Just picked this up - Prius C

[tk1971]

The wife needed another car. She's been a trooper by not driving the Expedition, but instead driving her old 97 Civic. Saved us almost $2k in gas for almost a year and a half.

She drives mostly city streets in traffic for her commute, so the Prius C makes perfect sense.

We got trim level One, because we don't need all the unnecessary fluff.

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It's only 6.7" longer than my 08 Yaris LB, but there's definitely more trunk space under the hatch.

Interior room feels about the same as my Yaris, but with 4 doors, it is much more convenient to shuttle our 2 small boys in and out of school.

My wife is very happy with her new car and suggested that I'd trade my 08 Yaris in for another. But my Yaris is averaging 40-42 MPG, so I don't see the point for me to shell out $22k for a new car. One final thing, I rarely hit traffic on the freeway, so I don't think I'd ever enjoy driving an automatic transmission.

[BEEF]

any way you could take pictures of this beside the yaris? I actually considered this for a while.

[thebarber]

Good buy

[fnkngrv]

I saw one for the first time while in Austin, TX last week. I really like how they went with the styling over the "other" Prius, but I think that you are right in that you would have a tough time justifying selling your current Yaris for it except for the fact that you mentioned the 4 drs and kids.

[tk1971]

any way you could take pictures of this beside the yaris? I actually considered this for a while.

I'll see what I can do.

[edmscan]

A friend of mine has a Prius C .. and I think it is a cool car. It gets great mileage .. even better than a Yaris. But it is a more expensive car .. and it would take quite a few years to recoup the difference in price as compared to a Yaris.

[thebarber]

too bad its autotragic

[Hershey]

:thumbsup: . Looks great in white . We test drove a Black C "2" about a few months ago and enjoyed it . Consumer Reports bashes the crap out of the "C" and the new '12 Yaris :rolleyes: . Glad we dropped it . Please keep us up to gate with the gas mileage , ride , handling , etc.. Some Toyota dealers are letting the '12 generation 3 Prius "2" go for $20,999 . You made a very wise decision . Gas prices are gonna surpass $5 nationwide sooner or later . Hope you have many years of fun with it . :burnrubber:

[Hershey]

Here's a test drive of the "C" at Mpg-O-Matic that you may find of interest . http://www.mpgomatic.com/2012/07/05/2012-toyota-prius-c-review/ . It's about 27 minutes long and another that's shorter . He gets 57.8 m.p.g. combined and 52.75 on the interstate .

[Yar Is Word]

Nice car!
How's the pick up compared to the Yaris?
Do you by any chance know how much storage space there is with the rear seats down?

[edmscan]

He gets 57.8 m.p.g. combined and 52.75 on the interstate .

I know that my friend in his Prius C .. got 63 US MPG (3.7L/100 KM). So better mileage is possible. It apparently has the same engine as the Yaris. But it is tuned to perform better.

[tk1971]

Nice car!
How's the pick up compared to the Yaris?
Do you by any chance know how much storage space there is with the rear seats down?

As for acceleration, I'd say it's not a fair comparison between my manual and the CVT on the C. But it's not bad for city driving (torque-wise). I don't have the numbers for storage with the seats down, but the C is about 6 inches longer and most of that translates to the trunk area only, as the specs suggests the driver and passenger legroom to be very similar (Y: FR-40.3", RR-37.9"; C: FR-41.7", RR-35").

Here are some side by side pics. I have to admit that I was surprised that they look the same to me when I saw them side by side. The C is very slightly longer, but it's hard to capture that difference in pictures. I think the extra length is obvious when looking into the trunk space, because there's just more room behind the C's hatch.

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One more thing, the Yaris is on slightly higher ground, so it looks taller (plus the fact that they're rolling on slightly taller 185/65/15 tires.

[BEEF]

that's awesome. I like the look but not a fan of the tail lights. so about the same size as the yaris.

given the difference in ground height, you would say about the same overall height? I like the extra trunk space. an issue with the yaris but still not bad given you can slide the seat forward (I really like that feature).

[tk1971]

that's awesome. I like the look but not a fan of the tail lights. so about the same size as the yaris.

given the difference in ground height, you would say about the same overall height? I like the extra trunk space. an issue with the yaris but still not bad given you can slide the seat forward (I really like that feature).

Just according to the specs, the exterior heights are: Y-60", and C-56.9". Both have 5.5" of ground clearance. That's a 3.1" exterior height difference.

Interior heights per specs:
FR Head Room: Y-39.4"; C-38.6"
RR Head Room: Y-37.9"; C-37"

My base model Yaris has fixed rear seats (no 60/40 split and no sliding ability), so the extra trunk space of the C was appreciated last weekend on a Costco grocery run.

[Yar Is Word]

Thank you for your answers.

