Scion FR-S (FT86)

[PROX4x4]

What do you think? Who is thinking of switching their Yaris for one? :drool:

[Kioshi]

What do you think? Who is thinking of switching their Yaris for one? :drool:

The Subaru BRZ because they designed MOST of it. Less debadging for me to do.
And I like the LED trim in the headlights vs the Toyota 86 one.

What does it say on the sides, I cant make it out? 86? or FR-S

[marcus]

The Subaru BRZ because they designed MOST of it. Less debadging for me to do.
And I like the LED trim in the headlights vs the Toyota 86 one.

What does it say on the sides, I cant make it out? 86? or FR-S

just 86 on the side..

[silver_echo]

They took an EJ20 motor, turned the intake manifold 180 degrees, and moved the filter to the top. Just don't understand why the oil filter needed to be on top. I hate top mounted oil filters.

[TOUGEghost]

I was originally thinking about trading in my Yaris for one when it comes out. I really want to like it but the price and weight are getting a bit too high. I know it's not going to happen, but if the price was under $20K (like Toyota originally hinted it would be) and weight under 2500 I would be able to overlook the fact that it has a difficult to work on boxer motor and I would be all over it. With the price climbing over $25k there are other cars out there I would buy first. For now I want to wait and see how well it actually does once it's released and what kind of aftermarket support it receives. It has an awful lot of hype to live up to.

[ilikerice]

I was originally thinking about trading in my Yaris for one when it comes out. I really want to like it but the price and weight are getting a bit too high. I know it's not going to happen, but if the price was under $20K (like Toyota originally hinted it would be) and weight under 2500 I would be able to overlook the fact that it has a difficult to work on boxer motor and I would be all over it. With the price climbing over $25k there are other cars out there I would buy first. For now I want to wait and see how well it actually does once it's released and what kind of aftermarket support it receives. It has an awful lot of hype to live up to.

I agree 100%.. I will wait a year or 2 after its been out, see what kinda issues it gets and either buy new when its been 2 years, or buy used for under 20k. I want this car to be amazing. But time will tell

[thepartsmancometh]

They took an EJ20 motor, turned the intake manifold 180 degrees, and moved the filter to the top. Just don't understand why the oil filter needed to be on top. I hate top mounted oil filters.

Its not an EJ20. Its part of the new line of Subie motors (the F Series - I think this one is the FA20). I'll stick with my EJ255 lol

I too hate top mount oil filters! Ive changed a bunch of 4runners and tacomas like this. grrrrrrr.:mad:


I do like the forward facing manifold and air box location. cool idea.

In response to the original post, I wouldn't replace either of my cars with this, but would buy it as a toy if I was rich (I'm not :cry:) I need something to drive in 12 inches of snow, hence the WRX and the yaris is our commuter car.

[Yoda]

don't like the interior. looks too plain. It looks like something from 2004 IMO.

[cali yaris]

I hate top mounted oil filters.

Interesting reason not to get one.

Micro Image can haz?

[detroiter]

The Subaru version is going to start at $24,000...so the Scion NEEDS to start a a much lower price, considering the Scion version is being stripped of a lot of things the Subaru is getting such as foglights, etc.

[why?]

The Subaru version though is going to handle like a 4wd tank without being a 4wd tank. I don't know why they made the handling so vastly different.

[silver_echo]

Not at first, but the rumor from Subaru is that it will eventually be Awd.

[CB900F2]

How would the handling be difference between the Scion and the Subaru versions?


The Subaru version though is going to handle like a 4wd tank without being a 4wd tank. I don't know why they made the handling so vastly different.

[mr_miles]

i can has yes? I wouldn't trade my yaris for that, though. My miata and RX7? Take both! I am fond of top mount oil filters, actually. when you do an oil change, just remember to let it sit overnight and it's typically drained! (at least it was on the rx7....)

[silver_echo]

Except the oil drains better from the block when it is warm/hot.

[ilikerice]

Except the oil drains better from the block when it is warm/hot.

yea, but after its been sitting over night, isnt all of it pretty much drained to the oil pan. just jack the car so the drain plug is at the lowest point.

either way, I dont think it really matters weather its been sitting over night or not, you are not going to get every drop of old oil out.

I agree though, I like top mount oil filters. I use a can cap to catch oil from the filter housing and then brake cleaner to clean the rest up. easy to get to and can be done with out making a huge mess.

