Turbo Tips and Engine Quips?

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

THE TIME HAS COME!(dramatic music) to build my HATCH!
Alright so Ebay has a t25/t28 for originally for the Scion XB but i did a little digging and it works on a 1.5L 1NZFE Engine so it should fit my 07 yaris hatch??
just double checking here? OK now if it fits im going to only set the thing to about 7 or 8 PSI. Now can my stock engine handle this beast? ive searched high
and low and the best i can get is numbers on HP.:iono:
ALSO besides haveing to edward sissor hands my bumper am i going to need to do anything else to accomidate the kit?

Next Im thnking exhaust give the girl some breathing room any ideas on size? im thinking a 2.5-3 in?
IF all gos well and shes dynoed and tuned, and a short shifter theres not much more to do to the engine....or is there?

[cali yaris]

With all due respect, you haven't searched enough. All of the answers are readily available on this forum alone.

so Ebay has a t25/t28 for originally for the Scion XB but i did a little digging and it works on a 1.5L 1NZFE

Your description is inadequate to answer the question. Are you talking about the turbocharger, the manifold, or what? Where are the pictures? What brand?

im going to only set the thing to about 7 or 8 PSI. Now can my stock engine handle this beast?

Yes, up to about 10 psi, we think. So you're going to have a 7-8 psi spring in your wastegate? Internal or external? Boost controller or no?

ALSO besides haveing to edward sissor hands my bumper

Why would you need to do that? The turbo is in the back. :iono:

t Im thnking exhaust

2.25" up to 8 psi, then 2.5" 9-12psi, 3" over 300 whp (15 psi or more). Just my opinion there.

dynoed and tuned, and a short shifter theres not much more to do to the engine....or is there?

please tell me this is not a serious question. :rolleyes:

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

sometimes it seems

that some posts are made by the same person who wrote the lyrics for this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fru-PmE5uOA&feature=related

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

I wont lie my man i have noo idea what im doing.. ebay number is 27074234395 so you can take a look? And by chopping the bumber i ment for the intercooler? And your right i havent done enough research im just looking for a knowledgeable yaris god like your self to help me out here... and it was a serious question unfortunately.. i apologize for my noobness

[cali yaris]

no mods to the bumper should be necessary. Other questions I answered (I think I got them all).

[cali yaris]

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[Focus_Sh1ft]

^lol. Discrete, yet effective.

Seriously OP. Do some digging and learn as much as you can. Also drop the idea of a custom kit if you don't know what you're doing. This is why we have the Zage kit.

[fnkngrv]

suspect

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

Im just lookin for a list of how to make my lil car get up and go how would you build a 06 hatch? If you could ? and i know what im doin install wise is just up till recently i was a old muscle car guy i lived in the 454 duel holly carborators world i didnt even know what jdm was... i just need ya to lay out what i need for the best price zage sounds nice but if i can avoid breaking my bank i going to. Laugh all u want say what you gotta say im a 18 year old makeing a lil under 1000 a month i need help, i need advice, and i need awsners asap. And yes you did cali and i appreciated all of it.

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

if you want bolt-on power, get a blitz compressor and be done with it

if you go turbo, and you want a daily driver, you are talking about serious engine
science to tune it properly and avoid detonation problems, and a trip to the dyno with
someone who knows how to tune the 1nz


all the info is already posted on yarisworld. read the info, buy the parts, strap it on, and
tune the build. no one just 'jumps into' turbocharging a yaris unless they research the hell
out of it, or hand the car over with a pile of cash to someone who can do the whole job.

seriously, there are many ways to screw it up which are fixable, but waste a crapload of time

don't forget you should also install stronger clutch, limited slip differential, and stronger cv joints,
bigger brakes for the added power... or the stock parts might not last very long

[cali yaris]

don't forget you should also install stronger clutch, limited slip differential, and stronger cv joints,
bigger brakes for the added power... or the stock parts might not last very long

You don't need any of that for a Blitz kit, or all the bolt-ons, or with a low-boost Zage and no add-ons. (except you should save for the clutch you'll need next year).