[tk1971]

For the price, it's not bad for the hybrid technology: $18,950 + $225 (floormats... I know, I later saw that they hid it in the sticker price) + $760 destination/handling/aka-bend-over fee = $19,935. That's $22,013.07 out the door. Please keep in mind that prior to buying my 08 Yaris 3-door used, I had quotes for a new 5-door 2011 Yaris Hatchback with manual transmission for about $18k sticker price over the phone (prior to negotiations).

The C's got built in bluetooth, power door locks / windows / keyless entry, digital speedometer, motorized side mirrors with integrated turn signal indicators, projection headlights (halogen, but still nice) and that fancy color screen showing the cartoon of the drivetrain, etc.

I find that the car in general, is very Yaris-like. This is basically a smaller Prius that doesn't look nor feel like the Prius (a plus in my book). Let's hope it will prove as reliable as the Yaris.

[Thirty-Nine]

I actually pick one of these up for review tomorrow.

[ciscobear]

Nice comparison pics.

[kimona]

Well... it's a Toyota, so it's a great car, but I'm not a fan of the body style, especially the C pillar and the tail lights.

[baseballfan416]

I just can't justify the price hike for a car that inevitably will have higher upkeep. Adding in the threat of a hybrid battery needing replacement at some point is enough to offset the 8-10mpg difference for quite some time. Take away the fun factor 5 speed, the fact that you can get a used yaris pretty cheap and the prius is essentially dead to me.

Bought my 07 sedan 5sp with under 50k for 8grand in January 2011, hands down the lowest total cost of ownership of anything I've ever been around.

[edmscan]

For all those that whine about the Prius C .. I say don't kick it till you have driven in one. It is a great car and if I had the money I would trade in my Yaris for one.

It is fantastic on gas .. (it does get probably about 20 MPG better than the Yaris - 3.7 L/100 KM.) much more so than the Yaris, and is a fun car to drive. It should be noted that I am not a fan of the 5 speed in the Yaris .... I really am sick of shifting (in light that 90% of my driving is in the city). I would gladly have an auto transmission.

[brg88tx]

i do like the mpg, but those tail lights are the ugliest ive ever seen. if i got one i would have to get a silver one so the big ugly silver side of the tail light would somewhat blend in with the paint.

[rningonfumes]

I like it. Barring a better Econo-hybrid from another manufacturer, I would pick one up when the current Yaris is elderly and I am in need of another commuter.

I'm also in that boat with those against the CVT...because there is so much more I can do with a manual....

[bronsin]

So the Prius was $4000 more than a Yaris. (and of course, you could have bought a cheaper model of Yaris just like you bought a cheaper model of Prius...)

If the Prius gets 50 mpg and the Yaris gets 35 mpg over 100,000 miles @ $3.50 a gallon you will save $2450.

Of course gas could go UP. You could drive it more than 100,000 miles.

The batteries dont give trouble. The Prius has proven to be very reliable.

[Hershey]

Consumer Reports write up / video of owners 2004 Prius with 200,00+ miles with same battery and very little cost to maintain . http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2011/05/video-second-generation-toyota-prius-still-reliable-efficient-after-200000-miles.html . :bow:

[Hershey]

Here's a 2002 Prius with 200,000+ miles and same battery that's tested by C.R.. http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/04/autos/toyota_prius_battery_life/index.htm . Hope these give TK solace for the years ahead .

[Thirty-Nine]

I've been driving a Prius c for the last two days, and I must say, so far I'm impressed. Much more so than I was with the Prius v. The c is more fun to drive, much more nimble, and I really dig the interior. Yes, it's on low rolling resistance tires and the suspension is soft, but it's pretty good so far. Would I pay $23K for one? Not sure. Over about 30 miles I'm averaging about 44 MPG, which is all city driving.

My wife got 39 MPG out of our modded Yaris over the last tank of gas, however. That was about 65% highway, if I had to estimate.

- Andy

[bronsin]

The mileage for the Prius is HIGHER in city driving because of the battery. 44 mpg city is not a good result.

[nookandcrannycar]

I've been driving a Prius c for the last two days, and I must say, so far I'm impressed. Much more so than I was with the Prius v. The c is more fun to drive, much more nimble, and I really dig the interior. Yes, it's on low rolling resistance tires and the suspension is soft, but it's pretty good so far. Would I pay $23K for one? Not sure. Over about 30 miles I'm averaging about 44 MPG, which is all city driving.

My wife got 39 MPG out of our modded Yaris over the last tank of gas, however. That was about 65% highway, if I had to estimate.

- Andy

Which Prius c have you been driving? The One, the Two, the Three, or the Four? (I'm assuming the Four, but when you mentioned price you didn't mention if that was base or out the door)

[nookandcrannycar]

The mileage for the Prius is HIGHER in city driving because of the battery. 44 mpg city is not a good result.

