I deleted Google Chrome!!! [Archive] - Toyota Yaris Forums

RedRide

04-13-2012, 01:01 PM

A few days ago, after hearing so much about the google chrome browser, I decided to install it and see what all the great opinions on the net of it were all about.

I should add that I am using IE8 and it never gives me any problems so, I never made chrome my default.

However, after living with it for a couple of days, I deleted it.
It is a complete joke and full of spyware, etc
I was also not any faster than IE8 is.

Today, I put out the remainder of the spyware fires that chrome installs! :mad:

Can someone please tell me what is so great about chrome?
Do people not know about the spyware content of it?
Besides, it is not nearly as full featured as IE8.

Kioshi

04-13-2012, 01:21 PM

I'm unaware of the spyware stuff you are mentionin.

I love Chrome. I went from IE to Firefox to Chrome.
Smooth sailing for me.

why?

04-13-2012, 01:24 PM

sounds like you downloaded it from someone not google. I didn't know anyone still used internet explorer.

I use both Firefox and Chrome, depending. Chrome is a great browser that loads faster and deals with each tab individually. Firefox is almost as good, but I have been using firefox forever, and it is not attached at the hip to a company that wants to know everything.

and full featured means slow.

eTiMaGo

04-13-2012, 01:31 PM

I use Chrome for personal/fun stuff, but Firefox is just more flexible for work.. when it doesn't crash for no reason :p

As for IE, well... I use it... to download FF after reinstalling a PC :laugh:

Altitude

04-13-2012, 01:54 PM

Use Firefox most of the time. Tried and didn't like Chrome. Still use IE8 from time to time (it's gotten a bad rap IMHO)

RedRide

04-13-2012, 02:15 PM

Use Firefox most of the time. Tried and didn't like Chrome. Still use IE8 from time to time (it's gotten a bad rap IMHO)

I agree.... there are many MS haters out there who wll not give IE whatever credit it deserves.

For those who are not aware of the chrome spyware.... I can just wager that it''s evident that you most likely have much (other) spyware on your sys that you are also not aware of.

The spyware that chrome installs is a data collecting spyware of your browsing history that runs in the background. Then, it automaticlly updates chrome with additioal "ads", etc based on ther data it collects on you. The chrome/google updater runs at every sys startup!
Who knows who else gets your data outlining your habits!
Even when you uninstall chrome, it still runs the data collection spyware and reports back to google at a sys startup unless you manually remove the updater/spyware.

Yes, there is never complete privacy ion the net. However, one does not leave the front door unlocked and tell the thieves where you keep your valuables and private info.

BTW, I signed out of google and you tube a while ago!
For the unaware............:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/google-tracks-consumers-across-products-users-cant-opt-out/2012/01/24/gIQArgJHOQ_story.html

cali yaris

04-13-2012, 02:32 PM

My habits are boring; they can have them.

cali yaris

04-13-2012, 02:38 PM

The move will help Google better tailor its ads to people’s tastes. If someone watches an NBA clip online and lives in Washington, the firm could advertise Washington Wizards tickets in that person’s Gmail account.

I'd much rather see a targeted ad (sometimes they are actually something I'd be interested in) than a totally random ad like you would see on TV. I don't need to ever see an ad for diapers, fast food or impotence drugs, for example. That is a waste of advertiser money, energy and resources.

ok, so besides "I don't want them to do that", what is the real danger here to me as a user? I'm unclear on that.

RedRide

04-13-2012, 02:45 PM

So, you freely give up your browsing privacy for the sake of a little covienence?
Why would anyone like giving companys the privilage of bombarding them with "taylored" ads?

Personally, I try to ingnore every ad on the net...... except for yours of course. :smile:

Kioshi

04-13-2012, 03:20 PM

they can collect my data on viewing japanese websites and car porn...

yarisugi

04-13-2012, 03:47 PM

they can collect my data on viewing car websites and japanese porn...

Fixed

RedRide

04-13-2012, 04:20 PM

Can google come to you house to observe you?
How about installing hidden cameras in your house? You got nothing to hide...... right?
It would seem that some here have no sense of privacy. IMO this is absolutly appalling!

When I uninstalled chrome, I was asked if I would fill out a short survey.
One of the very revealing questions was if I was concerened about the google chrome spyware.
Of course I answered yes!
If one is not part of the solution, they are indeed part of the problem!

There is a time and place to let corporations know of you preferences.
Via spyware in a web browser/OS is definately not one of them!

Kioshi

04-13-2012, 04:26 PM

Fixed

お前絶対無理だな！！笑

@ RedRide - Well Google technically goes around taking snapshots of people, their houses, etc.

Last year, Google presented a concept with the Android phone where you can control the lights in your room....IIR

Privacy is still there, you can choose to opt out. Google never has forced anyone to give information. People read the fine lines and click "Agree"

IE i tend to get viruses. Their security isnt as strong as FireFox or Chrome, imo.

But if it works for you, go for it :smile:

Our past and present experiences takes a huge factor in what we use to surf the web.

RedRide

04-13-2012, 04:39 PM

I read evey line of info when installing a program and I never opted into spyware or data collectiong.
I had no oportunity to opt out of any spyware while still intsalling chrome.

In any event chrome is just basic browser that is no faster than IE8.
I'm not a great MS fan but I not stupid enought to cut off my nose to spite my face.

BTW, I just cancelled a (new) credit card (it was from the bank of america that I did no really apply for as they purchased the account fron a bank that previously held the account) because they said I opted for electronic statements. I only registered for online banking where it was clearly stated that I could opt to receive eletronic statments "later" which I never did. I scoured every line for any hint of it.
What they did not say that agreeing to online baking also is agreeing to electronic statements without even mentioning electronic statements.

What some companies are currently doing wiith eletronic signtures is bordering on being ilegal, it is certianlly not honest and definately misleading!!

Kioshi

04-13-2012, 04:44 PM

I'm not a great MS fan but I not stupid enought to cut off my nose to spite my face.

Hahaha, point taken.

I probably do have an older version. It was in install file i saved on my external hard drive and use that to install Chrome.

I'm always reluctant to update any firmmare...they usually have more security features holding a lockdown on my choices (OTA updates for smartphones :tongue:)

RedRide

04-13-2012, 05:46 PM

Yes, IE it the top rated browser spyware is being use for as it's stiil the world most popular browser just like most viruses are written for windows as it's the most populat OS

However IE does not come with spyware out of the box as chrome does

The washington post article as much as it sounds scary is nothing more than a marketing scheme designed to scare you into buying anti spyware and anti virus software
I'm sorry but I refuse to beleive one corporation defending another. It's like a politician defending a member of his own party no matter how guilty they are of something. Most all newspers anymore are just coporate rags and they are not socially conscious.

BTW, I would be very careful about ignoring those who may yell "fire" as it just may cause you you to burn one day. :wink:

cali yaris

04-13-2012, 06:26 PM

So, you freely give up your browsing privacy for the sake of a little covienence?

Sure, why not? As I said before, "I just don't like it" is a fine answer for you and I respect it. BUT, my question about the real danger hasn't been addressed. What is the real danger to me of my browsing activity being recorded, with my permission?

And I did not say that my whole life is open for review, nor would I be comfortable if it was. You can try to translate one form of privacy into another if you like, but they are not the same.

Do you not drive on the freeway or through intersections because there are freeway and intersection cameras? or go into a bank, or convenience store, or enter any mall?

This argument can get silly very quickly. I'd like to keep it focused on internet browsing per the OP's topic. ok?

cali yaris

04-13-2012, 06:28 PM

Further, you are going to get ads. Are you saying targeted ads with (hopefully) more relevant content are worse than random ads? That makes no sense, given that you are going to be exposed to ads anyway.

cali yaris

04-13-2012, 07:56 PM

good points. what's the 2 minute trick? :biggrin:

why?

04-13-2012, 08:09 PM

RedRide

04-13-2012, 08:19 PM

Sure, why not? As I said before, "I just don't like it" is a fine answer for you and I respect it. BUT, my question about the real danger hasn't been addressed. What is the real danger to me of my browsing activity being recorded, with my permission?............

It's like this...... I don't have anything to hide..... however this does no mean that I allow anyone to secretely spy into my windows.
If anyone can not understand this concept, I truly do not know what else to say.
Also, do you know exactly what info is being collected and exactly what is being done with it?
I think you will agree that not absoloutly everthing one does on the net should be public knowledge.
Even if it is perfecly legal and moral, some things are still private.

RedRide

04-13-2012, 08:40 PM

there is no such thing as privacy anywhere, no matter what. That is the first thing everyone must realize.

Secondly, there never was anything such as privacy on the internet. There never will be. Any time you enter something into a browser, it sends it to another computer. Thus no more privacy. Google, Apple and other insanely large businesses have the capacity to save everything anyone ever does on the web, all the time every time. So every browser you use will have every browsing session you have ever had stored somewhere. Google especially is known for buying server farms by the acre, but they are not the only one. They also have their own server architecture, firmware, and software to access it all as quickly as possible.

The only way to have privacy on the internet is to never use the internet. And in reality that is not enough, because all yellow pages and almost all directories in paper have an internet version as well.

The time has come for you to be comfortable and happy for everyone to know everything about you, because that will be the reality sooner rather than later.

The problem is that googe has steped a bit over the line of not informing the consumer what their sofware is doning.

Granted, there have always been spyware/trojan programs but, with google chrome, (among some others) this has gone mainsteam big time. It is no longer a pactice of small dishonest, often freeware software peddlers.
Also, even when you uninstall chrome, the spyware remains. At least I'm computer savy so, I was able to track it down and manualy delete the files and prevent from from running any fraction of it I could not delete.
However what about those who are not as computer savy?

why?

04-13-2012, 09:27 PM

The problem is that googe has steped a bit over the line of not informing the consumer what their sofware is doning.

Granted, there have always been spyware/trojan programs but, with google chrome, (among some others) this has gone mainsteam big time. It is no longer a pactice of small dishonest, often freeware software peddlers.
Also, even when you uninstall chrome, the spyware remains. At least I'm computer savy so, I was able to track it down and manualy delete the files and prevent from from running any fraction of it I could not delete.
However what about those who are not as computer savy?

it doesn't matter? 90% of computer use is the net. and again, you are labeling it wrong. spyware & trojans render computers dead and unusable. nothing you download that is suppose to come with chrome falls into that category. unless you really did download it from somewhere you should not of, you saw nothing anyone else would call spyware or trojans.

RedRide

04-14-2012, 12:17 PM

it doesn't matter? 90% of computer use is the net. and again, you are labeling it wrong. spyware & trojans render computers dead and unusable. nothing you download that is suppose to come with chrome falls into that category. unless you really did download it from somewhere you should not of, you saw nothing anyone else would call spyware or trojans.

Tojans and spyware "render computers dead and unusable."????
You are seriously misinformed!!!!! :eek:

For one thing, trojan/spyware software by definition works in the background without the victim being aware of it.
It is usually a "call home" type of malicious software that gives no obvious signs to the computer user.

This is also true of many viruses! By definition, a computer virus is any program that is installed without the uses permission that cause any malicious activity and can be passed on to others. A virus can still leave the compuer mostly usable and can often be undetectable for the most part.
Also, a virus can also be a trojan with no obvious signs.

Only the most serious viruses can render a computer dead and/or unusable.

BTW, also by definition, spyware is a trojan!

why?

04-14-2012, 04:36 PM

Tojans and spyware "render computers dead and unusable."????
You are seriously misinformed!!!!! :eek:

For one thing, trojan/spyware software by definition works in the background without the victim being aware of it.
It is usually a "call home" type of malicious software that gives no obvious signs to the computer user.

This is also true of many viruses! By definition, a computer virus is any program that is installed without the uses permission that cause any malicious activity and can be passed on to others. A virus can still leave the compuer mostly usable and can often be undetectable for the most part.
Also, a virus can also be a trojan with no obvious signs.

Only the most serious viruses can render a computer dead and/or unusable.

BTW, also by definition, spyware is a trojan!

that's where i disagree, show me a computer that has been co-opted by a botnet, or has a keylogger or other such malicious software that you'd actually want to use? That's unusable by me.

But you want to rant and rave and go insane about something the rest of the tech world simply says, "meh," to, be my guest. I can't wait to see your reaction when we join london and europe in video recording every mm of the entire nation. The future is coming fast, privacy was never meant to actually exist beyond your physical living space, and now it probably won't exist their either.

RedRide

04-14-2012, 07:16 PM

I believe you are grasping for straws now. :wink:
It appears that you are the one who is "ranting and raving".

why?

04-14-2012, 08:37 PM

both of you need to calm down. The fact is, if you spend more than 2 minutes with Chrome and set it up to the way you like it, it will be the best browser you ever used.

amen

catliektheif

04-15-2012, 12:01 AM

this. http://browseryoulovedtohate.com/post/19346319467

RedRide

04-15-2012, 12:39 AM

both of you need to calm down. The fact is, if you spend more than 2 minutes with Chrome and set it up to the way you like it, it will be the best browser you ever used.

The best? That is simply one's opinion.:smile:

RedRide

04-15-2012, 11:36 AM

no no its not one's opinion. just browse the reviews and tests and you will realize it is the best and not just MY opinion. It is the only browser that was left unbeaten in all the previous Pwn2Own competitions only being hacked this year and within 24hours the security hole was patched up.

Anyways Im not trying to tell you what to run on your machine, just trying to make you realize that you are misinformed and riding the paranoia train.
I did not say it was not a good or acceptable browser... it certainly was not slower (or faster) than IE8.

Chrome has an appeal to many who like a minimalist interface. However IE can be configured much the same. Personally, I never run IE as it comes "out of the box"

Some have said that I need to configure chrome.
Perghaps those who do not like IE do not bother to configer that?
This is not to metion those who simply do not like IE soley because it is from MS.
Also, how many who use chrome have even used a later vers of IE and configerd it properly?
As far os chrome not being part of the OS..... it is intergrated with it none the less.. it could not function otherwise. The sole difference with IE is you can not uninstall it.

In any event, I like the interface with a properly comfigured IE8 (as I like it) and it does not have the call home spyware like chrome that remains even when you uninstall chrome.

Also, anyone who thinks chrome does not have its own security issues has a serious false sense of security.

BTW, world wide IE is still the most popular and wildly use browser.

A far as not having privacy on the net, yes, I fully unserstand that...... I got my first computer back in 1980.
However, why are some williing to hand over their house keys to a thief because they are not the only thief in the neighborhood?

We can continue to race around in circles over this but, what is the point?
After all is said and done, there are those who like chrome as well as those who like IE and chrome will still have call home spyware. :smile:

RedRide

04-15-2012, 01:07 PM

I give up also. :smile:

First some say chrome has no/veryfew security issues but, then say it needs to be constantly updated to fix security issues. :iono:

From a "PC World" article that generally praises chrome................

"........Chrome also installs the Googleupdate.exe application, scheduled to run automatically in Windows Vista Task Scheduler, which frequently dials home (although only when the user is logged on and the computer is idle) and checks for browser (and other Google application) updates, and silently installs them. This is a great way to keep the browser up to date (patches are currently applied more frequently than once a week), but it riles many security administrators because there is no notification of the outward-bound search, no notification of pending patches, and no approval requested for patches to be applied; plus, this behavior cannot be easily changed.".......

The question that begs to be asked is what info is being sent back to google and hence the marketing word, etc based on your browsing habits.
Let's get real here........ the only real reasons google gives out a free browser is to collect marketing data from it users and to have a place to run and/or sell advetising and pomote it own interests.:wink:

cali yaris

04-15-2012, 01:32 PM

Did anyone notice that my question never gets answered? :rolleyes:

If "I just don't want them to do that" is your only answer, just say so.

my question about the real danger hasn't been addressed. What is the real danger to me of my browsing activity being recorded

RedRide

04-15-2012, 04:08 PM

Did anyone notice that my question never gets answered? :rolleyes

If "I just don't want them to do that" is your only answer, just say so.

I did answer it several posts back.
I stated to the effect that even though I have have nothing to hide, I still do not want anyone spying on me.
Honestly, is that so dificult to understand? :wink:

RedRide

04-15-2012, 04:14 PM

cali yaris

04-15-2012, 04:35 PM

I stated to the effect that even though I have have nothing to hide, I still do not want anyone spying on me.

That didn't answer my question, if you read it carefully.

So you are agreeing that there is no real and present danger to me personally by allowing it, but that you don't want them to do it. Yes?

Honestly, is that so dificult to understand?

Is that a real question, or just a weak attempt to be mean? The answer is no. I have a real question, in the context of real life, for my own internet usage that hasn't been answered by you. Please?

RedRide

04-15-2012, 07:41 PM

That didn't answer my question, if you read it carefully.

So you are agreeing that there is no real and present danger to me personally by allowing it, but that you don't want them to do it. Yes?

Is that a real question, or just a weak attempt to be mean? The answer is no. I have a real question, in the context of real life, for my own internet usage that hasn't been answered by you. Please?

Not trying to be mean .... are you?
I'm just a bit frustrated of going round in circles here.
Why is it so difficult to understand the simple concept that even though I have nothing to hide, I still do not want anyone spying on me?

I fail to see your point. Are you saying that many others don't mind the spyware so, why should I? :iono:

cali yaris

04-15-2012, 08:28 PM

Not commenting about your point of view. Don't care about it, frankly -- you make your choices that work for you. I haven't criticized you at all, in any post for the choices you are making. I've only asked questions, none of which you have answered. I have indicated my respect for your choices.

I'm asking what the danger is to me of allowing Google Chrome to "record" my activity. I've asked it three or four times now, and you either won't or can't answer the question.

You keep saying you don't like it, you don't want it, you want your privacy, etc. I think WE GOT IT. I know I did. It does NOT address my question.

To use your own words:

Honestly, is that so dificult to understand?

I can't be any more clear -- so instead, I'll be done. :smile:

{unsubscribed}

escotric

04-16-2012, 05:21 AM

I work in Tier 2 Techinical support at Foxit Software (We provide PDF alternatives similiar to Adobe) Its 50/50 when it comes to search. 50% is the browser, 50% is the search engine. My 2 cents in web browsing:

Chrome - Everything is sandboxed, meaning it's secure. However, it does use more memory and yes everything you search is placed on Google servers (semi government). No biggie unless ur searching for weird illegal pornography or planning a plot of evil. I recommend Chrome for browsing and going on forums. Its language runs scripts very quickly and soon Chrome will be on every desktop. (really.)

Firefox - Good ol mozilla. I recommending downloading addons "Noscript" and "Ad Blocker" those two addons are life savers when it comes to pure web surfing. (Whatever you want) Firefox is under the non profit jumbo with MS holding its back. Lots of great addons and most webservices are compatible. Good alternative to IE.

IE - Hate it. Crippled and has bunch of holes. I mean it comes with MS and its the main browser that everyone uses but IMO, if you're using IE for everything, you dont really know jack bout computers or tech. lol.

Search Engines :

Google : Simple boom, if you have no gmail account theres really nothing to be tripping about. If you're using gmail and chrome and have an android device, Everything is tracked and is backed up in the Google servers. Great service IMO but they're adsense is getting annoying. lets say ur web browsing and window shopping, lookin at some neat car seats and decide to say naaahh dont want em, you will be seeing car seats ads left n right after clicking out of that page or relogging on. Its a new type of marketing approach every web service is touching.

Yahoo, Bing, Alta Vista, w.e - all the same thing.

I miss Scroogle though, it was a hybrid site hosted by major hackers/geeks that found a way to use Google's search without having it traced back to Googles search log.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroogle

Anywho, Just use Firefox with the plugsins Noscript and Ad Blocker Plus and you're good to go. :headbang:

RedRide

04-16-2012, 11:58 AM

Chrome - Everything is sandboxed, meaning it's secure. However, it does use more memory and yes everything you search is placed on Google servers (semi government). No biggie unless ur searching for weird illegal pornography or planning a plot of evil. I recommend Chrome for browsing and going on forums. Its language runs scripts very quickly and soon Chrome will be on every desktop. (really.)

I think you guys are failing to understand my point for the most part.
Yes everthing can be sandboxed (not 100% fool proof) and it has good security, not perfect but good.

However, this is seperate from googles call home marketing spyway. This is all perfecly legal as it burried in the EULA.

As far as Fire Fox is concerned, I may try it.:smile:

The chrome EUlA/privacy statment
http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/privacy.html?brand=CHMB.

Personaly I was aways a "stick and rudder" computer user since the C-64 and I do no feel comfotable not having control of so many call home features of chrome.

For example...... it's like this.... a cell phone may be able to track all you locations when your phone its turned on, however it's what they do with that info is what is important.

Anyway, I''m out of here also.

cali yaris

04-16-2012, 12:23 PM

I miss Scroogle though,

Doesn't incognito mode prevent logging?

Does Dogpile.com do that as well? It's one of my favorite search methods.

tomato

04-16-2012, 11:31 PM

... I don't need to ever see an ad for diapers, fast food or impotence drugs, for example...

TMI but good to know, Garm. :wink: :laugh:

Sorry, guys, just trying to lighten things up in here. :smile:

Just for you, OP ...

check out Google Homeview on Youtube.

http://youtu.be/-U7Nmy-1xrk

(personally, I find it hilarious but I get that there is some truth to it :wink: )

why?

04-17-2012, 01:52 PM

Again..... everyone seems so certain about exactly what google spyware sends home even though they really have no real idea what it consists of. People are simply making assumptions.
People seem to be defending chrome on blind faith born of a dislike for MS.

Almost to a person we all use MS software on a day to day basis. It is almost impossible not to. I don't care what google sends home, if they don't track it, apple, the government, or countless other companies looking to sell it do. The only way to not be tracked is to go get a 100% secure 100% encrypted VPN. And even that won't work if they track you before you hit the vpn.

Not trying to be mean .... are you?
I'm just a bit frustrated of going round in circles here.
Why is it so difficult to understand the simple concept that even though I have nothing to hide, I still do not want anyone spying on me?

I fail to see your point. Are you saying that many others don't mind the spyware so, why should I? :iono:

The concept is easy to understand. It is just not possible in this day and age.

Doesn't incognito mode prevent logging?Does Dogpile.com do that as well? It's one of my favorite search methods.

To answer your original question, no it is not going to hurt you, or anyone else.

It does not. It technically does, but both firefox and google have been proven to allow add ons to track you even in icognito mode. If you really want to try to be secure without paying a VPN you can download TOR:https://www.torproject.org/ The problem is the second you put in any personal info, or log into a forum you frequent, there is no anonymous anymore. At this point google, the gov't and anyone else that wants to pay google isn't looking to see what you are doing, they are playing a gigantic game of connect the dots. They pretty much know who everyone is, what they like and dislike, they just need to match up your online habits with the person. It is pretty easy to do when you are starting up with a database of everything. I mean that literally, there are databases that can find everything you never wanted anyone to know about you with just an e-mail address. SS#, address, relatives, where you work, phone numbers, etc. None of it is private any more. They already know everything, there is nothing to hide anymore.

JumpmanYaris

04-17-2012, 02:59 PM

::Pulls out some popcorn l::

RedRide

04-17-2012, 04:29 PM

::Pulls out some popcorn l::
I got my pop corn.
It's great being a spectator at the show.:biggrin:

RedRide

05-05-2012, 06:26 PM

What about the (free) "Comodo Dragon" browser?
Anyone try it it?
It sounds interesting.

http://www.comodo.com/home/browsers-toolbars/browser.php

why?

05-05-2012, 10:56 PM

how does it work? If it is really just based off of chrome there really isn't any extra security. At least TOR hides who is browsing what as long as you don't enter any personal info.

My biggest question is who are these people? I've never heard of them.

Real internet security starts with a vpn, something like this. (http://www.strongvpn.com/packages_usa.shtml?gclid=CMSItYzJ6q8CFUFo4AodzzTP2 A)

The best ones keep zero records, are fully encrypted from your modem to their facility, have thousands of random ip's which you will connect to randomly, the best ones allow multiple people to use the exact same ip address at the same time so no one can track anything. Most importantly, they totally ignore what you are doing online.

The only way to track one of these is to have a physical box hooked up right to your outgoing internet connection, before it hits your internet providers systems.