Let's do it this way. Please fill in the blank in the following sentence:

"I have $_____ to make my Yaris go faster. What can I do with that budget?"

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

6000 with a 1000 a month

[ilikerice]

Dont forget some form of Engine management.. hope you like WIRES!

[cali yaris]

here are some rough numbers without looking up my actual prices, so let's not stress it's just a general budget picture:

Zage kit: $1650 shipped
water line/fittings: $40
oil pressure gauge/boost gauge/pods: $320
do your own wiring: $?
AEM FIC: $379
Lite Pulley: $130
2.25" turbo-back exhaust system: $400

Suspension, brakes, lightweight wheels, tires, small accessories: $800-5000.

Driving Enjoyment Increase: Priceless.

There you go.

[KCALB SIRAY]

Im just lookin for a list of how to make my lil car get up and go how would you build a 06 hatch? If you could ? and i know what im doin install wise is just up till recently i was a old muscle car guy i lived in the 454 duel holly carborators world i didnt even know what jdm was... i just need ya to lay out what i need for the best price zage sounds nice but if i can avoid breaking my bank i going to. Laugh all u want say what you gotta say im a 18 year old makeing a lil under 1000 a month i need help, i need advice, and i need awsners asap. And yes you did cali and i appreciated all of it.

6000 with a 1000 a month

What's the hurry again? :confused: Save the money, do your homework and then you will have a better understanding of what you want, the SAME as you did with a 454. 750 Holly Double Pump vs 650 single, same thing applies here. An engine is an engine to begin with, but how it runs is always different.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

if you go turbo, and you want a daily driver, you are talking about serious engine
science to tune it properly and avoid detonation problems, and a trip to the dyno with
someone who knows how to tune the 1nz

It's not a "serious engine tune" that's needed for such a small turbo and low boost. All that really needs to be done is the AFRs and it isn't that difficult to learn if you're willing. Even if you take it to a tuner it should only be a couple hundred to get the AFRs dialed in.

don't forget you should also install stronger clutch, limited slip differential, and stronger cv joints,
bigger brakes for the added power... or the stock parts might not last very long

Most of that is overkill. The only thing you'll need is a stronger clutch and that won't even be necessary right away. Sorry A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby, not trying to call you out but I definitely disagree.

Management for zage kit - either FIC or camcon.

Otherwise like I said before - just read read read. That's what I did. I came from knowing absolutely nothing, did some research and asked some questions, then about six months later successfully turboed my Yaris.

Also - don't be one of those people that make all these huge unobtainable plans for your car - especially on a limited income. I see so many people do this then NOTHING gets done. It's great to dream but it's even better to see it become reality.

[cali yaris]

That's what I did. I came from knowing absolutely nothing, did some research and asked some questions, then about six months later successfully turboed my Yaris.

Exceptional. Took me four years. :frown:

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

OK soo i just spent every wakeing min reading damn near everything about turbo kits on this website especially The Pimp my yaris one:bow: and a pack of cigs later and a full page of notes i have come out of this enlightend( sorry it took so long between the Girl,Work,and Sleep not much time to research)... it seems i might have jumped the gun at the start but im back on track now. AND TO ALL READING THIS SHAKEING YOUR HEADS.. my bad guys.:iono: ALRIGHTTY THEN REDEMPTION TIME!:bellyroll: Sorry Garm goin the ebay route i got a full kit for under 800$ GOODBYE PAYCHECK 1!
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee26/kungfumasta1234/untitled2.jpg
comes with a cast manifold that dosent block AC or Power steering.
http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee26/kungfumasta1234/untitled.jpg

SPECS
T25/T28 Turbocharger
Internal wastegate
Oil and water cooled

Compressor Specs:
Inlet: 1.70 inch
Inducer: 42.87mm
Major: 60mm
Compressor: .80AR
Compressor Housing: M24/ T2
Turbine Specs:
Exducer: 1.850"
Turbine: .86AR
Major: 53.10mm
Minor: 46.25mm
Exhaust outlet flange with 5 bolt design
Internal wastegate set around 7 PSI
(lets hope My spring is actually 7).. damn ebay

Now After this Is AEM FIC and i am still debateing running a stand alone or a PnP im leaning more to the PnP with less work but more $$.New injectors and pump are apparently a MUST so im either going to have to buy new or going junking or ebaying to find used. (2 weeks later) GOODBYE PAYCHECK 2!

