Hydrolysis for Yaris (Water for fuel)?

[jhsouders]

Does anyone have any thoughts on using the process of hydrolysis in your yaris? Apparently their is a company that actually sells and installs the setup for your car AND has a money back satisfaction guarantee.

http://fuelfromh2o.com/

They even have test results for the setup in a yaris.

http://fuelfromh2o.com/testsresults.php

I get 45mpg or so in the summertime and 40 in the winter. They claim 15-35% mpg gains. I would love to get 50-55+ mpg consistently. I am awful tempted to try it out. What do you guys think about this?

[Gogogordy]

I guess if you believe that it MAY work, the money back guarantee claim is even easier to swallow.

Caveat emptor

[caineroad]

i will not try, haven't heard such thing before. If it is reliable, manufacturer would put that on already.

[why?]

you have to put more energy into water than you get from it. it would be interesting to see how you supposedly get better gas mileage from that.

[jhsouders]

you have to put more energy into water than you get from it. it would be interesting to see how you supposedly get better gas mileage from that.

The claim that more energy is required than you get out of it is common. I am still unsure myself of the truth of it. They claim that its possible to create more hydrogen using less voltage/amperage giving the mpg gains.

It is kind of hard to ignore the money back satisfaction guarantee and the results of the device. They wouldnt be in business if it didnt work, people would just get all their money back. If you look on google, lots of people are getting results using the same technique.

[SpaceShot]

I am getting similar mileage, but I am putting on 600 miles / week with my commute.
Given the prices for a complete package, $650, it would take 1-1/2 years to pay off at today's $3.75 / gallon.

My father in-law, a retired machinist, built one of his own to put in a full size Buick. While his mileage did go up ~15% he felt the bulk under the hood and the performance hit were more than he expected at the start.

[DMZ]

Googled for more information and turned up lots of claims that this tech is just another scam that surfaces when gas prices go up significantly. Here is one from e-bay:

http://reviews.ebay.com/Hydrogen-Generator-Economy-Device-SCAMS_W0QQugidZ10000000005261775

[Yaristeve]

Well, at least they stopped claiming you can run your car on water alone...

[Spidermandud]

I'd be a lot more comfortable trying this out, on say a go-cart, than my day-to-day.


..but I'm also not willing to spend that much on a go-cart.

DILEMMAS DILEMMAS.

[daf62757]

Isn't this the old Brown Gas thing in a new package? I chased this pony a few years ago when I had my 4Runner and gas prices were climbing. It was a smoke and mirror concept then and it is now.

The amount of energy needed to convert the water into hydrogen is very large and too large for a passenger or pickup truck. This is a scam. Save your money and your time.

[benton0]

if you believe on me that it MAY work, the money back guarantee claim.

[goliath1812]

I would sure like to see somebody try it :-)

[Idahotom]

Remember cow magnets, clamped arouind the fuel lines?

[why?]

The claim that more energy is required than you get out of it is common. I am still unsure myself of the truth of it. They claim that its possible to create more hydrogen using less voltage/amperage giving the mpg gains.

It is kind of hard to ignore the money back satisfaction guarantee and the results of the device. They wouldnt be in business if it didnt work, people would just get all their money back. If you look on google, lots of people are getting results using the same technique.

money back guarantees don't work if you the company decides you messed up, etc, etc, etc.

The best place to look for the story about water to energy is scientific journals. They all did the experiment after the original 2 scientists figured out how to get energy out of water.

now of course you could say it is all a cover up, and who knows, it could be.

[JumpmanYaris]

if you believe on me that it MAY work, the money back guarantee claim.

I don't think anyone is willing to believe you with this as your first post :laugh:

[Zebra]

In order to dispel all concerns about the device, I want you to know that I've been running one for just over 8 months. There is a fair amount of maintenance and you need to do a little tweaking to get everything to be efficient. Using a 12v system didn't seem to offer much help so after doing some quick calculations a 72v increased production and efficiency but increased battery weight by a multiple of 5. Also, the amount of water you need to carry becomes a factor and stopping my space ship to refill gets to be a pain in the drier galaxies. The warranty didn't say anything about interstellar transportation maintenance but that's not unusual for devices made on earth. There are several companies offering dry/cold fusion systems but I find the hum of their systems to be annoying once you hit light speed.

Maybe I'll get some of those cow magnets and try them out too... can't hurt can it?

[philc1974]

Hi there

just read this post about using HHO fuel suppliment in a Yaris or car, van etc...

My name is Phil and i am studying renewable energy practices in Dublin Ireland. My GF owns a 2000 Yaris and i plan on buying and fitting one of these systems into her car.

Currently i have constructed a HHO dual cell system which gives out about between 3 and a maximum 4 LPM of HHO gas ( 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen).

I am using a 12 volt power supply at 30 amps to simulate the car battery and so far i have the system producing 2 LPM of HHO gas . I have read a lot of forum posts about this system and what it produces can be used to suppliment a Diesel/petrol engine.
The problem with this system is that the MAP and/or MAF sensors in the car need to be manipulated, otherwise adding HHO gas into the air intake will trigger a lean mix reading and cause the computer to dump more fuel into the mix, making fuel economy worse.
There are devices which can be bought online which can either automatically adjust the MAP/MAF sensors, or it can be done with a simple on/off switch with a dial which limits the sensors reaction to the HHO Input.

The set up i constructed , produces a HHO gas from water with an electrolite added to the water to help electrolsis take place.
Given that air at sea level, and at equal volume, 0.1275% the density of the same volume of water, 1 litre of water can produce 784 times the volume in HHO, 1 litre of treated water can actually go a long way!. I have run my system many times for almost 8 hours solid with no noticable drop in the water reservior level (1 litre tank).

The main attribute of HHO is that when introduced into an engine, it:
• Burns hotter than petrol/diesel on their own
• Produces no emissions
• Leaves no carbon foot print
• Any HHO that is not used in the combustion chamber, gets ejected from the car exhaust as...Water!
• Cooler engine
• More horsepower
With just a couple of hundred pounds or Euros to purchase, and have one of these systems installed, and yield at least 10% in fuel efficiency, surely it would be worth it?
Remember there are no moving parts in this system, and the gas is made on demand, and stays in its natural state as water til one starts the car and throws the breaker switch to power this HHO Dry Cell generator.
I just thought that i would share this information with you all because i believe this is an amazing system to have installed on any car or van/truck,train, Boat!

Thanks for taking time to read this

Cheers!
Phil

[DMZ]

The problem with this system is that the MAP and/or MAF sensors in the car need to be manipulated, otherwise adding HHO gas into the air intake will trigger a lean mix reading and cause the computer to dump more fuel into the mix, making fuel economy worse.

I think this alone would spook most people away from HHO.

[philc1974]

They can be fitted professionaly :)

[nookandcrannycar]

I guess if you believe that it MAY work, the money back guarantee claim is even easier to swallow.

Caveat emptor

:clap::clap: Money back guarantee, especially with a small business, is good as long as the company is in business or however long the owner feels like honoring it, WHICHEVER IS SHORTER.:rolleyes:

[Strider199]

This reads like the system we installed in a 2008 Yaris last weekend. We just finished it up yesterday. So far no yellow check engine light. The hydrogen line is attached between the intake and the mass air flow sensor. Now we'll see if the 02 sensor get effected.

Here is the thread of the install. I had a few questions which were answered promptly that really helped.
Thanks again CTScott.

http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41083

I'm not ready to install this in my own 2012 Yaris just yet. Warranty is nice.

[charles nelson]

Oxygen and Hydrogen love to combine together and release vast amounts of energy...re: Challenger Explosion. So it takes equally vast amounts of energy to break down water into Oxygen and Hydrogen...but unfortunately no hydrolysis process is 100% efficient. So there is a resultant loss of energy. If you had an oil well in your back yard but it cost $15.00/gallon to pump out the oil and refine it to gasoline...would you do it...even tho' the oil is 'free'.

[philc1974]

Oxygen and Hydrogen love to combine together and release vast amounts of energy...re: Challenger Explosion. So it takes equally vast amounts of energy to break down water into Oxygen and Hydrogen...but unfortunately no hydrolysis process is 100% efficient. So there is a resultant loss of energy. If you had an oil well in your back yard but it cost $15.00/gallon to pump out the oil and refine it to gasoline...would you do it...even tho' the oil is 'free'.


Yes and no

There is a drop in what is gained as opposed to what is produced, but bear in mind that the car produces electricity as it is been driven, so there is no real impact on home electricity usage. The engine would supply the electricity needed to power this device (12 volts or less at 30 amps...or less!) so no real impact on anything

[charles nelson]

Ask a chemist how much energy it takes to break water molecules down...the hydrogen-oxygen bond requires a certain amount of energy to break. Using electricity will break the bonds, however...generating electricity causes some loss of energy because no device is 100% efficient. So it always takes more energy to break down water than you can possibly get back when you burn the hydrogen.
Some people reject this argument...they know what they know regardless of the real world. Sort of arguing about whose religion is the 'real' religion.