Ultra Racing rear sway bar

[Ratz]

Ultra Racing make 19mm and 23mm type. Not sure what size I should use for my 2011 Sedan. I do not want to make the car rough riding, as after all it is a Sedan driven gently.

Also, if there is a different brand (better) I would concider it.

Any input would be appreciated.

[fnkngrv]

The 19mm is just fine for street use with spirited driving

[yariseggvvti]

23mm,23mm,23mm. Rough riding only when you lower and replace the shocks. I got stock suspension but with all the Ultra racing bars. You will feel a big difference when you making a tight corner turn. Also,UR available rear stabilizer bar too.

[RedRide]

I got the 23mm for my DD and I love it .
Yes, it will stiffen the rear suspension a bit like either sway bar will but in a great way. You wiil no longer feel like you are driving a boat.

In any event, it can not in any way be considered harsh, or rough riding.....just balanced between the front and rear. Keep in mind that the Yaris already has a good stock front sway bar.

It has be said that one can not reallly feel the difference between the 19mm and the 23 mm until you reallly push the car and then, you can feel the benefits of the 23mm bar.

So, get either one from UR and you wiil not be disapointed! :smile:

[malibuguy]

I have a 23mm on my sedan and couldnt imagine going smaller

[cali yaris]

These bars don't change handling in a straight line, they don't make the suspension stiffer that way, though the car will resist buffeting from winds and passing semis a LOT better.

[1.5]

What about that Nitto Rear lower shock brace? Ive seen it in your store and am curious. What is the difference between that and the sway bar? Does it stiffen the dampening of the rear suspension? Or does it stiffen like a sway bar, side to side?

[cali yaris]

The sway bar (actually a torsion bar with a beam rear axle like we have) resists twisting by transferring weight to the OPPOSITE FRONT corner. Preventing roll translates into more traction on the front inside tire.

The rear trailing arm brace (rear underbrace) boxes in the trailing arm - beam - trailing arm "U" shape, providing more stiffness, and resistance to deformation. The rear of the car feels "tighter" or "crisper" with this brace in place.

[randeez]

from someone with the 19mm....

get the 23mm :biggrin:

I will probably upgrade mine at some point, the 19mm is a lot better then not having one by leaps and bounds, i can only imagine the 23mm is that much better with really no ill effects. i dont really drive hard, but i do still notice a little getting blown around, and i'm sure tires/rims will probably suffice for me since i'm still way up in the air with only an inch drop. however as slow as i go on the highways people wondering wtf i'm doing when i dont bother slowing down to get off an offramp is great

[1.5]

I speed up for on ramps :biggrin:

[cali yaris]

^ LOL, yeah that's the spirit!

[chewychewbacca]

I went from 19mm to 23mm and it was a noticeable difference for me especially on the freeway... :burnrubber:

[randeez]

:laughabove:

yes, i hear my babysmama gasp everytime i wing it towards an offramp if shes with me.

[OH yaris]

glad to see a consensus on the 23mm size... placing order shortly. thanks to all contributors. I'll update with my experience once it's on and driven around for a bit.

[randeez]

i'll sell you my 19mm so i can get a 23mm :biggrin:

[OH yaris]

^ haha, funny! I ordered from Micro Image and already received the shipping confirmation and tracking number. the order confirmation email and tracking number email were 46 minutes apart; crazy fast!

[randeez]

definitely, i ordered mine through them (him) ,on back order i believe, and i still received within a week all the way across the country

[Jeff@MicroImage]

For those that haven't picked yet, make sure to consider the Whiteline 22mm Adjustable rear bar and the Nitto rear underbrace.

http://shop.microimageonline.com/searchquick-submit.sc?keywords=whiteline

http://shop.microimageonline.com/NITTO-Rear-Lower-Shock-Brace-RSB-01.htm?categoryId=-1

[RedRide]

These bars don't change handling in a straight line, they don't make the suspension stiffer that way, though the car will resist buffeting from winds and passing semis a LOT better.

Acutually, it did stop the wandering at highway speeds for me for what ever reason.

