Help with sizes for wheels running TRD suspension.

[Captain Slow]

Ok, within a year I plan to be running the TRD suspension (springs, shocks/struts, and sway bar). Taking that into account what would be the correct tire size to get for 16x7 wheels to prevent any rubbing?



Thanks guys!

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

not enough details in your question to form an accurate response other than this:

all those wheels will work...

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the question you are not asking is offset and tire size

try -search-
chances are 99.999% the answer is already in the forum

[Captain Slow]

yes...but what size tires should I use on each size to prevent any rubbing with the TRD springs & shocks?

[KCALB SIRAY]

Have you thought about opening up just one thread for your build so you can keep track of your ideas and everyones thoughts on the questions you are asking? You have many threads open and would be easier.

[cali yaris]

not enough details in your question to form an accurate response other than this:

all those wheels will work...


Correct.

yes...but what size tires should I use on each size to prevent any rubbing with the TRD springs & shocks?

Doesn't understand the reply above.

[cali yaris]

Have you thought about opening up just one thread for your build so you can keep track of your ideas and everyones thoughts on the questions you are asking? You have many threads open and would be easier.

+1 gazillion

[cali yaris]

meanwhile,

15" wheels. + lighter, more choices in wheel and tire - don't fill the wheel well as much

16" wheels. opposite of above.

Tire choice can eliminate rubbing with ANY wheel size you listed. That's why no one can answer your question -- yet.

[WeeYari]

Since a TRD drop is only 1.25 inches, 14-17s up to x7, will have absolutely no issues, depending on the critical offset of the wheels.

....and yes, consolidate. This is getting tiresome.

[Captain Slow]

exactly....if I'm running the TRD suspenion (springs and shocks) and also running 16x7 wheels....what size tires would I need to prevent rubbing? I'm afraid I just can't think of any other details that are relevant other than wheel size and suspension setup.

as for the threads...I've tried that before and never gotten any answers. it's highly unlikely someone will read a 10 page long build thread and answer a question at the end of it....likewise I find creating threads with a descriptive title makes it easier for future forum members to easily find the information ;)

[WeeYari]

Have you looked at this? http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5021

Propose a wheel/tire combo to us for feedback. Otherwise this thread will go nowhere.

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

exactly....if I'm running the TRD suspenion (springs and shocks) and also running 16x7 wheels....what size tires would I need to prevent rubbing? I'm afraid I just can't think of any other details that are relevant other than wheel size and suspension setup.

as for the threads...I've tried that before and never gotten any answers. it's highly unlikely someone will read a 10 page long build thread and answer a question at the end of it....likewise I find creating threads with a descriptive title makes it easier for future forum members to easily find the information ;)

:bs:

your murky threads are for other forums users to find answers ?

:bs:

if YOU did some searching, all your answers are already here in the database

1) you have a Yaris, get off yer duff and measure the size of the wheel well
2) subtract the drop of TRD springs
3) use any of the number of tire size calculators and do some crunching on your
offsets and proposed tire choices on the interwebs
4) don't use combos that the math says won't fit

There is your answer...1 - 4 above. Thread over.

toodles

[Captain Slow]

that thread is total gibberish to me. I've done many types of work on vehicles but the two things that I still know practically nothing about is paint and tires.

sorry, but I seriously got nothing from that thread. I just thought someone would know offhand what tires would be appropriate for 16x7s and the TRD package.

the wheels I'm looking at are Drag DR31s.....the offset is listed as 40mm, but what that means in real world terms I couldn't tell you. instead of spending time measuring stuff and still ordering the wrong size tires, I figured someone on here would already know the answer.

[Captain Slow]

Recommended offsets (ET) and tyre widths (mm):

ET35+ = 175-185
ET38-ET40 = 175-195
ET42-ET45 = 195-205
ET45+ = up to 215


195/50/16 = 23.7*
205/50/16 = 24.1*
215/50/16 = 24.5
195/55/16 = 24.4
205/45/16 = 23.2* (Most lowered applications)
225/45/16 = 23.9


this for instance makes no sense. it looks like the first part is recommending 175-195 for 40mm offset...yet the bottom part recommends 205/45/16....and almost all of the wheels I've seen are 40mm offset. so I'm confused.

[Captain Slow]

wait...

