air suspension thread

[jerome]

i'm looking to lower my yaris. with past cars, i've gone the springs/shocks route. and the coilover route.

but this time i'm seriously considering the air route.

while i don't track my car, i enjoy improved handling and the aesthetics of being low. because i live in chicago, i fight through potholes and construction on a daily basis.

luckily for me, my yaris is more or less a weekend car. in the year i've owned the car, i've barely put over 4,000 miles on the thing.

having an air suspension seems beneficial for days i'd like to pile four in my car - but still be low enough when i'm riding on my own. or on smoother roads - or out in the suburbs.

but how does performance favor with air? are there even kits for our cars? (i drive an '11 5-door/5-speed)

i probably have a ton more questions but would maybe like to start to get the ball rolling... anybody with any insight or even personal experience is appreciated!

[ilikerice]

check this thread out. most recent member. Send them a PM, I am sure they will help you.
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39844

[jerome]

check this thread out. most recent member. Send them a PM, I am sure they will help you.
http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39844

thanks! i'll shoot a pm over.

[yarisugi]

From AirRunner (http://www.airrunnersystems.com/air-suspension/toyota). Scroll down to the very bottom. Complete bolt-on kit.

[jerome]

From AirRunner (http://www.airrunnersystems.com/air-suspension/toyota). Scroll down to the very bottom. Complete bolt-on kit.

thanks! any idea how reputable the company is?

also, as far as reliability goes - any input?

it's nice to know there's a company that does a direct bolt-on for our cars, though.

update: so, i've just googled air runner and it looks like these guys offer a quality product. going through other forums it looks like people have nothing but good things to say (except for the price)

$3k for the kit, i wonder how much someone would charge for the install...

[DINOeggxo]

My install was $1000 but that's because I knew people that knew people that did it on the side for me. I'm wondering if I can find a shop that's near you I just recently joined vwvortex due to their large air suspension peeps and most of them run airlift. I'm glad I went to a shop due to me wanting to hide everything and I'll link you to it later once I'm on a actual computer so you can see different set ups and how they are installed

[DINOeggxo]

maybe we should start a thread on who has air and what product they have and contact and pictures of set up and so on.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4016771-show-me-your-trunk

good thread to see what others did with their set up and you can get ideas if you are going to go this route.

[yarisugi]

808_Yaris and his AirRunner setup (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18593)

[jerome]

My install was $1000 but that's because I knew people that knew people that did it on the side for me. I'm wondering if I can find a shop that's near you I just recently joined vwvortex due to their large air suspension peeps and most of them run airlift. I'm glad I went to a shop due to me wanting to hide everything and I'll link you to it later once I'm on a actual computer so you can see different set ups and how they are installed

thank you SO much for all your help already!! :biggrin:

[jerome]

maybe we should start a thread on who has air and what product they have and contact and pictures of set up and so on.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4016771-show-me-your-trunk

good thread to see what others did with their set up and you can get ideas if you are going to go this route.

good idea :thumbsup:

808_Yaris and his AirRunner setup (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18593)

oh wow, didn't know he was a member here :thumbsup:

[sasquatch]

the air runner kit looks nice but doesn't look like it goes super low, but it may just be the wheels on the car.

my girlfriend(dinoegg) said she messaged you. I'm sure there is a way to get lower and get better stuff for about the same price or possibly less. and there might possibly be options if you already have coil overs change over to an air ride setup for less!! for example that air runner only has 1 compressor, she has 2 compressors and a fully customizable controller for almost the same price as the air runner kit.

one of the biggest misconceptions about air is the performance: it honest to god drives like a car on coils and handles quite well. its not mushy or soft by any means. her setup even has adjustable dampening which most basic coil overs don't even offer! Her car has no front sway bar (if you want max lowness you will need to remove yours too) and it still feels great! i know Air Lift's head suspension engineer was a former race suspension engineer and is working to make Air Lift's products have the ability to go low for shows and handle as well as the best coil overs at the track.

if ANYONE has questions get a hold of Dinoegg or myself. while she did a lot of the work getting stuff, i helped her research as she is one of the first on air in the US, oh and i have many many VW friends with air so I've seen a lot of stuff haha.

[yarisugi]

You're right, I wish mine could go lower but that was a bolt-on set up that was already out on the market before anything else. I ran rims with similar specs as Dino and ride was still quite nice. $1000 for installation is about right.

jerome, hope you are able to find the right set up and be sure to post if and when you ever get it done.