Also, when one thinks abouit it, unless both wheels are focrced up (by the road) by exacly the same amount every time, the suspension will feel a bit stiffer but, in a very postive way.:smile:

[Ratz]

Thanks everyone looks like the 23mm is the one. Will order it tomorrow.

[cali yaris]

the order confirmation email and tracking number email were 46 minutes apart

what?! That's way too slow. :biggrin:

[Ratz]

Ended up ordering Whiteline 22mm Adjustable Rear Swaybar from
Micro Image.:smile: Will post my findings after some testing.

http://shop.microimageonline.com/searchquick-submit.sc?keywords=WHITELINE

Cheers all

[cali yaris]

^ I packed that! :smile:

[Golddeenoh]

how does this compare to the TRD sway bar?

[RedRide]

how does this compare to the TRD sway bar?

Just as good if not better and much cheaper.
Also, MI is great to deal with.

IMO, all TRD parts are way overpriced.

[Golddeenoh]

I negotiated my TRD sway bar into part of buying the car.

[Ratz]

Whiteline 22mm adjustable rear swaybar is installed. Nicely made, well fitting, and adjustable to boot.
I am obliged to Jeff from Micro Image for suggesting this product. I would not change it for anything.
One part I did not like are the supplied “U” bolts to support centre bushings. How to adjust correct tension with round clamp fitted on triangular Yaris stock was beyond me.
When installing the “U” bolt I new this will not do, but I pressed on. As I kept tightening and stretching the “U” bolt the nut ended up at the end of the treaded part with clamp still not tight enough to my satisfaction.

I started the lathe and made up two triangular brackets with 7/16 NC thread and 3/8” rod bent with help of the heat. I made the brackets from stainless steel and used stainless steel nylock nut.

Pictures should explain everything.

Road test confirmed what everybody already said. Cornering is big difference. Took the exit off the highway with 40km speed limit at 80km and did not think much of it. I set up the bar in it’s most aggressive position.

Do not know if it is my imagination but driving strait it appears like car is little harsher. Best way to describe it is like if the tires were overinflated. Can anybody confirm that?

http://www3.telus.net/oceanready/Sway%20bar%20001.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/oceanready/Sway%20bar%20003.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/oceanready/Sway%20bar%20004.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/oceanready/Sway%20bar%20005.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/oceanready/Sway%20bar%20006.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/oceanready/Sway%20bar%20009.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/oceanready/Sway%20bar%20010.jpg

http://www3.telus.net/oceanready/Sway%20bar%20011.jpg

[cali yaris]

^ Nice install, and I like your mod.

As long as the bracket is firmly attached to the beam axle, there is no "correct" tension. If the bushing is installed so that the bar is just held firmly in place, it will perform its function, which is to allow movement but resist twisting. For example, the Ultra Racing bar, which works quite well, isn't attached to the axle at all.

But, I'll say it again: I like your mod and it would be cool if they made it that way.

[Ratz]

^ Nice install, and I like your mod.

As long as the bracket is firmly attached to the beam axle, there is no "correct" tension. If the bushing is installed so that the bar is just held firmly in place, it will perform its function, which is to allow movement but resist twisting. For example, the Ultra Racing bar, which works quite well, isn't attached to the axle at all.

But, I'll say it again: I like your mod and it would be cool if they made it that way.

Thanks for the kind word. Sometimes striving for perfection drives me crazy.

That is why I am so grateful to have purchased the Whiteline bar which includes the bushings attached to the beam axle. Most automobiles had these bushings in the past. I think it is more solid design. I am sure the supplied “U” clamps would work just fine, but since I have the capability in the shop to improve it, then why not?

I am also planning to change the attachment to the outer hole as I find the stiff setting on the inside hole to be to much as when one side wheel hits the bump on the road the force is transmitted aggressively to the other wheel, Hence giving me a feeling of overinflated tires. Nice to have the adjustment.

[banifesto]

Hi,
Just wondering.. by adjusting the stiffness, will that make the sway bar less stiff than 22mm.. probably will provide similar stiffness level to a 19mm bar? just curious on how does an adjustable sway bar works..