15x5.5, ET45, 185/60/15 = 23.7

205/45/16 = 23.2* (Most lowered applications)

and the TRD suspension is designed to work with stock wheels/tires, correct? so then I should be safe with the 205/45/16 right? but then where is the width of the wheel in that?? the diameter would be correct...but wouldn't the extra width cause rubbing?

I am so confused by tire stuff, which is one reason I normally don't bother lowering a car. I just don't understand tire sizes.

Help please? thanks.

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

Please go through and read -every single post- in this thread, and take notes.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10477

[Captain Slow]

wow, now I feel like a total ass for asking what I thought was a simple question.

I don't have time to read 51 pages of posts to find one person running 16x7s with 40mm offset and the trd package just to see what size tires he's running.

[KCALB SIRAY]

Plastic dipsticks what?

[WeeYari]

16x7 with 205/45/16 on a +40mm offset = perfect.

[WeeYari]

Plastic dipsticks what?

...yeah, that's bouncing around in my noggin as well...

[KCALB SIRAY]

;)

[Captain Slow]

16x7 with 205/45/16 on a +40mm offset = perfect.

thank you so much.

that's all I was asking for, not to be made to feel like a jerk/idiot just because I cannot seem to grasp tire sizes. i have lots of ideas, know lots of oldschool tuning tricks, and am pretty good at fabricating things and plan on contributing quite a bit back to these boards...alas certain things are beyond me and I've accepted that long ago. hence I ask ;)

also with a new car there will be lots of questions at first, kinda comes with the territory. thanks to all of you who patiently answer the same old questions that have been asked before.

[jpmck03]

... I don't have time to read 51 pages of posts to find one person running 16x7s with 40mm offset and the TRD package just to see what size tires he's running.

You should be able to skim through it in less than an hour. I know I've gone through that thread before when I was looking to get some summer wheels.

Buying a new set of rims and tires is an investment, doing some research before plopping down hundreds of dollars for wheels and rubber isn't too much to ask. You might not find the exact thing you are looking for, but you're bound to learn something along the way. :thumbsup:

[jpmck03]

Wow, I need to learn how to type faster or something... 5 new posts while I'm putting mine together, yikes!

Regardless, OP hope you figure out what you want to get (and it looks like you have)!

[Captain Slow]

yep, I understand things like traction rating, lol...but sizes have always confused the $&*% out of me ;)

especially when lowering. if I were leaving it stock height I could have figured it out easily enough, I know how to work out the diameter, it was the width that concerned me.

[cali yaris]

lol @ kcalb. really.

exactly....if I'm running the TRD suspenion (springs and shocks) and also running 16x7 wheels....what size tires would I need to prevent rubbing? I'm afraid I just can't think of any other details that are relevant other than wheel size and suspension setup.

So you ask the same question over again. Ok. "other details" that would affect a choice in wheel and tire combination.

1. You load your car up with cargo.
2. You have more than two people in the car.
3. You have an aftermarket stereo with a bass subwoofer in the back.
4. You drive on less than friendly roads more than once in a while.
5. You need wet- or snow-friendly tires that might limit your choices.
6. You want tire longevity instead of more grip - or vice versa.
7. You want performance gains from your wheels, not just looks.

It goes on and on. And ALL of this is discussed to death in other threads. THIS IS WHY YOU ARE NOT GETTING CLEAR ANSWERS. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE.

[cali yaris]

You should be able to skim through it in less than an hour. I know I've gone through that thread before when I was looking to get some summer wheels.

Buying a new set of rims and tires is an investment, doing some research before plopping down hundreds of dollars for wheels and rubber isn't too much to ask. You might not find the exact thing you are looking for, but you're bound to learn something along the way.

This should be the last post in this thread. :rolleyes:

[cali yaris]

16x7 with 205/45/16 on a +40mm offset = perfect.

Nope. 16x7 +42mm with 205/50/16. PERFECT-ER. But then again (again) ((again))... not without knowing what you want.

[WeeYari]

Nope. 16x7 +42mm with 205/50/16. PERFECT-ER. But then again (again) ((again))... not without knowing what you want.

+40mm is the offset of his apparently identified wheel choice.

[matthewai]

kid just comes out the gate blasing q's and blasting off threads left and right

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

don't have time to read a 51 page thread that is full of pics ?

