extra speakers ?

[yariSB86]

i have some questions about our factory stereo:

1. can the head unit support 2 extra speakers?
2. can i just splice my extra speakers into the currently wired rear speakers?
3. will i need more power? i.e. an amp?

my friend gave me his old 6x9s that he never used. each speaker is built into its own box. id like to leave the speakers in the boxes, if at all possible. i just dont know how to install them.

[yariSB86]

some photos of the speakers and where i would like to install them.

[09sedan]

You can.

A) get an aftermarket headunit, install a 4 channel amp, and power those speakers
B) unplug the rear speakers and solder extension speaker wire and run them to the speakers.

Option a will benefit you alot more cuz it will leave you room to upgrade your front speakers with components and hook up a subwoofer if you want extra bass, but it will involve more money since you need to invest in electrical sytem (wiring, new battery, possibly alternator if you want big power) option b is alot cheaper but severely limits you in terms of upgrade options,

[G-Ammo]

Nice! I maybe wanna do this too :D Maybe ill try to put speakers in the original spots or in the trunk :)

[_S7V7N_]

Pull up Google and look up Impedance before you begin hooking up speakers.

[sqcomp]

IIRC, all the stock speakers are 4 Ohm.

If you are going to use an amplifier, look for one that has high level inputs. Those will make your life easier (or should) if keeping the stock radio. You can also look at a processor or more affordably a good quality LOC. I put an MTX REq in my wife's Tacoma years ago and it still works very well.

[_S7V7N_]

Hookin up speakers will knock down the load. Unless it works diff on a headunit. I've never seen a headunit rated at 2 ohms.

[sqcomp]

^ Agreed.

...but...but...whwatdyamean I can't hook up my HU into a 1/2 Ohm load? My friend did...and he made 237 dB from his 6x9s!

*barf*

[yariSB86]

Thanks everyone for the input. I went to BestBuy today and picked up the following:
New HeadUnit
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/JVC+-+50W+x+4+MOSFET+Apple%26%23174%3B+iPod%26%23174%3B-Ready+In-Dash+CD+Deck+with+MP3+Playback/4005163.p?skuId=4005163&id=1218447374174

Replacement front door speakers
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Pioneer+-+6-1/2%22+2-Way+Car+Speakers+with+Composite+IMPP+Woofer+Cones+ %28Pair%29/3438938.p?id=1218402142208&skuId=3438938

I'm going to uninstall the two factory rear 5.25s and install those previously mentioned 6x9s. Where and how I'm going to mount these boxes is yet to be found :confused: hopefully when I remove all the trim Ill find a nice spot to secure them. I'm going to get started with removing all the trim and getting everything setup for tomorrow. Ill do a semi DIY and post pics tomorrow when everything is said and done. Wish me well m8s :drinking:

[yariSB86]

6x9s are wired up and sound great. time for the replacement front door speakers and head unit! :thumbup:

[TOLMACH]

^ Sorry man, I like neither the speakers that you bought nor the head unit (( I suspect the OEM stuff is way better ((

[_S7V7N_]

^ Sorry man, I like neither the speakers that you bought nor the head unit (( I suspect the OEM stuff is way better ((

Whenever you criticize somebody like that how about going into detail. If not you just come off as a troll.


YarisB. Keep doing your thing man. Everybody is going to have an opinion. Hopefully with reasons.

[TOLMACH]

Whenever you criticize somebody like that how about going into detail. If not you just come off as a troll.


YarisB. Keep doing your thing man. Everybody is going to have an opinion. Hopefully with reasons.

Am I criticizing anybody?

Stock front speakers are very good in terms of sq, nice flat response throughout the whole range, awesome low end response, high sensitivity (lightweight cone with small air gap). Overall very solid design with superb cast frame.

Same with stock headunit - nice SQ, decent internal amps

.. (sorry for bringing bad news)

Just my 0.02

[_S7V7N_]

Yaris B. We usually ask for a bit of info.

Like :

Is this your first install.
Are you looking for Sound Quality or Just louder than stock.
A budget.

You also want to do some research online.
Keywords.

Ohms / Impedance / Load
RMS / Watts
Signal clipping / Distortion

You're not going to understand everything but it's basic knowledge.

So please do some research. From there we can build a foundation and help you a bit more.

So do some homework and report back on Monday !

[_S7V7N_]

Am I criticizing anybody?

Stock front speakers are very good in terms of sq, nice flat response throughout the whole range, awesome low end response, high sensitivity (lightweight cone with small air gap). Overall very solid design with superb cast frame.

Same with stock headunit - nice SQ, decent internal amps

.. (sorry for bringing bad news)

Just my 0.02

Now this opinion is somewhat more useful. You put the reason why you don't like the equipment.

[yariSB86]

i wanted to upgrade sq with a real tight budget. hence everything being on the cheaper side. its not awesome but its better than stock setup imo. everything installed just fine and sounds great. i feel that the new headunit does not supply enough power so i might invest in an amp, funds permitting. as for Tolmach, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. yours just happened to be on the negative side. doesnt bother me, im still going to do what i want to do. thanks for all the advice S7V7N.

[sqcomp]

I'll fall in line with what S7v7N is saying. Yeah, the equipment isn't the best in the world. We've got to start somewhere though.

I recall my first system. It was in a Geo Metro. A Coustic tape player, a small 25 x 4 Blaupunkt amplifier and a single MTX Blue Thunder subwoofer.

...those were the days...

Now it's travelling all over the country, going to CES, INAC and SBN and competing in sound quality competitions.

Point is, don't let anyone's opinion drag you down. Do what you need to do...and learn something. The latter is a must.

[TOLMACH]

i wanted to upgrade sq with a real tight budget. hence everything being on the cheaper side. its not awesome but its better than stock setup imo. everything installed just fine and sounds great. i feel that the new headunit does not supply enough power so i might invest in an amp, funds permitting. as for Tolmach, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. yours just happened to be on the negative side. doesnt bother me, im still going to do what i want to do. thanks for all the advice S7V7N.

Man, you need not divide people into pos or neg here.. If you ask for advice or post something here, just be prepared to get the feedback. There are other ways to upgrade the stock system on a tight budget - I would probably just add couple decent tweeters to the front woofers and install 165 mm full range drivers in the rear stock locations. Again, this is just my way of doing this based on my experience.

Anyways, I am glad that you like the final result - this is what really matters.

[TOLMACH]

2 yariSB86

I also noticed your 6*9 boxes are of sealed enclosure type which seem too small for these type of speakers; - 6*9 are usually high Qts speakers purposed for infiinite baffle (aka free air) installations - as a result your speakers do not perform up to their potential. You can remove the terminal plates at the rear wall (just leave a round hole unplugged) - this will somewhat improve performance: you'll get a a bit better low end resonse.

[yariSB86]

I like that idea. I'll see what I can do. Thanks man.

[TOLMACH]

I like that idea. I'll see what I can do. Thanks man.

let us know whether you'll see the difference

also curious -did you reuse the front doors speaker wires or installed your new ones ? how did you check which wire is pos and which one neg?

[yariSB86]

I used a wiring diagram from modifiedlife.com

[TOLMACH]

understand, thanks

[yariSB86]

So I ported my 6x9 boxes with a 2inch hole saw. Allows for better movement of air. Sounds a lot better. Also went back to bestbuy today. Got an amplifier and also upgraded my 6x9s. In the process of wiring everything up today. I should have pics up later tonight.

[razingman]

It all depends on if you can hear good quality or not. If you can, don't even buy those as they are bad and you need 200+ speakers to actually have good quality. but if you can't hear good, then 30 buck ones will sound good enough

[yariSB86]

so here is an update to what i've been doing. i wired the door 6.5s and my rear 6x9s. tuned the amp. everything sounded great. then i came across a set of 8" subs with component mids and tweeters. they are already in separate boxes. they are rather large so im in the process of figuring out where to mount everything. 600w amp powering everything. with what i've been reading, if i "combine" the left front 6.5 and left rear 6x9 into channel 1, the right front 6.5 and the rear right 6x9 into channel 2, that leaves channels 3 and 4 for my new to me 8" component setup.

-side note; has anyone put tweeters in the C pillars? or anywhere else like that?

@ razingman - my $40 pioneer 6.5s sound amazing. the pioneer 6x9s sound great too when i take them out of those shitty walmart brand boxes i happened to have gotten for free.

[BEEF]

make sure the amp can handle the load you are thinking about putting on it. if they are 4 ohm speakers, you are talking about applying either a 2 or 8 ohm load on the front channels of your amp (depending on how you are going to wire it). I think most amps that are bridgable can handle individual 2 ohm loads.

I miss the good old days when rockford fosgates were quarter ohm stable...