You're right, it isn't. As Why? wrote a while back, most Americans aren't use to the different style of driving that garners the best results behind the wheel of a Hybrid of the type Toyota manufactures. The You Tube video that Hershey has posted a link to several times -- from MPG-o-matic featuring the Prius c -- touches on the driving style needed to get the results he obtained. Others have done even better MPG wise than the MPG-o-matic guy (probably with less traffic and more regenerative braking).

[tk1971]

So the Prius was $4000 more than a Yaris. (and of course, you could have bought a cheaper model of Yaris just like you bought a cheaper model of Prius...)

If the Prius gets 50 mpg and the Yaris gets 35 mpg over 100,000 miles @ $3.50 a gallon you will save $2450.

Of course gas could go UP. You could drive it more than 100,000 miles.

The batteries dont give trouble. The Prius has proven to be very reliable.

The Yaris quote back in early 2011 was for a 5spd 5-door hatch (apparently very difficult, if not impossible to find - so I believe they just made up a high number to discourage me from looking for that exact configuration). After getting off the phone with them (the only dealer to call me back - I had reached out to several for this specific configuration), I went to my local CarMax and got a used 08 Base Yaris 3-door / 5-spd for about $12.8k out-the-door with 17k miles. Not a great deal by any means, but better than new for sure. I'm still enjoying my Yaris and have already hit "gravy" over whatever cash (<$3k) I shelled out for it minus my trade in. When it's all said and done, my Yaris is the best <$3k car I've ever owned. Filled up today and calculated 41.5mpg even with occasional A/C use.

BTW, my wife is really enjoying her Prius C. She can't drive stick, so the CVT works for her. I don't get what all the complaints are about on this car. The premise is to put a proven but slightly scaled down Prius drive-train into a less Prius-looking Econo-box body in order to keep the MSRP of the base model a hair under $19k. This is what we got for that MSRP that I don't see in other "Base" cars: Bluetooth/CD/MP3/USB/Aux input, projection halogen headlights, LED tail lights, tilt/telescopic steering wheel, digital instrumentation (speedo, fuel, etc), steering wheel mounted controls for the radio/bluetooth, automatic climate control, keyless entry, power door/windows, side mirrors with integrated signal indicators, stability/traction control, Vehicle Proximity Notification System (VPNS), hill assist, ABS, and the 3.5" TFT multi-information display.

I believe the critics of this car are short sighted and don't see what's really going on. Toyota set the bar very high for their latest high-tech econo-box. In a couple of years, when they really start churning out the C, it'll be a better deal than it is now (currently MSRP only). I believe by then, the econo-box expectation will change and it'll be everyone else who will have to "catch up".

[edmscan]

I believe the critics of this car are short sighted and don't see what's really going on.

One of my friends has a Prius C .. and maybe tomorrow I can drive in it. I really like the car and the gas mileage is amazing. I know that he would never let me drive it .. but driving in it is fun. It is a nice car .. :thumbsup:

[nookandcrannycar]

The Yaris quote back in early 2011 was for a 5spd 5-door hatch (apparently very difficult, if not impossible to find - so I believe they just made up a high number to discourage me from looking for that exact configuration). After getting off the phone with them (the only dealer to call me back - I had reached out to several for this specific configuration), I went to my local CarMax and got a used 08 Base Yaris 3-door / 5-spd for about $12.8k out-the-door with 17k miles. Not a great deal by any means, but better than new for sure. I'm still enjoying my Yaris and have already hit "gravy" over whatever cash (<$3k) I shelled out for it minus my trade in. When it's all said and done, my Yaris is the best <$3k car I've ever owned. Filled up today and calculated 41.5mpg even with occasional A/C use.

BTW, my wife is really enjoying her Prius C. She can't drive stick, so the CVT works for her. I don't get what all the complaints are about on this car. The premise is to put a proven but slightly scaled down Prius drive-train into a less Prius-looking Econo-box body in order to keep the MSRP of the base model a hair under $19k. This is what we got for that MSRP that I don't see in other "Base" cars: Bluetooth/CD/MP3/USB/Aux input, projection halogen headlights, LED tail lights, tilt/telescopic steering wheel, digital instrumentation (speedo, fuel, etc), steering wheel mounted controls for the radio/bluetooth, automatic climate control, keyless entry, power door/windows, side mirrors with integrated signal indicators, stability/traction control, Vehicle Proximity Notification System (VPNS), hill assist, ABS, and the 3.5" TFT multi-information display.

I believe the critics of this car are short sighted and don't see what's really going on. Toyota set the bar very high for their latest high-tech econo-box. In a couple of years, when they really start churning out the C, it'll be a better deal than it is now (currently MSRP only). I believe by then, the econo-box expectation will change and it'll be everyone else who will have to "catch up".

:clap: Thank you for including the base Prius c features in your post. This is a much more visually compact way to view the information than the way it is organized on the Toyota website.