I spent 4 months scrutinizing the interwebs and going to tire shops and also renting vehicles
before I bought 2 different sets and sizes of alloys, and 2 different sets of tires.

that's like, over 5 tires or something

all I needed to ask yarisforums after all the research, was 'is a 1/2 inch tire width stretch
anything to worry about?' then I plunked down about $1600 on meats and rims and was
real happy about it.

see... 'cuz I didn't bug too many people too badly about it. all the info is already here.

I don't use Yaris-related questions to PO the forum...I can do that on off topic threads

[enviri]

on TRD springs, 16x7 +40 and i experienced practically no rub. On lower springs (ex. MI springs) +40 is rubbing all day (before i went -1.5 camber haha), so go +42. the TRD is waayyy too conservative of a drop for my tastes and i had both for over a year lol.

I run 195/50R16s btw. Basically, if you're set on TRD springs (gotta get TRD shocks, unless you wanna stay soft!) +40 and higher offset will be fine on 195 width tires IMO. 205 width tires will be +42 and higher.

[jpmck03]

... I spent 4 months scrutinizing the interwebs and going to tire shops and also renting vehicles before I bought 2 different sets and sizes of alloys, and 2 different sets of tires. ...

And that is a big portion of the joy in modding, IMHO. Taking the time to do some decent research to educate yourself about your next mod.

Seems like it's so much better when you finally see all of your research come to fruition as you finish up that mod, be it new rims and tires, a short shifter or something simple like debadging.

I've yet to do a mod where I said, "Wow, I wish I didn't do that," after the fact. I account that to the fact that I do quite a bit of YarisWorld and Google searching before I pull the trigger on a mod.

:thumbup:

[Captain Slow]

moderator please close and/or delete this thread.

apparently it's not proper etiquette to ask questions and I no longer want to piss anyone off.

[cali yaris]

no wait, I want the last word! :laugh:

Apparently, you're unwilling to answer them, either. Scroll back to post 25 (mine). You could be supplying great information by answering those.

That might make it POSSIBLE for people to help you. I'd like to.

before i went -1.5 camber haha

Should be noted that many rubbing problems can be fixed with a bit of camber work.

But we didn't get that far.

Ok, now mods can close. :wink:

[kimona]

Nope. 16x7 +42mm with 205/50/16. PERFECT-ER. But then again (again) ((again))... not without knowing what you want.

Yup... 16x7, ET42-45, 205/50/16's will work very well with mild TRD drop.

[Captain Slow]

Cali: i basically want the same reliability as my stock setup in something that looks better. No big speakers and no super rough terrain. The extra grip just from the wider rubber will be a nice performance upgrade, also if i can find some wheels that are slightly lighter than my steelies that would be even better.

[enviri]

bronze konig heliums 16x7, about 3 lbs lighter!

[Captain Slow]

Hmm...i googled konig heliums and saw several reports of them failing (as in breaking apart while driving)

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

Hmm...i googled konig heliums and saw several reports of them failing (as in breaking apart while driving)


ones that aren't damaged, won't

those that break are due to driver error and a damaging incident
exerting forces well beyond beyond TUV and VIA testing ranges, not wheel problems

you really need to google better

[Captain Slow]

First google result is a post from this very website, just saying.

[cali yaris]

Following the logic. You want looks more than you want performance. 16" looks better. 16x7 will let you run a 205 tire. So you are going to buy 16x7 wheels with +40mm offset or better (meaning a higher number than that), and run a 205/50/16 tire.

With a mild to medium drop, that will work just fine. You will still have room to use a 10mm spacer in the back for perfect fitment, and -1 degree camber in front for improved handling with no loss in tire wear.

Unless you invest in coilovers, springs for a mild/medium drop are:

Eibach Prokits
Tanabe NF210
H&R (my favorite choice in this class)
TRD (if you like paying extra for red powdercoating)

[TRDMarty]

Captain Slow, just make it easy on yourself.
I have ALL the same TRD suspension goodies you listed.
I use the TRD 18'' wheels with 215/35 ZR 18 tires.
Load the car up with anything, people, crap in the back, whatever.
NOTHING touches. Why?? Toyota already figured all of the clearences that would be required. They already did the work for you.

[Captain Slow]

Wow, 18s and no rubbing?

