Out with the japanese junk (aka my Yaris)...

[firemachine69]

In with a proper boat puller.

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/292923_10150657230557129_503742128_9122367_1623713 15_n.jpg

There's almost a grand of work on the Yaris. What an epic piece of crap. The dealer is NOT going to be happy when they see how much needs to be done! :eek:


And all I can say is that I am absolutely DONE with Toyota. Lotsa stuff gonna put up for sale folks, keep an eye on the classifieds on YW. :biggrin:

On the other hand, I just about stole that truck. Poor dealer, squeezed her proverbial nuts to the last penny. :biggrin:

(And before some idiot spouts off about FE... All the other shit that it needed does not equal what it cost in downtime and repairs... Besides. I drive about 300-400 miles... A month. Should I start driving more, I have an old beater 2000 Jetta four-banger, five-speed.

[Nicfin]

If you were pulling a boat with the Yaris, no wonder you had problems.:biggrin:

Just kidding. However, I am curious as to what problems you had with the Yaris. I haven't had mine long and I am wondering how it will hold up over time. I haven't had any issue so far with mine, but I haven't put many miles on it.

[Chuck G]

Anticipating a challenge?

[firemachine69]

If you were pulling a boat with the Yaris, no wonder you had problems.:biggrin:

Just kidding. However, I am curious as to what problems you had with the Yaris. I haven't had mine long and I am wondering how it will hold up over time. I haven't had any issue so far with mine, but I haven't put many miles on it.

Honestly, a little fourteen-footer with a 9.9 Merc was alright. So long as I had a solid (concrete/paved) ramp.


Let's see:

-Numerous "ghost" check engine lights.
-Air box which about rattle itself into pieces.
-A new catalytic converter (I pray for the bastard that has to pay that out of pocket :eek:)
-Deforming panels
-Clear coat peeling off in giant chunks.
-Bearings. Bushings. Struts. All present before I started towing
-I think the steering rack is gonzoes...
-Factory belt blew up at 40K miles.
-Dieing coolant pump.
-Windows rattle like crazy on mildly warm days with the windows partially open. "That's normal" says 'yota. :rolleyes:
-Suspension geometry design defect which makes you lose your (expensive) front hub caps at a absurdly-fast pace.
-Issues with driver's power-door lock mechanism (recent).
-Factory tires wearing at a scary rate.

I think I covered most of it. I totally, 110%, believe my car was the one they started friday afternoon at 3pm, and finished monday morning at 9am. Even Dodge can't produce that level of junk on a normal work day.


This is above and beyond the basic flaws like thin paint, etc. :eek:


I also am a new landlord. Bringing 3000lbs of concrete bags just wasn't going to happen with my Yaris, even with a trailer. :biggrin:

[weedtank]

Cool story bro

[DevilGirl]

That bites about the Yaris issues. Seems as though you had a lemon. They happen to all companies.

Loving the truck though!! Eco-boost version?

[bronsin]

So you are saying your Yaris has (had) problems.

But overall you understand the YARIS is one of if not the best built small car on the market today? You're not saying theyre all like that?

Right?

[ROCKLAND TOYOTA]

BYE.....

[firemachine69]

So you are saying your Yaris has (had) problems.

But overall you understand the YARIS is one of if not the best built small car on the market today? You're not saying theyre all like that?

Right?

Yep, the stats don't lie.


But the way I was treated by Toyota, however, was completely unacceptable. They basically denied at every turn and "level" that I could have such a lemon. They can go blow a goat, quite frankly. Last Toyota I'll EVER buy.

I vote with my wallet folks!


No eco-boost (did they even have it for '09?) Test drove a new EB F-150 on the dealer's lot, very snappy, LOTS of boost, but I'd never recuperate the cost of it. I'll be lucky to burn up a tank of gas with this new truck.

[bronsin]

Thats a good way to vote.

If they dont fix the water pump problem Im looking elsewhere also...

[firemachine69]

I did end up buying an extended warranty (at cost). I've come to realize if it has tits, tires, or floats, it's gonna break!

[devinlamothe]

LOL.

I know how you feel Firemachine. Laking Toyota are crap after you buy the car trying to get anything done.

I've had alignment issues since a year after I had the car, where it constantly pulls to the right and Toyota said there was no issue. To this day it is still happening and I cannot figure out why.