[Hershey]

Agree with TK . Do get a good bang for the buck with a "C" 1 . Fun to drive as well ( test drove a 2 ) . Thinking of a "C" or the hybrid FIT if it ever arrives here . Hold off until sometime next year .

[bronsin]

The Yaris quote back in early 2011 was for a 5spd 5-door hatch (apparently very difficult, if not impossible to find - so I believe they just made up a high number to discourage me from looking for that exact configuration). After getting off the phone with them (the only dealer to call me back - I had reached out to several for this specific configuration), I went to my local CarMax and got a used 08 Base Yaris 3-door / 5-spd for about $12.8k out-the-door with 17k miles. Not a great deal by any means, but better than new for sure. I'm still enjoying my Yaris and have already hit "gravy" over whatever cash (<$3k) I shelled out for it minus my trade in. When it's all said and done, my Yaris is the best <$3k car I've ever owned. Filled up today and calculated 41.5mpg even with occasional A/C use.

BTW, my wife is really enjoying her Prius C. She can't drive stick, so the CVT works for her. I don't get what all the complaints are about on this car. The premise is to put a proven but slightly scaled down Prius drive-train into a less Prius-looking Econo-box body in order to keep the MSRP of the base model a hair under $19k. This is what we got for that MSRP that I don't see in other "Base" cars: Bluetooth/CD/MP3/USB/Aux input, projection halogen headlights, LED tail lights, tilt/telescopic steering wheel, digital instrumentation (speedo, fuel, etc), steering wheel mounted controls for the radio/bluetooth, automatic climate control, keyless entry, power door/windows, side mirrors with integrated signal indicators, stability/traction control, Vehicle Proximity Notification System (VPNS), hill assist, ABS, and the 3.5" TFT multi-information display.

I believe the critics of this car are short sighted and don't see what's really going on. Toyota set the bar very high for their latest high-tech econo-box. In a couple of years, when they really start churning out the C, it'll be a better deal than it is now (currently MSRP only). I believe by then, the econo-box expectation will change and it'll be everyone else who will have to "catch up".

Im not a critic. It is what it is. With me its all about bottom line. Right now the Prius C is the loser when it comes to a Yaris in that department. :thumbdown:

Its not in my interest for cars like the Prius to do well. I dont want Toyota to make cars I dont want to buy. I want Prius's to sit on the dealers lot and rust. I want Toyota to lose BILLIONS of dollars making the PRius. So I have to tell my side of it. I need as many people who think like me as possible. :headbang:

I must crush the Prius anyway I can. :thumbsup:

I want a small car like maybe the iQ that weighs less than 1800 pounds and has a 1 liter or less GASOLINE engine, costs less than $15000 and gets 50 MPG. I could live without airbags, crush zones, ABS, traction control, and a lot of other things I cant think of. I bet without those things like car would be <$12000.

Its nothing personal. :barf:

If gas goes over $5 you will do very well with the Prius. You will have made a wise choice. We need to drive cars that get better than 50mpg on a large scale and bring the oil companies and the hostile foriegn countries that hate us to their knees. The Prius does that.

Unfortunately it just give the money we would give to our enemies to Toyota.:eek:

[auxmike]

I've seen one before and I think it's real sharp looking in real life. It does'nt seem to photograph well. I'd get a metallic color and alloy wheels on mine though. Seems it comes loaded with goodies on the base model too. Yeah, it may take years to break even on the buy, BUT what a thrill it must be to pass the gas station while flipping the bird! Good luck with it, I think it's cool... Interior pics?

[tooter]

Well... it's a Toyota, so it's a great car, but I'm not a fan of the body style, especially the C pillar and the tail lights.

Wow...:eek: thanks for making my ugly 2012 Yaris tail lights look good. :thumbsup:

[nookandcrannycar]

Im not a critic. It is what it is. With me its all about bottom line. Right now the Prius C is the loser when it comes to a Yaris in that department. :thumbdown:

Its not in my interest for cars like the Prius to do well. I dont want Toyota to make cars I dont want to buy. I want Prius's to sit on the dealers lot and rust. I want Toyota to lose BILLIONS of dollars making the PRius. So I have to tell my side of it. I need as many people who think like me as possible. :headbang:

I must crush the Prius anyway I can. :thumbsup:

I want a small car like maybe the iQ that weighs less than 1800 pounds and has a 1 liter or less GASOLINE engine, costs less than $15000 and gets 50 MPG. I could live without airbags, crush zones, ABS, traction control, and a lot of other things I cant think of. I bet without those things like car would be <$12000.

Its nothing personal. :barf:

If gas goes over $5 you will do very well with the Prius. You will have made a wise choice. We need to drive cars that get better than 50mpg on a large scale and bring the oil companies and the hostile foriegn countries that hate us to their knees. The Prius does that.