[mr_miles]

i made the mistake of attempting to change the oil on my rx7 15 minutes or so after running the car, the filter was still full, lol. Oil everywhere. ever since then i would let the car sit overnight before doing an oil change. i guess somewhere in my head i thought "oh it's upside down, oil should drain out of that really fast!"








WRONG.

[Yaristeve]

I too hate top mount oil filters! Ive changed a bunch of 4runners and tacomas like this. grrrrrrr.:mad:


From the picture, it looks like Subaru thought about (and solved) the problem; the filter looks like it is mounted inside a cup shaped mount so the oil in the can will be caught and drain into the engine.

Like ilikerice, I plan to buy a new one after a couple of model years pass so t that Toyota can work out any bugs and hopefully, all the inevitable dealer gouging will be over.

[thepartsmancometh]

toyota does that as well with the truck motors. Its still sorta crappy. Most techs use an empty one quart oil bottle under the "cup" which has a spigot to let the oil flow into the container.

a half full quart bottle in the cooling fan makes an interesting noise/mess when you forget you left it under the spout! lol

[silver_echo]

toyota does that as well with the truck motors. Its still sorta crappy. Most techs use an empty one quart oil bottle under the "cup" which has a spigot to let the oil flow into the container.

a half full quart bottle in the cooling fan makes an interesting noise/mess when you forget you left it under the spout! lol

off topic, but I can see that now. Sounds like I need a picture.

[wildcard]

Hmm... didn't know there was going to be a scion version as well.

So whats the difference between the Yota, Scion and Subi versions ? I really don't care about trim and options, just want the engine and driveline at the lowest possible price point.

[03Z33]

Hmm... didn't know there was going to be a scion version as well.

So whats the difference between the Yota, Scion and Subi versions ? I really don't care about trim and options, just want the engine and driveline at the lowest possible price point.

USA is only getting the Scion FRS and the Subaru BRZ. The Scion will the the lower cost more basic of the two.

Japan gets Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ

Europe gets Toyota GT-86 and Subaru BRZ

I hate that it's badged as a Scion, but not enough to not buy one. Plastic badges can always be removed :smoking:

[why?]

How would the handling be difference between the Scion and the Subaru versions?

Because they choose to make it different. Scion is choosing to make the handling very sporty, from what the journalists have said it is almost set to permanent oversteer.

Subaru choose to set the steering to normal passenger sedan understeer safe. Probably for the same reason most sedans drive like pigs.

Hmm... didn't know there was going to be a scion version as well.

So whats the difference between the Yota, Scion and Subi versions ? I really don't care about trim and options, just want the engine and driveline at the lowest possible price point.

It seems like the Scion is going to be as cheap as possible, they seem to be removing all possible costs vs the Subie which seems to have everything. At least according to early reports.

[cali yaris]

I hate that it's badged as a Scion, but not enough to not buy one.

It's ok. I have some Netz badges for it. :laugh:

[wildcard]

I see. Personally i don't care what its badged as, i must haz.

[ilikerice]

off topic, but I can see that now. Sounds like I need a picture.

bam: tacoma v6 oil filter between battery and valve cover

[silver_echo]

Was talking about the mess made by a half full oil bottle.

[Kioshi]

Best up-to-date impression of the Toyota 86...interior shot, gauge cluster, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff3E7AF6KYQ&feature=player_embedded#!

Unfortunately it is in Japanese and really long.....
And I only watched 3 mins of it, I'll see if I can translate a portion of it later today for you guys.

[CB900F2]

Hi WHy.. I did relize the FR-S was going to be branded(built) that different between brands..

Thanks for the feedback!


Because they choose to make it different. Scion is choosing to make the handling very sporty, from what the journalists have said it is almost set to permanent oversteer.

Subaru choose to set the steering to normal passenger sedan understeer safe. Probably for the same reason most sedans drive like pigs.



It seems like the Scion is going to be as cheap as possible, they seem to be removing all possible costs vs the Subie which seems to have everything. At least according to early reports.

[ilikerice]

AND THE VIDEO'S HAVE ARRIVED.. lol..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNF9GcZfueE&feature=related

[Kioshi]

least its in english compared tp what i posted few weeks back.

i still hate how the fr-s is stripped down compared to what the toyota 86 is....
And to get that style/package, you need to purchase a BRZ.

[*MAD DOG*]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=romf-G6CZ7g