I too have issues with steering/suspension (just recently changed a wheel bearing). Then again, our winters are very harsh to vehicles, I am already starting to see rust forming on the rocker panel underside.

Since I am local I want dibs on anything cool :D

[brg88tx]

my bro in law has a 2010 f150. at 8,000 miles it had to have the entire transmission replaced. now it has an electrical problem where it won't start half the time. you have to use the keyless entry to lock and unlock it several times before it will start.

[bentjazz]

firemachine69,

Sorry that happened to you. I bought a 100,000 mile extended warranty for my Yaris. Kind of always regretted doing that, but after your story, maybe not. I've had zero problems with my 2010 Yaris thus far, and have around 10,300 miles on it.
I'm no expert, but it seems American car companies have a better rep with their trucks compared to their small cars. So, I'm sure you'll do fine with your F-150. Be that as it may, the way you feel about Toyota is the way I feel about American cars. I've owned so many crap American cars that were in the shop constantly that I refuse to ever buy an American car again. Ever. Probably kind of irrational on my part, but hey, my experience is my experience. Best car I ever owned was a used 1999 Corolla. Zero problems and I probably shouldn't have sold it. So, I'm hoping to have similar luck with my Yaris.
Good luck to you.

[jayeh]

Cool story bro

+1

[josh044]

I wouldn't bet on your Jetta being as reliable as your lemon Yaris. I'm being serious, I've owned a Jetta.

[WeeYari]

I have an old beater 2000 Jetta four-banger, five-speed.

I wouldn't bet on your Jetta being as reliable as your lemon Yaris. I'm being serious, I've owned a Jetta.

Ha! His Jetta is already 7 years older than his Yaris, and he is quite willingly calling it a beater.

[jayeh]

In with a proper boat puller.

There's almost a grand of work on the Yaris. What an epic piece of crap. The dealer is NOT going to be happy when they see how much needs to be done! :eek:


And all I can say is that I am absolutely DONE with Toyota. Lotsa stuff gonna put up for sale folks, keep an eye on the classifieds on YW. :biggrin:

On the other hand, I just about stole that truck. Poor dealer, squeezed her proverbial nuts to the last penny. :biggrin:

(And before some idiot spouts off about FE... All the other shit that it needed does not equal what it cost in downtime and repairs... Besides. I drive about 300-400 miles... A month. Should I start driving more, I have an old beater 2000 Jetta four-banger, five-speed.

Make sure they send the Yaris further west when they go to resell it ok? Try to tell them to not send it SE ok??? :thumbup:

[SAV912]

So what you're saying is, you had problems and have written off Toyota as a whole because you decided that using the smallest car they sell in North America as a towing vessel was a good idea.

No helping you then, enjoy your truck, Godspeed with the Jetta (Volkswagen is an apocalypic pile of garbage, especially early Mark IVs) and don't let the door hit you on the way out. :drinking:

-C

[Betrivent]

Guys, to each his own. He's made his decision, there's no point trying to change his mind

[thebarber]

a good dealership can go a long way to customer satisfaction....sounds like the one in sudbury sucks

[daf62757]

If I was going to go bat shit crazy and trade in my Yaris....for a pick up....A Ford would be my choice....my choice if every Toyota pickup had been sold that is.

[09sedan]

ford is pretty damn impressive , the best of the domestic automakers..if my next car isnt a yaris sedan or a new loaded avalon xls , it will probably be a ford fusion or SUV. :biggrin:

[Yury]

I don't think there's such a thing as a good dealership when it comes to warranty work. Most of them make excuses or lie to you. I think I've seen about one good service rep in my entire life..funnily enough at a GM dealer in Mississauga. Part of the reason I stopped buying new and relying on warranty, I rather do my research on whatever issues may come up and pay a local guy to fix it exactly as I say.

[Hershey]

We've got creaking going on in the front and rear of the Yaris sedan . Had it to the dealer where we pruchsed it new and found nothing wrong . Still creaks and will bring it back when it's non stop . There's a 8 year / 125,000 mile Platinum warranty that was free from Toyota for the head gasket issue . Should give it plenty of time for all creaks to become constant and in unison for the techs to hear them and hopefully make the repair(s) . Reminds me of an old lazyboy reclining / rocking chair :headbang: . Plan to keep it until it bites the dust .