Then just figure out piping intercooler to throttle body.A buddy of mine works at a nice lil tuner shop in town that can hook me up with a downpipe custom exhaust, and dice and build a intake (4 Weeks Later) GOODBYE PAYCHECK 3 and maybe 4.

Now would be time to try and solve heat problems with wrap,blankets, heat Sheild and paint treatment. Also thought maybe a new hood with air flow would help

Its also been said Oil line placement is critical SO read that for a few hours and even popped under my car for a good look and were to place. Not to mention inspection of the restrictor on arrival as to try to avoid pimps problem.

Also run my clutch till she gives but order a stage 3 ASAP
She already had a minor facelift with 17 in rims, Led Tails, and Halo Fronts, on 2 in lowering springs and tint. Shes already blacked out but now she will look mean and run mean:cool::burnrubber:

After all is said and done and accounting for hicups i figure ill be in or below the 2 g range
Which means saveing for a complete engine rebuild for when i need to replace clutch. Shouldent be any harder then rebuilding my 79 Bmws engine and that boys and girls was a bitch if i ever met one... REDEMPTION:drinking:??? i think yess but i amy be wrong... Guys?

[cali yaris]

I think you're on the right track. And big props to you for taking the heat, coming back with a plan, and not getting all hissy about it.

1. NO need for a pump at 7psi.
2. Might not need injectors, but they are good to have on hand. $100 used for a set of 'rolla ones.
3. And yeah, no downpipe in that kit. You'll have to make one.
4. exhaust manifold gasket, don't re-use
5. blowoff valve could be crap -- tread carefully.
6. turbo... well, you take your chances there - might last a good long while, might fail soon. Be prepared.
7. " solve heat problems with wrap,blankets, heat Sheild and paint treatment. Also thought maybe a new hood with air flow would help" - YES

I hope Micro Image gets to sell you something along the way, but regardless, do it right and enjoy your project! :clap:

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

Talked to a couple tuner buddys that have integs and a 240 and their questioning my need for a fic? when apparently according to them i can get a stand alone ecu and get 2 maps one for raceing and one economy at the tuner garage and get a full tune and completely forget the aem fic? Ur thoughts? Oh and garm did a lil peeking on the website might order some things after all.

[cali yaris]

Ability to switch maps is awesome, that's how I do it. 14 psi and 24 psi = "economy and racing". LOL

meanwhile.... which standalone are they recommending exactly?

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

They didnt actually say he said he would look around. Do you got any recommendations? ? And id i do go this route fic isnt needed?

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Standalone - minimum 2k for the unit, 1k+ for the harness and labor, 1k+ for tuning.

Piggyback - $320 + $400ish for tuning.

Obviously a standalone would be better, but they're in two completely different price leagues. For low boost and a stock engine you only need a piggyback.

Also - I hope you're really good buds with those guys at the shop. You're probably going to be spending a decent amount of cash on fabrication. Getting the piping right and making a downpipe are costs you have to consider.

Oh and one last thing: do yourself a favor and don't go larger than a stage 2 clutch. Even with a turbo, that clutch will still be overkill on a Yaris. Having a heavy clutch can really suck big if you drive in any traffic whatsoever.

[mazilla]

Oh and one last thing: do yourself a favor and don't go larger than a stage 2 clutch. Even with a turbo, that clutch will still be overkill on a Yaris. Having a heavy clutch can really suck big if you drive in any traffic whatsoever.