Unfortunately it just give the money we would give to our enemies to Toyota.:eek:

I agree with you re the Prius v, the 3rd Generation Prius ('standard Prius'), and the Prius Plug in. All three of those models are too big and too expensive. ....and wishing they would rot on the lots (as opposed to some sort of government intervention...I'm against the verbal strong arm tactics employed by the mayors of Chicago, San Francisco, Boston, and Philadelphia and intend to not generate any sales tax revenue for those cities while those mayors are still in office) is the right attitude. I'm a fiscally conservative, socially liberal, straight agnostic libertarian. I think the Chick-Fil-A approach to business is wrong, but at least they are honest about their beliefs and I believe they have a right to exist in any market and fall flat on their face, or not....I just wish customers would demand they stop their religiosity and stop buying ANY of their products if they don't stop the religiosity, AS I WISH CUSTOMERS would stop buying THOSE 3 PRIUS models (just as you do) so they would rot on the lots and Toyota would stop making THOSE 3 MODELS (certainly not ALL models....I wouldn't mind if Chick-Fil-A went out of business but I don't want Toyota to go out of business).

But is the c really a Prius? I think it is only in the U.S. (or maybe just North America) that it is called a Prius.......and one KNOWS that this is predominantly to cater to affluent or aspiring left wing people who glom onto the words Prius, Apple, etc. In Europe it is called the Yaris Hybrid and in Japan it is called the Aqua..........:biggrin:.OOPS:biggrin: -- decided to do more research while in the middle of writing this. I was previously under the impression that the Priuc C, the (Japan) Aqua, and the (Europe) Yaris Hybrid were all the same world platform, with slight variations.

However, I just found an article that seems to contradict this....see the elp.com article: "PRODUCT EYE: Toyota forsakes Prius C for Yaris hybrid". This seems to say that the Prius C and the Aqua are the same, but that the Yaris Hybrid is smaller. I found this article quite interesting. It goes into, I think, interesting detail about the flexibility of the Yaris plant in France --- 62 different variants with 80 percent of the parts common to all models -- and also the extra training staff members got specific to assembly of the Yaris Hybrid.

I was previously going to conclude that you're right about the three larger Prius models, but wrong about the Prius c. HOWEVER, after reading this article and knowing we PROBABLY COULD HAVE HAD THE YARIS HYBRID IN THE U.S....I reluctantly state that I MIGHT EVENTUALLY agree with you about the C. It might seem silly to state this (because I'll be INCLUDING an EXCLUDED factor), but when it comes time to weigh a new Yaris against a new Prius C I'll put 'but we could have had the smaller Yaris Hybrid' as a con against the Prius C.

I agree with your 'live without it to make it cheaper' mantra. My car does not have ABS, nor traction control, and I could live without the airbags and probably some of the other things you stated you couldn't think of. I sat in a iQ at an auto show and it was too small for my taste. I wouldn't mind though if a smaller engine with less power was a U.S. spec choice for the Yaris, as long as it got better gas mileage than the current U.S. spec offering.

[auxmike]

Holy rant, Batman!
How the hell did chick fil a get pulled into this discussion? I just saw a white Prius C at 711 and it does look like a '12 Yaris four door. NICE! The tail lights don't bother me a bit....

[Hershey]

Agree . Tail lights not all that bad . That seems to be the norm for some new vehicles . Find the "C" to be good lookin' as well .

[tk1971]

Im not a critic. It is what it is. With me its all about bottom line. Right now the Prius C is the loser when it comes to a Yaris in that department. :thumbdown:

Its not in my interest for cars like the Prius to do well. I dont want Toyota to make cars I dont want to buy. I want Prius's to sit on the dealers lot and rust. I want Toyota to lose BILLIONS of dollars making the PRius. So I have to tell my side of it. I need as many people who think like me as possible. :headbang:

I must crush the Prius anyway I can. :thumbsup:

I want a small car like maybe the iQ that weighs less than 1800 pounds and has a 1 liter or less GASOLINE engine, costs less than $15000 and gets 50 MPG. I could live without airbags, crush zones, ABS, traction control, and a lot of other things I cant think of. I bet without those things like car would be <$12000.

Its nothing personal. :barf:

If gas goes over $5 you will do very well with the Prius. You will have made a wise choice. We need to drive cars that get better than 50mpg on a large scale and bring the oil companies and the hostile foriegn countries that hate us to their knees. The Prius does that.

Unfortunately it just give the money we would give to our enemies to Toyota.:eek:

Wow... tell us how you really feel.

Personally, I think the C is more like a Yaris than a Prius (as stated by others), so it's exempt from all the Prius hate.