Either way, too big for me. I dont want to go above 16, might even stay with 15s

[Captain Slow]

hey Cali, I don't see what you're saying about the TRD springs. I checked and the TRD springs are cheaper than anything else I can find save the Micro Image springs.

I did notice the Tanabe springs on your site though and since they're the same price as the TRD springs and produce even less of a drop I'll probably go with those. I'm not looking to go slammed, honestly I don't want to drop at all (not the best roads around here) but I also want the car to look better and any improvement in handling is always appreciated. if I lived in a place with wonderful roads I'd go super low and super stiff on suspension stuff, I love tight handling, but alas Louisiana roads are pretty poor.

So I'll probably be ordering some Tanabe's from you ;) Any suggestion of what shock/strut set to pair with those? keep in mind that I'm looking for the drop and the upgraded shocks for a mild performance increase without sacrificing too much ride quality. this is my DD after all.

[jpmck03]

... Any suggestion of what shock/strut set to pair with those? keep in mind that I'm looking for the drop and the upgraded shocks for a mild performance increase without sacrificing too much ride quality. this is my DD after all.

You could in theory keep your stock shocks.

Here's a quote from another thread (http://yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8568#post8568) (posts # 14 and 16) about using stock shocks with TRD springs which have about the same drop as the Tanabes that you are interested in:

... dealer claimed that his TRD lowering spring is "fully compatible" with the original shock absorber and will not damage it.

So, if you're going with Tanabes (Drop F/R: 1.0/1.1", link (http://shop.microimageonline.com/Tanabe-NF210-Lowering-Springs-Yaris-TNF210.htm)) that are almost identical to TRDs (1.2” in both front and rear, link (http://www.trdsparks.com/displayparts.php?Mdl_dtl=712&Part_cat=11&parts_id=1136)), you could keep the stock shocks on, as it's still going to be on your DD.

... I did notice the Tanabe springs on your site though and since they're the same price as the TRD springs and produce even less of a drop I'll probably go with those. ... So I'll probably be ordering some Tanabe's from you ;)

Cheapest TRDs I can find are $189.00, but you have to pay shipping, but the Tanabes you're interested in are $199.95, with free shipping, so good choice! :clap:

[Captain Slow]

yeah, the stock shocks should be able to handle a mild drop, it will likely decrease their lifespan somewhat...but that's not really an issue. then I could upgrade to TRD shocks.

Garm, what are your opinions on KYBs mated with the Tanabes? From my experience KYBs still provide a good ride yet provide a slight performance increase.

I've also done full Tokico setups on previous cars, but I'm not sure how much drop that would create. I do know I liked the ride of a full Tokico setup, firm and sporty but still comfortable.

[cali yaris]

KYB's are OEM replacements, but they might offer a small performance improvement. I have NOT ridden or driven a car with those installed, though.

Struts and shocks DO NOT affect ride height, only the springs do that!

SO -- you are fine with a mild drop and stock struts and shocks. Only downside is duplicating the work if you upgrade later.
If you want to upgrade now, nothing beats the Tokico Blues.

[Captain Slow]

yeah I know that springs are what affect ride height.

might just wait and do the full TRD package...or do some Tokico blues with the Tanabe springs. basically I want a little improvement in performance and some improvement in appearance without sacrificing any more reliability or ride comfort as possible.

I'm looking for sportier than factory but nothing crazy. I've been down the path of full suspensions, full motor-back custom exhausts, cams, CAIs, p&p and all of that stuff. too noisy and get tired of smelling like gasoline, hah. this car more than anything needs to be a reliable and comfortable daily driver, but also something I enjoy driving ;)

[cali yaris]

ok, I thought you meant by "Tokico set up" that you thought shocks affect ride height.

I gotcha now!

I've also done full Tokico setups on previous cars, but I'm not sure how much drop that would create.

[Captain Slow]

yeah, I was referring to the Tokico HP kits that come with springs and shocks. had them on a '90 Accord and it road better than my wife's '04 Sentra that was only like 2 years old at the time.

the more I think of it I may just go the full TRD route. I know there are equal/better options for less...but I'm obsessive compulsive and having parts made specifically for the car by Toyota will likely mean I'm more satisfied with the car as a whole.

it's kinda like the rally wing, I could save myself tons by getting the eBay replica....but then I'd know there is a big piece of chinese plastic on the back of my car when I could have had the proper part, lol.