[Betrivent]

proabably the springs

[Hershey]

Likely them , bushings or the rack / pinion . Maybe all . Shouldn't be happening with less than 45,000 miles . Not that hard on it and avoid potholes best we can .

[JumpmanYaris]

GL with the gas on that

Don't let the door hit ya on your way out.

[Spidermandud]

^

Owned a Blazer before the Yaris.

I've formed the opposite opinion.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Sorry that your local Toyota treated you like crap. But seems like your Yaris was a lemon.

Don't count out the F150 for FE. It's decent for a truck.

[DebbyM46227]

GL with the gas on that

Don't let the door hit ya on your way out.

+1. And I don't care what he says about towing the boat being OK, I would never do that with any small car.

[jambo101]

But the way I was treated by Toyota, however, was completely unacceptable. They basically denied at every turn and "level" that I could have such a lemon. They can go blow a goat, quite frankly. Last Toyota I'll EVER buy.



I can certainly empathize with your hostility toward Toyota,i think you just got one of those rare Toyotas that was haunted by gremlins, my 2008 sedan has been virtually trouble free since new,it just turned 100K.. But a few years back i bought a new Suzuki Wagon that had just about every problem imaginable, dealer ultimately said i was abusing the car and was actually threatening to cancel the warranty..:eek: needles to say much as i like Suzuki styling they'll never get another dime off me.

[firemachine69]

So what you're saying is, you had problems and have written off Toyota as a whole because you decided that using the smallest car they sell in North America as a towing vessel was a good idea.

No helping you then, enjoy your truck, Godspeed with the Jetta (Volkswagen is an apocalypic pile of garbage, especially early Mark IVs) and don't let the door hit you on the way out. :drinking:

-C



I had a Tercel, equally junk.

And it is rated for 800lbs in Canada: 2200lbs in the UK. A rating would equal suitability, no? (Ha! Trick question, the law has already answered this with a resounding "YES".)



I can certainly empathize with your hostility toward Toyota,i think you just got one of those rare Toyotas that was haunted by gremlins, my 2008 sedan has been virtually trouble free since new,it just turned 100K.. But a few years back i bought a new Suzuki Wagon that had just about every problem imaginable, dealer ultimately said i was abusing the car and was actually threatening to cancel the warranty..:eek: needles to say much as i like Suzuki styling they'll never get another dime off me.

I remember laughing up the idea of the extended warranty and how they were such a scam to the Toyota sales guy (because unlike my current dealership that sold one at cost - the stealership makes around 50% mark-up). I now 100% believe in buying an extended warranty from a reputable company. Just another form of insurance, and personally, it seems at worse that I've broken even on any insurance I purchase - minus life insurance, of course. :tongue:



Honestly, anyone that buys a truck wanting good FE needs to pull their heads out of their asses. There's no way you're going to push/pull 6000lbs in a thrifty fashion. Thriftier? Sure. Thrifty? Maybe when the seas part again...

[DMZ]

I had a Tercel, equally junk.



I know from 30 years of using "fleet" vehicles, that some people are just hard on equipment. They just seem to have bad luck with whatever they use. It is a strange phenomena that drives fleet managers nuts.

[firemachine69]

Well folks, just reset the "average fuel economy" gauge on the F-150, and she's steadily dropping. Now over 18mpg, and climbing, even with the occasional "test drive" by friends (Who are more than happy to find the torque in the 5.4 Triton :laugh:). Not too shabby for a truck that weights around six thousand pounds, eh? Considering I only ever averaged 36mpg with my Yaris...


I know from 30 years of using "fleet" vehicles, that some people are just hard on equipment. They just seem to have bad luck with whatever they use. It is a strange phenomena that drives fleet managers nuts.

I had a Sunfire. Only problem was self-inflicted. I learned quickly on a commercial-grade pressure washer should not be hosing down an exposed ABS sensor.

Otherwise, that car just would not die. And THAT car I drove it like I stole it!

[why?]

here we go again. Good luck with the truck, don't expect anyone here to give you an mm when you attack and insult Toyota. They've always been wonderful to me and mine. Countless Corolla's (literally), a 1982 Supra with over a quarter million miles, and my Yaris running strong with 75k.