My first car was an 1981 Datsun 210 SL that weighed about 2,000 lbs, had 87 HP, and got 47 MPG in the real world. I'd get another one in an instant if available new, but, as you know, our Government will never roll back their safety requirements. I'm afraid the auto industry will just keep tacking on safety features (more weight, and more things to fail) and increasing the prices of these basic cars.

Supply and demand at work: Look at the 2010 Civic. Honda tried to pull a fast one (cheapen the car and kept the price point about the same) and customers ran from it. 2012 (only 2 years later) an all new design comes out more true to customers expectations.

Unfortunately, there is apparently a huge demand for the Prius (regular one), which means there are a lot of young (or young at heart) people riding the popularity contest wave to drive a car that makes "car" people dead inside.

[tooter]

Just a side comment about your avatar, tk...

Did you ever think that a window crank would ever become something to actually be proud of? :laugh:

I feel exactly the same way about my cranks and regard myself as being lucky to have gotten them before they disappear altogether...

...as they're a symbol of simple practical reliable mechanical functionality. :thumbsup:

[edmscan]

I don't care what anyone says (I am not a car guy .. so I can just plead ignorance) .... if I had the money I would buy a Prius C. It is a great car .. and the mileage is from what I have seen, better than the Yaris. So .. really I think that you cannot go wrong.

However .. I don't like the other prius' ... they are just funny looking and much bigger than I would like.

I do 90% of my driving in the city .. and it is here where the Prius C shines. A friend of mine has one .. and in the city, it really shines. :thumbup:

[goliath1812]

too bad it did doesn't have a solar panel roof, or small wind turbines in the grill, or something similar to try to help make the battery last longer and get better mpgs....

[nookandcrannycar]

Just a side comment about your avatar, tk...

Did you ever think that a window crank would ever become something to actually be proud of? :laugh:

I feel exactly the same way about my cranks and regard myself as being lucky to have gotten them before they disappear altogether...

...as they're a symbol of simple practical reliable mechanical functionality. :thumbsup:

...."disappear"...:cry::cry:.....then...Aha! Light bulb! Will all of the needed part numbers for 2012 Model Year hand crank operation for the driver side door on a 3-Door Liftback be open for purchase by a single consumer?...if so...Will future year (3rd generation but AFTER hand crank windows have disappeared) driver side door interior/'innards' accept all of the 'needed for hand crank operation' part numbers?....if not...Could the inside of the door be modified to make this a reality without huge expense? Is all of this unknowable until after the hand crank windows disappear? Are these CTScott only questions?

[nookandcrannycar]

Im not a critic. It is what it is. With me its all about bottom line. Right now the Prius C is the loser when it comes to a Yaris in that department. :thumbdown:

Its not in my interest for cars like the Prius to do well. I dont want Toyota to make cars I dont want to buy. I want Prius's to sit on the dealers lot and rust. I want Toyota to lose BILLIONS of dollars making the PRius. So I have to tell my side of it. I need as many people who think like me as possible. :headbang:

I must crush the Prius anyway I can. :thumbsup:

I want a small car like maybe the iQ that weighs less than 1800 pounds and has a 1 liter or less GASOLINE engine, costs less than $15000 and gets 50 MPG. I could live without airbags, crush zones, ABS, traction control, and a lot of other things I cant think of. I bet without those things like car would be <$12000.

Its nothing personal. :barf:

If gas goes over $5 you will do very well with the Prius. You will have made a wise choice. We need to drive cars that get better than 50mpg on a large scale and bring the oil companies and the hostile foriegn countries that hate us to their knees. The Prius does that.

Unfortunately it just give the money we would give to our enemies to Toyota.:eek:

I was just reading my reply to this post (from yesterday) and it dawned on me -- Bronsin writes "With me it's all about the bottom line" -- Then why did he get an automatic?

[nookandcrannycar]

I don't care what anyone says (I am not a car guy .. so I can just plead ignorance) .... if I had the money I would buy a Prius C. It is a great car .. and the mileage is from what I have seen, better than the Yaris. So .. really I think that you cannot go wrong.

However .. I don't like the other prius' ... they are just funny looking and much bigger than I would like.

I do 90% of my driving in the city .. and it is here where the Prius C shines. A friend of mine has one .. and in the city, it really shines. :thumbup:

Re your middle paragraph.....my sentiments exactly.:clap::clap:

[tooter]

I was just reading my reply to this post (from yesterday) and it dawned on me -- Bronsin writes "With me it's all about the bottom line" -- Then why did he get an automatic?

Sometimes it's all that's available...

There were only three in the whole state of California when I bought mine. In the evening, the location of one was disclosed to me and I drove 50 miles to be there first thing the next morning when they opened with the cash in hand to immediately buy it on the spot. It not only had hand crank windows, but used a real key to open the doors and the hatch. :smile:

[nookandcrannycar]

Sometimes it's all that's available...