[Ratz]

Hi,
Just wondering.. by adjusting the stiffness, will that make the sway bar less stiff than 22mm.. probably will provide similar stiffness level to a 19mm bar? just curious on how does an adjustable sway bar works..

Here is the link to their website that should shine some light on the subject. http://www.whiteline.com.au/vehicle_swaybars.php
You will see the number of holes in the end of the bar. When you use the hole furthest away from the center of bar (see my photo #2) you get softer response. Hopefully Jeff from Micro Image will confirm this but difference between the holes is like using 23.mm or 19mm bar.

I just changed my setting this morning and it took me about 5 minutes. Have not road tested the car yet. As I said before I found the stiff setting too aggressive for my liking but that may be a good news for demanding drivers.:burnrubber:

[Jeff@MicroImage]

That is correct, outer holes will make it softer and inner holes will make it stiffer.
It's difficult to compare to the UR 19mm & 23mm bars since this bar mounts differently and has different attachment points via Urethane drop links vs. solid on the UR bar.

Ratz, we have not had any feedback on harshness, Please keep us updated and let us know how it feels on the softer setting.

[Ratz]

Just to update everyone about the softer setting on Whiteline swaybar.

I prefer the softer setting for my type of driving. The condition of overinflated tires like basically disappeared and car handles beautifully. I am one happy camper.:biggrin:

Now, should I ever need to race another car on a winding and twisty road, I would likely adjust it back to the stiffer setting. Over all, I think Whiteline achieved a nice balance.

[xhifer]

When's the UR 23mm coming back in stock?

[OH yaris]

I'll update with my experience once it's on and driven around for a bit.

Part arrived on schedule but I didn't get around to the installation until this past weekend. The test drive was fun, definitely a noticeable reduction in roll around corners. If you are thinking about this upgrade, I cast my vote for yes, go for it!

[Ratz]

Part arrived on schedule but I didn't get around to the installation until this past weekend. The test drive was fun, definitely a noticeable reduction in roll around corners. If you are thinking about this upgrade, I cast my vote for yes, go for it!

I take it you purchased the 23mm Ultra Racing. Can you please post some pictures? I would like to see the fit as Ultra Racing bars do not use the two additional bushings like Whiteline does.

What counts is you are happy. Congratulations.

[OH yaris]

I take it you purchased the 23mm Ultra Racing. Can you please post some pictures? I would like to see the fit as Ultra Racing bars do not use the two additional bushings like Whiteline does.

What counts is you are happy. Congratulations.

Yes, 23mm. Install was pretty straight forward. I was stubborn and tried without taking the wheels off, but ended up doing so. It mounts using the bolt from the rear shock and an additional bolt is provided that goes through a hole a few inches forward (2nd pic). Pretty sturdy in my opinion.

first pic is from passenger side, behind door, towards driver rear tire. Second is passenger rear, and third is from behind the car.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7547/swaybar1.jpg
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/5984/swaybar2.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5364/swaybar3.jpg

[catliektheif]

Ah! so youre the one that got the last 23mm! i was about to get it!!!

[Ratz]

Thank you for posting the photos OH yaris, looks very nice. I was curious how is this swaybar installed without any bushings and I got my answer.

Yes, it looks like a very sturdy and simple installation. Also there is no worries about bushings wearing out.

[TOLMACH]

23 MM UR seems out of stock (( (I already want one))))))))

[allyart]

23 mm >>>> 19mm
bigger is better :thumbup:

[malibuguy]

no need to take the wheels off. if it takes you more then 10mins your doing it wrong. best 7minute mod ive ever done to a car.

[cali yaris]

23 mm >>>> 19mm

Whiteline >>>> 23 mm >>>> 19mm

[allyart]

Whiteline >>>> 23 mm >>>> 19mm

maybe true but whiteline is not ultra racing's product :biggrin:

[why?]

is the whiteline bar really stiffer?

[OH yaris]

Thank you for posting the photos OH yaris, looks very nice.