[jerome]

the air runner kit looks nice but doesn't look like it goes super low, but it may just be the wheels on the car.

my girlfriend(dinoegg) said she messaged you. I'm sure there is a way to get lower and get better stuff for about the same price or possibly less. and there might possibly be options if you already have coil overs change over to an air ride setup for less!! for example that air runner only has 1 compressor, she has 2 compressors and a fully customizable controller for almost the same price as the air runner kit.

one of the biggest misconceptions about air is the performance: it honest to god drives like a car on coils and handles quite well. its not mushy or soft by any means. her setup even has adjustable dampening which most basic coil overs don't even offer! Her car has no front sway bar (if you want max lowness you will need to remove yours too) and it still feels great! i know Air Lift's head suspension engineer was a former race suspension engineer and is working to make Air Lift's products have the ability to go low for shows and handle as well as the best coil overs at the track.

if ANYONE has questions get a hold of Dinoegg or myself. while she did a lot of the work getting stuff, i helped her research as she is one of the first on air in the US, oh and i have many many VW friends with air so I've seen a lot of stuff haha.

she did. with a TON of helpful/honest advice. i'm glad you helped shed some light on the way the car handles/performs. it's been one of my biggest concerns about going this route. i'm still wondering about reliability and what kind of maintenance is involved, but in the meantime all of this has already been a big step forward

unfortunately i don't have a coilover setup on the yaris (i originally did on my last ride - scion xa, so i've been rolling stock for about a year now and would like to start putting some things together)

You're right, I wish mine could go lower but that was a bolt-on set up that was already out on the market before anything else. I ran rims with similar specs as Dino and ride was still quite nice. $1000 for installation is about right.

jerome, hope you are able to find the right set up and be sure to post if and when you ever get it done.

definitely will when i do. looks like everything (parts & labor) will run about $4,000

[sasquatch]

she did. with a TON of helpful/honest advice. i'm glad you helped shed some light on the way the car handles/performs. it's been one of my biggest concerns about going this route. i'm still wondering about reliability and what kind of maintenance is involved, but in the meantime all of this has already been a big step forward

unfortunately i don't have a coilover setup on the yaris (i originally did on my last ride - scion xa, so i've been rolling stock for about a year now and would like to start putting some things together)



definitely will when i do. looks like everything (parts & labor) will run about $4,000



Since you live in the northern states it will require a little extra maintenance but not much. Get good water traps(not a big deal, they are pretty standard) and put some air tank anti-freeze in the tank for winter use. Just empty your water traps once a month maybe twice if it's very humid in the spring and summer and that's about it.

Having a professional install, though extra money up front is a good choice because all the wiring will be legit and the plumbing will be clean and hopefully leak free. I'm wiing to do a lot of work on my or my girls car, but even I agreed that a professional install was a good idea.

[KsportUSA]

We also offer a air set up for the Yaris, I would recommend at least the deluxe kit.

http://ksportusa.com/products/air-suspension/
4 air struts
4 bags
**Complete bolt on set up**
2 Viair 380cc compressors
5Gal tank
Seem less installation box
All wiring and lines needed
Wireless Key Fob
Paddles inside the vehicle
Electronic valves

This kit sells on average for $3060

Here are pics of it installed in a trunk set up
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/576771_237708013005926_529856773_n.jpg

[DINOeggxo]

any pictures of a yaris that has this kit? max lowness? i think with me with my kit i wanted the most lowness competing with the dub kids and really thats all they care about. idk my struts that i purchased from japan are way more awesome. :cool:


We also offer a air set up for the Yaris, I would recommend at least the deluxe kit.

http://ksportusa.com/products/air-suspension/
4 air struts
4 bags
**Complete bolt on set up**
2 Viair 380cc compressors
5Gal tank
Seem less installation box
All wiring and lines needed
Wireless Key Fob
Paddles inside the vehicle
Electronic valves

This kit sells on average for $3060

Here are pics of it installed in a trunk set up
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/576771_237708013005926_529856773_n.jpg

[KsportUSA]

I dont have any pics of a Yaris with this kit, the picture provided above was from a dealer that installed the kit on their show car. We basically just have to wait for a customer to send us a hi-res pics of their setup.

As far as maximum lowness, your car can/will be on the ground. Here is a pic of a few vehicles with out air kits.

http://i53.tinypic.com/2mgsg7n.jpg
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh284/koksik752/dsc0028fz.jpg
http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/modernrushdrummer/DSC_0014-1.jpg
-Jade@ksport

[DINOeggxo]

You're right, I wish mine could go lower but that was a bolt-on set up that was already out on the market before anything else. I ran rims with similar specs as Dino and ride was still quite nice. $1000 for installation is about right.

jerome, hope you are able to find the right set up and be sure to post if and when you ever get it done.

do you have pictures of your car?

[sasquatch]

Without muckin up this thread because there can be a lot of good information can be exchanged here from the few of us experienced with air ride on yaris'

But to the ksport people: do you have any pictures of the Yaris specific kit even if it is not installed on a car. I'm interested in seeing the front struts and rear bag mount setup to compare it to our(dinoeggxo) kit. Because the stock photo on the site is 100% not a Yaris kit.


Mods: if you read this, with the growing interest and threads about air ride anyway to get a sticky of this or a new official air ride thread as a easy to find source for any questions about air? I/we are by no means professionals but we were very involved with our kit and have several friends with more experience and contacts for interested parties.

[KsportUSA]

Without muckin up this thread because there can be a lot of good information can be exchanged here from the few of us experienced with air ride on yaris'

But to the ksport people: do you have any pictures of the Yaris specific kit even if it is not installed on a car. I'm interested in seeing the front struts and rear bag mount setup to compare it to our(dinoeggxo) kit. Because the stock photo on the site is 100% not a Yaris kit.