There were only three in the whole state of California when I bought mine. In the evening, the location of one was disclosed to me and I drove 50 miles to be there first thing the next morning when they opened with the cash in hand to immediately buy it on the spot. It not only had hand crank windows, but used a real key to open the doors and the hatch. :smile:

I know. I decided my previous car only had about 500 more safe miles left (steering rack) when I was on a trip and headed to the Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield. MA. I plopped myself down in Chicopee, MA and started a search for my Yaris . I searched every dealer in the entire Northeast region of the U.S. and only found five 5 speed manual liftbacks. I ranked them in order of desirability. #1 was in Cambridge, MA near the Harvard campus. I paid a visit to the dealership and they had lied....the car was still out at sea on a boat! My #2 choice was in Rhode Island and I immediately drove there and bought my Yaris.

If a person only has one vehicle, then waiting or not is more likely a front burner issue. Bronsin has a Corvette and a motorcycle. I've ridden in a car during an East Coast winter, but I've never tried to drive in one. Perhaps he wanted an automatic because it is safer to drive an automatic during an East Coast winter? Bronsin?

[nookandcrannycar]

...."disappear"...:cry::cry:.....then...Aha! Light bulb! Will all of the needed part numbers for 2012 Model Year hand crank operation for the driver side door on a 3-Door Liftback be open for purchase by a single consumer?...if so...Will future year (3rd generation but AFTER hand crank windows have disappeared) driver side door interior/'innards' accept all of the 'needed for hand crank operation' part numbers?....if not...Could the inside of the door be modified to make this a reality without huge expense? Is all of this unknowable until after the hand crank windows disappear? Are these CTScott only questions?

Tooter.......do you know the answer to any of these questions or do you think they are likely CTScott only questions?

[bronsin]

I was just reading my reply to this post (from yesterday) and it dawned on me -- Bronsin writes "With me it's all about the bottom line" -- Then why did he get an automatic?


I have something called "polyneuropathy" in my feet. Pushing in a clutch made my foot hurt so much I could harly walk at times.

So I sold my ECHO and bought a Yaris with AT.

Im a much better man for it.:headbang:

[nookandcrannycar]

I have something called "polyneuropathy" in my feet. Pushing in a clutch made my foot hurt so much I could harly walk at times.

So I sold my ECHO and bought a Yaris with AT.

Im a much better man for it.:headbang:

I hear ya. I'm sitting with one leg propped up on a chair right now. In California I put a tarp on my driveway to get it through the rainy season (before repairing) and I attempted to walk around the edge of it and slipped. Essentially I sat on my corkscrewing leg as I was falling. It is essentially the same injury that San Francisco 49ers running back Garrison Hearst had on the field that put him out for so long. It didn't heal right, and later that year I had to go back in the hospital. After 4 days of fighting the infection the doctors said that I had just turned the corner so they could tell me that if I hadn't I would have either lost my leg or died. The hospital was a high rise and one of the floors served as a convalescent hospital. The next day they put me in there for 2 weeks. After I got out of the hospital my leg healed, but blood would pool in my feet. The vascular surgeon told me I'd have to wear compression socks for the rest of my life. I lost weight and the pooling stopped and I no longer needed the socks. The infection I had was called Cellulitis, and occasionally I'll have a reoccurrence. Antibiotics take care of it, and occasionally I'll have to prop my leg or legs up for a bit....until June of this year. The antibiotic didn't take care of it and I had to go into the hospital for 3 days for an IV drip antibiotic. I get these reoccurrences in both legs, even though all the pieces of metal for my ankle are only in one leg. The infection that put me in the hospital in June was in the leg without metal in it. The last time (before this June) that I had Cellulitis was in 2009 and for the first time I got it twice in one year and 2 months apart. I'm hoping this isn't happening again right now. The doctors told me early on that my circulation will never be 100 percent in either foot and even when I'm at my best weight and exercising I can still tell that my circulation will never be 100 percent. Other than when I get Cellulitis, I don't have any pain and I have normal sensitivity and function. I hope it stays that way...and I hope I'm not having a reoccurrence right now. I may go to the doctor later today.

[tk1971]

Just a side comment about your avatar, tk...

Did you ever think that a window crank would ever become something to actually be proud of? :laugh:

I feel exactly the same way about my cranks and regard myself as being lucky to have gotten them before they disappear altogether...

...as they're a symbol of simple practical reliable mechanical functionality. :thumbsup:

The cranks in my 210 were original to the car, dirty and sun faded, but they were perfectly functional when I donated that car to the Salvation Army at 395,000 miles.

Yep, I'm proud to own a modern car with window cranks. I also want my kids to remember their dad had a car with window cranks.

[nookandcrannycar]

The cranks in my 210 were original to the car, dirty and sun faded, but they were perfectly functional when I donated that car to the Salvation Army at 395,000 miles.

