fiat abarth or supercharge the yaris ?!?!?!?

[vten]

Im really torn between the 2. I had the regular 500 for 3 months and traded it in with a bigger car in order to keep the wife happy n safe. ... loved the car, no problem whatsoever with that and now the abarth is coming out but with the $25K price tags .... not really worry about the price...Im just itching for a new car.

the Yaris on the other hand, pretty much souped up. has about 26K miles on it, has the tanabe coilover, UR 23mm rear sway bar, 18" trd rims with brand new sets bf goodrich all season tires, rear disc conversion, bigger front disk upgrade, weapon R header, nitto midpipe and exhaust , Real Red Recaro seats , HID's on both headlights n fogs....N I have a set of stereos Plus the Blitz supercharger waiting to be install ...

I drive the car pretty much everyday....and I have 2 other supercharged cars ....

what do you guys think ....

[MUSKOKA800]

Only you can really know what will make you happy.
But...if you decide to part out the Yaris I'd be interested in the UR bar and both front and rear brake upgrades.

[vten]

sure do sir :D

how do you like the s/c addition with the 18" ? my setup would be similar as yours ...

[why?]

if you already have the s/c might as well install it and get it tuned and see how you like it. If you don't have it yet i'd suggest a turbo, in general you can get more power from them.

[detroiter]

$25,000 for an abarth 500? I hate to say it but do you know how many other cars you could buy from the same price that would STOMP that Fiat? I know it's more than just performance numbers when it comes to buying a car but I couldn't see anyone paying more than $21 or $22,000 for that car. It's like the Mini Cooper works cars...you must have money to blow or just plain not thinking to spend $35,000+ on penalty box like that.

Now I know the JCW can kick some major grass on the corners and it's pretty quick too, but I could go buy a Subaru STI for the same price and kick the hell out of it in every aspect.

[tk-421]

Agree with the above comments... I love the Fiat 500 (especially the Abarth) but it is way overpriced.
I think you will have more fun overall with the SC on the Yaris. Then again, if money is no object... It's always nice getting a brand new car... :smile:

[5h4wyhstrsdf]

vten, as long as you're itching to blow a lot of money on a sub-car with shitty performance, why not get a Smart ForTwo and call it a day?

Or, you could spend a lot less money and get a true small performance car like an RSX-S or Miata. Or if you have all that money to blow, get a freakin Lotus Elise.

[vten]

I appreciate all the inputs ... Thats why I need u guys to help me to decide ...

Keep them comin
Thanks

[Chocobo87]

If have money to blow, get a Nissan GTR and call it a day. It is pretty ridiculous when it comes to acceleration in that thing...

[vten]

Haha play nice guys ... I'm just asking for a friendly advice between those 2 cars .. Even though I'm planning for those Italian in the future ...not near , but eventually :)

[BluYrs]

"Built not bought" so I'd go for charging the Yaris. Makes for a more custom and possibly more reliable ride.

[YAR1S]

mmmmm lotus.

[malibuguy]

No question...stay toyota. I wish i got into toyotas sooner in my life...would have saved a bunch of money...especially in gas in the long run.

Ill never own anything else for something i especially want to rely on.

[Kioshi]

supercharge the Yaris sir :)

Speaking from far away, I say "IF" you were to have a hand full of cash that would sum up to $25,000.....then you could lay down that money on the Scion FR-S. <-- fun package + reliability ;)

[thebarber]

supercharge the yaris and ditch the boat anchor trd 18's

you won't regret it

i dyno'd 135whp/130wtq with my setup (155bhp and 150btq) and loved every second of it

in my opinion, a modified car has a TON more personality than a factory-spec car

[thebarber]

wait till the Fiat (Fix It Again Tony) starts crapping out. it wont be cheap to fix. I do like the Abarth version....but it is overpriced

take your civic in for its recall yet?

[scene]

Just get a ferrari (any model) and it will blow out every car here even with stock parts (don't know why anybody would butcher a ferrari anyways).

[Jason@SportsCar]

Im really torn between the 2. I had the regular 500 for 3 months and traded it in with a bigger car in order to keep the wife happy n safe. ... loved the car, no problem whatsoever with that and now the abarth is coming out but with the $25K price tags .... not really worry about the price...Im just itching for a new car.

the Yaris on the other hand, pretty much souped up. has about 26K miles on it, has the tanabe coilover, UR 23mm rear sway bar, 18" trd rims with brand new sets bf goodrich all season tires, rear disc conversion, bigger front disk upgrade, weapon R header, nitto midpipe and exhaust , Real Red Recaro seats , HID's on both headlights n fogs....N I have a set of stereos Plus the Blitz supercharger waiting to be install ...

I drive the car pretty much everyday....and I have 2 other supercharged cars ....

what do you guys think ....

You could finish the Yaris SC for less than the tax and licensing on the Fiat.

But if you dig the Imported from Detroit via Mexico Fiat's, go for it. :laugh:

[SAV912]

See. I must be in the minority. I love my Yaris, but it isn't anywhere near the end-all of subcompacts. Not even a supercharged one. Why? Because it is still a design going on seven years old now.

Great fun, I'm sure, but the minute my funds open up enough to afford a 500 Abarth Esseesse, my Yaris is out the door. I've driven one, and they are polar opposites. Italian cars may not be as reliable, but that 500 will be giggles and giggles of fun as it fizzes and pops around with the turbo whistling. It has character. And its special. A Yaris is just another subcompact until you start turning your own wrenches.

To each their own, though. I just wanted to address some of those that seem to be throwing stones in their glass houses.

-C

[tk-421]

But if you dig the Imported from Detroit via Mexico Fiat's, go for it. :laugh:

You may want to give this a read (I highlighted the relevant parts): http://diigo.com/0n7cs

Every major car manufacturer (including American, Japanese, German, and Italian brands) build their cars (at least partially) in Mexico for a reason: Quality workmanship at competitive prices.

Do you think they are all stupid enough to risk their image going to the toilet (along with losing billions of dollars) on a country that doesn't have the highest quality standards? Yeah... didn't think so. :rolleyes:

@OP: Sorry for the :offtopic: but I'm honestly tired of ignorant comments like these.

[SAV912]

@OP: Sorry for the :offtopic: but I'm honestly tired of ignorant comments like these.

Same here. Dull witted, misinformed comments like the one below from toolbags who seem to register just to start shit...it's really getting old.

vten, as long as you're itching to blow a lot of money on a sub-car with shitty performance, why not get a Smart ForTwo and call it a day?


Shitty performance...aside from fuel economy and expected reliability (which is a stretch), the 500 SS wipes the floor with the Yaris. Now at 22K, there are cars that will outperform the 500, but if the only reason was raw performance, $22K will buy a lot of Fox Mustang and go-faster parts to get you well into the 10s at the strip.

Unfortunately, my life isn't lived a quarter mile or autocross at a time. :rolleyes:

-C

[thebarber]

You could finish the Yaris SC for less than the tax and licensing on the fiat
This.

I certainly realize that yaris isn't the be all and end all of the b segment...but as someone who has traded a more or less finished car in for something new....its not worth it.

New cars just depreciate so fast are so expensive I don't think I could stomach the purchase of another new car

[malibuguy]

Btw have you sat in a fiat...the interior quality is crap and the shifter has so much play it reminds me of my friends 5 series bimmer with 300k on it

I reallu wanted to get one until i went to the dealer...i was very unimpressed

[vten]

great discussion !! moneywise, it's better to keep the yaris. so far so good owning that car without a major problems...I may keep it and will install the supercharger that sitting in my dining room for almost 6 months ?? :tongue:

but build wise... unless you know that the fiat is made in mexico, the build is actually feel more sturdy and the interior is actualy not as crappy as ppl say... I played with the 500 for 3 months and it's surely missed :redface:

[Shroomster]

See. I must be in the minority. I love my Yaris, but it isn't anywhere near the end-all of subcompacts. Not even a supercharged one. Why? Because it is still a design going on seven years old now.

Great fun, I'm sure, but the minute my funds open up enough to afford a 500 Abarth Esseesse, my Yaris is out the door. I've driven one, and they are polar opposites. Italian cars may not be as reliable, but that 500 will be giggles and giggles of fun as it fizzes and pops around with the turbo whistling. It has character. And its special. A Yaris is just another subcompact until you start turning your own wrenches.

To each their own, though. I just wanted to address some of those that seem to be throwing stones in their glass houses.

-C

Unless I am mis informed, the U.S.A is not getting the ss, just the abarth.

Also, yes the OP has driven a fiat (previously owned it) and for the love of whatever, he asked ONLY for input on 2 cars, not opinion of what car you like and how much money he should blow.....come on people.

[SAV912]

Unless I am mis informed, the U.S.A is not getting the ss, just the abarth.

The Abarth coming to the US will be the 160 bhp version, the equivalent of the Esseesse in Europe. What the standard Abarth is over there will be the revised 500 Sport here. Many mid model changes are coming down the line for 2013.

-C

[Jason@SportsCar]

You may want to give this a read (I highlighted the relevant parts): http://diigo.com/0n7cs

Every major car manufacturer (including American, Japanese, German, and Italian brands) build their cars (at least partially) in Mexico for a reason: Quality workmanship at competitive prices.

Do you think they are all stupid enough to risk their image going to the toilet (along with losing billions of dollars) on a country that doesn't have the highest quality standards? Yeah... didn't think so. :rolleyes:

@OP: Sorry for the :offtopic: but I'm honestly tired of ignorant comments like these.

What is your point? You simply are reaffirming that the 500 is no more of an Italian car than the Tundra made in San Antonio is a Japanese truck.

The idea that a modern car having a foreign heritage (in name only) gives it better handling, or makes it a less reliable car is ridiculous. Beyond the names the current crop of cars has little resemblance of the past offerings by those manufacturers, and the country of origin is rarely the final point of assembly in this price range for any car.

If the OP thinks the 500 is the best thing since sliced bread he should buy one. But he asked a question and people have offered their opinion. No one made you read it.

[Jason@SportsCar]

great discussion !! moneywise, it's better to keep the yaris. so far so good owning that car without a major problems...I may keep it and will install the supercharger that sitting in my dining room for almost 6 months ?? :tongue:

but build wise... unless you know that the fiat is made in mexico, the build is actually feel more sturdy and the interior is actualy not as crappy as ppl say... I played with the 500 for 3 months and it's surely missed :redface:

But it sounds like your wife didn't. :brokenheart: Is she going to feel any different about the Abarth? Or is it a non issue because she wont be allowed to drive it? :laugh:

[SAV912]

The idea that a modern car having a foreign heritage (in name only) gives it better handling, or makes it a less reliable car is ridiculous. Beyond the names the current crop of cars has little resemblance of the past offerings by those manufacturers, and the country of origin is rarely the final point of assembly in this price range for any car.


Where did TK state that the 500 handles better because it's built in Mexico? I didn't see that. I saw him say that many makers of all backgrounds have at least some form of manufacturing in Mexico because they screw things together well enough for cheaper than the Americans or the Canadians.

What was the point of YOUR post other than to bag on somebody that doesn't share your opinion? :iono:

-C

[Jason@SportsCar]

Where did TK state that the 500 handles better because it's built in Mexico? I didn't see that. I saw him say that many makers of all backgrounds have at least some form of manufacturing in Mexico because they screw things together well enough for cheaper than the Americans or the Canadians.

What was the point of YOUR post other than to bag on somebody that doesn't share your opinion? :iono:

-C

I did not state that he expressed that, it was a general statement. I don't see anywhere in my reply where I bagged on anyone? You don't like what I posted, don't read it.

[SAV912]

I did not state that he expressed that, it was a general statement. I don't see anywhere in my reply where I bagged on anyone? You don't like what I posted, don't read it.

How would I know I don't like it if I don't read it? Guess that's the standard reply from you though.:rolleyes:

-C

[TickleTimeTim]

SC the yaris for now, wait two years, and buy the fiat used (and much cheaper). done deal

[vten]

seems like the decision had been made ....supercharged the yaris for now and get a Front BBK kits so I can go with a smaller rims.

I have the 320mm upgraded disc and that faux brembo caliper, it won't clear 17" ...that's the reason why I still keep the 18" ...and even I also have another set of 18" for the summer :iono:

anyone in the columbus area can help me with the supercharger install ??:thumbup:

[tk-421]

If the OP thinks the 500 is the best thing since sliced bread he should buy one. But he asked a question and people have offered their opinion. No one made you read it.

I actually agree with the first part of your comment (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=627843#post627843). But the second part was a clear jab at the quality of the car because it "comes from Mexico". Apparently my attempt at trying to clear that misconception was not well understood.

In closing... Why write this:
But if you dig the Imported from Detroit via Mexico Fiat's, go for it.

... if you agree with this? :confused:
The idea that a modern car having a foreign heritage (in name only) gives it better handling, or makes it a less reliable car is ridiculous.

[TickleTimeTim]

who owns the fiat is in the picture above?

[vten]

who owns the fiat is in the picture above?

it's mine for a good 3 months. we had a mazda3 sedan, my wife hit a deer one night, and the fiat was the replacement for the mazda, then one of the nights, she almost hit another deer again and she was so freaking out ... so I decided to get her a bigger car for her safety ... the deer is bigger than the fiat you know ..:biggrin:

[TickleTimeTim]

Well it looked good. But yeah imo, a doe is bigger than a fiat.

[Jason@SportsCar]

I actually agree with the first part of your comment (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?p=627843#post627843). But the second part was a clear jab at the quality of the car because it "comes from Mexico". Apparently my attempt at trying to clear that misconception was not well understood.

In closing... Why write this:


... if you agree with this? :confused:

Seriously, you don't get it? There was no jab because the car comes from Mexico, the jab was because the car is a CHRYSLER product. :rolleyes:

The second part you did not get was in response to the various posts that indicate the car handles great because it is "Italian", or that it will die on the side of the road because it is a "Fiat". Neither of those theories are applicable to a Chrysler built in Mexico - ok, it could die on the side of the road due to the Chrysler DNA. :laugh:

[Mead]

SC the yaris for now, wait two years, and buy the fiat used (and much cheaper). done deal

this is the best advice, I wait one year or so

[joe keeney]

back when they sold fiat in U.S they were good for about 50,ooo miles, then to the boneyard. I know no better small car than yaris it a winner.

[vten]

i heard tons of bad FIAT things in the past, but it doesn't mean that the newer version with a better technology would do the same thing.... fiat is big in europe , they also make the lancia brand.

I understand that there are some differences with the us and europe specs in term of manufacturing, but it also doesnt mean that the fiat europe will let go any error or less quality control.

and if I were chrysler, I will do my best to make the fiat 500 to the highest qulity as possible as they already invest tons of money and aslo they want to make a profit as soon as possible.

that's how I see it.... it doesn't matter where did they build the car because they want to keep the price lower and I believe the standard is up to the italian fiat.

[SAV912]

and if I were chrysler, I will do my best to make the fiat 500 to the highest qulity as possible as they already invest tons of money and aslo they want to make a profit as soon as possible.



Fiat SpA owns a controlling percentage of Chrysler. Not the other way around. It's Fiat's job to make the 500 as good as possible.

[tk-421]

Seriously, you don't get it? There was no jab because the car comes from Mexico, the jab was because the car is a CHRYSLER product. :rolleyes:

Wow I totally missed your point then... My apologies.

[vten]

Yup back in Europe , but here in the USA, chrysler is controlling it share ... That's why in my opinion they brought the whole assembly in Mexico to keep the price lower and sellable ... Under the monitor of fiat spa off course .

[auxmike]

I've seen and sat in the 500 at my local area studio and was really impressed by it. The color variety is extensive and it appears to be put together quite well. The engine cover pops right off with a tug revealing the tiny 1.4 under it. The interior is a treat for the eyes, plenty of color as the dash matches the outside color. It seems like a much more "fancier" high end car than the Yaris in that there are so many standard goodies included in the base pop model like POWER WINDOWS!
My local dealer is having a blowout sale at $13,999 for a POP model that will regularly run you $15.5K.
With that said, I would KEEP the Yaris and buy the FIAT as a fun car to tool around in. The dealership network for fiat is REAL sparse and Toyota shops are everywhere, at least here. If/when Chrysler bails out and takes FIAT out of the US market, you will have an orphaned car with no factory support network. Remember Daewoo , Yugo (yikes!), Bertone X 1/9, and Diahatsu? The nearest SMART car dealer by me is now in NYC, used to be one 30min from home, but it's gone..
Keep the Yaris as a safety net for when the FIAT acts up....

[vadr45]

Well, I'm a newby, still getting used to my Yaris. I craved a Fiat until December when the dealer told me that he didn't expect the Abarth until April. Then I was reminded of my MINI Cooper S, which needed two years before they worked the bugs out and which lost its pumps and sensors - seriatum - at the five-year mark, requiring the sub-frame to be removed to get at the dead parts EVERY TIME ONE WENT BAD!

I'll go drive the Abarth just to see what I'm missing, but I'll be happy to drive my sooped-up 3-door for a least two years until we know if the Abarth is going to work or follow in the MINI's hoof-prints. I can say (without fear of successful contradiction) that my Yaris is far livelier and faster than the Fiat Sport model and they handle about the same. I have no reason to believe that the Abarth is going to thrill me.