go in a completely opposite direction, I feel that some people pull out in front or cut me off intentionally. Almost as if they think the car will be slower than it actually is or because they kinda look down their nose at such a little car. and you are in Texas, where everything is bigger.

It could also be that the drivers of the other vehicles are entirely inept and probably shouldn't even be driving anyway. (there are plenty of them out there)

I wouldn't dare go so far as to call the engineering of the Yaris as sloppy. It wins awards and has been a best seller in Europe for the better part of a decade.

Why not just install a sensor that automatically turns the lights on when it notices a lesser amount of light?

Most cars in this range and in the ranges above don't have what you are expecting as an option.

[jpmck03]

... A person of informed and discriminating taste. ...

Good grief, if you are such an informed and discriminating motorist who enjoys driving around in fine automobiles, why aren't you driving around in a Mercedes-Benz, Audi, Lexus or Jaguar?

... I don't accept the excuse "this car is very basic" for sloppy engineering.

Sloppy engineering?! There are 29,213 members on this forum and not once in my almost two years here have I heard of anyone complain about the car not "telling" them to turn their lights on when it's dark out. Seems like that's some pretty solid engineering if 29,212 think that it works fine.

[Connoisseur_of_fine_cars]

Yes, a sensor would fix this. I think GM cars all have sensors for headlights; or at least all the ones I've own, and they were cheap cars (Saturn and S10 pickup).

Maybe swapping a sedan traditional instrument cluster would be a better solution.

[DebbyM46227]

Why don't you just trade that cheap Yaris in on a new Lexus, since you think you are a connoisseur?

My Cavalier had the "daytime running lights" - that's what they are called, but I still had to turn my headlights on myself at dusk. Duh.

[NZ-FE Vios]

My sedan cluster doesn't have the nifty silver gauge rings like in the picture but it isn't always lit like the lb. I may be willing to trade if our cars are close in mileage and we can arrange a way to swap at the same time.. I'm just over 30kmiles

[Connoisseur_of_fine_cars]

I can like cheap cars as well as luxury cars. There's beauty in a simple utilitarian car too. It's just that I've never had this much pet peeve on a single car before, not even on a cheap POS GM econo box. I had a 92 Corolla, and it was perfectly executed. I could not find anything disagreeable about it. The Yaris might get excellent mark for reliablity and performance, but ergonomically, I would give it a failing grade.

Cons: electric steering on highway, LB instrument cluster, clutch pedal interferenece, throttle pedal too light, throttle lag, interior plastic scuffs too easily, annoying seat belt buzzer, difficult to see radio display, head rest tilt too far forward, stinky fabrics, etc.

[JumpmanYaris]

Got troll???

[CrankyOldMan]

I can't tell if the OP is autistic, or just trolling.

[MadMax]

I can't tell if the OP is autistic, or just trolling.

My son is autistic...it's not autism. I think it's the latter.

As for the self-proclaimed "connoisseur," you want fries with that as well?!? :flame:

How about learning to operate a motor vehicle, which includes turning the lights on and off at the appropriate time as defined by the Texas Transportation Code?!?

§547.302. DUTY TO DISPLAY LIGHTS. (http://law.onecle.com/texas/transportation/547.302.00.html) (a) A vehicle shall display each lighted lamp and illuminating device required by this chapter to be on the vehicle:

(1) at nighttime; and
(2) when light is insufficient or atmospheric conditions are unfavorable so that a person or vehicle on the highway is not clearly discernible at a distance of 1,000 feet ahead.
(b) A signaling device, including a stoplamp or a turn signal lamp, shall be lighted as prescribed by this chapter.
(c) At least one lighted lamp shall be displayed on each side of the front of a motor vehicle.
(d) Not more than four of the following may be lighted at one time on the front of a motor vehicle:
(1) a headlamp required by this chapter; or
(2) a lamp, including an auxiliary lamp or spotlamp, that projects a beam with an intensity brighter than 300 candlepower.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, § 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.

§541.401. MISCELLANEOUS TERMS. (http://law.onecle.com/texas/transportation/541.401.00.html) In this subtitle:

(5) "Nighttime" means the period beginning one-half hour after sunset and ending one-half hour before sunrise.