You're quite welcome, and thanks for the thanks! :thumbup:


no need to take the wheels off. if it takes you more then 10mins your doing it wrong. best 7minute mod ive ever done to a car.

That's pretty quick, well done! You're invited to help whenever the next project comes up. I'm still learning as I go...

[cali yaris]

maybe true but whiteline is not ultra racing's product

I don't understand what that means. Correct, it's another company's product?
We sell both. :thumbsup:

[spocksleftball]

Will there be any ultra 25mm forthcoming? The whiteline looks...well...iffy

[allyart]

I don't understand what that means. Correct, it's another company's product?
We sell both. :thumbsup:

sorry to confuse you :biggrin:
just want to say that this thread are talking about the ultra racing and not whitelines :laugh:

and yes you sell both, and at a good price too!
i just cannot understanf why in indonesia they sell the 23mm at $225, far more higher than you, consider that indonesia is malaysia (ultra racing manufacturer) neighbour. i suspect not the shipping cost is that big, maybe our import tax are higher :iono:

[Ratz]

is the whiteline bar really stiffer?

I would imagine it is stiffer, as my Yaris is 4 Dr. Sedan which has much more weight in the aft end and I did not like the stiffer setting. I would think it would be even more aggressive with hatchbacks. The nice feature for me was it is adjustable by choosing the forward or aft hole.
Even after reading all the comments I would still choose the Whiteline, but I had the advantage of improving the center bushings “U” bolts.
With all due respect to "allyart" comment not being a racing product, I am somewhat puzzled as, after all it is only a swaybar. If the one wheel hits the bump the other wheel is forced to go up as well. If the bar is too stiff you will end up with undesirable condition which I had experienced with stiffer setting. With Whiteline I had the choice to adjust it to my liking and know that I am at my limit.:thumbup:
Since Whiteline is a 22 mm bar I believe it is likely stiffer due to the center bushings configuration. I would have a hard time to think that one would want to have Whiteline bar set on stiff setting in the hatchback car, unless the road is super smooth and driver is in the manic mode.:burnrubber:
By the way if the picture on Micro Image website is any indication, the bar is set in it’s softer setting (the end hole)
http://shop.microimageonline.com/Whiteline-22mm-Adjustable-Rear-Swaybar-Yaris-xD-BTR86Z.htm?categoryId=-1

Cheers to all,

[Freestylin]

The 23mm UR rear sway is wayyyy stiffer than the TRD one. With the combination of lowering and this suspension add-on, the feeling of the vehicle definitely changes in characteristic. Definitely one of the best mods/value you can get for your car as the Yaris does feel a bit floaty to begin with..

[cali yaris]

and driver is in the manic mode.

that would be me.

[racerb]

Perhaps I missed it somewhere, but what MM is the TRD bar anyway?

racerb :iono:

[tooter]

Just checked mine... it's 19mm.

[racerb]

Thanks man, looks like 23mm UR bar for me, well when Micro Image has them in stock again!!

racerb :thumbsup:

[racerb]

Yes, 23mm. Install was pretty straight forward. I was stubborn and tried without taking the wheels off, but ended up doing so. It mounts using the bolt from the rear shock and an additional bolt is provided that goes through a hole a few inches forward (2nd pic). Pretty sturdy in my opinion.

first pic is from passenger side, behind door, towards driver rear tire. Second is passenger rear, and third is from behind the car.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7547/swaybar1.jpg
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/5984/swaybar2.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5364/swaybar3.jpg

Scary picture man, what did it rain fishin' worms at your house or something?

racerb :eek:

[Jeff@MicroImage]

You should really consider the Whiteline bar over the UR, if it was up to me we wouldn't even order any more UR 23mm bars now that we have the Whiteline bars in stock.

[racerb]

I like the Whiteline bar, in fact I have one on my '87 Celica. But when it comes to the Yaris, I believe simpler is better and having fewer attachment points means less issues. I have raced FWD cars since 1980 and have found stiffening the suspension to much causes the radial tires to just plow through the turns. You gotta have some body roll for the cars to take a set and bite through the corners!

racerb