[krolos]

18 mpg and climbing ya right :bs:

[fnkngrv]

You just have bad luck or else abuse your rides or it is possibly karma. I had a 96 Tercel and to this day the guy I sold it to when I bought my Yaris in 06 is driving it with over 220k miles with only replacing oil, spark plugs, and a pair of wheel bearings. I am about to roll 75k onto my Yaris and have done pretty aggressive/taxing driving not to mention have installed the turbo going on 20k miles already with nary and issue that I didn't create/cause.

About the only North American made car that I owned that was worth a damn was the ones I owned that were pre-1970. I am saddened to say so. As for dealers they for the most part are only good enough to gran the keys from and that is all. The disgusting truth is that "good" dealer is the exception rather than the rule on a large scale.

[craigq]

18 mpg and climbing ya right :bs:

Possibly miles per Imperial Gallon, so about 15 miles per US Gallon. One more reason to like LPHKM or KMPL. Also, OEM fuel efficiency meters are well known for not being accurate.

[nemelek]

Having a truck is nice. Trips to Home Depot, 4 wheeling, and hauling. However for my daily driver I spend $2000 less/year on fuel by driving the Yaris.

[DMZ]

Having a truck is nice. Trips to Home Depot, 4 wheeling, and hauling. However for my daily driver I spend $2000 less/year on fuel by driving the Yaris.


Absolutely. A truck is a nice secondary vehicle. I have one I use for firewood, hauling, hunting/fishing/camping, etc.

Oh yeah, it is a '05 Tundra DC and it is the most trouble free truck I have ever owned. :biggrin:

[Hamster]

Wow, that really sucks that your Yaris was a lemon. Given how poorly you were treated by Toyota over the matter, I don't blame you for vowing to never buy another Toyota....I wouldn't buy one either, if that happened to me.

[JumpmanYaris]

I vote for a permaban for u

[oliveskate]

L O L

[Golddeenoh]

nice job throwing in that the tires ware at an alarming rate, dealership tires are typically a softer compound than regular and will not last as long as normal tires. they typically do this to make the car have a smoother ride and handle better to help make you want buy the car. I had to change out all 4 of mine before I hit 25k.

as for the F-150, they are a fairly good truck and have one of the toughest suspensions you can get, motor mounts, power steering, and transmissions, not so tough on them. had 96 with a 300 straight 6 and 5 on the floor, duel gas tanks and a long bed. loved it until i replaced the motor mount for the 16th or 17 time,2 replacement power steering pumps and the tranny was pretty much gone. of course i sold it and put a clutch into an 88 civic hatch that had about 3 years until it started having electrical problems and my wife made me get a new car so i got the yaris simple for the reliability of the toyotas that my family has had. 79 yota pick up 500k+ miles with a crack in the block that would open up when it got hot but it would still drove and started every time.

[jambo101]

Big white pickup would be nice but i dont have a reason to own one and filling it up on a regular basis would probably make huge dent in my personal finances.
Out of curiosity how much would it cost to fill one of those pickups at $1.50 a liter and how far can you expect to go on a tank full of gas..

[detroiter]

Atleast you bought a Ford truck. I'm from domestic ground zero and I know what's good and what's bad in terms of American quality. I hate to say it but prior to the last year or two, I'd stay far as hell away from any Chryslers. Transmission problems that has plauged the company for decades. As far as trucks go, Ford definitely have the best in terms of quality. In looks, I LOVE the Dodge trucks but like I said, I'd steer clear of Chryslers.

The question that begs to be asked though is you said you were tired of spending money on that Yaris, what do you think that Ford is going to cost you in gas? You'll be lucky if you break even in compared to if you just fixed the repairs

[09sedan]

OP had a lemon, all manufacturers have lemons, disappointing to see how many people here are acting immature.. if i had a lemon sedan i wouldnt buy another toyota either, im also a ford guy as well, they do make the best pickups, they INVENTED pickups.. and that pickup is more practical to him then a hatchback...

[SAV912]

OP had a lemon, all manufacturers have lemons, disappointing to see how many people here are acting immature.. if i had a lemon sedan i wouldnt buy another toyota either, im also a ford guy as well, they do make the best pickups, they INVENTED pickups.. and that pickup is more practical to him then a hatchback...

Yeah. Some of us might be acting immature. Although that's going to happen when the OP comes in here and acts equally immature by going out of his way to absolutely trash the car that the entire website is based upon. Especially if 99% of his problems were likely from using a product in a fashion it is not normally designed for.

He should not expect and will not receive any sympathy if that is his approach.

