AEM FIC to replace CamCon cc101 ??

[vten]

Ok I think some of you knew that I got the blitz supercharger from Jay .... it comes with a fixed pulley, a larger injector and the camcon .

long story short.... I let a shop to install the whole thing... and this morning they said " you need to get the aem fic to replace the camcon because of that larger injector" ....they also say that on certain high rpm, it's run too rich ... if you want to use the camcon, it may have the posibility to blow your engine "

that is scary shiiet man !! it worry me ....but at the end, I decided to get the AEM ..... is that a good decision ???

HELLLPPP guys

[1.5]

emanage?

[vten]

Yeah I'm kinda stuck with the AEM fic since they have it in stock and I really want to get my car back ASAP ....been in their shop for over a week for the blitz supercharger install .

It's a high end shop , theyre dealing with high end car and the first TT Lamborghini LP670-SV in matte white !

[blacksandiegovitz]

I'm pretty sure they got you to buy the fic from them cause I ran the camcon for almost a year with perfect air/fuel ratios and no problems

[vten]

Yup .. I think they need to make $$ somewhat ... I told them that you had tha kit for a while without any problem ... And they pulled their magic line " well we can install it but u have to sign a waiver if they're not responsible with the engine after the install " and I was like "Shiiet !! I'll get those AEM "

[cali yaris]

this morning they said "you need to get the aem fic to replace the camcon because of that larger injector" ....they also say that on certain high rpm, it's run too rich ...

So the only specific tuning issue posted here is richness at certain high rpm's? And the claim is that the CamCon can't pull fuel at those times? :iono:

Did they give any more detail? I hate shops that say "you need this" but won't explain exactly why, along with selling certain parts just because that's what they have on hand.

Re-wiring new management when the old one worked for Jay... ouch.

[Jason@SportsCar]

Yup .. I think they need to make $$ somewhat ... I told them that you had tha kit for a while without any problem ... And they pulled their magic line " well we can install it but u have to sign a waiver if they're not responsible with the engine after the install " and I was like "Shiiet !! I'll get those AEM "

They need to learn how to tune then. We used the CamCon for VVTi and fuel adjustment. It wont let you play with timing or the rev limiter, but it will do what you need. The unit they are trying to sell you wont control VVTi, you would need to step up to something like the EMS Series 2 for that.

[vten]

Man this is bs!!! It the aem cant control the vvti then what's the point They sell it to me then ??wish someone with knowledge can argue with them ... For now I'm just a sitting duck .... Arrgghhh

[vten]

Re-wiring new management when the old one worked for Jay... ouch.



I know right ..... the moolah I spent there I can use toward some goodies from you .....oh well ... I need to work 8 days a week now to recover the money Ive been spending LOL

[Focus_Sh1ft]

The fact that they're saying you're running too rich but can't remove fuel with the camcon shows that they have no idea how to use the thing...

If I were you I'd go elsewhere. The FIC is great but there's no reason to use it in place of a completely viable alternative that apparently already has a wiring harness.

[1.5]

I am still surprised that tuning with these cars is so hard. I was under the impression that Emanage (both blue & ultimate), CamCon, and FIC were all working viable sources for management but it looks like they are all still hit and miss?

[cali yaris]

^ Still has a lot to do with the tuner and knowing the details of set up.

Several people running the FI/C with no issues. Peterpoop had the eManage working just fine, but I don't know another example of that success.

[1.5]

I can understand there are not a lot of people out there requiring tuning on a Yaris but what about all the scions out there running boosted that need tuning? I even went to like one of the most reputable tuners in my area and he told me he does Hondata only??? What is that?

It is reassuring that yes there are a handful of people successfully tuned but then again its such a rarity that peterpoop and chinocharles are like the only ones successfully running greddy management. I have yet to see someone running CamCon on a turbo and even going with AEM you have to either purchase a $500 harness that is not guaranteed to even work or be able to custom wire it. On top of it you still get people on both sides of the fence like above. Some will swear by the FIC and others will slam it as no more than a paperweight.

As someone pursing boost it is just disheartening to know tuning is not going to be a sure thing.

[Focus_Sh1ft]

Outside of open source ECUs (i.e. subaru; standalone management) you're never going to have tuning as a sure thing. I don't understand why people have this misconstrued idea that tuning is so difficult on this car. It's as difficult as any other car without open source software.

Aras - the sprint 500 is 3x the price of an FIC - that's hardly viable competition. Although I agree you absolutely need to pay to play, there does become a time where you're overpaying to play. Why in the world would you need to drop more money on something other than a piggyback for management in this case? Especially one that has worked time and time again?

[Blown_xa]

I think the cam con is great for NA application, because air flow adjustments are all that are really needed. But I think the shop was right to point you in the direction of purchasing the FIC. Timing definitely needs to be pulled with forced induction applications, the cam con cannot do that. on top of that, the MAF voltage would probably max out anyways, so the cam con would have no or minimal effect on changes under boost. The FIC has the ability to clamp the voltage, thus being able to tune better for boost.
If you want the ability to tune vvt i , you can still install the cam con in conjunction with the FIC. Just leave the air flow wires disconnected. I used the cam con with my emanage years ago.

[cali yaris]

^ interesting hybrid solution.

[vten]

Interesting idea blown xa... I will forward your message to the shop ... I'm just dying waiting for my car to be done .

[cali yaris]

^ I know that feeling way too well. It's worth it though IF you get a good result. Hoping for you!

[Bluevitz-rs]

So did they finish it?

[johnny_vitz]

If you want the ability to tune vvt i , you can still install the cam con in conjunction with the FIC. Just leave the air flow wires disconnected.

That is how mine is wired in with the s/c kit (while using the emanage)

I think you can pull or add 20% of fuel with the camcon, so I can't see why they couldn't just use that. Blownxa makes a good point, you will see more gains with the combination of both vs. just using the camcon.

[vten]

decided not using the camcon...way too deep with less hp ....with SC and install , cost me about $4G ...I shouldve gone with a turbo kit....anyway I got the car back, but they still need to tune the idle... and I still dont see any prove or graph for the dynos pulled. but they said its about 125 whp .....but I need to see it in person.


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[johnny_vitz]

decided not using the camcon...way too deep with less hp ....with SC and install , cost me about $4G ...I shouldve gone with a turbo kit....anyway I got the car back, but they still need to tune the idle... and I still dont see any prove or graph for the dynos pulled. but they said its about 125 whp .....but I need to see it in person.


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They didn't even give you a printout of the dyno? Sounds a little fishy to me :iono:

[thefalls]

So,last time i tried to type a post here it got lost and i also lost patience.

Lets start again.

I currently drive a Corolla Axio GT,brought over from Japan a few weeks ago.
Its the 1NZFE turbocharged engine with modified ECU by TRD.
Which i think is the stock ECU [1NZFE] modified by TRD,they played a bit with the fueling and ignition.

It comes with the IHI turbo [ballbearing] and currently boost is set at 0.5bar. The stock power is 150ps and around 200NM of torque.

Would it be safe to run a bit more boost? Say,0.8bar? I know that these turbos are small.

So far i have no wideband but i do plan to get one eventually,as the turbocharged Toyotas do run a tad rich.
Also i plan to get a Camcon in the near future.
Do you people think it will be enough to trim down the fuel bit [ in case its running rich].

Awaiting your views regarding Camcon.

Thanks.

[cali yaris]

I know that 'pimpmyyaris' ran into trouble about 12psi on the stock motor. The general consensus is that 10 psi is a safe limit, but not very many people have pushed it to find out.

[thefalls]

Well i wont be boosting more than factory 0.5 bar. But will the camcon be able to trim down some fuel?

[Jeff@MicroImage]

PE Camcon has been discontinued for some time now, you'd have to find a used one of those. Not too many other piggy-back options on the market for your ECU, we may be able to set you up with a plug-n-play harness for the AEM FIC or you could always run the AEM Series 2 as piggy-back to the stock ECU which will give you nearly full control over all functions. If fuel is the only real variable you're concerned with, you may be able to use S-AFC also, but AEM FIC will allow injector and MAF scaling which would be nice to have.

[thefalls]

I can get my hands on a used one,thats why i was asking.
Will have to look into the AEM FIC as well.