Mods: if you read this, with the growing interest and threads about air ride anyway to get a sticky of this or a new official air ride thread as a easy to find source for any questions about air? I/we are by no means professionals but we were very involved with our kit and have several friends with more experience and contacts for interested parties.

Dont have a picture of the specific air kit, we have recently just started to upload hi-res pictures of our kits and the Yaris hasnt been done since we have had some one come in recently (within last 4mo).

Here is a picture of the coilovers set up though (see attached), the Yaris kit would be identical witht he change of where the spring is there will be a sleeve over bag (not double bellow style) and the shocks will be specific to the air suspension set up.

Sleeve over bag vs double bellow
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7154/6427426011_fd2e67749a_z.jpg

[DINOeggxo]

hmm id be interested to see how low your kit goes. has it been installed on any cars yet?

[KsportUSA]

hmm id be interested to see how low your kit goes. has it been installed on any cars yet?

the pictures above are vehicles with out air suspension on it.

Your car will literally sit on the ground no problems at all. Reason is because they are double adjustable, you can adjust by the lower mount to set a "static" height, then you can raise and lower with the air bag.

[KsportUSA]

Also forgot to mention the shock provided with these air kits are also damping adjustable also for when you are at the static height you can get a nice stiff or softer ride.

[KsportUSA]

E46 M3 in New York, done by Illusions Customs

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/532814_10150946653032378_434183223_n.jpg

[sasquatch]

Dinoeggxo's kit is also double adjustable in that way. Her maxed out static height is lower than her car was on just springs.

We were just curious if any kits had been installed in hopes of maybe seeing a compaisson in the future.

Without arguing of course: we do know that to ge any lower than she is, removing fender liners, and notching the frame is necessary. To get as low as she is the front sway bar had to be remove ad well, otherwise the car slammed would sit almost 1/2-1" higher. So regardless the kit is not "bolt in and lay it on the ground". The placement of the front sway bar requires removal to get low.

That is just some additional info for people interested in bagging. Yes this kit appears to be bolt in, but there is additional work or modification required to lay it completely on the ground. And yes her struts actually have adjustable sway bar mounts on the strut, but to get low the sway bar must be lost as is the case with lots of cars.

Again not trying to bash your product as im sure it is quality. just pointing out some minor oversights about getting yhr car on the ground.

One other thing on the topic of management: dinoegg's managent is sufferer as well it is all digital, 8 presets, individual bag pressures, tank pressure and diagnostics all in a hand held switch about the size of a iPhone. No need for mounting any gauges on thr dash or in thr car.

[KsportUSA]

Completely true with things needing to be modified to lay your car on the ground, anyone would know this considering your suspension isnt really meant to travel that low (and high in some cases).

We promote our kit as bolt on in terms if you do not have to cut up the factory suspension. So yes you can completely bolt on our air suspension. This would be the same thing with coilovers they promote as bolt on also, but if you want your car to get extremely low, there are known modifications needed to be done.

Let me know if you guys have any more questions more than willing to answer.

[sasquatch]

Agreed on your kit being bolt in, it is 100% bolt in no arguments there. I was just pointing out the minor details to anyone interested in going air but does not know a lot on the topic. I did not want people assuming it's a bolt in and lay it on the ground type deal.

air ride hasn't caught on in the Yaris community yet like it has in the Vw, Audi, BMW, Honda, scion etc... Communities. My main goal is to help ad many interested people as I can get the best information possible, thankfully I even have first had experience on yhe Yaris too. Hopefully we can see more yaeis' on air because they look amazing!


I agree ksport makes a nice product. I was sad to see that there were no camber plates available for Vw R32's when I was shopping for them a few months ago. And I didn't see any track spec suspension for the R either.

[yarisugi]

Hi Dinoegg. I searched through some old threads on this site. Pics are in those threads.
first zombie thread (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27310)
second zombie thread (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28218)
chexmix zombie thread (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36015) (also on AirRunners) and zombie pics (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=599638&postcount=297) from chexmix

[DINOeggxo]

Hi Dinoegg. I searched through some old threads on this site. Pics are in those threads.
first zombie thread (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27310)
second zombie thread (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28218)
chexmix zombie thread (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36015) (also on AirRunners) and zombie pics (http://www.yarisworld.com/forums/showpost.php?p=599638&postcount=297) from chexmix

:wub: loves it! Thankyou!

[jerome]

a lot of great info, guys. thanks for sharing.

time to start mapping this all out!

[chexmix]

lol i got spoiled from raising and lowering my car.. especially when i stay park.. i drop it all the way down.. when get speed bumps.. i air it up.. no more angling car...

[sasquatch]

Since none have been added yet, Here are a few quick snaps of Dinoegg's trunk setup

As you can see it's totally useable, back seats folded down too

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/barspinsteve1128/Mobile%20Uploads/1000004180.jpg


And here is all the good stuff
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y181/barspinsteve1128/Mobile%20Uploads/1000004181.jpg

[jerome]

wow, that shit is stealth. love it. :thumbsup:

i got in touch with dan@airlift yesterday. waiting for his parts list and $ breakdown

[ljming99]

I posted this somewhere before.

