Wow! Is it time to start using Bing ?!

[tomato]

Wow!!! We were so busy complaining about Facebook that we didn't see that one coming from Google. :frown: :frown:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/faq-googles-new-privacy-policy/2012/01/24/gIQArw8GOQ_story.html

or did you?

What do you all think? Gonna close your accounts?

[fnkngrv]

I have a dozen google accounts. I can't just go and close them unfortunately. I guess it is what it is. I have been flip-floppin on even keeping my G+ account as it just seems to be blah.

[tk-421]

Yikes. I guess we'll all have to remember to sign out of all Google related services before using them from now on...

And to think I was actually toying with the idea of getting an Android device this year. :thumbdown:

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

it doesn't matter who you use or how you use the internet.

if you do not want information and details about yourself stored forever in
limitless databases, then just don't put any information whatsoever on the internet.

there is no protection other than financial data such as credit card transactions or bank transactions.

[Kioshi]

Google CAN log calls, etc...but will it? No...unless it wants to end up like Carrier IQ which is now eliminated from Sprints network and other phone providers who used them in their phones. Carrier IQ kept track of what you did, when you did it, etc.....

Whether you turn off capturing search results, never logged into Google+, etc.....chances are......Google still has the tools to find you.

Only thing you can do is...rebel against them.

I will not switch to Bing, leave Android cell phones, etc. Google already mentioned they had cool ideas for the future and this method will help them deliver it smoothly to consumers.

Using the Android phone the first time, i accidentally synced contacts and calendar. But since 6 months after, i dont sync anything and the fact that Google cant sync my calendar events from the past and a few foreign friend names, just tells me I might be lucky..lol

[tk-421]

if you do not want information and details about yourself stored forever in
limitless databases, then just don't put any information whatsoever on the internet.

Either that or use tools that don't track you in the first place (DuckDuckGo (http://duckduckgo.com) comes to mind).

But yeah, I agree that it was bound to happen at some point.

[thepartsmancometh]

http://scm-l3.technorati.com/11/04/20/32053/skynet.jpg?t=20110420200649

[Altitude]

Who uses Google services anyway? Sure, I have a gmail account, but that's only because it was necessary (isn't it?) to use Android Market.

Maybe I shouldn't be commenting, but I just don't see why people need all these 'services' in the first place.

[tomato]

Who uses Google services anyway? Sure, I have a gmail account, but that's only because it was necessary (isn't it?) to use Android Market.

Maybe I shouldn't be commenting, but I just don't see why people need all these 'services' in the first place.

Because they're cool. They're convenient. They store in the cloud which is very attractive to people who have computers in several different locations, people who travel, or to people who have older equipment (like I used to and lost their HD once or twice ;) And they're a breeze to use (compared to MS products, for instance) although, granted, maybe not as user friendly as Apple's stuff.

Google Docs, Google calendar, GMAIL (simply the best spam control out there IMO), blog platforms, etc., etc. I know they had me at GMAIL. I've used a couple of GMAIL accounts for ** years.** and there is no going back.

To be completely honest with you, if the AT&T network in SF didn't suck as much as it does, I probably would have gotten an iPhone a long time ago (calm down, Pavel! lol ;) and maybe we wouldn't be having this conversation. But I still would have a GMAIL account and a host of other Google apps.
Now, with an android device I also use Navigation, Latitude, and a few other apps, which I guess I could do without but Navigation absolutely rules and without it I'd be lost.

[Shroomster]

is everyone really so scared? You have one life to live. Are you going to spend it worrying that someone is going to take your 'digital fingerprint' life or are you going to just continue living the way you have been. Really so what if some company compiles your information on where you are or what you are doing. Are you a celebrity? are you worried someone is stalking you?

I use credit cards.
I pay bills online.
I give out my email.
I give out my home address.

DO you really think you have control of any of your information?
when you were signed up for grade school your parents/guardians supplied all your information to the school. Really think that is safe?

The place you were born in? the hospital? the city where you're public records are? all someone needs to do is go and request it.

You go to the doctor. you can give them vital information or opt out of doing so.

you get a license for ANYTHING that requires a license. they need vital information.

check out this site:

SPOKEO.com (http://www.SPOKEO.com)

You might be surprised what info is out there for yourself. googling yourself only does so much

They're called technology and evolution for the right reasons....

/RANT

[tomato]

.....

there is no protection other than financial data such as credit card transactions or bank transactions.

other than financial data?!!

Oh, but you're wrong. Just because they are behind a firewall doesn't mean people don't have access to them. Maybe not you and I but they do get hacked.

People's health records are constantly getting hacked, with their SS# and DOB, as well. :(

So it does happen.

[tomato]

DO you really think you have control of any of your information?
.

/RANT

No. and I imagine I'm not gonna close my account(s) either. I understand that my information is fair game, sort of, since I'm using their services, and especially gmail, for so long, so they know just about all there is to know about me, but I'd like to be asked first.

To tell me that I can't opt out, it is what it is and if you don't like it, close your account (s) , just rubs me the wrong way.


Am I the only one feeling that way?

[Shroomster]

No. and I imagine I'm not gonna close my account(s) either. I understand that my information is fair game, sort of, since I'm using their services, and especially gmail, for so long, so they know just about all there is to know about me, but I'd like to be asked first.

To tell me that I can't opt out, it is what it is and if you don't like it, close your account (s) , just rubs me the wrong way.


Am I the only one feeling that way?

I totally agree, but it's damned if you do damned if you don't.

[SilverBack]

I only "use" Google to log-in to YouTube because I suppose got no other choice it seems, and even then I'm still monitoring it like flies on dry dogshit, like everything else in my life. So far so good.

Hope the rest of you got your bases covered too. Take care.

[fnkngrv]

I am really thinking now that when I fire up my domain I will adjust my email to it and see how that goes. Really other than search (which I don't sign in for anyway) I only use google for navigation and account sync for the market.

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

is everyone really so scared? You have one life to live. Are you going to spend it worrying that someone is going to take your 'digital fingerprint' life or are you going to just continue living the way you have been. Really so what if some company compiles your information on where you are or what you are doing. Are you a celebrity? are you worried someone is stalking you?

I use credit cards.
I pay bills online.
I give out my email.
I give out my home address.

DO you really think you have control of any of your information?
when you were signed up for grade school your parents/guardians supplied all your information to the school. Really think that is safe?

The place you were born in? the hospital? the city where you're public records are? all someone needs to do is go and request it.

You go to the doctor. you can give them vital information or opt out of doing so.

you get a license for ANYTHING that requires a license. they need vital information.

check out this site:

SPOKEO.com (http://www.SPOKEO.com)

You might be surprised what info is out there for yourself. googling yourself only does so much

They're called technology and evolution for the right reasons....

/RANT

spokeo cannot find me and never will be able to

[JumpmanYaris]

spokeo cannot find me and never will be able to

Why are you so naive sir

[33OH]

I for one will be switching from Gmail/Google. Already sent them an email telling them I am concerned and will switch if nothing changes to the privacy policy they're trying to impose. I've been using Gmail for many years so it will be a painful migration, but I value my privacy and the fact that I can't "turn it off" is threatening to me.

[33OH]

Also turned me off, their response to my question:

"Please note that we will only be able to provide you with a response if we determine your request constitutes an actionable privacy inquiry."

[A-Dingo-Ate-My-Baby]

Why are you so naive sir


if you knew exactly what I do, and where I do it, you would know how
I can be sure of this.



my day job is all about security, cryptography, encryption, protecting assets, access control, protecting intellectual property, solving problems along these lines. and no I am not in a mom-and-pop laptop repair business. My company makes 40 billion a year. I just know how to make sure my information, when sought out by anyone other than my bank or my credit card companies, will always turn up incorrect. always.

at my level it is always 'us vs them'. 'Us' being a big company, defense contractor, or govt entity somewhere. 'Them' is usually
a nation-state with many thousands of hackers trying to perform some type of cybercrime. we have experts embedded in MIT and other universities with the brightest minds constantly trying to stay ahead. an no I am not so big personally that I
am not expendable, I work with a team of 22 people directly, 103 people internationally, and backed by over 2300 engineers and developers. cyber security is serious business and I am lucky to be in the middle of it all

the only way to find me for sure is: locate the 3 towns I own property in, and go to the
town office and dig up public records. you will not be able to do it online from anywhere.

[33OH]

KCALB? Challenge accepted. Haha. (Kind of an inside joke, KCALB works for the FBI or something like that.) :biggrin:

[matthewai]

ahha really ? thats cool

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lltzgnHi5F1qzib3wo1_400.jpg

[tomato]

??? What did I miss?!!!

[Yury]

Can't say I am worried too much about all this...maybe I misunderstand something, but as someone above mentioned, what are these services I am supposed to be so entangled in. Yeah, gmail, that I can easily let go of (switched to it only recently) and a few scribbles on google docs. But then, I don't even have a facebook account, so maybe I am somehow different from many people.

However Google has been giving me this eery feeling for some time now. I mean, I understand that say Microsoft, Apple are big evil corporations, but I do understand why they are that way, for money obviously. They want to sell me expensive things. What Google wants from me so badly so they give me Android/Crome/Gmail/Maps/StreetView etc for free I am not quite sure and that makes me distrust them more. I can't recall seeing a single google ad in months. So what do they want from me again?

I just want simplicity and clarity, had about enough manipulation at this point from pretty much every commercial entity I come in contact with.

/rant

[JumpmanYaris]

yes yes we know oh great 127.0.0.1, you work at EMC:bow: .... and guess what you were banned from this forum permanently for your arrogance and belittling the other members. Thanks for confirming my suspicions bye bye

Lmao yeah he needed that retirement from the forum since the other long vacation he had didn't make him any better.

Man that was one cocky arrogant sum of b.

EDIT: thank you brah hehehe

[33OH]

I remember last year when Google was busted for collecting kids' social security numbers for their Google Doodle contest. Wonder what they ever did with those?

Oh, and I made the switch yesterday. My gmail account is no more, I deleted Google+, and have started to use the Bing search engine for now.

[fnkngrv]

Well it appears use suspicious types have made an impact possible or else they honestly weren't changing things that much and failed to mention it:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/31/google-clarifies-what-isnt-changing-with-new-privacy-policy/

[fnkngrv]

if you knew exactly what I do, and where I do it, you would know how
I can be sure of this.



my day job is all about security, cryptography, encryption, protecting assets, access control, protecting intellectual property, solving problems along these lines. and no I am not in a mom-and-pop laptop repair business. My company makes 40 billion a year. I just know how to make sure my information, when sought out by anyone other than my bank or my credit card companies, will always turn up incorrect. always.

at my level it is always 'us vs them'. 'Us' being a big company, defense contractor, or govt entity somewhere. 'Them' is usually
a nation-state with many thousands of hackers trying to perform some type of cybercrime. we have experts embedded in MIT and other universities with the brightest minds constantly trying to stay ahead. an no I am not so big personally that I
am not expendable, I work with a team of 22 people directly, 103 people internationally, and backed by over 2300 engineers and developers. cyber security is serious business and I am lucky to be in the middle of it all

the only way to find me for sure is: locate the 3 towns I own property in, and go to the
town office and dig up public records. you will not be able to do it online from anywhere.

sounds like fellow CISSP stuff to me :wink:

[33OH]

Well it appears use suspicious types have made an impact possible or else they honestly weren't changing things that much and failed to mention it:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/31/google-clarifies-what-isnt-changing-with-new-privacy-policy/

Wow, love the biased article from engadget. I guess it makes sense since they make their revenue off of Google Ads though.

[fnkngrv]

Wow, love the biased article from engadget. I guess it makes sense since they make their revenue off of Google Ads though.


I have found several news articles online today about it now. Not sure though if they are from the same publishers (ZDNet for example, etc) or not. I just feel that as always unless people makes their voices heard things will always slip through the cracks.

[why?]

i just don't get people who think this is a new thing. Google has been saving copies of the entire internet on a daily basis. They buy server farms by the acre. They already know everything about you, they already scan everything into their databases, even though it violates pretty much every law ever created.

There is no such thing as privacy any more. Everything you've ever done on the internet or with any internet capable phone is saved somewhere and cross referenced. A PI with just one of your e-mail addresses and a sub to certain database sites can find everything about you, every phone number you've ever had, every address you've ever lived at, every place you've ever used a credit card at, etc, etc etc. If you don't want everyone in the entire world to know you've done something the only thing you can do in this day and age is to not do it.

Oh, and guess what? Microsoft does the same thing with Bing, Apple does the same thing, as does every other company out there. They then sell all this data and earn money from it, use it to target ads at you, etc.

Privacy is dead.

[Spidermandud]

Well hell man; just look at all the info you can find out about people just on yarisworld. The real question is; there's 7 billion people in the world.. who would WANT to know about me? It is irritating that people make money off of my information; but I don't see it stopping anytime soon so there's not a huge reason to be angry about it. Protect yourself as best you can; don't go giving your information away; but other than that. .. being mad about it is like being mad at someone at work who took your parking spot; even when you don't have assigned parking spots.

Right?