Yep, I'm proud to own a modern car with window cranks. I also want my kids to remember their dad had a car with window cranks.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[tooter]

Tooter.......do you know the answer to any of these questions or do you think they are likely CTScott only questions?

Sorry, man... I'm a dummy on the parts issue... and so far haven't bought any OEM stuff.

[nookandcrannycar]

Sorry, man... I'm a dummy on the parts issue... and so far haven't bought any OEM stuff.

Thanks for the reply.:thumbsup: Ideally such questions wouldn't be necessary, but I have a feeling the rumblings you've heard re this issue are likely to come to pass.

[CTScott]

...."disappear"...:cry::cry:.....then...Aha! Light bulb! Will all of the needed part numbers for 2012 Model Year hand crank operation for the driver side door on a 3-Door Liftback be open for purchase by a single consumer?...if so...Will future year (3rd generation but AFTER hand crank windows have disappeared) driver side door interior/'innards' accept all of the 'needed for hand crank operation' part numbers?....if not...Could the inside of the door be modified to make this a reality without huge expense? Is all of this unknowable until after the hand crank windows disappear? Are these CTScott only questions?

Embrace the future (err, present or perhaps past). Power windows have been around since the 1940 Packard and are a wonderful addition to the automobile. I have had Japanese vehicles with over 140,000 miles on them with all of the original power window hardware still working perfectly. My new Crashy #2 has manual windows and I will soon be switching them to power.

To actually answer your question - Going in the opposite direction from power to crank means changing the window regulator assembly. If the vehicle is not offered with a manual one it would mean adapting a manual one from a different or older vehicle to work.

[nookandcrannycar]

Embrace the future (err, present or perhaps past). Power windows have been around since the 1940 Packard and are a wonderful addition to the automobile. I have had Japanese vehicles with over 140,000 miles on them with all of the original power window hardware still working perfectly. My new Crashy #2 has manual windows and I will soon be switching them to power.

To actually answer your question - Going in the opposite direction from power to crank means changing the window regulator assembly. If the vehicle is not offered with a manual one it would mean adapting a manual one from a different or older vehicle to work.

Thanks:thumbsup:. It sounds like more of a PITA than I anticipated. I'll probably just have to hope that down the road, when I'm ready, that the rumblings that Tooter has heard about manual crank windows going away after this year are wrong. OTOH, if I end up choosing the C instead of the Yaris, it will end up being a moot point......Aha! I just had another thought/question --a crazy one that probably would cost too much to make it worth it -- but i'll ask because I think you would best know the answer. If I wanted the (smaller than the C) Yaris Hybrid would it be possible to economically make it U.S. Spec and bring it over from Europe?

[CTScott]

Thanks:thumbsup:. It sounds like more of a PITA than I anticipated. I'll probably just have to hope that down the road, when I'm ready, that the rumblings that Tooter has heard about manual crank windows going away after this year are wrong. OTOH, if I end up choosing the C instead of the Yaris, it will end up being a moot point......Aha! I just had another thought/question --a crazy one that probably would cost too much to make it worth it -- but i'll ask because I think you would best know the answer. If I wanted the (smaller than the C) Yaris Hybrid would it be possible to economically make it U.S. Spec and bring it over from Europe?

The Yaris Hybrid and Prius C are the same size. Importing new or relatively new cars from other countries is a bit of a nightmare (as I found out when I considered purchasing a 2006 Yaris from Canada).

[nookandcrannycar]

The Yaris Hybrid and Prius C are the same size. Importing new or relatively new cars from other countries is a bit of a nightmare (as I found out when I considered purchasing a 2006 Yaris from Canada).

Thanks:thumbsup:. If YOU think it is a bit of a nightmare, then most of the rest of us would likely think it would be a full fledged nightmare (so i'll forgo the idea)....and I can imagine that a car coming from Europe would present more of a challenge than a car coming from Canada. I thought the Prius C and the Yaris Hybrid were exactly the same until August 5th 2012 when I found the article on elp.com that I refer to in post #38 on this thread. I just reread that article and it doesn't actually state that the Yaris Hybrid is smaller :redface:. Just for the heck of it, I decided to see if the Yaris Hybrid would have an e-brochure on one of the sites for one of the countries in the EU. I first searched the German site (and :drool: over all of the choices they have compared to what we get). I then searched the site for Malta and it automatically redirected to the UK site, as I thought it might. I found an e-brochure that included the Yaris Hybrid on this site. The length is 3905 millimeters (152.49 inches) and the wheelbase is 2510 millimeters (97.89 inches). I imagine that the 4.81 inch difference in length (157.3 inch Prius C minus 152.49 inch Yaris Hybrid) is largely because of different bumper requirements......But why is there a 2.51 inch difference in wheelbase (100.4 inches for the Prius C minus 97.89 inches for the Yaris Hybrid) between the two?