The Clutchmaster stage three kevlar is a breeze, the pedal is soft and engages pretty high up. Some days I around 6 hours in bumper to bumper Los Angeles traffic...no problem with fatigue.

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

Lol im staying out of this one fellas. What piggyback would u suggest?

[cali yaris]

And id i do go this route fic isnt needed?

This is correct, you only need one management unit controlling the motor.

I think you need to ask more questions at the shop, I can't help much more without that.

1. Which management do they like to tune with? (*critical!)
2. How will the wiring be done?
3. What is the management going to control, exactly (just fuel, fuel/timing, or more)?

At 7psi you don't need a lot of features a standalone will offer, so I am suspicious of someone recommending it just for the two maps. Just saying, until I know better.

[EPyarisdriver]

Im just lookin for a list of how to make my lil car get up and go how would you build a 06 hatch? If you could ? and i know what im doin install wise is just up till recently i was a old muscle car guy i lived in the 454 duel holly carborators world i didnt even know what jdm was... i just need ya to lay out what i need for the best price zage sounds nice but if i can avoid breaking my bank i going to. Laugh all u want say what you gotta say im a 18 year old makeing a lil under 1000 a month i need help, i need advice, and i need awsners asap. And yes you did cali and i appreciated all of it.

Dude Im 18 too. Personally I would go with the Zage kit from MI (which im planning on doing) because Ive seen a lot of ebay kits go but at the same time I have seen them also work out. Im glad your listening to Garm and I give you props on trying that kit. I wanna see how this works out so remember keep us updated and good luck :thumbup:

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

I figure if my turbo gos out i can always get just the zage turbo its self and run that. GARM! that raceing ECU IN THE STORE!... OH SWEET BABY JESUS i want that thing... till i saw the price and my heart sank! My buddys didnt know what they were talking about and said i could get a cheap standalone for 400 and then just splice it all to hell until it worked... yeah not going that route. ill skip the standalone until i decided i want to rebuild her. SO ebay fic..((sorry buddy theirs was only 340 but...)+ M.I. BOOMSLANG = happy yaris. So on pimps custom build i saw he mentioned haveing a greddy emanage as well as an fic tho it was never really talked about. AM i going to need a e manage as well? and how dose that effect the boomslang? LOL step one turbo completed, step 2 electronics (in progress)...

[cali yaris]

People must not read my sig file. "We Price Match!" -- even against eBay and even when the sellers cheat and sell under MAP.
I can't ALWAYS do it, but I like the chance to try. /rant

back to the question...

engine > ECU > PnP harness > aftermarket management (FI/C or eManage or CamCon)
You can only have ONE of the last thing. Understand?

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

Yes thank you! and i just figured store to store price match. if u want to match it ill pm you the link, and u tell me.

[cali yaris]

Yes please.

[malibuguy]

Why do i see this not ending well

[cali yaris]

Either way, it's ending with an FIC that came from us! :biggrin: :bow: :wink:

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

Hahahaha relax Malibu! Whats the worst that could happen? Btw garm im recently come into more hours at work so forget the custom. Zage it is! Boomslang Too!

[cali yaris]

Woot!

[GnarGnar-YarYar]

OK BOYS TURBO CAME TODAY! sorry garmy push came to shove i went ebay but ur aem and boomslang are my fav peices if it helps haha the new grill being the crown jewel.tried to put my lowering springs in and god damn thats a bitch. I couldent even finish them it started raining when i realized id have to take the vent system off afterbreaking 3 alan wrenches and jerry rigging a system to get top nut off. Have to.look in the diy section more. But i i figure when i rip the front end off and get my hands dirty on the turbo ill take care of it then. But i got everything and ill take pics and well start an installation convo!

[jesh462]

Hmm this thread dropped off. I wonder if he ever got it working?

[tooter]

I think Malibu nailed it...

Why do i see this not ending well

[cali yaris]

It hasn't ended yet! :laugh:

[tooter]

Hey Garm... :smile:

...so what happened?