Here's a clue...the headlights don't come on automatically in inclement weather either! :iono:

[JumpmanYaris]

Say troll

[jpmck03]

... I have a few issues. ...

(1) Steering is too sensitive and heavy on the highway. ... I can't comfortably steer with one hand ...

(2) Engine is too quiet, and the gas pedal is too light weight. ... I can't hear or feel the engine speed, nor feel the position of the gas pedal. So sometimes I don't give enough gas and stall the engine, sometimes too much gas and my passengers think I'm showing off. ...

(3) Ride is a bit too bouncy. ...

(4) Seat-belt/key-in-ignition buzzer is very annoying. ...

(5) Idle RPM is lower than all my previous cars. The Yaris idle speed is about 600 RPM. It feels too low. When I press on the gas, there's a slight hesitation before the engine revs up. ...... I don't know if I can ever get used to the Yaris.
I've just 400 miles on my brand new Yaris. Since the day it rolled off the showroom floor, I've thought the interior new car smell was a bit weird. ...
... I'm having tough time pressing the clutch all the way down. ...
Where is the maintenance schedule for Yaris? My owners manual doesn't have one. How am I suppose to know when to change oil, spark plugs, filters, etc? How's wrong with Toyota? They think we're all rich and hand over wads of cash to the dealer for maintenance?
Hi, I'm not used to driving a car with such a low hood. Makes me cringe when I think about the consequence of hitting a deer or pedestrian. ...... there is a safety problem. At dusk, ... there's no indication that you don't have your headlight lit. ... Yarii instrument panel is not very cool. Technology. One step forward, two steps back.
... It's just that I've never had this much pet peeve on a single car before, not even on a cheap POS GM econo box. ... The Yaris might get excellent mark for reliablity and performance, but ergonomically, I would give it a failing grade.

Cons: electric steering on highway, LB instrument cluster, clutch pedal interferenece, throttle pedal too light, throttle lag, interior plastic scuffs too easily, annoying seat belt buzzer, difficult to see radio display, head rest tilt too far forward, stinky fabrics, etc.

Connoisseur_of_fine_cars, stay right where you are!

We'll send along a wambulance as soon as humanly possible!

Once it arrives trained professionals will provide you with comforting words and give you information on how to get a better automobile!

http://yarisworld.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=752&pictureid=4925

[Chuck G]

Connoisseur_of_fine_cars, stay right where you are!

We'll send along a wambulance as soon as humanly possible!

Once it arrives trained professionals will provide you with comforting words and give you information on how to get a better automobile!

http://yarisworld.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=752&pictureid=4925

They'll be pulling a 1992 Corolla behind the Wambulance for you.

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

I found him !


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[Chuck G]

I found him !


http://www.wimp.com/reviewcontest/

:thumbup:

[Killchain]

I found him !


http://www.wimp.com/reviewcontest/


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[jpmck03]

I found him !

http://www.wimp.com/reviewcontest/

You know, I saw that video a while back... and it's still funny! :laugh:

[Klink10]

Well I just want to thank you for that link. Just spent the last 3 hours watching film clips. I've missed so much in my life.

[EPyarisdriver]

Where did he go??

[MadMax]

Where did he go??

Who cares as long as he's gone! :thumbsup:

[jpmck03]

Where did he go??

Maybe a forum where he can chat with fellow connoisseurs of finely-crafted automobiles...
lamborghini-talk.com (http://www.lamborghini-talk.com/), rollsroyceforums.com (http://www.rollsroyceforums.com/forums/), or perhaps ferrarichat.com (http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/)?

Just look for the guy in there bitching about the fact that he misses shifts because of those poorly-engineered paddle shifters...

..or that the engine on his 1989 Geo Metro was of higher quality than his new European-tuned V-12...

..or that it's dangerous that his sports car doesn't have a blinking light to tell him that it's getting dark out and he should turn on his lights...

...or...

:laugh:

[DebbyM46227]

I found him !


http://www.wimp.com/reviewcontest/

Great video! :thumbup: