Hatchback vs Sedan

[an0nemus]

So I was a happy owner of a 2007 Toyota Yaris Sedan. I never cared for the hatchbacks.

Last week my 2007 Yaris was totaled by a Ford F150 (everyone's ok) and my first trip was to a toyota dealership...and I couldn't find a single 2012 Sedan...

I talked to a salesman and found out that Toyota discountined the Sedan, as the hatchback was 70% of their sales. So, I started car shopping and I talked myself into buying a used 2010 (can't find a 2011...).

My theory is that the Sedan looked "camry" enough that toyota did it to differentiate the car lines. Anyone else disappointed that only the hatchback is available?

[47_MasoN_47]

I was disappointed that they dropped the sedan. But that gives me more reason to hold onto mine for as long as possible.

[chriskizi]

hatch looks so much better... has more versatility... and sold much much more

[MadMax]

Exactly, once the five-door hatch was introduced in 2009, the days of the sedan were numbered...

[henrylee]

Im happy with my 2011 sedan purchase last year. But glad i bought the last year of the sedan. But I think if was to purchase a sedan right now I would buy the new nissan Versa. Its cheaper than what I paid for my sedan and they come with more options.

[vten]

I traded in a mazda sedan for the yaris S HB, never regreted ever since ...except it became a money pit :D

HB rules :D

[parrisvpreston]

I was disappointed that they dropped the sedan. But that gives me more reason to hold onto mine for as long as possible.

Exactly, especially now that mines debadged it'll be even harder to figure out what I drive. Keep em guessing :thumbup:

[thebarber]

the sedan is a good option if you have 2 car seats....at least there is more storage space than the hatch (with the seats up)

[an0nemus]

hatch looks so much better... has more versatility... and sold much much more

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder :)

I can't dispute the last two, but I just never liked the look of the hatchback. So I pickedup my 2010 Yaris tonight, and I hope I love it in 2017 as much as I loved my 2007 in 2012!

[Chuck G]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder :)

I can't dispute the last two, but I just never liked the look of the hatchback. So I pickedup my 2010 Yaris tonight, and I hope I love it in 2017 as much as I loved my 2007 in 2012!
I agree!!

[47_MasoN_47]

hatch looks so much better... has more versatility... and sold much much more

How is it more versatile?

I originally wanted the HB, but there's just not enough room in there. I frequently carry 4 other people with me, and there's just not any way they'd have fit in there.

Personally I think the sedan looks better anyway :)

[1.5]

I love my sedan.

[thebarber]

Hatch is generally better for carrying large items...I once carried a dishwasher and luggage on an 8h drive from Fredericton NB to Montreal qc

[DebbyM46227]

So I was a happy owner of a 2007 Toyota Yaris Sedan. I never cared for the hatchbacks.

My theory is that the Sedan looked "camry" enough that toyota did it to differentiate the car lines. Anyone else disappointed that only the hatchback is available?

I used to get the Corolla and the Yaris sedan confused - they looked alike to me. Now they don't, but they did a year or so ago.

[jpmck03]

I used to get the Corolla and the Yaris sedan confused - they looked alike to me. Now they don't, but they did a year or so ago.

Hey now, be careful! I once jokingly suggested that someone rebadge their sedan as a Corolla Jr. and that suggestion was not liked at all!

...I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that you get a Corolla emblem, then a lettering set from eBay, and tool around town in your "Corolla Jr.":thumbdown::thumbdown::stupid::stupid::offtopic:

But, I can understand your confusion (http://yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=529048&postcount=25).

[47_MasoN_47]

Hatch is generally better for carrying large items...I once carried a dishwasher and luggage on an 8h drive from Fredericton NB to Montreal qc

True. Stuff like that is what I bought my pickup for though. I carry people in the Yaris and I'll carry stuff in my truck.

[thebarber]

True. Stuff like that is what I bought my pickup for though. I carry people in the Yaris and I'll carry stuff in my truck.

That's why I like our vibe. Room for people and luggage or room for hauling.

Now, a yaris wagon would be the tits

[1.5]

Ive had mine called a prius before :(

[2o6]

That's why I like our vibe. Room for people and luggage or room for hauling.

Now, a yaris wagon would be the tits

Here ya go

http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/109195408/TOYOTA_PROBOX_VAN.jpg


Sort of...it's based upon the old Vitz/Yaris/Echo.

[1.5]

not really the tits i think barber was talking about ^

[Deathegg]

From what I understand, the Yaris sedan IS available for 2012, but only for fleet sales. Once it gets the new sheet metal, it'll be available for retail sales, probably for 2013.

For me, only a hatch will do. Love folding down those rear seats and having that huge cargo area.

Looked at the new Yaris hatch at the auto show last week. Interior is really cheap now, like they were trying to cut costs. I'll stick with my '10 hatch.

[MUSKOKA800]

From what I understand, the Yaris sedan IS available for 2012, but only for fleet sales. Once it gets the new sheet metal, it'll be available for retail sales, probably for 2013.

For me, only a hatch will do. Love folding down those rear seats and having that huge cargo area.

Looked at the new Yaris hatch at the auto show last week. Interior is really cheap now, like they were trying to cut costs. I'll stick with my '10 hatch.

Wanna see a huge cargo area fold down the sedan seats. 10 foot 2"x4"s with ease. :thumbsup:

[Qmobile]

I was disappointed that they dropped the sedan. But that gives me more reason to hold onto mine for as long as possible.

Say WHAT!?!? did they drop it in light of the 5dr maybe?

[thebarber]

sedan is still available, it just hasnt had the facelift like the hatch

[Deathegg]

sedan is still available, it just hasnt had the facelift like the hatch

No. As I said above, the Sedan is NOT available for retail sale anymore. Fleet-only sales for '12. Probably next year the sedan gets the new body style and will be available.

Look on Toyotas web site. Only the hatch is available right now.

[suckerface]

Looked at the new Yaris hatch at the auto show last week. Interior is really cheap now, like they were trying to cut costs. I'll stick with my '10 hatch.

I checked out the 3dr at the Chicago auto show, and the 5dr at the Milwaukee auto show as well. HATED the new 3dr:barf:, and the 5dr didn't rank much better. Very pleased with my '08 :thumbup:

[Damo]

I manage to get a very large drumkit in and out of my LB Yaris 3 nights a week - so its all the room I need!

[LA Yaris]

I like the Sedan way better then the hatch.

1. Sedan is Faster then the hatch.

2. The Sedan is lighter the the hatch

3. Sedan just looks better

[MadMax]

I like the Sedan way better then the hatch.

1. Sedan is Faster then the hatch.

2. The Sedan is lighter the the hatch

3. Sedan just looks better

Bwahahahahaha! That's funny! :laughabove:

And if you actually believe any of it, that's even funnier! :laugh:

[LA Yaris]

Bwahahahahaha! That's funny! :laughabove:

And if you actually believe any of it, that's even funnier! :laugh:

Its funny cause it true, There's a post on here with the facts that the Sedan is all the above. Look it up!

Oh one more thing the sedan gets better MPG then the hatch

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31641

[Deathegg]

I manage to get a very large drumkit in and out of my LB Yaris 3 nights a week - so its all the room I need!

THAT'S what I'm talking about! We hatch owners can get things into our cars that the sedan crowd can't (or can, but not without some trouble). What about big tv's, bigger lawn equipment, bikes, etc, etc, etc? I could not live with a sedan - I need at least a hatch, if not a wagon.

* Looks are subjective - I think the sedan is good-looking, but the hatch is better.
* The sedan may be lighter, but by just a few pounds...nothing that anyone would notice in daily driving.
* All things being equal (engine size, gearing, etc), the sedan is probably more aerodynamic, thus better mpg. But I can't see it making a HUGE difference.

[MadMax]

Its funny cause it true, There's a post on here with the facts that the Sedan is all the above. Look it up!

Oh one more thing the sedan gets better MPG then the hatch

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31641

If the sedan was so great, then why did Toyota quit offering it in the US market?

And if it is so great, why was it never offered in the European market?

And, if the sedan is so great, why did the hatch outsell it in every market where the two were offered?

Sorry, but it's clear the hatch is the superior and preferred design, which is why it prevailed whereas the sedan is history...

Ya can't argue with facts, but nice try! :thumbsup:

[parrisvpreston]

If the sedan was so great, then why did Toyota quit offering it in the US market?

Ya can't argue with facts, but nice try! :thumbsup:

Why did Family Guy get cancelled the first time around?
Why do fads go in and out of style every twenty years?

The sedan will be back, it's just a matter of time :biggrin:

[Chuck G]

It's just a matter of personal preference.
If the hatch would have been the only model available in 2010,
I wouldn't have purchased a Yaris.

[baseballfan416]

I love how we are debating whether or not the sedan or hatch is quicker... They're both slow! It's a driver's race at best.

Personally, I love my 5speed sedan. Having driven it back to back to back with a newer (2010) 3 door and 5 door, the sedan feels more stable at freeway speeds (particularly on windy days). I realize the hatchbacks have a much more utilitarian feel (you can fit a crap ton in the hatchbacks with the seats down). But the sedan has it's own appeal. They're seemingly more scarce around here, and manual sedans are even more rare.

The hatch thrives because the subcompact scene is primarily teens and young 20-somethings. Sedans don't have the same appeal. But oddly, I agree that the sedan can definitely make a comeback. It's really not much smaller interior-wise from a corolla.

[parrisvpreston]

Yeah I love my MT Sedan, and even if they don't bring back the sedan, mine just becomes even more rare and special. I can see the appeal of the LB though.

[Qmobile]

If the sedan was so great, then why did Toyota quit offering it in the US market?

And if it is so great, why was it never offered in the European market?

And, if the sedan is so great, why did the hatch outsell it in every market where the two were offered?

Sorry, but it's clear the hatch is the superior and preferred design, which is why it prevailed whereas the sedan is history...

Ya can't argue with facts, but nice try! :thumbsup:

:clap::clap::clap: well put.....well put indeed! plus is'nt there more avaiable for the hb also?

[Deathegg]

If the sedan was so great, then why did Toyota quit offering it in the US market?

And if it is so great, why was it never offered in the European market?

And, if the sedan is so great, why did the hatch outsell it in every market where the two were offered?

Sorry, but it's clear the hatch is the superior and preferred design, which is why it prevailed whereas the sedan is history...

Ya can't argue with facts, but nice try! :thumbsup:

A). The sedan is not "history"; Toyota has merely delayed the introduction of the sedan until probably next year. It will be available again with the new body style.
B). The european market is totally different than the North American market. Europeans like small hatchbacks, not small sedans.
C). Would like to know where you got your sales numbers; I could not find any. However, seeing as the Yaris in all its iterations is sold around the world, Not surprised that the hatch may be the more popular model, since Americans are not really hatch-oriented like the rest of the world seems to be.

[Damo]

THAT'S what I'm talking about! We hatch owners can get things into our cars that the sedan crowd can't (or can, but not without some trouble). What about big tv's, bigger lawn equipment, bikes, etc, etc, etc? I could not live with a sedan - I need at least a hatch, if not a wagon.


I hear ya, Death - and THIS is the size of the kit Im talking about :)

http://www.damienpetrilli.com/imagesgallery/IMG_1948.jpg

[thebarber]

Yaris sedan still on the Canadian toyota site.
Yaris sedan named differently in other markets...
Can't fit 2 adults, 2 kids, a full-size stroller, and luggage into a yaris hatchback...and this coming from someone with a compact hatch and a compact sedan. We used our yaris hatch to move big bulky items and our aveo sedan to move long items and for family trips

[MadMax]

:clap::clap::clap: well put.....well put indeed! plus is'nt there more avaiable for the hb also?

Thanks, I forgot about that as well. Just another indication of the hatch's superior popularity.

Plus, the sedan I easily confused with the Corolla; but the hatch is truly unique.

I've owned sedans in the past, so I am aware of their positive attributes; but the Yaris hatch is clearly the better and more popular of the two (worldwide sales records prove that!)

Cheers! M2

[Qmobile]

i gotta another thing also M2......the hatch is kinda unique since how many small hatchs do u see that you could sit 4-5 and DON'T have more than 2 doors? other that the Yaris there's the Fiat 500 but that just got to the states also. And not to step on anybody's toes but Civics are coupes, TC is a hatch BUT it's also larger, CRZ is onle 2 seater, Focus is bigger and only comes in 4 or 5dr. The hacth really don't have any competition, I personally see more hacths than sedans around.

[birdman]

My '08 LB has more elbow room against the door than the sedan. When they restyled the LB for 2012 I wished they had used the nose styling from the sedan instead of the over styled mess it has now.

[YARISed]

Now, a yaris wagon would be the tits
Ditto for LB's and wagons.

Look at it this way. Everybody here bought a vehicle for a reason - transportation. What needs we have for transportation dictates which for us is the better vehicle, sedan "or" LB. The better car will be the one you need because both are a compromise between functionality and preference.

As for me, a secure trunk is a necessity out here hence my choice.
I even purposely leave glove boxes, center consoles open and sun visors down when parked - even at home.
Sort of saying, "Move along, nothing to see here. You mofo's are not welcome to smash my windows and violate my property."

I was seriously considering the LB. I want a liftback / wagon. But for now a sedan is what I need. :wink:

[joe keeney]

I'll get out off my H.B when you prey my dead cold fingers off the wheel.

[broody]

They stopped the yaris sedan because it was the same price as the Corolla. Those who want a car cheap and fun to drive around town will grab the yaris, those who want more comfort for highway travelling will buy a Corolla, that's it. I think they should have kept the yaris sedan and made the next gen corolla more expensive.
But the best would be to improve the trunk volume of the hatchback yaris, like the Fit, which has as much trunk as a Civic.

Also, does the yaris sedan drives like a hatchnack? The direction sharpeness, road noise, etc.

As for me, a secure trunk is a necessity out here hence my choice.
I even purposely leave glove boxes, center consoles open and sun visors down when parked - even at home.
Sort of saying, "Move along, nothing to see here. You mofo's are not welcome to smash my windows and violate my property."


I'd smash your window just because I think your behavior is really stupid.

[TOLMACH]

used my hb to bring two nighttables to my place.. both were in cardboard boxes that (I think) would not fit through the rear door of seadn (I did not expect that packaging would add so much volume).. i carried one on the front pass. seat and another one in the trunk (rear seat flat)

http://photo.qip.ru/users/tolmach/95112742/127439395/

[YARISed]

I'd smash your window just because I think your behavior is really stupid.

Undiagnosed anti-social disorder?

The idea is to deliberately declare that there is nothing valuable inside the car worth stealing.
Logically it would discourage small item thieves (GPS, iPod, cellphone, etc.) to break in if its not worth it.
Car break-ins for the silliest reasons are common in some areas of the city.

If I lived in a more laid back town, then that would be a different story.

Now back onto topic.

[broody]

Undiagnosed anti-social disorder?

The idea is to deliberately declare that there is nothing valuable inside the car worth stealing.
Logically it would discourage small item thieves (GPS, iPod, cellphone, etc.) to break in if its not worth it.
Car break-ins for the silliest reasons are common in some areas of the city.

If I lived in a more laid back town, then that would be a different story.

Now back onto topic.

That kind of attitude encourages the idea of always fearing the others and creates a bad atmosphere in the neighborhood imo. In some countries, they don't even lock their bicycles, and everyone is happy.


For me, "declaring" that way that you have nothing to steal would challenge me and I'd be even more tempted to try to steal you something, or just smash your window for fun.
Anyway, I would never steal, so you don't have to worry about your yaris.

[2o6]

I bought a Sedan, but honestly I prefer the hatchback, especially the 5door.

[why?]

That kind of attitude encourages the idea of always fearing the others and creates a bad atmosphere in the neighborhood imo. In some countries, they don't even lock their bicycles, and everyone is happy.


For me, "declaring" that way that you have nothing to steal would challenge me and I'd be even more tempted to try to steal you something, or just smash your window for fun.
Anyway, I would never steal, so you don't have to worry about your yaris.

if you live in NYC you should fear everyone. That is just the way it is. If you've never been there you couldn't possibly understand. The crime and stupidity displayed their are like nowhere else.

Making sure the morons roaming around at 3am know you have absolutely nothing in your car is the only way to guarantee they won't smash your windows. They aren't going to do it just out of spite, because a smashed window means an alarm, and that will draw cops. But if they don't know, they might try, because you never know what might be in a car. You do a car every few blocks you might get lucky and score enough loot to sell for a few hits of your favorite drug.

Their is no friendliness in NYC. Their is no trust. History killed that a long time ago.