You can also consider Air rex Air suspension. They have a kit for yaris as well.

http://airrex-usa.com/applications.html

[yarisugi]

I posted this somewhere before.
You can also consider Air rex Air suspension. They have a kit for yaris as well.
Need pictures of Yaris with this kit.

[sasquatch]

I posted this somewhere before.

You can also consider Air rex Air suspension. They have a kit for yaris as well.

http://airrex-usa.com/applications.html

Looks interesting, but the price is damn steep. 2300 for yhe front struts and rear bags. Then their air management, tank, compressor, and valves is another 2600. That's ovet 5k without any install labor. Not to mention the tank is only a 3 gallon tank and 1 compressor. Dinoegg is into her setup installed for less than that price, and has (2) 380cc compressors and a 5 gallon tank.

Kit looks nice, just saying.

[ljming99]

Looks interesting, but the price is damn steep. 2300 for yhe front struts and rear bags. Then their air management, tank, compressor, and valves is another 2600. That's ovet 5k without any install labor. Not to mention the tank is only a 3 gallon tank and 1 compressor. Dinoegg is into her setup installed for less than that price, and has (2) 380cc compressors and a 5 gallon tank.

Kit looks nice, just saying.

Me bad, i didnt see the fine print - Sold Separately.

In that case the price is really steep.

[sasquatch]

Me bad, i didnt see the fine print - Sold Separately.

In that case the price is really steep.

Def a good find, nice to see that there is other options out there. Just way too much. If the whole setup wad 2300 that would be tempting

[VOrphine]

Hi, i'm new here, and I planned to ride air and low.

low riding on a stock oem strut will short its life quick and then blow (the ride become noticeably bouncier and the body rolls much more on turns). So save the labor time or cost, and get the aftermarket shock thats meant for riding low.

bolt-on air suspension strut seems to be the best because its all-in-one piece compact design (probably a bit lighter too) than other kits with universal air bag. These are my opinion and my 2 cents.

Air Force and Ksport Airtech kit look exactly the same and same price, except Air Force is from Asia, Both are the ONLY complete air+strut suspension kit bolt-on direct fit a yaris. Ksport Airtech is my only option?

[DINOeggxo]

Hi, i'm new here, and I planned to ride air and low.

low riding on a stock oem strut will short its life quick and then blow (the ride become noticeably bouncier and the body rolls much more on turns). So save the labor time or cost, and get the aftermarket shock thats meant for riding low.

bolt-on air suspension strut seems to be the best because its all-in-one piece compact design (probably a bit lighter too) than other kits with universal air bag. These are my opinion and my 2 cents.

Air Force and Ksport Airtech kit look exactly the same and same price, except Air Force is from Asia, Both are the ONLY complete air+strut suspension kit bolt-on direct fit a yaris. Ksport Airtech is my only option?


My drive height isn't super low plus rear struts can be replaced in 30 min if they go bad. Im not worried.

Yaris suspension is best to use a universal bag for the rear because its a beam type and is the cheapest and most efficient for the rear setup.

Our friend is a air ride dealer and is working to make a complete kit for the yaris that uses the best products on the market and gives the buyer some options during purchase. AND at a great price. The problem with those other kits is they use old out of date management and are very expensive for what you get. And troubleshooting and help if you have problems is limited with these current kits.

My management is some of the most widely used in the euro community and there are loads of things it can do that other management can't, and there is tons of people using it who can offer help.

If you are curious about getting bagged PM me and I will keep you up to date on stuff and put you in contact with our friend/dealer

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Will be keeping an eye on this thread as I am planning on going air in the future.

[DINOeggxo]

Will be keeping an eye on this thread as I am planning on going air in the future.

:wub: i will keep everyone updated when my friend gets his jdm account! i want to see more bagged slammed yaris's! im doing my best to get a modern kit thats widely used that if someone needs help its out there. :wub:

[1.5]

You don't HAVE to ride on bags to sit low, I sit less than 2" off the ground and I'm static.

Switches are for bitches

[DINOeggxo]

You don't HAVE to ride on bags to sit low, I sit less than 2" off the ground and I'm static.

Switches are for bitches

Agreed, you don't NEED bags to sit low. But convienence is nice, especially with the HORRIBLE roads here in the north east :)

Oh and they are super fun to play with

Bags aren't for everyone, and i respect everyones choices, but currently their is no really good bag setup available for the Yaris crowd like there is for the vw/audi/BMW/Honda communities. My goal is to help people who want bags to have a good setup with options, quality products, and a source for customer service and questions. As well as show the car world that the Yaris os totally underrated :)

[1.5]

Bags make a slammed ride convert to a comfy DD in no time and I can see the appeal. Its cool that you're trying to make a kit for our platform. Always refreshing to see more aftermarket support. :thumbup:

[tk-421]

Mods: if you read this, with the growing interest and threads about air ride anyway to get a sticky of this or a new official air ride thread as a easy to find source for any questions about air?