A Yaris tugging around 800 lbs of boat it's entire life is going to go through wear items (and nearly everything he listed was wear items) quicker than a Yaris driven normally by normal people. It is a small economy subcompact. Not a towing vessel.

-C

[500snakz]

[QUOTE=firemachine69;638778]Honestly, a little fourteen-footer with a 9.9 Merc was alright. So long as I had a solid (concrete/paved) ramp.


Even Dodge can't produce that level of junk on a normal work day.


REALLY?

[firemachine69]

18 mpg and climbing ya right :bs:

Calculated mileage is 18MPG right now (yes, US gallons.) I lost substantial mileage while doing the whole stop-go ritual on Yonge street in downtown Toronto (to-from the 401).

I think you're forgetting that beyond 30MPG, you're talking tenths of a liter's difference (I.E. minimal.)

If you do basic math, mileage is about right for weight (truck has 3.55 gearings, FYI). Your Yaris weighs 2300lbs (basic power with auto we'll assume), roughly 40MPG is the average anecdotal I've come up with YW. Now my truck weighs ~5500lbs, so halve the mileage, and you get basically what I do. Keep in mind I no longer have to tap the gas pedal for fear of getting squished. Even Caravans make way for my big, slow (somewhat) truck.


Big white pickup would be nice but i dont have a reason to own one and filling it up on a regular basis would probably make huge dent in my personal finances.
Out of curiosity how much would it cost to fill one of those pickups at $1.50 a liter and how far can you expect to go on a tank full of gas..

I'm not sure. Almost $200 by basic noggin' math. :eek:


But frankly, it took me a road-trip to even use up a tank. I'll be mildly surprised if I need to fill-up the tank before mid-May... A thousand kilometers per month (figure 600'ish miles) is actually quite alot of mileage for me. This is partially due to the fact that I live less than three miles from work. :headbang:

One really nice thing I never even thought about is that I can do a five-hour return roadtrip, and not have to worry about gas whatsoever.

I'm currently averaging 18MPG. Not bad for 5500lbs. :eyebulge::help:



Yeah. Some of us might be acting immature. Although that's going to happen when the OP comes in here and acts equally immature by going out of his way to absolutely trash the car that the entire website is based upon. Especially if 99% of his problems were likely from using a product in a fashion it is not normally designed for.

He should not expect and will not receive any sympathy if that is his approach.

A Yaris tugging around 800 lbs of boat it's entire life is going to go through wear items (and nearly everything he listed was wear items) quicker than a Yaris driven normally by normal people. It is a small economy subcompact. Not a towing vessel.

-C

You lack history, my friend. I've been here longer than you have, and at one point was quite an enthusiastic owner. In fact, I owned a Tercel before, and while it was a lemon as well (cracked block), I still remained a delusional Toyota fanatic. However, I've finally seen the light that Toyota is just another mediocre car manufacturer in the sea of what's available nowadays.


The car was used very briefly for towing duties (think maybe a dozen times over the year I had the hitch installed, max). Within the specifications listed by Toyota. The car was driven like gramps was taking a sunday stroll all the time (I forgot to mention - it got absurdly bad mileage considering how gentle I was to it. Lifetime average is 31MPG.) That's just nuts, considering how many folks on here brag of the absurd wheels they mount on the car (while making threads about driving 120MPH on the autobahn, I may add...) with minimal mechanical issues.

Some people are taking my hate-on for Toyota a little too personally, I guess...


One major disappointment is my tools are nearly all "small-vehicle", so Kijiji is about to see lots of action 'round my neck of the woods. :laugh:


P.S.


Any commuter that buys a truck for such duties is out of his marbles. :biggrin:

[RedStickHam]

I've had my Yaris since February 2009 and have had few problems. I agree about the tires, they were going bad at 26000 miles, so I replaced them with Michelins. I did damage a tire pressure sensor by using tire foam but other than that, the Yaris has been a great car.

[libraryelf]

I'm sorry you had so much problems with your Yaris. I bought mine in 08, and I replaced the battery last year and due a oil change. My Yarrie has driven fine. I'm 10 minutes from work when I drive, 30 minutes by bike and 45 minutes when I walk. My car loves when I do some rare open road driving. When I first go Yarrie, I drove to St. Augustine. One these days I'm going to drive down to the Keys to see how I handle the 7 to 8 hour drive to get there, I live in central FL. Good luck with your truck. We use to own Chevy S10 long bed, and by time the Chevy finally died it looked like it had been thru a war. One of the reasons I bought my Yarrie is that it remind me of my Ford Pinto, yes, a Pinto and it did get rear end twice and no explosions. The heads went bad and I bought Pontiac. Yarrie replace my "Cally" Chevy Cavalier.

[razingman]

Belt blew up?

DURP chain DURP

[Captain Slow]

Sounds like you just got a lemon, most of us on here are extremely satisfied with our Yarii.

Good luck with gas mileage (and reliability) on a Ford truck....hope you don't mind three inches of play in the steering wheel, lol. I traded a Mustang GT for my BMW (Mustang also had tons of front end play like all Fords) then traded the BMW for my Yaris and couldn't be happier with my choice.

[narly charley]

You bought a Ford...

F...ound
O...n
R...oad
D...ead

[edmscan]

A Ford ..

F..ix
O..r
R..epair
D..aily

[jpmck03]

If only he kept his old "Japanese junk" people would compliment him and tell him...

Y..ou
A..re
R..iding
I..n
S..tyle!

:wink:

[Idahotom]

F...fix
I...it
A...again
T...Tony!

Around here the good old boys claim they would rather push a Chevy then drive a Ford.

The Yaris is pretty much off their radar, imagine the local redneck watering hole In Inkom with a line of flatbed trucks and pickups with cow dogs in the back. ALL 4x4 of course (and we do need it here) and then my little white HB. Yeah I get looks but I get the last laugh at the gas pump, plus I can always out macho them anytime I want with either my crane truck (too big to fit the parking spaces though) or my 280K miles '98 Dodge Ram Diesel 1 ton flatbed if I'm feeling insecure.

[nookandcrannycar]

firemachine69,

Sorry that happened to you. I bought a 100,000 mile extended warranty for my Yaris. Kind of always regretted doing that, but after your story, maybe not. I've had zero problems with my 2010 Yaris thus far, and have around 10,300 miles on it.
I'm no expert, but it seems American car companies have a better rep with their trucks compared to their small cars. So, I'm sure you'll do fine with your F-150. Be that as it may, the way you feel about Toyota is the way I feel about American cars. I've owned so many crap American cars that were in the shop constantly that I refuse to ever buy an American car again. Ever. Probably kind of irrational on my part, but hey, my experience is my experience. Best car I ever owned was a used 1999 Corolla. Zero problems and I probably shouldn't have sold it. So, I'm hoping to have similar luck with my Yaris.
Good luck to you.

I think you'll have similar luck (similar to your Corolla):thumbsup:. I'm at 219,381 miles and prior to 200k I only had to replace (other than one instance of vandalism re a mirror cover) the front wheel bearings at 110k, the battery at 138k, 3 bulbs between 139k and 171k (one in each headlight and the one above the rear plate), and the alternator at 159k. All of my tires have been 'rated' 65k and I averaged a bit over 70.5k on the first two sets---current set put on at a bit over 141k and will soon hit 80k on that set and they should make it to 85 or 90k. Prior to 200k I had the oil changed 14 times and the air filter I think once.

I took my Yaris on a trip to Florida a few months ago and before leaving I: had the serpentine belt changed for the first time at about 207k, had the brakes checked (funny sound---just needed slight adjustment and dust removed--about $40 total---and front and rear both 80 percent remaining---only 20 percent worn in 207k), had the oil changed at about 207k,added a bit of coolant to the overflow tank (it was a bit below the line), had the spark plugs changed for the first time at about 208k, and right after the spark plugs I changed the air filter myself. I may have left something out, but I don't think so (the exact intervals are on an old post).

I had the spark plugs changed at the dealer and when they gave me the car back they told me they looked hard to see if there was anything they could recommend I take care of and the only thing they could come up with was the air filter (which I already had with me waiting to put in once the spark plugs were replaced). They said it is NOT burning oil at all.


I'll hit the Yaris' 6th Anniversary (new when delivered) in October of this year and it will be fun to see how many miles are on the odometer at that point. My Yaris still feels rock solid (:biggrin: A Wednesday car?:biggrin:). I'll likely never catch Trini nor Mazilla (as Mazilla is close to 500k and Trini is at 459k+), but I'm sure I'll be adding low cost miles for a long time to come.:biggrin: