For the price of a Prius...

[carolinablue]

For the price of a Prius you can buy a Yaris and enough gas to drive about 108,500 mi figuring $3.50 a gallon and 38 mpg if you can buy a Prius for $24,000 and a Yaris for $14,000.
Based on an approximate difference in mpg of 10mpg, it would take around 400,000 miles of driving to recapture the difference in purchase price of the Prius by gas savings.

[Billiam]

But that's only if your looking at just MPG. The Prius is much more of a car than the Yaris is.....more room, more features, more compliant ride, etc., etc. And the Prius V takes the practicality thing to a whole new level.

[TPA5]

The Prius' interior isn't as nice as I thought it would be, especially comparing it to the new Yaris. The gap is close. The Prius however would make more sense for a family than a Yaris. Really it boils down to finding a balance between budget/needs/wants, and finding the car that fits.

[goliath1812]

Not sure where you are, but my local dealership has the Prius c for $19000, and the lowest Yaris I've seen is between 15 and 16000. With the additional features of the Prius over the Yaris, it doesn't sound like a bad deal at all.

[tooter]

You have just explained why there are so many different kinds of vehicles offered for sale. Everyone has different expectations of what they want in a car. The Yaris and the Prius each appeal to a different kind of person.

I'm a Yaris person... so I go for cheap basic no frills frugal practical economical transportation. So for me the premium on the cost of a Prius would only be a waste of my money.

[mr9865]

Not sure where you are, but my local dealership has the Prius c for $19000, and the lowest Yaris I've seen is between 15 and 16000. With the additional features of the Prius over the Yaris, it doesn't sound like a bad deal at all.

Not typical but i got mine for 14000 out the door

[Billiam]

But that's only if your looking at just MPG. The Prius is much more of a car than the Yaris is.....more room, more features, more compliant ride, etc., etc. And the Prius V takes the practicality thing to a whole new level.
My above comment was based on the regular Prius/Prius V to the C. The difference may tighten up when comparing the Yaris and the C. But it's apples to oranges when comparing the Yaris to the regular Prius. I test drove both the Yaris and Pruis several times before deciding on the Yaris. The Pruis was a vastly superior car. In the end, it came down to writing a check for the Yaris or financing some of the Prius. However, if I were buying a car right now, there would be a white Pruis V in my garage.

[MadMax]

I'm a Yaris person... so I go for cheap basic no frills frugal practical economical transportation. So for me the premium on the cost of a Prius would only be a waste of my money.

You and me both. I've ridden in the Prius and was less than impressed. Too much 'Star Trek' shit in it and while it may be more comfortable to drive I found it boring and lacking any potential for fun. Uninspiring, to say the least.

Plus there's that alwful stigma of driving a Prius, from that smug factor made fun of on South Park to the constant badgering on Top Gear (the good one, not the shitty US version!).

Being a Jeep owner I constantly see the self-righteousness of Prius owners on a regular basis, too bad they are clueless as to how much damage their cars (mainly the batteries) have/will do to the environment in the long run.

Can ya tell I'm not a fan?!? :biggrin:

[tooter]

Plus there's that alwful stigma of driving a Prius...

Where I live, all the liberal females drive Priuses. Wouldn't be caught dead in one.

"Feels like I'm riding in a vagina."

--Mark Wahlberg, in "The other Guys"

[Billiam]

So be it.....but I'd gladly drive a "vagina". I couldn't possibly care any less about what others think of me based on what I drive. If I did, I certainly would not be driving a Yaris. :thumbsup:

[tooter]

I know...while the Yaris is my wife's car and I get the fun of pimping it out... it's not accepted as a female liberal car here because it's not "green" enough. ;)

[mazilla]

Ugh...my dad wants to get a Prius. He has more than enough money to buy whatever car he wants(in cash) and is all about the freaking Prius. I hope he changes his mind!!!


I always pictured my dad retiring with a nice Bentley or some Italian sports-car, I can't picture him rolling in a Prius, it's like a slap in the face.


If you'll excuse me I'm going to work on my Prius voodoo-doll...I need every bit of help I can get to change his mind. ;)

[Volcano]

In my view the Prius is a totally useless piece of crap.
The only purpose it does serve in fact is making the
owners feeling good about driving one.

Whenever I am in the tree hugging mood I consequently
ride the bicycle rather than driving any car. Basta.

(Btw I did the 30000 km with my 3 Cyl Yaris with an average of
4.8 ltrs per 100 km.)

[why?]

While I would never buy a Pruis on gas mileage alone, if you compare it to most midsize cars, it compares pretty well. Especially considering most midsize cars are sold as 4 cylinder slushboxes.

You simply cannot compare it to the Yaris. The Prius is superior in every way, from interior quality to audio quality, features, gas mileage of course, etc.

[mazilla]

While I would never buy a Pruis on gas mileage alone, if you compare it to most midsize cars, it compares pretty well. Especially considering most midsize cars are sold as 4 cylinder slushboxes.

You simply cannot compare it to the Yaris. The Prius is superior in every way, from interior quality to audio quality, features, gas mileage of course, etc.


I'll smash on a shitty Prius in my yaris...so it's not superior in EVERY way. :biggrin:

[Altitude]

Not that it's a big deal - but I hardly think 38mpg is the average. I've had mine since 2008 and my lifetime average is 34mpg. People getting more than that are far fewer than those getting the manufacturer rated values or lower.

[tooter]

That sounds reasonably true...
Our average so far has been a steady 35+ for a combination of city stop and go traffic, steady rural driving below 50mph, but no 5th gear freeway driving.

I checked some Prius postings of gas mileage and their realistic average looks to be 50 mpg.

So a yaris does 11.4 cents a mile... while a Prius does 8 cents a mile for an average savings of 3.4 cents a mile.

So 100,000 Prius miles saves you $3,400 over 100,000 Yaris miles... which, only for me, is not close to justifying the difference in cost.

Not to mention the replacement cost of a battery which is about $3,000 from Toyota with an advertized life of about 150,000 miles.

[12 yaris]

Love My Yaris,Basic transportation,A/C,A.T.,MPG is good enough for me.
:thumbsup:

[Rain]

Not sure where you are, but my local dealership has the Prius c for $19000, and the lowest Yaris I've seen is between 15 and 16000. With the additional features of the Prius over the Yaris, it doesn't sound like a bad deal at all.

The Prius C One has less features that I like than my Vios, namely cruise control. I only considered getting one because it came in Orange(Habanero) but the wait was three months and they want MSRP. I'm sure I can get another Yaris under MSRP. My '07 one was $15k out the door but thats because my parents bought all the extra warranty crap, should have only been $12k and it came with convenience package and 15" wheels

[Slasher]

I test drove a Prius C... It is decked out Yaris... Features were nice, but when you start talking real numbers or price:

Straight MSRP + options... and I was only able to find a four and one's that had $1200 worth of options... In my test drive my avg mpg was under 50mpg....

one $18950
two $19900
Three $21635
four $23320

Yaris L stick there was room to deal...

$13895 with carpet mats... but first tank was over 41 mpg (real world No interstate...)

So it came down to value... so for a minimum of $6000.00 price difference I should be able to buy 1714 gallons of gas and go over 71000 miles...

Regular Prius some story except...

MSRP starts at $24000 so a difference of over $10,000...

Those # are huge!!! 2857 gal gas for 117,000 miles...

I am not knocking the Prius... It is good for what it designed for... Unfortunately once the batteries are calculated in... I think it is a wash!!!

Just either out of being more green or eco-minded or even status symbol.... I chalk it up to the Green Tax or Value added marketting..,

But in all honesty... I prefer a 3 dr stick over the Prius... The feedback is there, just wish i had the power windows and keyless entry...:w00t:

[Scubaru Steve]

Don't forget every 5 years you must replace the batteries in the Prius! and that's thousands of dollars!

id rather own the diesel Yaris, i bet that would have the same mileage as a Prius.

[12 yaris]

Why do we keep discussing the Prius?The Yaris is a better deal all the way around.
Maybe someone should start a Priusworld(Riding In A Vagina) Enthusiast Site.

I am not insulting anyone's intellegence,If you have one and are happy,great.

[tooter]

I am not insulting anyone's intelligence...

...but you're being insensitive to the feelings of others.

http://www.fuckfrance.com/images/i553/224410.904crying_baby.jpg


:wink:

[12 yaris]

MOMMMMMMYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!

[why?]

they discuss it because it makes them feel better about what they bought, plus the odds of finding a prius owner on here is slim at best.

[Billiam]

they discuss it because it makes them feel better about what they bought
It's the same way with Yaris owners around here. Things are said that make one feel better about what they bought. You'll find that on any auto forum.

[tooter]

It's the same way with Yaris owners around here. Things are said that make one feel better about what they bought. You'll find that on any auto forum.

Exactly. :smile:

Everyone believes they've made the best choice.
That's why they chose it.:thumbsup:

[nookandcrannycar]

Ugh...my dad wants to get a Prius. He has more than enough money to buy whatever car he wants(in cash) and is all about the freaking Prius. I hope he changes his mind!!!


I always pictured my dad retiring with a nice Bentley or some Italian sports-car, I can't picture him rolling in a Prius, it's like a slap in the face.


If you'll excuse me I'm going to work on my Prius voodoo-doll...I need every bit of help I can get to change his mind. ;)

LOL! I don't like the Prius either. It is too big and (given its cost) should be a more inspiring drive in many ways, one being IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION (I know...the CVT = best MPG for most people and supposedly compliments this incantation of the engine best). Even given all of this, THE WORST THING ABOUT THE PRIUS IN MY MIND IS THE FEELING I GET WHILE SITTING IN ONE. Car and Driver referred to the first US produced VW Rabbits as 'THE MALIBUIZATION OF VOLKSWAGEN'. They weren't referring to Malibu, California directly, they were referring to what had happened to the Chevrolet Malibu.....how it has become generic, numbing, stark, and devoid of sufficient design personality, respect, common sense, etc........not being a driver's car. However possibly illogical, this is what I think of when sitting in a Prius. I also feel that coming out with a PRIUS 'WAGON' shows that people who feel as I do aren't targets for these cars.

[nookandcrannycar]

The Prius C One has less features that I like than my Vios, namely cruise control. I only considered getting one because it came in Orange(Habanero) but the wait was three months and they want MSRP. I'm sure I can get another Yaris under MSRP. My '07 one was $15k out the door but thats because my parents bought all the extra warranty crap, should have only been $12k and it came with convenience package and 15" wheels

I was at the St. John Town Center in Jacksonville, Florida in April and a local dealership had a Prius C on display in that shade of Orange. It is quite a striking color (in a good way) on that particular car.

[nookandcrannycar]

Why do we keep discussing the Prius?The Yaris is a better deal all the way around.
Maybe someone should start a Priusworld(Riding In A Vagina) Enthusiast Site.

I am not insulting anyone's intellegence,If you have one and are happy,great.

Perhaps most of the Prius owners in PA are women (or emasculated men?), but this isn't really the vibe in the SF Bay Area...where many people feel as though people (female and many male buyers) are making an intentionally politically correct statement (and an intentionally smug one) buy buying a Prius...and many buyers (one can tell by querying them) know next to nothing about the car.

[nookandcrannycar]

You have just explained why there are so many different kinds of vehicles offered for sale. Everyone has different expectations of what they want in a car. The Yaris and the Prius each appeal to a different kind of person.

I'm a Yaris person... so I go for cheap basic no frills frugal practical economical transportation. So for me the premium on the cost of a Prius would only be a waste of my money.

This ^^^^ , with the key adjectives (for me) being frugal and practical.

[nookandcrannycar]

they discuss it because it makes them feel better about what they bought, plus the odds of finding a prius owner on here is slim at best.

Why? I usually agree with you, but not on this one. On this forum alone, think of how many people list 3 or more cars they own. While they might have large families and need those cars and can only afford a Yaris or similar the choices they have made for the other cars they list, I think, tend to discount that possibility. All of the members of my extended family can easily afford a Prius, yet a vast majority of us choose to spend less than the cost of a Prius when purchasing a car.....and I know people outside our family with a greater degree of wealth who go to far greater extremes when it comes to frugality re their cars......I know....I know.....anecdotal evidence. I do, however, agree with you that very few, if any, Prius owners visit Yarisworld.

[nookandcrannycar]

LOL! I don't like the Prius either. It is too big and (given its cost) should be a more inspiring drive in many ways, one being IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION (I know...the CVT = best MPG for most people and supposedly compliments this incantation of the engine best). Even given all of this, THE WORST THING ABOUT THE PRIUS IN MY MIND IS THE FEELING I GET WHILE SITTING IN ONE. Car and Driver referred to the first US produced VW Rabbits as 'THE MALIBUIZATION OF VOLKSWAGEN'. They weren't referring to Malibu, California directly, they were referring to what had happened to the Chevrolet Malibu.....how it has become generic, numbing, stark, and devoid of sufficient design personality, respect, common sense, etc........not being a driver's car. However possibly illogical, this is what I think of when sitting in a Prius. I also feel that coming out with a PRIUS 'WAGON' shows that people who feel as I do aren't targets for these cars.

Oops! Too tired......should have written: Chevrolet Malibu....how it HAD become.... (not has become)

[Rain]

I was at the St. John Town Center in Jacksonville, Florida in April and a local dealership had a Prius C on display in that shade of Orange. It is quite a striking color (in a good way) on that particular car.

I also like the Metallic Rain, unexplicable color... it's like blue but not really

[Billiam]

"Snobs", "emasculated men"....Really? Man you guys are very judgemental. I'd gladly own a Prius or Prius V (and certainly could) and I'm neither snobby and most certainly not emasculated.....and not even a tree-hugger for that matter.

Since some of you seems quite worried about people's perception of you if you drove a Prius, you do understand that you drive a Yaris, right? Many of the "non manly" adjectives that you've used to describe Prius owners can be used to describe Yaris owners too. But you'd have to add "cheap" and/or non-affluent as well....because, outside of YarisWorld which accounts for a tiny portion of actual Yaris owners, most people's perception of the Yaris and the people who drive a Yaris is that it's a cheap, tin-can, econo-car and it's all the person driving it could afford.

I promise you that the "Yaris cool factor" that we like to tout around here is almost completely nonexistent out in the rest of the world. :thumbsup:

Oh...for the record...by far, woman out number men, I'd say 10 to 1 as Yaris owners around here anyway. Maybe you guys could hang some of the those big truck-nuts from the back bumper of your Yaris and people might not notice what feminine little shit boxes you drive. :laugh:

[mazilla]

"Snobs", "emasculated men"....Really? Man you guys are very judgemental. I'd gladly own a Prius or Prius V (and certainly could) and I'm neither snobby and most certainly not emasculated.....and not even a tree-hugger for that matter.

Since some of you seems quite worried about people's perception of you if you drove a Prius, you do understand that you drive a Yaris, right? Many of the "non manly" adjectives that you've used to describe Prius owners can be used to describe Yaris owners too. But you'd have to add "cheap" and/or non-affluent as well....because, outside of YarisWorld which accounts for a tiny portion of actual Yaris owners, most people's perception of the Yaris and the people who drive a Yaris is that it's a cheap, tin-can, econo-car and it's all the person driving it could afford.

I promise you that the "Yaris cool factor" that we like to tout around here is almost completely nonexistent out in the rest of the world. :thumbsup:

Oh...for the record...by far, woman out number men, I'd say 10 to 1 as Yaris owners around here anyway. Maybe you guys could hang some of the those big truck-nuts from the back bumper of your Yaris and people might not notice what feminine little shit boxes you drive. :laugh:


Wow, you "could" own one if you wanted...you must be hella rich. :rolleyes:

On the topic of "cool factor" I'm constantly getting compliments from the general public(often drivers of other modified vehicles) which is something one in 10,000 Prius owners might get...the Yaris is definitely "cooler" than the Prius, no question about it.

The only feminine shitbox around here seems to come from KY. :thumbsup: :wink:

[Billiam]

Wow, you "could" own one if you wanted...you must be hella rich. :rolleyes:

On the topic of "cool factor" I'm constantly getting compliments from the general public(often drivers of other modified vehicles) which is something one in 10,000 Prius owners might get...the Yaris is definitely "cooler" than the Prius, no question about it.

The only feminine shitbox around here comes from KY. :thumbsup: :biggrinjester:

So your opinion is fact, huh? :wink:

Yes...I could easily be driving a Pruis. I hardly think driving a $26K car means one is "hella rich". :confused:

And you do understand that I own a Yaris, right? The "feminine shitbox" is not my description of the Yaris, but rather other people's perception of it. Clearly that went over your head. :biggrin:

Interesting that this has been a "beat up the Pruis" thread and somehow that's ok. But if someone says or even implies that the Yaris is not God's gift to the automotive world pantys get wadded up. :laugh:

Though you brought Kentucky into the mix I'll refrain from dragging California into this....though the temptation is quite strong. :drool:

[mazilla]

So your opinion is fact, huh? :wink:

Yes...I could easily be driving a Pruis. I hardly think driving a $26K car means one is "hella rich". :confused:

Sarcasm

And you do understand that I own a Yaris, right? The "feminine shitbox" is not my description of the Yaris, but rather other people's perception of it. Clearly that went over your head. :biggrin:

Obviously


Interesting that this has been a "beat up the Pruis" thread and somehow that's ok. But if someone says or even implies that the Yaris is not God's gift to the automotive world pantys get wadded up. :laugh:

Though you brought Kentucky into the mix I'll refrain from dragging California into this....though the temptation is quite strong. :drool:

That'd be too easy!


:biggrin:

[Billiam]

That'd be too easy!


:biggrin:

Indeed. :wink:

[tooter]

"Snobs", "emasculated men"....Really? Man you guys are very judgemental.

Judgements aren't only negative rejections.
Acceptance and approval are also judgements. :wink:

...because, outside of YarisWorld which accounts for a tiny portion of actual Yaris owners, most people's perception of the Yaris and the people who drive a Yaris is that it's a cheap, tin-can, econo-car and it's all the person driving it could afford.

I'm actually proud of that cheap econo-car perception. :smile:

Because I live within my means I was able to save up enough money to buy a brand new one without being a slave to a car loan.

I promise you that the "Yaris cool factor" that we like to tout around here is almost completely nonexistent out in the rest of the world. :thumbsup:

I agree... but for me, cool is not as important as cheap reliable transportation.

Oh...for the record...by far, woman out number men, I'd say 10 to 1 as Yaris owners around here anyway. Maybe you guys could hang some of the those big truck-nuts from the back bumper of your Yaris and people might not notice what feminine little shit boxes you drive. :laugh:

It's the same here, Bill...
Where I live, it's 84% Democrat... and here, the Prius is the feminine political symbol of liberalism. :laugh:

[Billiam]

I'm actually proud of that cheap econo-car perception. :smile:

Because I live within my means I was able to save up enough money to buy a brand new one without being a slave to a car loan.

I can completely respect that. :thumbsup:

I have no issues with the Yaris, as I own one. In fact, I own 2...a liftback and a sedan. So clearly being at least a bit frugal is important to me. And what others think of me because I drive a Yaris is obviously not important to me either. I just find it rather entertaining to listen to others bash the Prius as if the rest of the world somehow "looks up to the Yaris". :wink:

That said...this "rolling vagina" will probably be the next family Buggy for my bunch.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/BlkS/pruisV.jpg

[teddy]

Wow I'm surprised at the amount of hate for the Prius. It's not even in the same class as the Yaris, it's not an apples to apples comparison.

sub-compact=Prius c/Yaris
compact=Corolla/Matrix (for the sake of including the class in between)
mid-size=Prius/Camry/Prius v

The Yaris is a cheap econobox (which I happily own and would happily buy another). The Prius, across the line is a much more refined vehicle, IMO. For someone that does significant city driving and little highway driving it'd be easy to pick the Prius c over the Yaris both because of fuel savings and refinement.

The Prius across the line is a quieter, roomier car which is better on gas to boot. The Prius v just improves on all of that, this will be a strong contender for my next vehicle hands down.

Not everyone drives for the "driving experience" either. The HSD simply cannot have a manual transmission due to the nature of the drive, whereas the Honda hybrid system (like the CR-Z) can because the gasoline engine is always engaged in movement. Heck the Prius isn't even really a CVT, though it is classed as an e-CVT when required.

I love my Yaris, but I also love the Prius. If the Prius c were around when we got ours it would have been a tougher decision. Having a family now I can see us in something bigger, the Prius being a strong contender.

[Volcano]

Hate is - maybe - a bit of a strong term............ I certainly do dislike most of the prius owners. Attitude I guess.

Apart from that, I do not see in which area the prius really is the superior car. Its bigger, sure thing. The interior quality is certainly at a similar level, just had a chance to compare today. Anyway I am adding a review of the Auris Hybrid, built in the UK btw. :-) certainly not avail in the U.S or Canada.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hm9JFtj2ac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25V3m7oeZio&feature=related

[12 yaris]

Thats it! Tomorrow I'm tradin' the Yaris for a Prius.

[Volcano]

it's a cheap, tin-can, econo-:

Well, that's excatly what it is. And this perfectly suites me.

When I wrecked my Pickup Truck I went for what I need vs. what I want. (Another Pickup.) As simple.

Funny enough, my dealer told me that a guy my age should certainly drive a prius at least.

[Slasher]

I have to laff!!!

Yeah I coulda bought a lot more car too... But as a commuter car (100 miles a workday) The Prius C didn't make sense.... and yes Prius has a lot more features... Yes it gets better mileage... I even test drove the C model... but the two cars are night and day...

But as my other 2 vehicles are a 4x4 Crewmax Tundra (TOWS 10,500 lbs) and a Harley, I must say that the Prius actually does have a stigma that doesn't really suit me... Don't believe me....

click here
http://youtu.be/qP-tyvBGla4

or a better reason I don't want to be seen driving a Prius, Click here
http://youtu.be/1ZWtmuwNgcg

Sorry... Just public perceptions...:iono:

[12 yaris]

Boy,for the money I saved buying the '12 Yaris,I could buy another Yaris....
Maybe I"ll just invest the savings,and double my money.....

[Slasher]

Maybe I"ll just invest the savings,and double my money.....

Well when investing, use the rule of 72!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_72

Gee at many of these rates it'll take a long time to double your money...

Go to vegas and put it on Red!!!

[why?]

It's the same way with Yaris owners around here. Things are said that make one feel better about what they bought. You'll find that on any auto forum.
Sort of what I meant. I do agree there is nothing wrong with it. It does seem though some have a preoccupation with the Yaris.

LOL! I don't like the Prius either. It is too big and (given its cost) should be a more inspiring drive in many ways, one being IT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION (I know...the CVT = best MPG for most people and supposedly compliments this incantation of the engine best). Even given all of this, THE WORST THING ABOUT THE PRIUS IN MY MIND IS THE FEELING I GET WHILE SITTING IN ONE. Car and Driver referred to the first US produced VW Rabbits as 'THE MALIBUIZATION OF VOLKSWAGEN'. They weren't referring to Malibu, California directly, they were referring to what had happened to the Chevrolet Malibu.....how it has become generic, numbing, stark, and devoid of sufficient design personality, respect, common sense, etc........not being a driver's car. However possibly illogical, this is what I think of when sitting in a Prius. I also feel that coming out with a PRIUS 'WAGON' shows that people who feel as I do aren't targets for these cars.

I disagree. The Malibu was a totally ugly and indistinguishable car. The Prius is unique and easy to pick out in a crowd. And the Prius is not aimed at people who like to drive, it is aimed at people who want to get good gas mileage, and unfortunately has been adopted by the eco crowd.

Perhaps most of the Prius owners in PA are women (or emasculated men?), but this isn't really the vibe in the SF Bay Area...where many people feel as though people (female and many male buyers) are making an intentionally politically correct statement (and an intentionally smug one) buy buying a Prius...and many buyers (one can tell by querying them) know next to nothing about the car.
Probably true. Most people I've talked to buy it for the political statement, or for the unfortunate and incorrect hatred of the oil companies.

Why? I usually agree with you, Ok, give me a minute to get over the shock of that. Oh wait, you live in Texas. I so need to move there. Seems like a really good place to be.

but not on this one. On this forum alone, think of how many people list 3 or more cars they own. While they might have large families and need those cars and can only afford a Yaris or similar the choices they have made for the other cars they list, I think, tend to discount that possibility. All of the members of my extended family can easily afford a Prius, yet a vast majority of us choose to spend less than the cost of a Prius when purchasing a car.....and I know people outside our family with a greater degree of wealth who go to far greater extremes when it comes to frugality re their cars......I know....I know.....anecdotal evidence. I do, however, agree with you that very few, if any, Prius owners visit Yarisworld.
I'm not sure where you are coming from. I do think people think their choice is the correct one for them, but I do not think it has anything to do with what one could afford.

The Prius is sort of the punching bag for Yaris owners, and it has been so from the beginning. And the math easily shows why. If you go on the math alone, the Yaris is a much better value.

Yet the math does not tell the entire story. The Yaris is extremely spartan, and while that works for some, it does not work for a lot of others. For many people a car without the usual luxuries is not a car they will ever own. I can understand that perspective. There is something to be said for buying a car from the factory with everything you could want. Heated seats, nav, leather interior, full moon roof, etc. Some people want a car to have it all. You can't get that type of stuff in a Yaris.

It seems some people on yw don't like that perspective, which of course, is their choice.


"Snobs", "emasculated men"....Really? Man you guys are very judgemental. I'd gladly own a Prius or Prius V (and certainly could) and I'm neither snobby and most certainly not emasculated.....and not even a tree-hugger for that matter.

Since some of you seems quite worried about people's perception of you if you drove a Prius, you do understand that you drive a Yaris, right? Many of the "non manly" adjectives that you've used to describe Prius owners can be used to describe Yaris owners too. But you'd have to add "cheap" and/or non-affluent as well....because, outside of YarisWorld which accounts for a tiny portion of actual Yaris owners, most people's perception of the Yaris and the people who drive a Yaris is that it's a cheap, tin-can, econo-car and it's all the person driving it could afford.

I promise you that the "Yaris cool factor" that we like to tout around here is almost completely nonexistent out in the rest of the world. :thumbsup:

Oh...for the record...by far, woman out number men, I'd say 10 to 1 as Yaris owners around here anyway. Maybe you guys could hang some of the those big truck-nuts from the back bumper of your Yaris and people might not notice what feminine little shit boxes you drive. :laugh:

So true, with the exception that getting 40mpg is becoming cool to many people. And a drive in a Yaris and most people realize it is fun to drive, and nothing like what the auto journalists seem to think it is.

Personally I'd go with a Highlander Hybrid, because even the Prius V seems a tad on the small side. Of course I have no reason for either vehicle right now.

Wow I'm surprised at the amount of hate for the Prius. It's not even in the same class as the Yaris, it's not an apples to apples comparison.

sub-compact=Prius c/Yaris
compact=Corolla/Matrix (for the sake of including the class in between)
mid-size=Prius/Camry/Prius v

The Yaris is a cheap econobox (which I happily own and would happily buy another). The Prius, across the line is a much more refined vehicle, IMO. For someone that does significant city driving and little highway driving it'd be easy to pick the Prius c over the Yaris both because of fuel savings and refinement.

The Prius across the line is a quieter, roomier car which is better on gas to boot. The Prius v just improves on all of that, this will be a strong contender for my next vehicle hands down.

Not everyone drives for the "driving experience" either. The HSD simply cannot have a manual transmission due to the nature of the drive, whereas the Honda hybrid system (like the CR-Z) can because the gasoline engine is always engaged in movement. Heck the Prius isn't even really a CVT, though it is classed as an e-CVT when required.

I love my Yaris, but I also love the Prius. If the Prius c were around when we got ours it would have been a tougher decision. Having a family now I can see us in something bigger, the Prius being a strong contender.

well said. Although Honda's system is sort of the exact opposite of Toyota's.

[Billiam]

Sort of what I meant. I do agree there is nothing wrong with it. It does seem though some have a preoccupation with the Yaris.



I disagree. The Malibu was a totally ugly and indistinguishable car. The Prius is unique and easy to pick out in a crowd. And the Prius is not aimed at people who like to drive, it is aimed at people who want to get good gas mileage, and unfortunately has been adopted by the eco crowd.


Probably true. Most people I've talked to buy it for the political statement, or for the unfortunate and incorrect hatred of the oil companies.

Ok, give me a minute to get over the shock of that. Oh wait, you live in Texas. I so need to move there. Seems like a really good place to be.

I'm not sure where you are coming from. I do think people think their choice is the correct one for them, but I do not think it has anything to do with what one could afford.

The Prius is sort of the punching bag for Yaris owners, and it has been so from the beginning. And the math easily shows why. If you go on the math alone, the Yaris is a much better value.

Yet the math does not tell the entire story. The Yaris is extremely spartan, and while that works for some, it does not work for a lot of others. For many people a car without the usual luxuries is not a car they will ever own. I can understand that perspective. There is something to be said for buying a car from the factory with everything you could want. Heated seats, nav, leather interior, full moon roof, etc. Some people want a car to have it all. You can't get that type of stuff in a Yaris.

It seems some people on yw don't like that perspective, which of course, is their choice.




So true, with the exception that getting 40mpg is becoming cool to many people. And a drive in a Yaris and most people realize it is fun to drive, and nothing like what the auto journalists seem to think it is.

Personally I'd go with a Highlander Hybrid, because even the Prius V seems a tad on the small side. Of course I have no reason for either vehicle right now.



well said. Although Honda's system is sort of the exact opposite of Toyota's.

Well spoken. :thumbsup:

[tooter]

The Prius is unique and easy to pick out in a crowd.

Where I live... Prius is the crowd. :laugh:

[mazilla]

Where I live... Prius is the crowd. :laugh:

Down here too, on any given day the freeway is full of 60 mph A-holes making the freeway into an obstacle course if you have to get somewhere expediently. :mad:

[nookandcrannycar]

"Snobs", "emasculated men"....Really? Man you guys are very judgemental. I'd gladly own a Prius or Prius V (and certainly could) and I'm neither snobby and most certainly not emasculated.....and not even a tree-hugger for that matter.

Since some of you seems quite worried about people's perception of you if you drove a Prius, you do understand that you drive a Yaris, right? Many of the "non manly" adjectives that you've used to describe Prius owners can be used to describe Yaris owners too. But you'd have to add "cheap" and/or non-affluent as well....because, outside of YarisWorld which accounts for a tiny portion of actual Yaris owners, most people's perception of the Yaris and the people who drive a Yaris is that it's a cheap, tin-can, econo-car and it's all the person driving it could afford.

I promise you that the "Yaris cool factor" that we like to tout around here is almost completely nonexistent out in the rest of the world. :thumbsup:

Oh...for the record...by far, woman out number men, I'd say 10 to 1 as Yaris owners around here anyway. Maybe you guys could hang some of the those big truck-nuts from the back bumper of your Yaris and people might not notice what feminine little shit boxes you drive. :laugh:

You are missing the point. We don't live under rocks. We are aware of the view many have of Yari. If we cared about what others (except, in some cases, other Yaris owners) thought, we would probably drive something else. I think most of us drive them because they satisfy a majority (and to some close to all) of what we consider important re a car. I agree that the OVERALL majority of Yaris drivers are women, but I'll bet if Toyota did a survey re the Male to Female ratio of MANUAL TRANSMISSION Yaris drivers the results would probably be 10 Male to every 1 Female. I love the time I've spent in Kentucky, but I doubt many people there make car buying decisions, either consciously or unconsciously, based on political correctness. Try living in the SF Bay Area or in DC. People do. Obviously not all Prius owners deserve to be garnered with the adjectives you quoted, but enough do. I think many of us also poke fun at the Prius I - V because we don't see the point for most people who buy them if you do the calculations. The only justification I can see (USING LOGIC) is if your need can't be accommodated by a Yaris (e.g. four adults so large that a Yaris would be cramped) AND I VERY RARELY SEE MORE THAN 1 OR 2 PEOPLE RIDING IN A PRIUS (just one of the reasons I find them to be silly). I don't feel the environmental argument holds water either because you could donate the cost difference between the Prius and the Yaris to a charity that is making an extreme positive environmental impact per dollar donated. The overall impact of the money represented by 'Yaris + donation' is better for the environment than the impact of the Prius. In addition, issues re the impact of the Prius battery are still heavily debated. Some might say the Prius has more creature comforts/is more comfortable. I feel the only subset within that line of thinking that is based in logic rather than feeling is if such an item or items can't be added to a Yaris AND contribute to making the driver a safer pilot on the road. The argument re if such features exist or not opens up another can of worms.

[12 yaris]

^Like....

[tooter]

The Yaris is extremely spartan...

Yes. :smile:

Financed luxury is a waste of money...

...while owned cheapness is fiscal responsibility.:thumbsup:

[Kal-El]

People don't buy Prius's based solely on economics. If people only considered the economic part of their purchase, most cars that sell, wouldn't sell. Everyone would be driving one of about 10 vehicles - Yaris, Corolla, Elantra, Accent, Rio, Versa, Sonic, ect. (the most cost effective rides). Many people prefer to spend extra for desirable attributes of certain vehicles. Be it size, performance, luxury, styling, prestige, ect. Many spend a premium just to get a badge (most notably Mercedes/BMW - when you can often get, IMO, a better car in Lexus for less money).

So why does the Prius sell 5-6 TIMES as much as the Yaris (in the US) each month? Obviously, the Prius doesn't save you money over a Yaris (different class, mind you). Technically, the Prius is classed between the Corolla and Camry, so it's difficult to directly compare to anything. The Prius is apples and oranges to every other car on the market - only the Honda Insight is designed to mimic the Prius, but fails on so many levels, hence its sales failure. The Prius sells for it's gas mileage, yes, but for other desirable characteristics as well. It mixes this superior gas mileage with excellent practicality - a very roomy hatch. It's actually quite stylish to those that enjoy a bullet shaped futuristic looking car. Many even like the futuristic interior. The Prius is also the most reliable car on the market. The battery has been known to last beyond 300,000 miles too. And yes, many just like the hybrid "green" image. All for a very reasonable price.

And check out its potential... :smile:

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[tooter]

People don't buy Prius's based solely on economics.

I totally agree. In my area the Prius is a politically correct liberal statement of a feminist socially conscious global warming carbon footprint. The Prius to Yaris ratio here is easily 100 to 1.

[why?]

Yes. :smile:

Financed luxury is a waste of money...

...while owned cheapness is fiscal responsibility.:thumbsup:

that is your opinion.

Except you bought a new car, which loses at least 25% of its value the second you drive off the dealers lot.

Many people would call that a wasteful luxury.

There are numerous used cars you could have purchased with that same money that would have done the same thing and cost you less. Or you could have spent the same money on a much nicer car. etc, etc, etc.

Of course, many people can afford to buy cars two or three times the cost of the Yaris in cash as well. Not everyone who spends a ton of money on cars finances them.

So you decide it is a waste of money. Others will decide for themselves. That is why God gave us all that little thing called free will.

[tooter]

Except you bought a new car, which loses at least 25% of its value the second you drive off the dealers lot.

I understand that owning new vehicles only works for some people, but drive off value is not a factor for those who own their new vehicles outright and take good care of them over a period of many years. The new Yaris replaced a 19 year old Hyundai which sold in one day for $1,700. :smile:

I also bought a new 1988 Toyota pickup truck for $8,800 cash out the door. Then sold it 8 years later for $3,000 when I bought a new 1996 Tacoma for less than $10,000 cash out the door. And after 16 years, it still runs as good as new. The savings in financing or leasing costs, insurance, and registration can become considerable over the years.

I'm a diehard Toyota fan who always buys the cheapest vehicle on the lot for cash out the door and keeps them for a long time. :thumbsup:

[why?]

I understand that owning new vehicles only works for some people, but drive off value is not a factor for those who own their new vehicles outright and take good care of them over a period of many years. The new Yaris replaced a 19 year old Hyundai which sold in one day for $1,700. :smile:

I also bought a new 1988 Toyota pickup truck for $8,800 cash out the door. Then sold it 8 years later for $3,000 when I bought a new 1996 Tacoma for less than $10,000 cash out the door. And after 16 years, it still runs as good as new. The savings in financing or leasing costs, insurance, and registration can become considerable over the years.

I'm a diehard Toyota fan who always buys the cheapest vehicle on the lot for cash out the door and keeps them for a long time. :thumbsup:

and that is great that doing that works for you. But not everyone wants to do that.

[tooter]

and that is great that doing that works for you. But not everyone wants to do that.

Of course not... this is America where everyone is free to choose. :smile:

[nookandcrannycar]

Sort of what I meant. I do agree there is nothing wrong with it. It does seem though some have a preoccupation with the Yaris.



I disagree. The Malibu was a totally ugly and indistinguishable car. The Prius is unique and easy to pick out in a crowd. And the Prius is not aimed at people who like to drive, it is aimed at people who want to get good gas mileage, and unfortunately has been adopted by the eco crowd.


Probably true. Most people I've talked to buy it for the political statement, or for the unfortunate and incorrect hatred of the oil companies.

Ok, give me a minute to get over the shock of that. Oh wait, you live in Texas. I so need to move there. Seems like a really good place to be.

I'm not sure where you are coming from. I do think people think their choice is the correct one for them, but I do not think it has anything to do with what one could afford.

The Prius is sort of the punching bag for Yaris owners, and it has been so from the beginning. And the math easily shows why. If you go on the math alone, the Yaris is a much better value.

Yet the math does not tell the entire story. The Yaris is extremely spartan, and while that works for some, it does not work for a lot of others. For many people a car without the usual luxuries is not a car they will ever own. I can understand that perspective. There is something to be said for buying a car from the factory with everything you could want. Heated seats, nav, leather interior, full moon roof, etc. Some people want a car to have it all. You can't get that type of stuff in a Yaris.

It seems some people on yw don't like that perspective, which of course, is their choice.




So true, with the exception that getting 40mpg is becoming cool to many people. And a drive in a Yaris and most people realize it is fun to drive, and nothing like what the auto journalists seem to think it is.

Personally I'd go with a Highlander Hybrid, because even the Prius V seems a tad on the small side. Of course I have no reason for either vehicle right now.



well said. Although Honda's system is sort of the exact opposite of Toyota's.

--RE 1st Quote of Billiam and your reply: I don't really get where Billiam is coming from on this as why would 'feeling better about what they bought' enter into the consciousness or thought process of anyone posting to an auto forum, even as a byproduct of some other action. Your (Why?) short reply was insightful and made me laugh. I probably have a preoccupation with what I THINK AND FEEL THE YARIS STANDS FOR...which is mutually exclusive from the however more widely held view that Billiam expressed. --RE 1st Quote of me and your reply: I think the 2nd generation Prius is unique and easy to pick out in a crowd on the outside and is attractive, but as I am seeing mostly the interior when I am sitting in one, I have the feeling I stated and you quoted. The 1st generation Prius was monumentally ugly on the outside and the inside as well as sterile and looked as though a US Government bureaucrat designed it even though it is a Japanese car. The 2nd generation Prius lost the ugly exterior and on the interior lost the ugliness and the 'US Government bureaucratness' but it still feels sterile to me. The interior of the current S Class Mercedes Sedan also feels this way to me, whereas in contrast I think the interior of the current 5 Series BMW Sedan is fantastic. I think the Prius is aimed at people who want to get good gas mileage AND be coddled while they are getting good gas mileage (and I think the coddling is at least as important to them as the gas mileage) If they only cared about gas mileage (and the effects of high gas mileage) they could restore an original Honda Insight (it gets better gas mileage) or restore a Rabbit after converting it to run on cooking grease. While reading this part of your reply I was reminded of a thought I had a few months ago. I was at the St. John Town Center in Jacksonville Florida in April of this year and saw a Prius C that a dealer had arranged to leave on the plaza, away from any cars. I looked the car over and soon realized how loaded with options it was and wondered how the level of equipment would compare to a Prius Liftback Four or a Prius Liftback Five. I checked this out quickly today as best I could today by using the previous sentence re a search and one of the hits was an article I think some might find interesting.....'2012 Toyota Prius c Review - The Affordable 60 MPG Monster' at http://priuschat.com/threads/2012-toyota-prius-c-review-the-affordable and I compared the equipment by level on the Prius C to the equipment by level on the Prius Liftback. I compared the base Prius C Four to the base Prius Liftback Four. The differences seem as follows: 1. The Liftback Four has an 8-way power driver seat with lumbar vs the C Four's 6-way manual driver seat with no lumbar, 2. The Liftback Four has the JBL Green Edge Speakers with amplifier and the C Four doesn't (the reviewer states though that he thinks the sound is better without these speakers)., 3. The Liftback Four as an auto dimming rear view mirror with a Homelink universal transceiver (for the garage door opener) and the C Four doesn't, 4. The Liftback Four has halogen headlights with Auto on/off and the C Four doesn't, and, on the other hand, 5. The C Four has Integrated Fog Lamps and the Liftback Four doesn't.......however, the base Liftback Four costs $5,005.00 dollars more than the base C Four....To me this largely brings the point back to a point I later made that you later quoted about how many people normally ride in a Prius Liftback and that a Liftback is only really needed if the passengers can't be comfortable re their number or size in a Yaris......Also, I look at the C as really a Yaris. In Japan it is called the Toyota Aqua, but in some other countries it is called the Yaris Hybrid. --RE 2nd Quote of me and your reply: The two reasons you stated are also the top two motivations I hear re buying a Prius Liftback. --RE 3rd Quote of me and your reply: Now, Now, be nice. There are some places in Texas that are 'a few centuries back', but those are much fewer and farther between than most people think. I like where I live. I love trees and have many trees around me. If one attempts to start toward Ron Paul's district via Hwy 288 part of that trip looks like a trip to the moon in my view. I have to have greenery around me. The general population fairly near me is predominantly non native (58 percent of the people are from other states and international locales).... and even though Montgomery County is (according to The Daily Caller) the 3rd most conservative county in the U.S., the people in my general area are intelligent and not 'lockstep' on everything. I haven't been here an inordinantly long time. I started looking in 2007 and moved here in 2008. I'm a 5th generation SF Bay Area native who has also lived in other parts of California, but I moved here from Marin County ('Prius and BMW land' LOL, and the 3rd most liberal county in the U.S). I have actually found people here around my new area here in Texas to be incredibly nice and down to earth and much happier with diversity than many people in the SF Bay Area even though many Bay Area people pride themselves on fostering diversity. --RE 4th Quote of me and your reply: I was originally coming from thinking that you and Billiam were both coming from thinking that the owners you were speaking about have the particular views they do because they can't afford a more expensive car than the Yaris and have collective chips on their shoulders re that. I was wrong, after rereading both of your posts I realized that neither of you was trying to say that. Except for the part about needing to save up (I don't), my view is pretty similar to that of Tooter (although if people started to get original Insight like numbers out of the Prius C (see article from PriusChat I mentioned),AND sufficient TRD options + a 6-speed manual were available (6 speed manual never will be), I might consider a Prius C when my Yaris dies. --Re 2nd Quote of Billiam and your reply: I completely agree with your first paragraph and would add that for some reason Consumer Reports seems to have a particular brand of disdain reserved for the Yaris.....and re a personal choice of a somewhat related type of vehicle, I'd go with the 6-Speed Manual 5-Door Subaru Impreza Hatchback. One of my relatives has one and she loves it. --Re 1st Quote of teddy and your reply: I haven't sat in, nor have I driven a Prius C, but I did like the body when I saw one displayed on that plaza in Florida.

[nookandcrannycar]

Wow I'm surprised at the amount of hate for the Prius. It's not even in the same class as the Yaris, it's not an apples to apples comparison.

sub-compact=Prius c/Yaris
compact=Corolla/Matrix (for the sake of including the class in between)
mid-size=Prius/Camry/Prius v

The Yaris is a cheap econobox (which I happily own and would happily buy another). The Prius, across the line is a much more refined vehicle, IMO. For someone that does significant city driving and little highway driving it'd be easy to pick the Prius c over the Yaris both because of fuel savings and refinement.

The Prius across the line is a quieter, roomier car which is better on gas to boot. The Prius v just improves on all of that, this will be a strong contender for my next vehicle hands down.

Not everyone drives for the "driving experience" either. The HSD simply cannot have a manual transmission due to the nature of the drive, whereas the Honda hybrid system (like the CR-Z) can because the gasoline engine is always engaged in movement. Heck the Prius isn't even really a CVT, though it is classed as an e-CVT when required.

I love my Yaris, but I also love the Prius. If the Prius c were around when we got ours it would have been a tougher decision. Having a family now I can see us in something bigger, the Prius being a strong contender.

See your paragraph 5-----Okay, I'll stop shouting about the 6 speed manual given your eloquent explanation that it isn't possible.....Rats! (re impossible)

[nookandcrannycar]

I can completely respect that. :thumbsup:

I have no issues with the Yaris, as I own one. In fact, I own 2...a liftback and a sedan. So clearly being at least a bit frugal is important to me. And what others think of me because I drive a Yaris is obviously not important to me either. I just find it rather entertaining to listen to others bash the Prius as if the rest of the world somehow "looks up to the Yaris". :wink:

That said...this "rolling vagina" will probably be the next family Buggy for my bunch.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v403/BlkS/pruisV.jpg What do you feel bashing a Prius has to do with what the rest of the world thinks of the Yaris? I would have the same opinion re the Prius Liftback and the Prius V if I was hopping along on a pogo stick or driving a Veyron.

[12 yaris]

Just shoot me..........

[nookandcrannycar]

Why do we keep discussing the Prius?The Yaris is a better deal all the way around.
Maybe someone should start a Priusworld(Riding In A Vagina) Enthusiast Site.

I am not insulting anyone's intellegence,If you have one and are happy,great.

Probably because the Prius is a car that evokes strong and divergent opinions, not among all but among many.......and opinions are like...................

[jay cobbs]

The yaris sedan. Its the secrect love child between a camry and a prius. look at 2010-2011 models the features are almost the same( the importain ones ). look in here for real info from owners like me and the real scoop. The sedan is getting harder to find only because the close specs to a prius inside is nicer and roomy too. and YOU CAN drive one free at a nearby Hertz sales lot and look at hertz.com before you get there. make it a easy ride for 2 hours.. you heard me....awesome. they have every toyota,nissan and others. no salesman just you and the car. read the awesome mpg with sedan....read my blogs....toyotas best sedan value and looks like a camry.:thumbup::thumbup:

[tooter]

--RE 1st Quote of Billiam and your reply: I don't really get where Billiam is coming from on this as why would 'feeling better about what they bought' enter into the consciousness or thought process of anyone posting to an auto forum, even as a byproduct of some other action. Your (Why?) short reply was insightful and made me laugh. I probably have a preoccupation with what I THINK AND FEEL THE YARIS STANDS FOR...which is mutually exclusive from the however more widely held view that Billiam expressed. --RE 1st Quote of me and your reply: I think the 2nd generation Prius is unique and easy to pick out in a crowd on the outside and is attractive, but as I am seeing mostly the interior when I am sitting in one, I have the feeling I stated and you quoted. The 1st generation Prius was monumentally ugly on the outside and the inside as well as sterile and looked as though a US Government bureaucrat designed it even though it is a Japanese car. The 2nd generation Prius lost the ugly exterior and on the interior lost the ugliness and the 'US Government bureaucratness' but it still feels sterile to me. The interior of the current S Class Mercedes Sedan also feels this way to me, whereas in contrast I think the interior of the current 5 Series BMW Sedan is fantastic. I think the Prius is aimed at people who want to get good gas mileage AND be coddled while they are getting good gas mileage (and I think the coddling is at least as important to them as the gas mileage) If they only cared about gas mileage (and the effects of high gas mileage) they could restore an original Honda Insight (it gets better gas mileage) or restore a Rabbit after converting it to run on cooking grease. While reading this part of your reply I was reminded of a thought I had a few months ago. I was at the St. John Town Center in Jacksonville Florida in April of this year and saw a Prius C that a dealer had arranged to leave on the plaza, away from any cars. I looked the car over and soon realized how loaded with options it was and wondered how the level of equipment would compare to a Prius Liftback Four or a Prius Liftback Five. I checked this out quickly today as best I could today by using the previous sentence re a search and one of the hits was an article I think some might find interesting.....'2012 Toyota Prius c Review - The Affordable 60 MPG Monster' at http://priuschat.com/threads/2012-toyota-prius-c-review-the-affordable and I compared the equipment by level on the Prius C to the equipment by level on the Prius Liftback. I compared the base Prius C Four to the base Prius Liftback Four. The differences seem as follows: 1. The Liftback Four has an 8-way power driver seat with lumbar vs the C Four's 6-way manual driver seat with no lumbar, 2. The Liftback Four has the JBL Green Edge Speakers with amplifier and the C Four doesn't (the reviewer states though that he thinks the sound is better without these speakers)., 3. The Liftback Four as an auto dimming rear view mirror with a Homelink universal transceiver (for the garage door opener) and the C Four doesn't, 4. The Liftback Four has halogen headlights with Auto on/off and the C Four doesn't, and, on the other hand, 5. The C Four has Integrated Fog Lamps and the Liftback Four doesn't.......however, the base Liftback Four costs $5,005.00 dollars more than the base C Four....To me this largely brings the point back to a point I later made that you later quoted about how many people normally ride in a Prius Liftback and that a Liftback is only really needed if the passengers can't be comfortable re their number or size in a Yaris......Also, I look at the C as really a Yaris. In Japan it is called the Toyota Aqua, but in some other countries it is called the Yaris Hybrid. --RE 2nd Quote of me and your reply: The two reasons you stated are also the top two motivations I hear re buying a Prius Liftback. --RE 3rd Quote of me and your reply: Now, Now, be nice. There are some places in Texas that are 'a few centuries back', but those are much fewer and farther between than most people think. I like where I live. I love trees and have many trees around me. If one attempts to start toward Ron Paul's district via Hwy 288 part of that trip looks like a trip to the moon in my view. I have to have greenery around me. The general population fairly near me is predominantly non native (58 percent of the people are from other states and international locales).... and even though Montgomery County is (according to The Daily Caller) the 3rd most conservative county in the U.S., the people in my general area are intelligent and not 'lockstep' on everything. I haven't been here an inordinantly long time. I started looking in 2007 and moved here in 2008. I'm a 5th generation SF Bay Area native who has also lived in other parts of California, but I moved here from Marin County ('Prius and BMW land' LOL, and the 3rd most liberal county in the U.S). I have actually found people here around my new area here in Texas to be incredibly nice and down to earth and much happier with diversity than many people in the SF Bay Area even though many Bay Area people pride themselves on fostering diversity. --RE 4th Quote of me and your reply: I was originally coming from thinking that you and Billiam were both coming from thinking that the owners you were speaking about have the particular views they do because they can't afford a more expensive car than the Yaris and have collective chips on their shoulders re that. I was wrong, after rereading both of your posts I realized that neither of you was trying to say that. Except for the part about needing to save up (I don't), my view is pretty similar to that of Tooter (although if people started to get original Insight like numbers out of the Prius C (see article from PriusChat I mentioned),AND sufficient TRD options + a 6-speed manual were available (6 speed manual never will be), I might consider a Prius C when my Yaris dies. --Re 2nd Quote of Billiam and your reply: I completely agree with your first paragraph and would add that for some reason Consumer Reports seems to have a particular brand of disdain reserved for the Yaris.....and re a personal choice of a somewhat related type of vehicle, I'd go with the 6-Speed Manual 5-Door Subaru Impreza Hatchback. One of my relatives has one and she loves it. --Re 1st Quote of teddy and your reply: I haven't sat in, nor have I driven a Prius C, but I did like the body when I saw one displayed on that plaza in Florida.

Oh, no... it's THE WALL OF TEXT! :eek:

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[why?]

Indeed. And I read it all too!!

Seriously though I meant the thing about Texas in the best way possible. The people I have met from Texas are the nicest, kindest, most fun to be around people I have ever known. And I totally agree about the diversity part as well. Liberals still think about it, they still group people by what makes them different. It is always seems to be in their minds.

I still don't get that.

Living in Mass and then in orlando I am surrounded by people who were so surrounded by far left ideology they literally could not comprehend someone thinking differently. I mention anything that doesn't fit their worldview and they respond with shock and horror. I remember in college I had an entire class of people staring at me stunned when I made fun of the Kennedy's. I just can't take it. It is to the point where if someone does it I just stop talking to them and cut them out of my life totally.

[Spidermandud]

I agree with why? I've never met anyone from Texas I didn't like.

There's good and bad people of all sorts but I haven't found one from Texas haha