Ask and you shall receive. :thumbsup:

Looking forward to more information on this topic, as I have always wanted to bag my Yaris. Do let us know if there's any chance of getting a group buy going at some point.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

For me, it's the convenience and the fact that probably the majority of VIP cars and VIP style cars are sitting on air.

[vten]

the airbag is growing on me.... Im interested for a future upgrade for sure.

you have my info Dino , keep us updated :thumbsup:

[DINOeggxo]

Ask and you shall receive. :thumbsup:

Looking forward to more information on this topic, as I have always wanted to bag my Yaris. Do let us know if there's any chance of getting a group buy going at some point.

thanks!

interesting you mentioned a group buy. my boyfriend and i were actually talking to our friend tonight at a local GTG about the growing interest for Air kits. he told us that a majority of the front struts are made to order, much like mine were, and a group buy would probably be the best possible way to get a bunch of kits built and out for the public and get people the best price too. rather than one order at a time.

but like i said he is still working out the details and once there is more info to share it will be shared :)

like always if anyone has questions about anything feel free to ask them here now that we have a nice sticky.

for anyone wondering how it is for a DD as far as durability: my setup was installed in may and has been flawless. a fuse has blown once (boyfriends fault) but it was a quick 30 second fix. no leaks, nothing weird, everything is perfect :)

[1.5]

How is the driveability with these? Are they stiff? Can you adjust dampening or only height? Is there a weight limit? What is maintenance like? Do the pumps ever go out?

[Kaotic Lazagna]

kinda hope the group buy won't be for a while since I won't have that kind of money until a (long) while.

[DINOeggxo]

How is the driveability with these?

The drive ability feels like a stock car, doesn't behave much differently. if anything it feels a little MORE like a RWD car because the front sway bar was removed. but after 500 miles of mountain back road driving to and from vermont i would say it handles very well still. (i/we were not pushing the car to its limits, but for swift backroad driving it felt as good as when i was just on springs)

Are they stiff?

the drive height setting isn't that stiff or bouncy. it doesnt feel much harder than when the car was on micro image springs. i never paid too much attention to how stiff it was before but i can say that it doesn't fell that bad at all. its a lot less stiff than my boyfriends R32 on H&R street coilovers(and some other suspension mods). BUT the way the system works is if you air the car up REALLY high the ride will be VERY stiff and VERY bouncy. the bags are like the springs, so airing it up high means a lot of PSI in the bags and a hard ride. but the regular drive height i use is pretty nice.

Can you adjust dampening or only height?

the struts i have (and i cannot guarantee the struts that we are working on getting will be 100% the same) uses a threaded strut with a collard bag (think coilover) and they DO have adjustable dampening. hopefully the kits we are working on feature the same things. pretty much you'll get your struts, wind the bag all the way down and lock it into place.. i mean everyone wants max lowness right :)


Is there a weight limit? What is maintenance like?

no weight limit that i know of. we have had myself and 3 passengers plus some luggage in the car and all i had to do was air the bags up a little extra to compensate for the weight. the management i use offers 8 different presets so you can have quick settings to go to, or use manual mode and air up each corner independently.

maintenance: empty the water traps and tank from time to time. only other problem i have had was a fuse in the system for the compressor, which is convienently located under the hood, has blown out twice. this happens from time to time on everyone we know with air ride. so during install, either professional or yourself, make sure to leave it easily accessible. possibly may have to add some anti-freeze(like semi trucks or regular air compressors) to the tank and lines for winter but we will see if that is needed.


Do the pumps ever go out?

like above the compressors have not had a problem, only the fuse. my kit uses (2) 380CC vlair compressors. they are pretty high quality and i believe i have 2 so that they work together and faster rather than making one compressor do all the work and put a lot of stress on it.

hopefully these answered your questions, they were very good ones i'm glad someone asked. if anyone else is curious feel free to ask :) i wanna help the community as much as i can and grow our aftermarket support :)

[d.one]

Airrunner makes a bolt on. I've been rocking mines for about a little over a year and a half now. It's a bit pricey but it's well worth it. The kit will work on both styles.

[CTScott]

Airrunner makes a bolt on. I've been rocking mines for about a little over a year and a half now. It's a bit pricey but it's well worth it. The kit will work on both styles.

Out of curiosity, what is the max lift height of the airrunner front struts?

[1.5]

The drive ability feels like a stock car, doesn't behave much differently. if anything it feels a little MORE like a RWD car because the front sway bar was removed. but after 500 miles of mountain back road driving to and from vermont i would say it handles very well still. (i/we were not pushing the car to its limits, but for swift backroad driving it felt as good as when i was just on springs)



the drive height setting isn't that stiff or bouncy. it doesnt feel much harder than when the car was on micro image springs. i never paid too much attention to how stiff it was before but i can say that it doesn't fell that bad at all. its a lot less stiff than my boyfriends R32 on H&R street coilovers(and some other suspension mods). BUT the way the system works is if you air the car up REALLY high the ride will be VERY stiff and VERY bouncy. the bags are like the springs, so airing it up high means a lot of PSI in the bags and a hard ride. but the regular drive height i use is pretty nice.



the struts i have (and i cannot guarantee the struts that we are working on getting will be 100% the same) uses a threaded strut with a collard bag (think coilover) and they DO have adjustable dampening. hopefully the kits we are working on feature the same things. pretty much you'll get your struts, wind the bag all the way down and lock it into place.. i mean everyone wants max lowness right :)




no weight limit that i know of. we have had myself and 3 passengers plus some luggage in the car and all i had to do was air the bags up a little extra to compensate for the weight. the management i use offers 8 different presets so you can have quick settings to go to, or use manual mode and air up each corner independently.

maintenance: empty the water traps and tank from time to time. only other problem i have had was a fuse in the system for the compressor, which is convienently located under the hood, has blown out twice. this happens from time to time on everyone we know with air ride. so during install, either professional or yourself, make sure to leave it easily accessible. possibly may have to add some anti-freeze(like semi trucks or regular air compressors) to the tank and lines for winter but we will see if that is needed.




like above the compressors have not had a problem, only the fuse. my kit uses (2) 380CC vlair compressors. they are pretty high quality and i believe i have 2 so that they work together and faster rather than making one compressor do all the work and put a lot of stress on it.

hopefully these answered your questions, they were very good ones i'm glad someone asked. if anyone else is curious feel free to ask :) i wanna help the community as much as i can and grow our aftermarket support :)

Great info thanks. Im sure it will be great help for others in the future.

The last question I have is how do the bags work like springs? Do they compress? If so do you have to refill the bags after big bumps? If they don't compress, how is there any compression and rebound?

[yarisugi]

Think of the airbag as an accordion-style balloon with really thick walls. The "balloon" is attached at the top and bottom perches where the spring would normally sit. Put air into it and the bag expands vertically. Remove air from it and it compresses. Since the air in the bag doesn't escape on its own, your car will always remain at the same ride height depending on amount of air inside. As for going over bumps, you do not need to refill them because the air inside the bag does not go anywhere when the bag compresses over bumps. Like a balloon, the airbag will expand outward slightly under compression, but return to its normal state after going over the bump.


@CTScott - I could measure it this weekend if you want. What part do you want me to measure?

[CTScott]

Think of the airbag as an accordion-style balloon with really thick walls. The "balloon" is attached at the top and bottom perches where the spring would normally sit. Put air into it and the bag expands vertically. Remove air from it and it compresses. Since the air in the bag doesn't escape on its own, your car will always remain at the same ride height depending on amount of air inside. As for going over bumps, you do not need to refill them because the air inside the bag does not go anywhere when the bag compresses over bumps. Like a balloon, the airbag will expand outward slightly under compression, but return to its normal state after going over the bump.


@CTScott - I could measure it this weekend if you want. What part do you want me to measure?

Any measurement that I can compare to stock would be great. Perhaps raise it up all the way and measure from the top strut bolt to the bottom of the strut tower?

[1.5]

I see perfect thanks.

I was aware of their shape and how they sat in the unit thats why I was unsure of how they react to bumps. It would be brutal if you filled them and they sat like big rocks and didnt move lol. Thats pretty cushy I imagine must be nice for a daily. Under extreme pressure can the bags rupture? Assuming you would probably have to do Dukes of Hazard stunts to put that much pressure on them lol

[yarisugi]

Rupture? Definitely.
That's why a warning is given for any bag install - NEVER drive when bag is maxed out or when bag has no air at all.

Airbag like virginity, one prick all gone.

[1.5]

Wow thats good to know what about debris? Can it gouge/pop bags?

[yarisugi]

Well, actually the wall of the bag is pretty tough and able to withstand any road debris. You would have to deliberately puncture it to make a hole.

@CTScott - I'll see what I can do.

[1.5]

Good info. Thanks

[DINOeggxo]

sorry havent been checking much the past few days. been busy

my kit has a beveled rear bag (like posted above) and the fronts have a slimmer sleeve like bag. like the bag on the front strurts seen on this scion kit http://bagriders.com/modlab/products/TC-FULL-KIT-WITH-MANUAL-MANAGEMENT.html

as far as bag material: like already said its pretty heavy duty, much like the bags you would see on semi trucks or city buses. only they are much smaller, and those bags go for 100's of thousands of miles normally without problems. i really feel like that if i ever have a leak in my system it wont be from one of the bags. *knock on wood*

@CTScott: for my max ride height the fronts probably put the car at the same height it was on Micro Image springs. the rear when maxed out probably has almost 2 feet of lift above the wheel haha. but like has been said it is NOT suggested to drive around for long periods of time with the bags maxed out. the ride is VERY VERY hard and could cause ruptured bags.

thanks yarisugi for chiming in also with his bagged knowledge and experience. thanks for answering the question about how the bags act as the springs.

http://www.facebook.com/events/409623035736058/ i will be at this event in the cleveland, OH area. if anyone wants to check it out in person

[yarisugi]

@CTScott - Sorry, I couldn't measure from strut bolt to tower. Why? Because the
aigbags are filled with air, blocking my tape measure. So I measure it another way.
I measured vertically from hub center to fender edge. I suppose this would be a good
reference point regardless of tire/wheel size. Front measured 16 inches and rear was
17-1/2 inches. Hope this helps. The picture is of the suspension at its highest point.

[CTScott]

^ Actually that is perfect. I am trying to figure out for Crashy 2 if I can use airbags to allow me to transition between plowing height and driving height.

[jerome]

oh wow, it's nice to see this stickied. :thumbup:

[vten]

im torn between getting this airride kit or do an upgrade to a better coilover set :P

[sasquatch]

im torn between getting this airride kit or do an upgrade to a better coilover set :P

Depending on what you're doing with the car air is awesome!! But if you want all out performance real good coilovers can't be beat (at least not yet in the yaris market: Air Lift has a track car sti running it's air ride). If you want awesome looks then air all the way

The adjustability and looks when slammed is awesome. I love dinoeggs car, driving it is real fun too.

[vten]

Yeah ... I'm liking the idea that you can slam the car all the way down when parking :)

Any update on the price Sasquatch ?

[yarisugi]

Noooooo! Don't do it!
Save your money, buy a house. :)

[sasquatch]

Yeah ... I'm liking the idea that you can slam the car all the way down when parking :)

Any update on the price Sasquatch ?

Psh I wish. Our friend is still working.

The problem is that the manufacturer that made dinoeggs doesn't really want to sell Just struts as they make some kits too. But the rest of the kit is expensive and kinda crappy for how much you pay. So our dealer is tryin to get them to sell just the struts because he would be able to supply a wider variety of management options amd make a better kit for less money and be able to give you great after sale customer service if needed.

I'm either case the struts will likely remain as "built to order" because most companies see no market in the yaris scene. He'll air lift is one of the largest companies in the game and they don't even make mk1 VW front struts for the same reason.

Hopefully we will hear soon

[J.A.R.V.I.S.]

I would be down for a group buy

[1.5]

Yeah ... I'm liking the idea that you can slam the car all the way down when parking :)

Any update on the price Sasquatch ?

Drive it like you park it.

[DINOeggxo]

i figure i would update this thread too

if you already have coils but wanted bags please contact : Dan Hagen at theluftshop AT gmail DOT com

he knows all about the yaris suspension because he did my custom kit. He can talk to you more if you need questions answered and so on. <3

[sasquatch]

Good news! There is now another bag solution available for the yaris, however slightly less conventional.

Air lift universal struts. They require some welding though. Basically you measure and order the correct universal struts for your car, they come with a variety of upper and lower mounting tabs. Then measure and weld the correct tabs on and use the proper top mount and bam you've got front struts. A little more work but it's an option that's available now and there is no wait 6-8 week wait time like Air Force or air runner. And you can buy whatever rear bags you want(inexpensive bellowed bags) and whatever management you want. Where as Air Force and air runner you're stuck with what they supply unless you want to spend even more.

http://www.airliftperformance.com/applications/universal/air-strut-universal-kits/

[Flipper_1938]

Good news! There is now another bag solution available for the yaris, however slightly less conventional.

Air lift universal struts. They require some welding though. Basically you measure and order the correct universal struts for your car, they come with a variety of upper and lower mounting tabs. Then measure and weld the correct tabs on and use the proper top mount and bam you've got front struts. A little more work but it's an option that's available now and there is no wait 6-8 week wait time like Air Force or air runner. And you can buy whatever rear bags you want(inexpensive bellowed bags) and whatever management you want. Where as Air Force and air runner you're stuck with what they supply unless you want to spend even more.

http://www.airliftperformance.com/applications/universal/air-strut-universal-kits/

If a person was willing to weld on the strut the way they tell you to in the installation instructions for these struts...a person could adapt shorter OEM type struts to the yaris and have a cheap static drop set-up.

[sasquatch]

Update if anyone still follows this:

After speaking with a friend who is a airride dealer last night. He informed me that he can no order kits for yaris! There is a 4-6week build time on them. But he can get ksport kits and airex i believe!

[1.5]

I will chime in here with more updates as well.

Going Air I have discovered that Yaris kits are rare but they DO exist. Airrunner has a complete kit, Ksport has a complete kit, and then companies like Airlift and Airrex are willing to make custom strut/bag setups. So there are quite a few options.

Another option not discussed too much is the Bag Over Coil setup. This is the route I am going as I already have Megan coilovers in place. This works almost exactly as it sounds, you leave the shock/strut in its current place and just swap the spring out for an air bag. Up front the bag sits over the damper like the spring and in the rear the bag just sits in the stock perches like the springs. This is a very affordable option, not including the price i paid for my megans, the entire airride setup has cost me just under 1100 and I am installing myself so that makes airride very affordable!

If you have Megan coilovers specifically there is a bracket made by Forjworks that is made to mount on any Megan presure tubes and matches up perfect to UAS Aero Sport Bags. For the rear any shock will work as long as its a good amount shorter than stock and you can run any universal bag but I hear the Slam Specialties SS5 bags work best. For rear brackets you can contact Randode.com.

This is the exact setup I am running with manual management, if you have further questions about my setup feel free to ask

[DINOeggxo]

I will chime in here with more updates as well.

Going Air I have discovered that Yaris kits are rare but they DO exist. Airrunner has a complete kit, Ksport has a complete kit, and then companies like Airlift and Airrex are willing to make custom strut/bag setups. So there are quite a few options.

Another option not discussed too much is the Bag Over Coil setup. This is the route I am going as I already have Megan coilovers in place. This works almost exactly as it sounds, you leave the shock/strut in its current place and just swap the spring out for an air bag. Up front the bag sits over the damper like the spring and in the rear the bag just sits in the stock perches like the springs. This is a very affordable option, not including the price i paid for my megans, the entire airride setup has cost me just under 1100 and I am installing myself so that makes airride very affordable!

If you have Megan coilovers specifically there is a bracket made by Forjworks that is made to mount on any Megan presure tubes and matches up perfect to UAS Aero Sport Bags. For the rear any shock will work as long as its a good amount shorter than stock and you can run any universal bag but I hear the Slam Specialties SS5 bags work best. For rear brackets you can contact Randode.com.

This is the exact setup I am running with manual management, if you have further questions about my setup feel free to ask


joining the darkside!

I think bag over coil was briefly discussed but i thought most people said that yaris coils didn't go super low and usually a bag over coil setup will only go as low as the coil would go and the ride may suffer a little. Along with that if you're not already on coils you have to factor in the cost of coils+ the bag setup, and at that point its almost as much as buying a purpose built bag setup

BUT it can be an affordable alternative if you are already on coils for sure. so it is totally an option that can be coupled with any management you want.

to anyone considering going the bag route don't hesitate to contact me or ask questions, the dealer i got my airforce struts from can now get any existing air kit for the yaris along with Air Lift universal front struts that just need some measuring and welding done to fit the yaris.

I've been bagged for over 2 years now and just made it through the worst north east winter in a while with NO PROBLEMS at all! so that has to be piece of mind for everyone

i want to see more bagged yaris's!!!!

[1.5]

@Dino definitely that makes me confident in the practicality of dailying mine on air!!

When Dan got back to me he was very helpful so I can vouch for your shop as well, even if you guys just want to ask questions!

Yes Im sure the Bag over wont go as crazy low as the Sleeved struts from factory, but I dont have much lower my car can go. When ive measured, the aired out bag height is the perfect amount shorter than my springs that I should be able to lay out. As long as my shocks/struts dont bottom out first, ill be good lol. I will keep this up to date as best I can though.

As always thanks for the help

[coheed]

Finally joined the air club. Bag-over on my Megan coilovers.

http://i.imgur.com/kZ4jH7L.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9vKTpYE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Go69M0Z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gAjPnJK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZKXgt4z.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0KU2SF3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/L4VN6EP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OwoVvIu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8he1JkF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cZ0rYZ5.jpg


Sorry for the picture whoring.

[yarisugi]

Nice work coheed!
Are those UAS bags and did you make those custom perches yourself?

[coheed]

Yea they're Aerosport bags, and I got the brackets here >>>http://bagriders.com/modlab/products/AERO-SPORT-THREADED-COILOVER-BRACKETS.html

[sasquatch]

Haven't been keeping up on this thread but nice to see another bagged Yaris!!


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[elmaschingon85]

My bagged yaris on Airforce suspension and Accuair E level
http://s23.postimg.org/f0wnwassn/Screenshot_2015_06_24_20_26_00_1.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/f0wnwassn/)

[elmaschingon85]

My yaris on Airforce suspension and accuair e-level

http://s18.postimg.org/6p1p4zj79/Screenshot_2015_06_24_20_26_18_1.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6p1p4zj79/)

[elmaschingon85]

My bagged yaris on Airforce suspension and accuair e-level
http://s18.postimg.org/6p1p4zj79/Screenshot_2015_06_24_20_26_18_1.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/6p1p4zj79/)

[coheed]

Anyone with air have the stainless steel braided leader lines coming off your front bags? I keep rubbing through my left air line and just ordered some to switch to, but I'm trying to get an idea on how to affix it inside the wheel well.

[Bluevitz-rs]

Anyone with air have the stainless steel braided leader lines coming off your front bags? I keep rubbing through my left air line and just ordered some to switch to, but I'm trying to get an idea on how to affix it inside the wheel well.

post a picture of your setup and where the problem is

[coheed]

Never got the front lines fixed but I figured I would post a comparison of stock ride height vs all the way down on bags.

http://i.imgur.com/3Q3FKh8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gVCJDaW.jpg

[ern-diz]

Crazy difference.

[sarap]

Love it man !

[Xwizit1]

I am in the market to do my 07 Yaris. I don't want anything too fancy, just up and down, and laid out when parked..
Any info would be great!
Thanks!!!
:thumbsup:

[DarkShadowFox]

you should go with the airlift custom that way you can set your own springrates and such.

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